Rules Questions - Totally n00b Question krlsrrll - Jun 11, 2012 - 05:49 PM Post subject: Totally n00b Question
Hi all
Will admit from the start I am a complete and utter new player. me and 2 mates got together tonight with the 2nd edition boxed set, 3rd edition living rules and figured it out as we went along. After 2.5 hours we had drank several beers, had a laugh and 1 player nearly got a touchdown so we called it and agreed it was great fun!!!
Anyway, to my totally noob question .... when entering a characters death zone as part of your normal move do you roll anything? We know as you move through the zone you make a dodge roll but its the initial entry into the zone we are not sure about.
That said we are going to have another orc v human basic set game then start incorporating extra rules as we see fit.
Thanks in advance.
regardsXtreme - Jun 11, 2012 - 06:26 PM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Tackle Zone, and no. You only have to roll to leave.krlsrrll - Jun 12, 2012 - 12:50 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Thanks, and showing my n00b'ness even more by not knowing the zone name didn't help krlsrrll - Jun 12, 2012 - 02:13 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Sorry, another n00b question but thought would keep on same thread: We have an old boxed set with V3 of the rules and death zone as tbh thats what we prefer to play, what's the difference between those rules and the 'living rulebook 3' that GW have online? Even just a quick read there was some bits in red writing so are they new/amended rules? Can you use the death zone set with the LRB3?zootsuitjeff - Jun 12, 2012 - 02:53 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
I'd advise you to have a look and at least try out the Competition Rules Pack, which is the most recent ruleset and equivalent to LRB6. It's what the vast majority of tournaments use these days:
IMHO is quite a clean well balanced set of rules, with perhaps a couple of exceptions. But of course, if you are enjoying a different ruleset, you can use that as well. It's all about having fun.krlsrrll - Jun 12, 2012 - 04:09 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Thanks for that, can the dead zone supplement be used with the competition rules easily?sann0638 - Jun 12, 2012 - 04:46 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
The CRP replaces all previous rules, basically, including Death Zone. The basic mechanics (block dice etc) are the same, but lots of skills work slightly differently. If you start with CRP then you won't need to change if you play online, play other people etc. Where are you based - there might be some local players to help you out?krlsrrll - Jun 12, 2012 - 05:00 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
We are all based in SE England by Gatwick. Did see mention about something in Tunbridge Wells but only I have transport and I am a stay-at-home dad so likely to just be small games between friends round ours.
In regards to the computer games, how closely do the xbox and pc legendary versions come to the main rules? Thinking of getting it to help practice at home and learn some of the rules. Someone has bought the xbox version but that was just the basic one saw was leaning towards the legendary version on PC.
Oh, can I just say it is great to get quick and helpful responses for what is actually a very old game. Does bode well for the long-term appeal of the game for us Grumbledook - Jun 12, 2012 - 05:16 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
xbox version is rubbish, avoid it
legendary edition is pretty close, though the new chaos edition will (should) be out in a few months timesann0638 - Jun 12, 2012 - 09:33 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Woo for stay at home dads! My boys are playing a simplified version right now Darkson - Jun 12, 2012 - 08:50 PM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
All the stuff that was added in Death Zone (Stars, Big Guys etc.) is already covered in the Competition rules, except for the handicap cards, which were frankly unbalanced, and have been replaced by Inducements.
On the PC front, if you want to get into online play, yes you're probably better off waiting for Chaos Edition later this year, but if you only want to play Single player (or hotseat mode with friends) hunt around for Legendary Edition (the current one) - you might be able to pick it for about a £5, and it's fine for that.krlsrrll - Jun 13, 2012 - 01:50 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
That is really great thanks, as we have stuck to the basic rules so far and not even looked at Death Zone we have all printed off the competition rules and going through that very slowly. Even introducing a non-roleplaying, non-tabletop gaming mate to BB tomorrow night
I did take a punt and get the legendary edition as I tend to have a game or 2 ongoing through the day (little un is 2 so needs quite a bit of supervision) and was very proud when I got my 1st touchdown on easy
Yet another question though: Been clarified that you don't roll dodge when entering a tackle zone but do you roll when you move through a players tackle zone or just when you leave it? I 'suspect' its only when you leave but yet again just wanted to clarify.Khail - Jun 13, 2012 - 02:37 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
You roll when moving through a player's tackle zone. It's technically when you leave a square in a player's tackle zone to move to any other square, in that player's tackle zone or not.bronko81 - Jun 13, 2012 - 02:37 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Concerning the Tackle Zones: you have to roll for every square "within". Just see it that way: take every square of movement on its own, and when you leave a square that's in a tackle zone, you will have to roll. Mind the -1 modifier for every tackle zone on the target square.
