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twist - Mar 02, 2003 - 10:34 AM
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What happened? Who won? Someone inform us underpriviledged Blood Bowlers, please!!!
Indigo - Mar 03, 2003 - 01:46 AM
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The winner was a spanish guy, Marcos Ocana, and there are pics here:
http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4980
It was an absolutely fantastic weekend. I'm sure there are going to be loads more pics posted soon too...
For the record, I came 150th, which considering the level of the competition I played there ain't too bad. I have a lot to learn.... 
Geno - Mar 03, 2003 - 03:20 AM
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Well done Indigo, I came 122nd, and seeing as I predicted 75th - 125th I'm pretty happy with that. I too still have a lot to learn but I also learn't a hell of a lot over the weekend!
Indigo - Mar 03, 2003 - 03:35 AM
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me too - I play in a league that only has about 4 different races, and everyone uses similar tactics, so it was a real eye opener to see some of the strategies used against me. I'm going to take some of the formations back to my league tomorrow and use them against the others... should see me maintain my lead at the top!!
at least I got one victory, which was all the more sweet as it was against my bogey team.... the undead! I f**king hate 'em!!!
coachblacknife - Mar 03, 2003 - 04:51 AM
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112th from Games Played, 107th on Grand Total. One more TD in any of those Draws and... next year, eh? Must go and have harsh words with old Hthark the double-1-in-every-game.
Heh.
Andy
Indigo - Mar 03, 2003 - 05:08 AM
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lol you can't compete with "human blitzer who rolls double skulls twice and triple skulls once" in the same match
currently for sale at -$10k
I'll pay him to leave my squad.
twist - Mar 03, 2003 - 05:37 AM
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LOL! Sounds like everyone who attended had a blast... Thanks for the info! I agree with you Indigo, it helps when you have a variety of opposition, there are so many different playing styles out there...
Congrats on your rankings!
Slinky78 - Mar 03, 2003 - 07:39 AM
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Had a fantastic weekend. Final record of 1-4-1. So I was pleased that despite being so inexperienced I had a 5 game unbeaten streak after game one. Bit disappointed that that translated to 139th place! But the points were geared to wins and not draws, which is fair enough - until your orcs refuse to get the winning score. I won't say I was unlucky, because on balance I probably wasn't, and it's the lamest excuse around. I'd just have rather the luck had distributed itself a bit differently so that it stopped screwing up my chance of the winning td! I don't mind a dead lineman, just let me have the 4+ throw (with re-roll) and 3+ catch once in a while please!! 
Moaning aside, I had a great time, good to be exposed to so many different teams and tactics. Coaching standard seemed very high (maybe it was just relative!). And meeting a lot of people, who were all really friendly. Can't wait to do it all again (if I can get a ticket).
Indigo - Mar 03, 2003 - 07:46 AM
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me too, and now I am on the hunt for more UK tournaments to go to! I've got the bug, and need to improve my ranking anyway
MattRobson - Mar 03, 2003 - 07:54 AM
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Hi All
I had a great time at my first tourney!!! came 97th with 2 - 2 - 2 
i was also one of the teams put forward for best represented team (mine were the orcs!) and was one behind the most Casualtys caused 
all in all it was a great weekend and i will be there next year for sure!! Big shout out to MR PORRITT and his skaven team, hope to c you all the next year!!!!!
Indigo - Mar 03, 2003 - 08:17 AM
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mate your team rocked! having similar newcastle allegiances, I was proud to see you flying the flag for us!
I had my "Neuberg Magpies" painted up in toon colours too, but they were somewhat less successful
Tim - Mar 03, 2003 - 02:32 PM
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Howdy,
i must say .... it was GREAT! 
Very well organized, lots of nice coaches playing mostly for the fun of the game. I really expected more bitching and discussing, but i had not a single opponent calling an illegal procedure or similar crap.
I had 6 very different games against 6 different races, 3 wins, 2 losses (one by 1, one by 2 touchdowns) 1 draw. Became 57th total.
There was a special seminar for NAF members where Jervis gave a preview of some of the new teams. I gotta say ... SAVE YOUR MONEY! There wasn't a single mini in the presentations that wasn't at least very good. Most of them are just great ... pictures should pop up here or on TBB soon.
CU,
Tim.
Darkson - Mar 03, 2003 - 05:55 PM
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Matt, and other coaches who missed the announchment, ignore the ranking numbers on the sheet next to your name, someone at GW screwed by the spreadsheet. Your final posistion is the number you count down the sheet (47 to a page) so Matt, you came 95th.
I had a great time, with a W2/D1/L3 record, 97th overall, but I had a laugh all the way through, with only one coach who was taking it a bit to "seriously".
