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Rules Questions - Questions about Bull Centaurs
Grimetooth - Feb 26, 2003 - 10:56 AM
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How many squares do Bull Centaurs occupy?
and
If the B.C. occupies more than 1, does its tackle zone change to represent this?
Chatabi Grimetooth
skummy - Feb 26, 2003 - 12:41 PM
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Welcome to the board!
All players take up one square. This was not always the case, but it has solved related problems.
ZanzerTem - Feb 26, 2003 - 01:23 PM
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All players are considered to only take up one square, regardless of actual model size.
Melifaxis - Feb 26, 2003 - 01:37 PM
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Ditto. But man I just love (interpret this as you will Squig) my bull centaurs. Heck, I even love my minotaur even though he has wild animal...
SBG - Feb 27, 2003 - 09:52 AM
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Bull Centaurs for President ! They are great ! What skill does yours have Melifaxis ?
I got one with Break Tackle, Block, Catch; the other one has Block and Strip Ball (he's nasty !).
For your Mino, I find that Wild Animal is less scary with Block... Planning on giving him Piling On as his next skill, or Razor Sharp Claws on a double.
Fred
Melifaxis - Feb 27, 2003 - 10:48 AM
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I went with Sure Hands and Block so far as he seems to be the feature back of the team. Break Tackle is the next planned acquisition. Hopefully I can crank out some more SPP's in my next match.
I just bought my 2nd BC, and I plan on making him more defensive - Block, Pass Block, Strip Ball, Tackle, Sure Hands...
For Doubles I think I'd go with Dodge, Catch, or Leader.
My minotaur has Block, and Piling On is next on my list.
My CD's are all taking Guard as their 1st skill, and my evil little hobgoblins will mostly be taking Block, Mighty Blow, Dirty Player, or Sure Hands...I do have a Kicker though.
SBG - Feb 27, 2003 - 12:46 PM
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I did mostly the same for my CD's : almost all Guard as their first skill, and then Mighty Blow. I also have one Dauntless player that got me rid of the Deathroller in the first turn of the league's final !
Fred
coachblacknife - Mar 04, 2003 - 03:04 AM
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You can mount the BC's on 25mm circles without any hacking and they fit on juuust right too! Alternatively stick 'em on the 40mm circle and pretend like they're a Big Guy, then laugh manically when you use Team ReRolls on them. Heh heh.
Strip Ball and Break Tackle with Block - Hoo Yah!
Dave - Mar 04, 2003 - 12:56 PM
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That's nasty 
I use the big round ones for all my big guys. The 2nd ed ogres look really cute that way
Ratin_Mutants - Mar 15, 2003 - 05:19 PM
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Since we are talking BC and CD, why do they not have acces to some of the Physical skill... imagine a BC, with claw... or an extra arm... Could get realy NASTY.. and fun, because right now, they seem like some puny dwarf team to me. (no I have NOT played them or against them, but they seem to lacke a little bit of Bite).
skummy - Mar 15, 2003 - 11:34 PM
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Chaos Dwarfs are one of the better teams out there. They have the speed a regular Dwarf team has, and don't give up much in the way of toughness, if they protect the hobgoblins correctly. They'd be way too dangerous with any more Physical mutations than the one Minotaur they can get already.
Melifaxis - Mar 17, 2003 - 08:40 AM
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They do seem on the high end of the power spectrum now. Additional mutations would be cool, but there would have to be a price.
coachblacknife - Mar 17, 2003 - 03:58 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:
They do seem on the high end of the power spectrum now. Additional mutations would be cool, but there would have to be a price.
... and yet the team either received comments of "comedy team", or looks of "Chaos *whats*?" whenever anyone went past the stadium I was at. Weird. I still don't think that a team of low-armoured Human Linemen (or slow Skaven and Dwarf Linemen are terribly powerful. Add those two Bull Centaurs and it gets more playable, but when compared to the Orc teams 4xBlitzers + 4x Black Orcs, well i'll take the comedy!
-Andy-
Babs - Mar 20, 2003 - 05:17 AM
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I think I worked _too_ hard and lobbied a _little_ too much to make them more powerful in the first rules review.
Look at the Rankings. My new friend from CanCon Paul Deacon is top of the rankings with his Chaos Dwarves.
I tried hard to make them more competitive than they were in the original rules, because they langushed down with the halflings and goblins. Guess what - now they take on humans & Orcs!
My next lobby will be for the elves......
Babs - Mar 20, 2003 - 05:18 AM
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Blacknife - great to have you here!
Love the comment about re-rolls too!
SBG - Mar 20, 2003 - 07:37 AM
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Babs wrote:
I think I worked _too_ hard and lobbied a _little_ too much to make them more powerful in the first rules review.
Look at the Rankings. My new friend from CanCon Paul Deacon is top of the rankings with his Chaos Dwarves.
I tried hard to make them more competitive than they were in the original rules, because they langushed down with the halflings and goblins. Guess what - now they take on humans & Orcs!
My next lobby will be for the elves......
As long as you don't lobby to tone them down...
