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Converting - I'm getting the hang of greenstuff!
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 02:38 AM
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Bloated and loving it! 
A Nurgle Lord / Rotters Head Coach:
Nope, he's not getting a cigar this time 
Melifaxis - Apr 09, 2003 - 05:46 AM
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Cool!
Redfang - Apr 09, 2003 - 06:00 AM
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Wow, a nice description of how you did this would be appreciated by us lesser mortals...
R
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 07:28 AM
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Euhm... Okay!
Up until this stage then...
The inspiration came from a Bull Gorg conversion I saw on portent (a Necromunda special character, basically a naked fat bloke with chainsaws instead of hands) which I reckoned would be the perfect base for a foul, bloated Chaos Lord of Nurgle (yummy!).
Day 1
I started out with collecting the bitz needed for the conversion, which are
- the lower legs & feet of a plastic Chaos Warrior
- the bare head of a plastic Chaos Warrior
- lotsa greenstuff
- a 25 mm square slottabase
- some brass rod & plasticard
I started by gluing the feet to the base. Then I roughly sculpted the upper legs. After these had hardened for about 20 minutes I sculpted the belly (basically a rough, egg-like shape stuck to the legs) and let that harden for another 30 minutes (I hate being patient!).
Then I sculpted the chest area (basically another greenstuff "egg", this time less wide but higher than the belly) and a thin neck.
The head was attached to the neck and with greenstuff I filled out the throat and neck.
Finally I sculpted the shoulders. Roughly again.
Day 2.
Everything had hardened so I started on the detailing. First I did the thick collar around his neck, then the armour on the belly. The hole where the maggot is crawling out was made by poking a hole in the still soft greenstuff with my sculpting tool, the maggot itself was sculpted a few days later (just a "sausage" of greenstuff, after it has hardened for 20 minutes you can sculpt the "rings" in it). The tiny bits of cloven armour at the edges were made by cutting the soft armour with a sculpting tool. The broken bit on the belly were the intestines are poking out was cut away after the greenstuff had hardened for a few days. The intestines itself were made by placing some tiny greenstuff balls on the area and smearing them out with a sharp tool. The shoulderplate is just a rough, basic shape made from a blob of greenstuff. The chainmail was done by first scuklpting the basic shape, letting it harden for a few hours, covering it with a very thin layer of greenstuff and poking holes in that with a needle, drawing the point slightly downwards in every hole and working from bottom to top.
Some things I've learned so far:
- don't mix too much greenstuff in one go - it's a waste, after about 15 minutes the stickyness and suppleness wears off.
- build everything in layers. It takes loads of patience but the results are better!
- spit is your best friend. It prevents stickyness when you don't want it and it helps smoothen your tools.
- chainmail stinks 
Martijn
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 08:31 AM
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Oh, here's another tip: make concept sketches before you start!
It gives you a guideline to work along:
And another view (you can almost see his bottom from here! ):
Melifaxis - Apr 09, 2003 - 10:05 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
Some things I've learned so far:
- spit is your best friend.
Martijn
You're a lonely guy, huh?
Seriously, thanks for the step-by-step!!
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 10:14 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
You're a lonely guy, huh?
I'm not, I can sculpt my own friends now 
Martijn (should I sculpt some friends for you too? )
Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 10:18 AM
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By the way, there are also other substances you may use instead of spit. However, these are better not put on a sculpting tool. There's another tool for that stuff and it's not used for sculpting. Not unless you're REALLY sick
Melifaxis - Apr 09, 2003 - 11:17 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
Martijn (should I sculpt some friends for you too?
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Yes, some friends with big hats would be nice...or some of those elf chicks like Shadowforge makes
AnthonyTBBF - Apr 09, 2003 - 12:20 PM
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That is damn cool!
AnthonyTBBF - Apr 09, 2003 - 12:26 PM
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BTW, if you want the Green Stuff to harden quicker, get a desk lamp and put your mini under it for a while, the heat from the bulb will speed it up a bit (found that out when I did my Nurgle team).
SBG - Apr 09, 2003 - 02:09 PM
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You guys are a step above me !
I'm just trying to paint good; you guys, you sculpt good !!!
I still have a long way to go...
Great Job !
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:08 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
BTW, if you want the Green Stuff to harden quicker, get a desk lamp and put your mini under it for a while, the heat from the bulb will speed it up a bit (found that out when I did my Nurgle team).