Matt, by the way, I'm Simon, your opponent in the last round. Thanks for the game, it was the most enjoyable game I've played, even though I only finished with 2 players. I don't think I've ever laughed at my players demise so much. 
Hope to see you next year, either in the tournament proper, or for a friendly.
My only critism, I didn't have enough varierty, as I faced 3 Orcs, 2 CD's and an undead team. Playing Skaven, I'd have liked to have faced another Skaven team, or a Woodie, or even Halflings, but hey, can't have it all. Maybe next year. 
ohiohuskies - Mar 03, 2003 - 07:30 PM
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oh right...thought the positions looked a bit crap.
i finished 43rd then, on 22 points. Pretty pleased considering I played 1 half of a game the sunday before (previous to that about 6 years ago I last played...!!!).
anyway had a good time and looking forward to next year.
Thadrin - Mar 03, 2003 - 11:17 PM
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You'd have thought that a one-loss record would translate to a better placing than down in the 140s wouldn't you? Thems the breaks though. 4 draws will do that to you.
I think Slinky, Matt and myself did each other no favours by going through tough, hard fought draws with each other. Also had it proved to me that when a lizard team gets the dice rolling well there's no stopping them, and that three treemen can make even a game against Halflings a tricky proposition for a slowarsed dwarf team.
Great weekend from which I am evry thankful I have a free morning to recover (got home at 10 last night). Thanks to Tim, Steve and Paul, my opponents, the bearded s'not and ECBBL boys, and everyone else who was there. See you next year, or at the Spiky open if I can afford it, or wherever.
coachblacknife - Mar 04, 2003 - 02:50 AM
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The points were slanted towards the win, so any team that could win heavily (or even, say 4-3) is rated higher than one who grinds a 1-0. Still can't figure Darkson's 2-1-3 rating higher than my 2-2-2, unless he got 2 Sportsmanship points... ? Must say i'm amazed you played 2 CD's though as there were only three (including myself - who you didn't play!) that I could see.
My games were: HElf, Undead, Orc, Chaos, Orc, Undead - only used Tackle against Luthor really!
Grumbledook - Mar 04, 2003 - 03:32 AM
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Well he must have scored more tds than you and were your 2 losses 1 point ones. I know darkson had one 1 point loss cause i gave it to him ;]
Also I think there were at least 6 chaos dwarf teams, obv i got the highest placing of them.
Trambi - Mar 04, 2003 - 03:40 AM
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2-1-3 110th 
but a great week end and my first visit of Warhammer World
Slinky78 - Mar 04, 2003 - 06:20 AM
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Turning the draws into wins really was the key. Maybe next time after some practice.
I agree Thadrin (beer on saturday has erased all real names from memory...) our little clump of players who kept grinding out tough draws against each other didn't exactly propel us up the rankings. But pleased to see I wasn't the only one to find those halflings tough. Brian clearly knew what he was doing with them, and three trees on the line is not something to enjoy too much!
One of the best parts of the weekend was meeting so many familiar names and I thought the friendliness on and off pitch was excellent.
Shame about the coin....
Thadrin - Mar 04, 2003 - 06:27 AM
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Brian deserved a MUCH better placing than he got. Very able coach. His "am I gonna run the ball or toss the halfling" tactics had me in fits on defence.
Marcus - Mar 04, 2003 - 06:49 AM
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coachblacknife wrote:
The points were slanted towards the win, so any team that could win heavily (or even, say 4-3) is rated higher than one who grinds a 1-0.
Ian suggested during the Q&A that it be rated on net TDs, not gross TDs. That brings scorelines from Dwarven coaches and slower teams back into perspective. A 2-0 win will stand you in better stead than scraping in a 4-3 win.
I've seen a lot of posts around saying "I didn't do that badly and look where I came!" The fact of the matter is that there were 175 players all going for the cup. The bigger the tournament, the less useful it is just to keep from losing, you have to go for the big wins. Often that involves taking some risks and not just playing for the draw, but Nuffle favours the bold.
I think ranking players on net touchdowns would be more useful. It wouldn't disadvantage slower teams as much but would still reward the big wins.
skummy - Mar 04, 2003 - 06:52 AM
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Touchdown differential is one of the main tiebreakers in our league's current tournament. It seems to be a good way to keep teams playing hard.
Thadrin - Mar 04, 2003 - 08:59 AM
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I think the answer is having a base score for win-draw loss and bonus points for scoring/defence.