Fred
Melifaxis - Mar 20, 2003 - 08:40 AM
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Precisely!
SBG - Mar 20, 2003 - 11:59 AM
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What does your roster look like Melifaxis ?
Here's mine :
http://pages.infinit.net/cubslbsr/bloodbowl/statsbeer.html
Melifaxis - Mar 21, 2003 - 12:30 PM
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Nice, my TR is only 160 (5-0-0 record) as we just started our league.
CD's: 2 with guard, 1 with guard and MB
Hobbo's: 1 with Kicker, 1 with Dirty Player
BC's: 1 with block and sure hands, 1 with block
Minotaur: Block
I haven't rolled doubles yet!!! Hopefully soon 
SBG - Mar 21, 2003 - 02:43 PM
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I've rolled many doubles ! I am lucky on skill rolls : I have a human team which has a lot of guardian linemen !
Fred
smeborg - Mar 21, 2003 - 06:59 PM
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Hi Babs-
I think the reason that the CDs do so well in play is because their defence is outstanding, notwithstanding that their offence is "merely" average. The strengths of the CDs may not be immediately obvious to all rookie coaches. Certainly, many coaches seem to underestimate the "comedians".
I'm open minded as to whether the CDs will maintain an outstanding position in the rankings. I think 2 things may happen to pull them down a bit:
- Coaches will understand the CDs better, and hence will be better able to exploit their weaknesses (alas!).
- Regardless of the race they play, smart coaches may put more emphasis on defence than hitherto, for example in roster selection, playing style, or skill choice. I think that the mentality of trying to win by outscoring the opponent on offence will always lose out to the (much tougher) mentality of "I'm going to score every time you receive the ball".
Maybe we're just witnessing some sort of selection by temperament - more coaches with a never-say-die approach to defence end up choosing the CDs.
And, by the way, the CDs were not a bad side before BCs were invented.
Cheers
Smeborg the Fleshless
Squiggoth - Mar 25, 2003 - 05:11 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
Ditto. But man I just love (interpret this as you will Squig) my bull centaurs.
What? Me? Interpreting something wrongly? I'd never!
And I've loved Bull Centaurs ever since I first laid eyes on them, back when I was younger and equipped with more hair on my head than on my belly 
Hooves for the Cow God, Bells for the Bell Throne of Hashut!
Martijn
Squiggoth - Mar 25, 2003 - 05:13 AM
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(And might I add that the shell-carrying crewmen from the Chaos Dwarf Earthshaker Cannon make excellent Mediks (carrying a brancard) and the pointing dwarf with monocle makes an excellent Referee...)
Martijn (who wants sideburns like those!)
Melifaxis - Mar 25, 2003 - 08:17 AM
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Thanks for the advice Martijn
So far, I have only done a couple of easy CD conversions. Buying the axewielding WH variety, cutting away the axe, and then turning the blade of the axe into a bladed gauntlet.
SBG - Mar 25, 2003 - 08:20 AM
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Those minis must be old, cause I can't get any CD WH minis around here !
Fred
Melifaxis - Mar 25, 2003 - 08:48 AM
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My local hobby shop is having a hard time with their distributors, so even when I special order something it may not come in for weeks or months. Quite the royal pain in the a$$...
So, I just ordered them from GW online 2 months ago. 5 days later I was cutting and painting
Squiggoth - Mar 26, 2003 - 01:46 AM
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Yup, Chaos Dwarfs have been out of production for some time now. They'll be getting a new army book at the end of next year if all goes well. By the way, this month's White Dwarf mentioned them in a story about the new summer campaign, where Archaon's warhost are being given siege engines and weapons by the naughty stunties. They're back AND important! 
Squiggoth - Mar 26, 2003 - 01:47 AM
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Did I say "new army book"? I meant "their first real army book"
Martijn
Darkson - Mar 26, 2003 - 11:59 PM
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Squiggoth wrote:
Did I say "new army book"? I meant "their first real army book"
Martijn
NNNnnnOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Death to all Silly Big Hats. The BBPCD campaign starts here! (Bring Back Proper Chaos Dwarfs)
Squiggoth - Mar 27, 2003 - 07:43 AM
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...And the DIAGHWGTTBH campaign starts here!
Squiggoth - Mar 27, 2003 - 07:43 AM
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...That's "Darkson Is A Git. He's Wrong. Glory To The Big Hats!" 
njer-njer,
Martijn
GalakStarscraper - Mar 27, 2003 - 07:50 AM
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Babs wrote:
I think I worked _too_ hard and lobbied a _little_ too much to make them more powerful in the first rules review.
I don't think so Babs ... Chaos Dwarves are still one of the lesser teams in my BBRC test league ... averaging only a 42% win record to date.
Personally I think they are just fine as they are and don't need changed at all.
http://www.blood-bowl.net/MBBL/MBBL_RaceStats.htm
Galak
SBG - Mar 27, 2003 - 11:04 AM
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Totally agree with you Galak!
I'm one of the struggling CD's in your league !