So it DOES work? I tried putting my mini's on a radiator but I got visions of pools of molten greenstuff...
I'll try it out, thanks!
Concordia wrote:
You guys are a step above me !
I'm just trying to paint good; you guys, you sculpt good !!!
I still have a long way to go...
Yes, but you're probably a better tennis player then me (anyone who isn't an unconcious Snotling should be a better tennis player then me )
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:10 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
Squiggoth wrote:
Martijn (should I sculpt some friends for you too?
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Yes, some friends with big hats would be nice...or some of those elf chicks like Shadowforge makes
I'm certainly NOT doing Elves! Eeeeeeew!!! I'd rather sculpt Nurglings practicing kamasutra then wasting my greenstuff on pointy-eared gitz 
About those friends with big hats... You DO know that Santa Claus and his Elves aren't for real?
Martijn
Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:15 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
I'd rather sculpt Nurglings practicing kamasutra
Finally he has found out what the Greater Purpose in his life is meant to be. Who wouldn't pay a lot of money for some of those minis!!! 
R
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:22 AM
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I dunno... Would you?
Boomshanka,
Neil / Martijn
Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:23 AM
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No, but there have got to be some really sick persons out there...
I do think though that you'd make more money if it were beautiful elven maidens instead of Nurglings, even though that would be less funny.
R
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:27 AM
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Beautiful Elven maidens... Ever seen Ariel the Wood Elf Queen? If that's supposed to be beautiful I'd rather have sex with those Nurglings myself
Martijn (at least Nurglings have nice breasts!)
Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:30 AM
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Well, if you sculpt them you can make them any way you like; hell, you could even make a whole Orc Cheerleader squad in the process of giving the blitzers on the team some after-match work-out.
(That could really upset your opponent, and get Snots making lots of remarks again. )
R
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:32 AM
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I'm already making plans for a complete squad of Orc&Goblin cheerleaders...
- 1 who is breastfeeding baby Orcs
- 1 who is actually a gigantic squig with a pomponed arm sticking out of his mouth
- 1 some goblin cuties
- 1 Orc Hooker
any more ideas?
Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:38 AM
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Orc in Drag?
Or are they all...
You could also model some snotlings imitating the Big Orc Cheerleaders...
R
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:51 AM
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Cool plan! Thanks! (I should have thought of that earlier!)
snew - Apr 10, 2003 - 07:10 AM
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Gaa! All this talk about Nurglings getting rocks and Orc honeys flashinig breatst and otherwise displaying their charms has got me dealing with that other substance you mentioned about not putting on your sculpting tool. Ewww.
Nurgling orgy, good.
Giant sguig sucking on an Elf's pomponed arm, good
Other ideas, good.
Breastfeeding cheerleader, priceless!
Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 07:16 AM
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How did you know the Squig is sucking on a pomponed Elf's arm??? Are you REALLY psychic?!?!?
Building a pyre in anticipation of your reply,
Martijn
Melifaxis - Apr 10, 2003 - 08:58 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
You DO know that Santa Claus and his Elves aren't for real?
Martijn
WHAT?!!?!???!!?!
snew - Apr 10, 2003 - 10:27 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
How did you know the Squig is sucking on a pomponed
Elf's arm??? Are you REALLY psychic?!?!?
Building a pyre in anticipation of your reply,
Martijn
There can be other arms sticking out of a Squig's mouth?!? I can see pretty, delicate fingers with manicured nails broken. Squig flesh impacted under the nails from her feeble attempt to defend herself. Arm a bloodless blue-white towards the elbow shading to a healthy pink-white at the hand as the blood drains from the limb from the Squig sucking on it like some macabre pixi stick. Does that make me a clairvoyant?
I can see the pyre now. Nice one. I approve...
Squiggoth - Apr 11, 2003 - 02:22 AM
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Hope you don't mind smoking... Any last wishes?
Redfang - Apr 11, 2003 - 02:30 AM
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By the way, if you want to keep all your cheerleaders with sigarettes, you could give the Squig an arm with one in his mouth...
Or he could be eating a very large joint (flames first)
R
Fondu77 - Apr 11, 2003 - 03:14 AM
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I there Squigoth .... Iam impressed....
Just soome questions
Is it a big investment ? tools and green stuff?
Do you need a lot of trainin?
Squiggoth - Apr 11, 2003 - 03:19 AM
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Redfang wrote:
By the way, if you want to keep all your cheerleaders with sigarettes, you could give the Squig an arm with one in his mouth...
