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Melifaxis - Jan 13, 2004 - 03:17 PM
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I edited the first post of the other thread, which in turn destroys your poll.

Embarassed

I don't think there was a clear 3rd place squad at the time of my mistake (several had 2 votes), so I added Norse in to give them a fair shot (they had 3 and were excluded initially).

If you think we should approach this differently feel free to speak up. Very Happy

Squiggoth - Jan 13, 2004 - 04:25 PM
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Not another skeletal cheerleader please! I don't feel like painting any orcs for some time... What about Norse?

Colin - Jan 13, 2004 - 05:00 PM
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You convinced me, I voted for Norse as well. Wink

Tojurub - Jan 13, 2004 - 05:07 PM
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I initially voted for Amazons, but Norse is perfectly fine with me....actually I have an extra catcher I would throw in (if it's worth anything)

Very Happy

joker_BBBL - Jan 14, 2004 - 02:57 AM
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voted

Mordredd - Jan 14, 2004 - 04:32 AM
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I know Chaos had 3 votes and Rotters had 4 (I originally voted Chaos).

My new vote just went to Necro's.

Mordredd - Jan 14, 2004 - 04:48 AM
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If there are going to be 2 teams will they be the top 2 from this pole, or will there be yet another pole to select the second?

Melifaxis - Jan 14, 2004 - 08:19 AM
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If there are two teams, then I guess we could use the 2nd place vote recipient as a starting point and then go from there. It's probably worth validating the choice at that time though.

BlanchPrez - Jan 14, 2004 - 01:25 PM
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I voted for necromantics.

Chris

aerofool - Jan 14, 2004 - 01:39 PM
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Decisions, Decisions! I like the possibilities of each.

Melifaxis - Jan 15, 2004 - 01:09 PM
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Looks like the Norse are running away with it....

When should we declare a winner? 01/31?

Tutenkharnage - Jan 15, 2004 - 02:15 PM
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A coach in our league has converted many of the plastic Warhammer Marauders for use in his Norse team. The effects are really good. I plan to use some of these models in my own team's "fan stands."

-Chet

Old_Man_Monkey - Jan 15, 2004 - 02:34 PM
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I think end of the month is fine, Mel.

SkinkFury - Jan 15, 2004 - 03:16 PM
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Seems fine. Any more 2003 figs show up yet?

Djengis_kahn - Jan 16, 2004 - 10:09 AM
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jup end of the month is good !!

Melifaxis - Jan 16, 2004 - 10:42 AM
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Tutenkharnage wrote:

I keep meaning to buy a regiment of those to complete my Norse team. Every time I'm in the GW store I forget. Rolling Eyes

aerofool - Jan 19, 2004 - 10:01 AM
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One quick question...

Are we going to attempt to get a few free minis to hand out like the last team or are we going to wind up having everyone supply their own? Since finances are tight for me atm... that may have a huge to do with what I can contribute. Either way I do intend to do my part with this team!

Melifaxis - Jan 19, 2004 - 01:06 PM
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aerofool wrote:

I intend to ask Fanatic again, but can't speak for them. Our back-up plan is for the NAF to finance a box of minis, which looks likely to be approved (request has already been made).

Very Happy

Torpor - Jan 19, 2004 - 01:21 PM
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Another question for the crowd-
Should we be able to use non-GW figures or not?

If we do, the team might not be allowed at GW events (like the Blood Bowl). Just wanted to know what the ground rules were this go around. thanks,
-Torpor

Melifaxis - Jan 19, 2004 - 05:47 PM
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I think it's probably ok to use a few competitor's mini's. As most of them will be GW figures, there should be enough to field a 11-12 man squad if you go to a tourney with just GW figs.

Melifaxis - Jan 20, 2004 - 11:42 AM
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SkinkFury wrote:

Seems fine. Any more 2003 figs show up yet?

Sorry, didn't see that post... Embarassed

Nope, not yet. Soon I hope. I should finish up those extra 2 thralls this week to throw in that way there is one of each GW mini in the team. Twisted Evil

At the end of January we'll end the poll for the 2004 squad and start talking about colors, etc

Djengis_kahn - Jan 24, 2004 - 10:52 AM
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yeah..

I like the idea of a norse legacy team !!

go norse !! ( NOOO not you norse !!)

