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Rules Questions - very good players

KLK - Nov 27, 2003 - 08:53 PM
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Hello Coaches.

I want to know your opinio about a possible rule to stop the ability increasing. at least a few.

Look this, the CBBL have a wardancer who has STR 5, yes 5. in the same team, a catcher has MA 10 and sprint, sure feet, block... I guess this is an exageration. also, an undead mummy has STR 6, a skaven runner MA 10...

My proposition is that should exist some limits. I think that a player only can improve his abilities by one, and the limit in MA must be 9.

What do you think? do you have the same problem in your leagues?

Zombie - Nov 27, 2003 - 10:06 PM
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There already are limits in the official rules. The max increase for any stat is 2 and the max AV is 10. It's been like that ever since 3rd ed came out in 94 and it's been working great. I don't see why all of a sudden it should be changed.

Some players will always be better than others. But there's always a solution: foul, foul, foul! Maybe your league just needs more dirty players.

jejaatin - Nov 27, 2003 - 11:24 PM
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I hear you zombie, a boot to the groin is better than a fist to the head.

Very Happy

noodle1978uk - Nov 28, 2003 - 02:38 AM
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I agree with Zombie. The best way to deal with "good" players is to kill them. We have a ST 4 AG 5 wardancer in our league - but we all accept it - when his bounty goes over 50,000 I intend to collect Twisted Evil

Indigo - Nov 28, 2003 - 02:54 AM
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Luis - generally, players who become THAT good will soon be taken out as they are inevitably targets.

Do you use ageing in your league?

The ST5 wardancer is a real freak of nature remember, so doesn't come along often. Changing the rules to solve freak issues like this would badly impact the system for "regular" players.

McDeth - Nov 28, 2003 - 04:29 AM
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If its so much a problem then house rule a bounty of 50k for each stat increase on any player. The ST 5 Wardancer will be worth 100k, lets see how long he last then and how willing he'll be to put him on the pitch Wink

jejaatin - Nov 28, 2003 - 05:17 AM
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If we use bounties, somebody must put it on some players head and to pay it up, when "the deed is done" (quoting shakespeare! I rule Mr. Green

), so if there's a bounty the money just doesn't just come from the air but from one or more of the other coaches. Usually when the bountied player has killed some other valuable player.

noodle1978uk - Nov 28, 2003 - 05:25 AM
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One of or ex-players, Rapid, ended up with a 750,000 bounty on his furry little head.

Bless!

(Claw fangs tackle skaven lineman)

Zombie - Nov 28, 2003 - 06:48 AM
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Not necessarily jejaatin, it could come from the league itself rather than from a team. In that case, it would seem to come out of thin air, since league money is not worked out in any way in Blood Bowl.

Oh and jejaatin, saying "i rule" definitely makes you very uncool. Plus, in this case, it makes you sound stupid, by implicitely saying that quoting Shakespeare is hard for you. Quoting Shakespeare = good; being all worked up about it = bad. Just a friendly tip.

Indigo - Nov 28, 2003 - 07:13 AM
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lol now he's in his place - that'll teach him Wink

it might be more cool when it's not his native language?

Zombie - Nov 28, 2003 - 07:30 AM
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Ok, that might be an excuse for "being all worked up about it", but never for saying it out loud!

Be careful Indigo, apart from you and i, people will not get that reference. That sentence taken out of context might look bad.

Deathwing - Nov 28, 2003 - 07:58 AM
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He's probably actually quoting Marlowe.

And while saying "i rule" is indeed uncool, this is somewhat counterbalanced by having Hendrix (who was very cool indeed) in your avatar.

Anyway, I digress. I concur with the 'it's up to the League to target players like that' line of thinking, hell it's almost your responsibility. Smile

No rule change required IMO. Besides, how else would players become legends?
"Do you remember that ****ing mummy that Joe Bloggs used to have?"
"Do I ever!..What happened to him in the end?"..etc..

Tutenkharnage - Nov 28, 2003 - 12:45 PM
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Given: Players with +1 to MA, ST, or AG add character and present some interesting strategic choices.

Given: Players with +2 to MA, ST, or AG are extremely freakish and can dominate a game single-handedly for no better reason than "the coach rolled very well."

Solution: Limit stat changes to +1. And then kill the freaks.