Or he could be eating a very large joint (flames first)
R
LOL, a stoned Giant Cave Squig - that'd be a sight
Squiggoth - Apr 11, 2003 - 03:23 AM
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Fondu77 wrote:
I there Squigoth .... Iam impressed....
Just soome questions
Is it a big investment ? tools and green stuff?
Do you need a lot of trainin?
Well, the whole model will come to about 1,5 packets of greenstuff when it's finished, which is cheaper than a standard Chaos Lord
The sculpting tool... I don't know how much I paid for that, had it for years. You can also get tool-like things from your local dentist (well not exactly the same, but it's stainless steel and has a pointy flat end).
This IS training - if you don't try you never learn and so far the biggest project I've tried is two tits
Martijn
Fondu77 - Apr 11, 2003 - 05:51 AM
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cheers man....
one or two more question
were to find greenstuf?
GW tools > good deal?
If You can evolve as fast as painting.... i say...cool
Dave - Apr 11, 2003 - 06:45 AM
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I got my sculpting tools from Heresy, waay cheaper than GW's
Green stuff too BTW
PS, Squiggoth; Brilliant!!!
Fondu77 - Apr 11, 2003 - 07:05 AM
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cheers dave
snew - Apr 11, 2003 - 07:11 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
Hope you don't mind smoking... Any last wishes?
Nope! I'm cool just thinking about those 5 minutes.
Squiggoth - Apr 14, 2003 - 01:37 AM
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Fondu77 wrote:
cheers man....
one or two more question
were to find greenstuf?
GW tools > good deal?
If You can evolve as fast as painting.... i say...cool
Greenstuff is available as Kneadite or something like that. It's officially stuff used by plumbers to repair holes. I don't know who the manufacturer is, though. And GW's sculpting tool is a good all-round one, but I'm gonna look for other tools as well for more variation.
Martijn
Dave - Apr 14, 2003 - 02:38 PM
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try andy's, they're good. (and cheap)
Squiggoth - Apr 15, 2003 - 02:00 AM
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I've been tinkering with self-made tools, it's amazing what you can do with needles, old pens and tape 
Traveller - Apr 18, 2003 - 03:19 AM
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he, just wanna say, i´m a green stuff adict , too. After the BB ogres and some heresy minis ( hellbeasts and Boris) "corrections" i m now in the middle of converting my homemade orc play team... Just tresting to make nice helmet...argh. And than i will give my cheerleader a try... will keep you informed, Squiggoth
Traveller
Squiggoth - Apr 22, 2003 - 03:18 AM
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Yummy - I'm being informed about naked german Orc girls
I'm getting visions here of Tiroler films featuring Heidi-orc und Peter-orc... 
Torpor - May 01, 2003 - 10:26 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
I'm already making plans for a complete squad of Orc&Goblin cheerleaders...
- 1 who is breastfeeding baby Orcs
- 1 who is actually a gigantic squig with a pomponed arm sticking out of his mouth
- 1 some goblin cuties
- 1 Orc Hooker
any more ideas?
I made simple modifications to some ball and chain night goblins (made the balls 'fuzzy' like pom-poms) and similarly altered a squig. The paint jobs are okay. If you would like to see them they are athttp://www.geocities.com/faintlym/goblincheer.html Hope that they give you a few more ideas.
. -Philip
Dave - May 01, 2003 - 11:31 AM
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NICEEE!!!
Beware of giving Squig advice.
He's rather nuts enough to follow them...
Very nice Cheerleaders..
Redfang - May 02, 2003 - 03:38 AM
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I really like the squig!
R
Squiggoth - May 03, 2003 - 01:32 PM
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Hehehehehehe!!!
Those were funny. Now I have to make a squig with fake blue beard myself
Martijn (that fanatic with the pompon is just too silly )
Grasshopper - Jul 18, 2003 - 09:06 AM
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Squig,
This is AWESOME... Great frieakin' job ! ! ! 
Side note... is it jsut me or has anyopne else come across the white "green stuff" ?
Indigo - Jul 21, 2003 - 03:46 AM
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Is that not milliput, modelling clay rather than modelling putty (IIRC)
from what I read, it's better at produce "sharp" edges (for swords and the like) whereas green stuff is better for the rest of the mini.
Hangus - Jul 22, 2003 - 12:53 PM
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Traveller wrote:
he, just wanna say, i´m a green stuff adict , too. After the BB ogres and some heresy minis ( hellbeasts and Boris) "corrections" i m now in the middle of converting my homemade orc play team...