Melifaxis - Jan 27, 2004 - 12:50 PM
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Good, because they are still in the lead with 4 days to go Wink

Tojurub - Jan 30, 2004 - 10:56 AM
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Only a few more hours left to the poll deadline brings up the next question: How are we going about the color scheme? (As you can tell I have never participated in any Legacy team)

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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We just threw a few ideas around until we got some kind of consensus. If you've got an idea feel free to kick that discussion off (keeping in mind the Norse have to hold on for another day of voting). Very Happy

Tojurub - Jan 30, 2004 - 12:14 PM
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half a day Very Happy

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 12:15 PM
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33.75 hours here... Wink

Tackledummy - Jan 30, 2004 - 01:47 PM
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14.25 hours here Wink

Djengis_kahn - Jan 31, 2004 - 02:48 AM
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ok.. NORSE it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
any ideas for colourscheme??
I don't like the white/blue many people are painting norse.
what about something with green?

Colin - Jan 31, 2004 - 09:01 AM
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I know purple and gold might seem a bit too obvious (Minisota Vikings), but the colour sceme would work well.

Djengis_kahn - Jan 31, 2004 - 09:33 AM
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purple/gold would work pretty good I think...
maybe purple/orange/gold?
with purple/gold is just to little colour possibilities
on the otherhand, norse tend to have not many clothes so maybe its also good just purple/gold.

Aramil - Jan 31, 2004 - 09:43 AM
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Ok, I'm not in for the competition [I'm absolutely unable with paintings Embarassed

] but I would like to give some ideas for the color scheme...

What about purple and blue? So you have the purple from Minnesota Vikings and the blue for the "icy land" they come from Smile

The other thing I would like to to see in a Norse "well painted" team is the "white-snow"base Very Happy

I saw here in Italy a Norse team well painted with all the bases white painted, as to show the snow and the ice of Norsca.. and they were absolutely marvellous... in fact the team was called "Ice Breakers" Wink

I wish you a good work! Smile

Melifaxis - Jan 31, 2004 - 09:56 AM
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All entries are welcome regardless of painting skill level. You get better the more you paint Very Happy

I like the icy base idea and would like to see some bronze worked in, but other than that I'm pretty open on colors. Some good ideas thus far. Keep them coming Smile

Torpor - Jan 31, 2004 - 11:09 AM
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There are a number of ways to simulate snow. Everything from a Woodland Scenics shaker bottle of snow, which can be obtained at a model railroad shop to baking soda from your kitchen cabinet. Look to Indigo's Christmas goblin for inspiration in that department. So the idea of snow effect bases easy enough to achieve.
As for colours, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of white, brown or grey in there for any 'fur' sections. The thought of hot pink fur (we all have bottles of tentacle pink now, don't we... Very Happy

) leaves me a bit nauseous. Otherwise, most any colour combination works for me.

-Torpor

Tackledummy - Jan 31, 2004 - 11:43 AM
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I was thinking, what with the Olde Weirde's Incanabulum article in the last White Dwarf could we base the team off one of the Northern tribes? Maybe even one of the Orient inspired Cathay tribes or something? If anyone knows more about these tribes than is published in the article we could get colours from there, otherwise purple and white or purple and gold sounds interesting to me.

I also like the colours of the Phoenix Coyotes (Off white and Maroon) and the Minnesota Wild (Forest Green and Red) in the Ice Hockey.

Otherwise, other hockey teams with appropriate names are: Chicago Wolves (Black and Grey), Pensacola (Ice Blue and a dark Turquoise), Adirondack (Blended red to Orange with White), Indianapolis (Purple and White). Please excuse the Ice Hockey fascination, yes I know I have a problem. Also there are teams like the Minnesota Timberwolves (Green and Black from memory) that we could look at.

Tojurub - Jan 31, 2004 - 01:58 PM
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Living in Minnesota, but being a Packers Fan....I must say GOLD is a must. As for the other color options: I think any of the following three would make sense and is pleasing to the eye: DARK BLUE (like royal blue), PURPLE (like the Lakers {remember where they originated!!} or Vikings (tough one for me, but I can suffer), or RED (like velvet).

I have to agree with Torpor the furry parts should be BROWNISH/GREY...please no pink...I like Jesse Ventura, but not his boa!

And for the bases, I thought the ice-theme is a given....makes it very easy for me right now to visualize it, with -21F/-29C outside temperature with wind chill:-41F,C!!!!

Torpor - Jan 31, 2004 - 02:21 PM
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I just compared the size of the small, clear flight base to a standard black slotta. It is a bit too large (3cm vs. 2cm diameter), but not beyond the realm of a simple grinding job, if you want to give a player the 'skating on ice' look. Either that or have one of the coaches ice fishing. Laughing

Plenty of time to experiment though.