I don't think this is absolutely necessary, but I don't believe that +2 is a magic number that must be adhered to. Let me put it this way: I'm already causing plenty of havoc in the MBBL with a trio of ST 4 Amazons. If I had a ST 5 Amazon or two...well, that would clearly give me a ridiculous advantage over everyone else. I think +1 is a more reasonable cap that would eliminate the Ogre-like Wardancer. But you still need to kill them Wink

-Chet

GalakStarscraper - Nov 28, 2003 - 01:10 PM
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Tutenkharnage wrote:

Let me put it this way: I'm already causing plenty of havoc in the MBBL with a trio of ST 4 Amazons. If I had a ST 5 Amazon or two...well, that would clearly give me a ridiculous advantage over everyone else. I think +1 is a more reasonable cap that would eliminate the Ogre-like Wardancer. But you still need to kill them Wink

-Chet

True ... but Tony's ST 5 Lion Warrior in the MBBL only lasted a handful of games before a Dwarf team caught his number. Those players have bullseye's on them a mile wide.

The first thing I do when I play against any team is memorize the numbers of the players I want to kill. I think any good coach does this.

Galak

Darkson - Nov 28, 2003 - 02:47 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

The first thing I do when I play against any team is memorize the numbers of the players I want to kill. I think any good coach does this.

Galak

You mean 1-16? Wink

Apedog - Nov 28, 2003 - 03:39 PM
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One of my mates had a ST 5 AG 3 Bull Centaur - died halfway throught the first half of his first game with that stat. Pushed into the crowd.

I do feel sorry for him - but I did also breath a big sigh of relief Smile

jejaatin - Nov 29, 2003 - 04:49 AM
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Quote:

Oh and jejaatin, saying "i rule" (sic) definitely makes you very uncool. Plus, in this case, it makes you sound stupid, by implicitely saying that quoting Shakespeare is hard for you. Quoting Shakespeare = good; being all worked up about it = bad. Just a friendly tip.

Cheers mate, though I did say "I rule" which is correct from the viewpoint of English grammar, you see the pronoun "I" is always spelled with a capital letter.

Anyway, my mother tongue is not in fact English, but I wouldn't emphasize that too much.

And I was quoting W.S. Check out Machbeth.

Peace be with you Zombie...

Deathwing - Nov 29, 2003 - 05:52 AM
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Off-Topic: Sorry.

jejaatin wrote:

And I was quoting W.S. Check out Machbeth.

I know full well which play it's from, you missed my point. You think you're quoting (paraphrasing actually) W.S.
This really isn't the place to get into O-T discussions on this (or grammar for that matter), but just for interest, run a search for Christopher Marlowe and my (somewhat flippant, sorry) comment may make more sense. Wink

jejaatin - Nov 29, 2003 - 06:02 AM
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OT:

Yep, I was just counting on general ignorance. Actually I just trying to make it look like I was quoting W.S. Very Happy

Paraphrasing, yeah that's the word. Shouldn't get caught doing that at this point, oh well Rolling Eyes

Thanks for the correction.

Crying or Very sad

Have to continue my studies a bit longer...

McDeth - Nov 29, 2003 - 06:43 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

Tutenkharnage wrote:

-Chet

Bit Difficult with Chets team though, 3 Amazons with ST4, 2 with AG 4 and 2 with MA7 i think, thats Seven Stat increases, somehow i dont think my lowly rated 124 team against Chets 174 team will have much of a luxury of choosing which players to kill, rather which ones to try and avoid. Wink

Zombie - Nov 29, 2003 - 03:14 PM
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jejaatin wrote:

Cheers mate, though I did say "I rule" which is correct from the viewpoint of English grammar, you see the pronoun "I" is always spelled with a capital letter.

It won't be forever. I'm pretty sure that this mistake will be corrected in the future, and the reason i spell it like this is to campaign for that. A capital i, while all the other pronouns are lowercase, just tells everyone that you believe yourself to be more important than everybody else, which is why it needs to change.

Tutenkharnage - Nov 29, 2003 - 08:35 PM
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@Tom: Absolutely, but remember that Tony didn't have a choice about which team to play against. I'm sure any right-minded Elf coach would choose to avoid Dwarf teams, not play against them with monster catchers Wink

@McDeth: Yeah, and you should see the problems my TR 128 opponent (Amazon team with 3 skills plus 1 for handicap) is having against my TR 178 team Wink

-Chet