So let's make an example of "passing by" an enemy player through 3 squares of his tackle zone: X is your player, E is the enemy player, _ is an empty square and Os are the enemy's Tackle Zone.
Code:
__OOO_
__OEO_
X_OOO_
1st square is empty and no TZ, so no roll at all.
2nd move from an empty square into his TZ - no roll required.
Code:
__OOO_
__OEO_
__XOO_
Next move from TZ into next square of TZ - you have to roll and the -1 modifier for a TZ on your player applies (as well as the general +1 modifier for dodging, so it's +/-0)
Code:
__OOO_
__OEO_
__OXO_
Same applies for next move:
Code:
__OOO_
__OEO_
__OOX_
Last move: you begin this within TZ, but end in an empty square - you have to roll, but only the general +1 applies.
Code:
__OOO_
__OEO_
__OOOX
krlsrrll - Jun 18, 2012 - 06:46 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Sorry, yet another basic question ... we don't have the block dice yet so are using a D6. When rolling a 6 though we reroll but for accuracy which of the 5 effects appears twice so we can assign that to a 6?
Am hoping to receive my dice for registering soon but not sure what the dispatch and delivery times are.krlsrrll - Jun 18, 2012 - 07:32 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
P.S. Just found IMPACT DICE so are they the same?bronko81 - Jun 18, 2012 - 10:18 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
PUSH appears 2 times. (Which affects the probabilty of rolling this, so you should definitely get your table corrected... )
Those impact dice appear to be proper blocking dice, though the images on them differ slightly from the original ones (but a skull is a skull, no matter how exactly it looks like, same is true for an arrow and the other symbols - just copyright issues). They look quite nice, you should feel free to order some and use them.krlsrrll - Jun 18, 2012 - 10:47 AM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Thanks, I actually took a punt and ordered them, along with 3D6 and a D8 all come to under a tenner with postage. Least I can stop using the dice app on my phone when they are delivered Khail - Jun 18, 2012 - 03:33 PM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
If you've got to use a D6, I suggest the following:
1: Skull
2: Both Down
3: Push
4: Push
5: Defender Stumbles
6: Defender Down
A block die has 2 push results on it, so you definitely don't want to skip one of them and make it a reroll instead!Jonny_P - Jun 18, 2012 - 10:14 PM Post subject: RE: Totally n00b Question
Smartphone dice apps put you on the wrong side of Nuffle my friend.krlsrrll - Jun 18, 2012 - 11:40 PM Post subject: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
Jonny_P wrote:
Smartphone dice apps put you on the wrong side of Nuffle my friend.
Must admit I do feel dirty every time I use it, after over 20 years of gaming and collecting dice 3 house moves have lost all trace of my faithful friends.
Least I will have some new little buddies to love, caress and make my own ..... ok, getting a little too sexy now!krlsrrll - Jun 21, 2012 - 10:16 AM Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
Thought I would stick to same thread for my new player questions.
When a model has frenzy they follow-on after a block and try another block, is this the only time you can follow on from a push back etc and try blocking again? Just wondering as seems to happen a few times in the xbox version (went for that so can MP easier with my friends) but wanted to make sure we weren't missing a rule in the game itself.SolarFlare - Jun 21, 2012 - 10:50 AM Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
If I understand your question correctly, frenzy is the only time a player can throw a second block in the same turn. (Unless they have ball and chain, but that's a whole different thing.) Nothing else allows the second block by that player. Of course, if you push a (defending) player into another of your (different) player's tackle zones, and that (new) player of yours has not yet taken an action, then you can throw a block on the (defending) player (if they are still standing, that is). Ummm... hope this helps. krlsrrll - Jun 22, 2012 - 12:49 AM Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
Yeah that is exactly what I was asking Also am presuming if you block someone and there is no 'result' and no turnover someone else can block them again, they don't have to be pushed into a tackle zone?
So for example Defender has 2 opponents in his tackle zone. Result from roll is 'both down' but they both have block so no push back etc, as they are still in tackle zone of 2nd opponent they can then subsequently block with an assist from the 1st opponent?SolarFlare - Jun 22, 2012 - 06:21 AM Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
Correct. He does not have to be pushed. He just has to be adjacent to one of your players that has not yet taken an action. Assist is, of course, contingent on the players being free of other opponent's tackle zones.krlsrrll - Jun 22, 2012 - 06:45 AM Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Totally n00b Question
Perfect, we might even start using points to buy players and re-rolls soon after the Dark Elf v Chaos was so easily won by DE and on checking they had a 1/3 extra points. We enjoyed it though, looking forward to trying our my Norse team.
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