-Torpor

(The large, clear flight base is worse proportionately to the big guy circular base --8cm vs. 4cm, but as I said before - a coach in a small hut ice fishing or having a team sauna for a dugout, it might work)

Melifaxis - Jan 31, 2004 - 04:50 PM
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I think I'll order one of these to convert into a thrower for the squad.

Colin - Jan 31, 2004 - 04:58 PM
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That would be cool, don't forget to get a round base. Wink

Djengis_kahn - Feb 01, 2004 - 03:28 AM
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sometimes the naf legacy team gets some mini's not?
maybe if we could get some marauder sprues..
They are pretty nice for norse conversions i think.
and plastic so maybe if more guys like me are interested in that we could "ask" for something like that.. or maybe buy some sprues with several peoples..

Megaleif - Feb 01, 2004 - 04:09 AM
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I really think the bases should be standardized this time, at least in as much as colour of the base ring.

KLK - Feb 01, 2004 - 08:35 PM
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I vote too. OK, I live far, but I'm a NAF member who wants to paint legacy figures!

mikeyc222 - Feb 02, 2004 - 09:53 AM
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ok, where do i sign up? never done a legacy team before but i always wanted to.

Melifaxis - Feb 02, 2004 - 11:27 AM
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I added you guys to the other thread, which has a list of interested NAF members.

crazylegs - Feb 02, 2004 - 01:15 PM
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Maybe this is a bit out there, but what about putting them in Tartan? I think that could make the team even more unique, because doing a tartan pattern on 20ish mini's would take forever, but just doing 1 wouldn't take long at all, and would really make them stick out...

As far as colors, I like the yellow idea, but not the purple, as these guys aren't going to be wearing much, I would think you'd want it to be a fairly bright color, so it sticks out more... maybe yellow with red accents?

maybe?

mikeyc222 - Feb 02, 2004 - 01:27 PM
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um, off the top of my head...no. but maybe that's just because i couldn't paint a pattern like that if my life depended on it. Cool

BlanchPrez - Feb 02, 2004 - 02:23 PM
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Of the scheemes mentioned so far, I like the purple/gold and green/red ideas.

Otherwise, I'm pretty open, really. Smile

Chris

mikeyc222 - Feb 02, 2004 - 03:21 PM
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i'm interested in the purple/gold scheme. i just did a red and brown norse team so i'm a little burnt out on red...but whatever.

crazylegs - Feb 02, 2004 - 08:55 PM
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The tartan thing was really just a thought to get some more input, as the discussion seemed to fairly one-sided towards purple/gold...

Green w/red sounds great to me. I think you just have to make it a light green (like goblin/scorpion if using citadel) because otherwise
(green + red + snowbases) = xmas elves on steroids...

EvilGit - Feb 03, 2004 - 02:08 AM
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i like the idea of tartan but don't have the ability to carry it out. in that case purple / white / gold would be a good choice as far as i'm concerned

aerofool - Feb 03, 2004 - 09:07 AM
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I'm not too picky on colors. I'll go with whatever wins the vote.

Melifaxis - Feb 03, 2004 - 10:28 AM
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What about just varying shades of blue..dark to light to add to the icy look/feel?

Did a quick google search too:
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikdyes.html

Excerpt:
"The chemical evidence of textiles from several different sites seems to point to a preponderance of particular colors appearing in particular areas: reds in the Danelaw, purples in Ireland, and blues and greens in Scandinavia proper (Walton 1988, 1 Cool

. This seeming preference could of course be explained by any number of variables--availability of dyestuffs, the differing site climates, or the sheer vagaries of archaeological discovery. However, although it is carefully hedged, there is a hypothesis in the scientific world that this might possibly reflect regional color preferences rather than archaeochemical factors. It is pleasant to think that this sort of "Viking heraldry" might have been practiced."

Tojurub - Feb 03, 2004 - 11:09 AM
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The tartan might look good on Scottish players, but on Norse???? Shocked

Melifaxis.....any idea about when we should come to a conclusion on the color scheme?

Tim - Feb 03, 2004 - 12:14 PM
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Most colors are fine, i would not go for gold, however. Every true Norse player would rather drown in beer (bought with the gold buttons) than wear any gold ...

I'm just finishing a Norse team in classic white / strong blue (enchanted-> lighting) / metal and it looks really ... well ... Northern. I did experiment with gold on the belts and it just looked wrong, so i dropped it.

Most important imo is that you don't do the helmets in metal (like the GW minis on the old box) but in a flat color with some helmet design to make them look more footballish (the horns don't help much here).