Just tresting to make nice helmet...argh. And than i will give my cheerleader a try... will keep you informed, Squiggoth
Traveller
dude if you have any luck pass it on as i tried to make a helmet for my skeletons and it turned out as a ball of green stuff. Do you build it in parts?
made a hockey mask out of green stuff simple yet quite effective.
that chaos lord is awesome squiggoth
Squiggoth - Aug 15, 2003 - 01:57 PM
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Indigi speaks in wise tongues and stuff... That milliput (or a 50/50 mix of miliput and greenstuff) is the top stuff for sharp edges...
Amok - Aug 16, 2003 - 03:50 PM
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I my self am starting to get rather handy with greenstuf to, My ratoger ( Maxima Woelmouse ) is currently undergoing some changes. She's now I'd say becoming one of the more evil female rats ever to eat everything that walks... or does not walk.. or is not even alive... or has never lived at all
Greenstuff for president.
madhobbit - Aug 26, 2003 - 04:10 PM
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I've never even tried converting further than bending some arms. Great work Squiggoth!! I think I'll have nightmares thinking of your cheerleader squad before it even arises.....
Odium_Khan - Jan 20, 2004 - 01:10 AM
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I'm kind of getting the hang of it as well! Now I almost like modelling better than painting! Too bad I can't show proof of my progress as the mini went with the mail to McDeth (the TBB Legacy beastman). Moving on to the Khemri now...
Squiggoth - Feb 12, 2004 - 02:31 AM
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LOL, is this topic still alive after a year???
Indigo - Feb 12, 2004 - 02:53 AM
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looks like it 
finally feels like I'm getting the hang of it too - just made my eminem based chainsaw gobbo conversion, with hockey mask
Grasshopper - Feb 12, 2004 - 08:43 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
LOL, is this topic still alive after a year???
Well yeah, we're still waiting to see how the Nurgle Lord turned out.
Amok - Feb 25, 2004 - 07:24 PM
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Grasshopper wrote:
Squiggoth wrote:
LOL, is this topic still alive after a year???
Well yeah, we're still waiting to see how the Nurgle Lord turned out.
Hell yeah we wan't to know how he turned out...
Melifaxis - Feb 25, 2004 - 08:26 PM
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Well I can confirm that Sqiggoth can craft one fine slut (NAF Skeleton Cheerleader)
I too would love to see the Nurgle Lord completed though.
Squiggoth - Feb 27, 2004 - 04:14 AM
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Me too... But he's in my army suitcase which is still in Nottingham. And it's been there for almost two months now 
Having no army to play with means I've got more time to paint stuff, though
Grotemuis - Feb 27, 2004 - 05:47 AM
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for equipment: medical kit (best scalpels around and other "usefull" tools)
Vaseline!
longfang - Feb 27, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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longfang - Feb 27, 2004 - 10:55 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
But he's in my army suitcase which is still in Nottingham. And it's been there for almost two months now
So it was a picture of you I saw in White Dwarf?
Grotemuis - Feb 27, 2004 - 12:21 PM
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was that aimed at me?
well in that case, vaseline is a very good surrogate for spit when using your fingers to sculpt.
and doing a medical orientated studie is a very good way for the acquire the best disection equipment. Also usable for sculpting
Dave - Feb 27, 2004 - 12:24 PM
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able to 'let one drop off the table' for me ??
Squiggoth - Feb 27, 2004 - 05:55 PM
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Can't you buy dentist and medical tools somewhere in a shop or something?
Longfang wrote:
So it was a picture of you I saw in White Dwarf?
My ugly mug was in it last year a few times, that must have scared the readers so now they're just gonna show my Nurgle boyz. Don't know when exactly, but it's getting a bit awkward since I still haven't got the figs back and there's a Chaos Invasion campaign starting at our club in 14 days. I'm supposed to be one of the main bad guys (only 2 Chaos players at our club 
), so it would be nice to have an army to play Bad Guy with then
Grotemuis - Mar 01, 2004 - 03:46 AM
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dave:
had to buy mine myself, I'll if i can get you some. Scalpels are great for modelling!
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 01, 2004 - 11:06 AM
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I was just at Foundry in the UK last week and bought their sculting tool set. I think you can order it from their online store, anyways it is a really good set of tools.
Grasshopper - Mar 11, 2004 - 11:11 AM
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Ho Hum... still waiting for pics.