But in my league, I play for .609 and won 2 championships! Nothing to complain !
Fred
Darkson - Mar 27, 2003 - 06:21 PM
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Squiggoth wrote:
...That's "Darkson Is A Git. He's Wrong. Glory To The Big Hats!"
njer-njer,
Martijn
SHCPBHJIIBBH
(Sqiggoth, He Can Paint But His Judgement Is Impaired By Big Hats)
Shortarse - Mar 27, 2003 - 07:07 PM
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Totally agree with you Galak!
I'm one of the struggling CD's in your league !
But in my league, I play for .609 and won 2 championships! Nothing to complain !
Fred
Just a question. How much of that is due to bad luck? We've had 4 people play CDs in our legues at various times and all have struggled due to injury and the CD's not getting any SPPs. Tried to buck the trend tonight and play a CD team for the first time vs a human team.
It didn't work 
I lost 2-1 and of my starting 5 CDs 2 died (it was 3 but I used an apothecary), 2more are missing the next match, one BC is at -1 MA and the lucky bloody HG's got away with 2 of their number being knocked out. 
What is this curse that follows the CD's around London?
On the up side the remaining BC now has catch 
Doubleskulls - Mar 28, 2003 - 07:49 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
I'm sure it will be better than the Halfling play guide which was written for 3rd edition and not the LRB rules so it ended up being pure crap.
Oh yeah lets start with Deeproot and a Master Chef. Brilliant tips there.
Babs - Mar 28, 2003 - 08:39 AM
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Stay tuned to BB Mag. I have written the Chaos Dwarf play guide.
Having played them five times and never lost the league / tournament with them.
GalakStarscraper - Mar 28, 2003 - 09:43 AM
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Babs wrote:
Stay tuned to BB Mag. I have written the Chaos Dwarf play guide.
Having played them five times and never lost the league / tournament with them.
I'm sure it will be better than the Halfling play guide which was written for 3rd edition and not the LRB rules so it ended up being pure crap.
I'll look forward to reading it Babs.
Galak
Squiggoth - Mar 28, 2003 - 11:35 AM
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Darkson wrote:
Squiggoth wrote:
...That's "Darkson Is A Git. He's Wrong. Glory To The Big Hats!"
njer-njer,
Martijn
SHCPBHJIIBBH
(Sqiggoth, He Can Paint But His Judgement Is Impaired By Big Hats)
Mmmm... D... D... D... Erm...
(Darkson, erm... I've got a headache... Ouch!)
Darkson - Mar 28, 2003 - 03:51 PM
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Ian, how did you manage to quote Galak before he posted?
Serious twilight zone there 
skummy - Mar 29, 2003 - 08:18 AM
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Had to be an edit... right?
SBG - Mar 29, 2003 - 12:28 PM
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There's something weird with board !
SBG - Mar 29, 2003 - 12:29 PM
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Ashardian wrote:
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Totally agree with you Galak!
I'm one of the struggling CD's in your league !
But in my league, I play for .609 and won 2 championships! Nothing to complain !
Fred
Just a question. How much of that is due to bad luck? We've had 4 people play CDs in our legues at various times and all have struggled due to injury and the CD's not getting any SPPs. Tried to buck the trend tonight and play a CD team for the first time vs a human team.
It didn't work
I lost 2-1 and of my starting 5 CDs 2 died (it was 3 but I used an apothecary), 2more are missing the next match, one BC is at -1 MA and the lucky bloody HG's got away with 2 of their number being knocked out.
What is this curse that follows the CD's around London?
On the up side the remaining BC now has catch
I don't know, but I really feel that I,m better with real dice than with virtual ones ! I just keep on missing dodges and not causing casualities on MBBL, but keep racking'em up in my own league !
I,m just more lucky with real dice, that's my wild guess !
Fred
Shortarse - Apr 01, 2003 - 02:26 PM
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I,m just more lucky with real dice, that's my wild guess !
Fred
Well You'll be pleased to know the curse has lifted I beat an experienced elf team 3-0.
Yeay to the big hats! All hail the conquring bull centaurs!
Sorry get a bit carried away......
Squiggoth - Apr 02, 2003 - 01:19 AM
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Darkson wrote:
Ian, how did you manage to quote Galak
before he posted?
Serious twilight zone there
Geez, don't you have a Palantir at home then? They're on sale at Toys'R'Us this week...
But seriously, we should burn that bad, wicked witch! 
Doubleskulls - Apr 02, 2003 - 05:07 AM
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Darkson wrote:
Ian, how did you manage to quote Galak
before he posted?
Serious twilight zone there
I dunno, I must be telepathic or something.
Squiggoth - Apr 02, 2003 - 05:33 AM
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Expect a visit from the Inquisition soon, Mr. Williams...
Dragoonkin - Apr 04, 2003 - 10:45 PM
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(Wrong game world, Squiggoth.)
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 03:31 AM
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Watch it there, Mr. Dragoonkin, or I'll summon my army of beholders!
Muwahahahaha!!!
Martijn
(If there ever was a lame game it must be AD&D )