Melifaxis - Feb 03, 2004 - 12:16 PM
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EDITED as Tim posted while I was typing:

Well, if we want to work towards a July 31st deadline we have plenty of time. We do have to work out a few things before we can really get started though (color/colour scheme being one of them).

So far I have seen:
Off White / Maroon
Black / Grey
Ice Blue / Dark Turquois
Red to Orange / White
Purple / Gold
Purple / White
Dark Blue / Gold
Purple / Orange / Gold
Red / Gold
Light Green / Red
Tartan (cringe)
Varying Shades of Blue / Bronze
white / strong blue (enchanted-> lighting) / metal

We also need to nail down rules about participating/trading the team, and find out about the mini's themselves. After we have all that, folks can make an informed choice about participating.

Uniform bases sound great to me, but we brought this up last time and some felt that too many rules could take away from the fun.

Any other color combos?

Tackledummy - Feb 04, 2004 - 12:51 AM
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Well, in terms of uniform base, if we can keep it to something like 'Must have snow and must have the ring arounf the base painted black' would that do?

Indigo - Feb 04, 2004 - 02:29 AM
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I'd like to join this if there's still space...

mikeyc222 - Feb 04, 2004 - 07:24 AM
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Tackledummy wrote:

Well, in terms of uniform base, if we can keep it to something like 'Must have snow and must have the ring arounf the base painted black' would that do?

well, personally i don't like painting my bases black. i wouldn't really want to go any further than saying the bases must be snow covered(if we decide to go with a snow theme). but that's just me.

Melifaxis - Feb 04, 2004 - 07:43 AM
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Indigo wrote:

I'd like to join this if there's still space...

Of course, I added you to the list of names in the other thread Very Happy

Why don't we just say, bases should have some snow and leave it at that to leave people room for creative freedom. Last call for color schemes before I throw out a poll...

ForceCommander - Feb 04, 2004 - 07:53 AM
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Just getting back to this thread....stupid real life interupting my nerd-fu

Anyway, YAYYYY Norse! I'm working on a Human team using the Marauders sprue as a base, so I'm psyched about this one.

I like the idea of a white/blue/metal scheme...I'll have to practice to get my whites better.

I'd like to see the bases with some snow, and possibly painted light blue on the ring...tho that might be a bit much.

Are we using round or square bases, anyway?

I can't wait to see the color choice and the player assignment list Mr. Green

Djengis_kahn - Feb 04, 2004 - 10:21 AM
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Quote:

Are we using round or square bases, anyway?

round bases !!!!!!!!!!

blood bow = round bases !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool

mikeyc222 - Feb 04, 2004 - 10:45 AM
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yup
square bases, what are those?

howlinggriffon - Feb 04, 2004 - 11:25 AM
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Just a quick question here...

I like the idea of the icy scheme with blue and white but shouldn't the scheme feature the NAF colours of red, white and black? Or am I just being a thicky?

Ohh 2nd question actually - would the valkyrie models from http://www.phigsminiatures.com be okay to use?

Cheers

Howlinggriffon

Old_Man_Monkey - Feb 04, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, those Vals would be awesome!

BlanchPrez - Feb 04, 2004 - 12:16 PM
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The last legacy team was red, white and black, and while I had tons of fun painting that vampire, I would like a different colour scheme for this team. Just me. Smile

Those Val's are awsome... you know, a whole team of val's would be cool. Wink

Chris

mikeyc222 - Feb 04, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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i actually wanted to do one of the valkeries as a cheerleader for the NAF team. that's what i use now for my personal norse team and they fit right in. when i get enough valkeries for a whole team then my norse linemen will be cheerleaders for them. Cool

Torpor - Feb 04, 2004 - 01:02 PM
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howlinggriffon wrote:

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I like the idea of the icy scheme with blue and white but shouldn't the scheme feature the NAF colours of red, white and black?

I would like to see the NAF logo somewhere on the figures (a tattoo?), even the bases would be fine in my book, just to emphasize that this is a NAF project. As far as colours of the team, I agree that something other than red/black/white would be preferable. I don't think that you are being thick to suggest the colour scheme and I do believe that it should be one of the options that people could vote for, though I would not vote for it.

As for Phil's Valkyrie phigs - they are great models and if you would like to include one for the team go for it. Just post which one that you are doing so that others do not repeat the same miniature (phigure?).

Cheers,
Torpor

mikeyc222 - Feb 04, 2004 - 01:23 PM
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what i was thinking about for myself was getting in photoshop and shinking the actual NAF shield and printing out badge/patch size pieces and coat them with a thin layer of glue and see if i can make arm patches.

howlinggriffon - Feb 04, 2004 - 02:07 PM
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I like the NAF design as shown on the 2003 Legacy Team Thrall model that Traveller painted Smile

Anyway... I spotted this on the GW website - some tips on creating snow bases...

http://us.games-workshop.com/e-zine/current/5/default.htm

Cheers

Howlinggriffon

Tojurub - Feb 04, 2004 - 02:32 PM
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Frozen Tundra is a very good theme for this team....of course we don't have to use exactly what the website shows, but somewhere along these lines should be ok

As an idea for discussion: Somebody suggested to keep the ring of the base in the same color...why not use all 3 NAF colors....have vertical stripes and change the colors every 30 degrees (zebra look)...trying to keep the order of the colors the same for all minis.

Melifaxis - Feb 04, 2004 - 04:49 PM
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Great link howlinggriffon, thanks Very Happy

Wouldn't horizontal stripes be better Wink

howlinggriffon - Feb 05, 2004 - 05:36 AM
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And just in case anyone did want to vote for the tartan... *Shudder*

http://www.mordor.ch/swichert/miniatures/tutorial_tartan.html

I think the standard Norse model wouldn't have a large enough area of clothing to paint a tartan on it without it looking a bit weird. A plain colour that's shaded and highlighted would look better on smaller areas of clothing.

As for the colour of the base edge - why not leave them as an icy colour such as Space Wolf Grey as shown here :

http://us.games-workshop.com/download/IG_popup.htm?/games/40k/imperialguard/painting/troopcamo/images/large/ice2.jpg

That would leave the front area of the base clear to paint the team number of the figure - not all the Norse models have shoulder pads that can take a number.

Of course, if we were to go for the NAF colours, we should paint the top half of the base edge red and the bottom half in black and white stripes. I guess it wouldn't be too hard to paint... White undercoat on the edge, paint the red top half with a steady hand, then add the black stripes...

Don't worry - I'll be quiet now Smile

Howlinggriffon

mikeyc222 - Feb 05, 2004 - 07:18 AM
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i could live with the space wolves grey idea since we're going for an icy theme. the naf colors idea for bases though just makes me cringe...maybe because i can't freehand anything, but that's just me.

aerofool - Feb 05, 2004 - 08:36 AM
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The area around the bases should be the same. We can designate what color later.
As for the photoshop patch idea, I've tried it and it's real tricky to get working right. The ink may run or your print unclear... My biggest problem was the best paper to print on was too thick to conform to the areas I was planning to set the patches correctly. Just make sure to test it before attempting on a fully painted model. One mistake may lead you to starting over on the whole model itself!

ForceCommander - Feb 05, 2004 - 08:46 AM
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I think the frozen tundra from HowlingGriffon's link, with the Space Wolf grey ring would look sharp.

It might be a little easier to incorporate the NAF iconography in the support/coaching staff rather than the on-field team?

Tim - Feb 06, 2004 - 04:09 AM
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Here's the color scheme of my Norse team (not 100% finished):

Melifaxis - Feb 06, 2004 - 05:28 AM
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Those are amazing! How do you get the white so ...white

Grasshopper - Feb 06, 2004 - 08:30 AM
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Very Slick... I like it. And I'm actually using the same coolor scheme on another team. I like the Ogre... Is he doubling as a Mino? Smile

Did you use a grey base for the white? I'm using that for an Albino 'taur, and was jsut wondering. But again VERY NICE, and good photo... nice and crisp.

howlinggriffon - Feb 08, 2004 - 08:55 AM
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I reckon we should use the Heresy Miniatures minotaur for the team...

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/pages/hm001.htm

He could be ripping a ref in half Smile

Darkson - Feb 08, 2004 - 01:24 PM
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Only on a 4+ Wink

Colin - Feb 08, 2004 - 01:26 PM
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Is this team going to be tourny legal, or are non-GW figs going to be used??

howlinggriffon - Feb 08, 2004 - 01:53 PM
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I wouldn't think anyone would use this team in a GW tourney - you wouldn't get any points for painting it yourself Smile

Tim - Feb 09, 2004 - 07:43 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Those are amazing! How do you get the white so ...white

White undercoat Idea

also helps the blue be so blue Wink

Grasshopper - Feb 10, 2004 - 09:09 AM
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howlinggriffon wrote:

I reckon we should use the Heresy Miniatures minotaur for the team...

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/pages/hm001.htm

He could be ripping a ref in half Smile

Now THAT is freakin' impressive!!! Mr. Green