Win =5, draw=2, Loss=0
Hold opponent to less than 2 TDs=+2 points
Score at least 2 TDs=+2 Points
A blow out loss is 0. A tight loss will generally get you two. A draw 4 points, a tight win 7, and a real pounding 9. Either way, everyone is forced to be good at either offence or defence, while the guys who are good at both are on top, regardless of race played. A dwarf team winning 2-0 earn the same.
There's probably an easier way to express this, but I'm at work and feeling a cold coming on (one of you gits infected me dammit!)...
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 04, 2003 - 09:18 AM
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Here's what we have been doing over here:
Win: 50
Draw: 30
Loss: 20
Win by two or more: +10
Lose by one: +10
Cause the most casualties: +10
Marcus - Mar 04, 2003 - 09:35 AM
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The WPS uses a rather complex system that takes into accounts net TDs, casualties, clean sheets, etc. works out reasonably well and develops a fair bit of granularity.
I think the BB system would work alright with Net TDs. I'm generally against adding casualties to the mix because, IMO, it's just about how many times you roll 10+ on an injury roll.
I'd be interested to run a few alternate scoring systems over the BB results....
Thadrin - Mar 04, 2003 - 09:45 AM
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That's Woody's thing isn't it?
Problem there is we're hindered by not knowing how many of the two point gains were 1 TD losses and how many were ties.
(desperately trying to stay objective here 
)
MattRobson - Mar 04, 2003 - 11:40 AM
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At the BB i played against geof porritts Skaven 3-1 Loss, Orcs (the one who had Varag AND Morg !!) 1- 0 loss (very close) Thadins Dwarfs 1 - 1 Draw ( very hard match) german guys Halflings 3 - 1 WIN (killed his tree man and all but 4 halflings) skaven (again) 3 - 0 (i think) WIN (again killed lots of rats, poor guy kept fluffin rolls ) and darksons skaven 2 -2 Draw Very funny match prob my fave of the tourney , and yes Mate next year we will have a re-match!!!!
Thadrin - Mar 04, 2003 - 01:03 PM
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MattRobson wrote:
Thadins Dwarfs 1 - 1 Draw ( very hard match)
I'll take that as a compliment
I think it was such a tough match because neither of us could put a dent in the other's team and so there were never any gaps to exploit.
Hope there'll be a rematch at some stage.
GalakStarscraper - Mar 04, 2003 - 01:15 PM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Here's what we have been doing over here:
Win: 50
Draw: 30
Loss: 20
Win by two or more: +10
Lose by one: +10
Cause the most casualties: +10
This is the system I'm definitely going to use at GenCon Anthony if you can get the boys down here to defend the Canadian honor.
I think I've just about got the prizes lined up also and GenCon has confirmed that the tournament is a go.
And Marcus ... I don't really have a problem with give 10 points to the team with the most casualties. If you keep having Blow out wins (2+ TDs) and always lose the Cas war, you'll bring in 60 points a game to your oponent's 30. That's still a pretty larger win margin on points.
Galak
Darkson - Mar 04, 2003 - 02:10 PM
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MattRobson wrote:
and darksons skaven 2 -2 Draw Very funny match prob my fave of the tourney , and yes Mate next year we will have a re-match!!!!
I'll hold you to that. Maybe next year I'll keep 3 players on the pitch
Darkson - Mar 04, 2003 - 02:12 PM
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Grumbledook wrote:
Well he must have scored more tds than you and were your 2 losses 1 point ones. I know darkson had one 1 point loss cause i gave it to him ;]
Of my 3 losses, only 1 of them was a "big" loss (thanks 'Dook ), so you could say my record (for scoring purposes) was W2/D3/L1.
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 04, 2003 - 02:23 PM
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I like the casualty bonus, I think it helps out the strength teams that can't generally get the blow-out bonus.
MattRobson - Mar 04, 2003 - 04:32 PM
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i think the cas bonus is great maybe a bit to good, i caused 20 cas and scored 9 TD, with 2 - 2 - 2 and got to position 95 my friend caused 3 cas 10 TD with 2 - 2 -2 and got position 115!?!
Doubleskulls - Mar 05, 2003 - 03:01 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
Here's what we have been doing over here:
Win: 50
Draw: 30
Loss: 20
Win by two or more: +10
Lose by one: +10
Cause the most casualties: +10
Why not just make it 5-3-2 with +1 bonuses?
Trambi - Mar 05, 2003 - 03:17 AM
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I agree, it's exactly the same ...
Sandals - Mar 05, 2003 - 06:25 AM
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Hi All!
I actually played you Indigo in the last game - Saints Vs Newcastle! typically it was a draw!
I thought it was a fantastic weekend and I came out of it with 1-3-2 which I think wasn't bad!
Starbold - Mar 05, 2003 - 06:52 AM
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Well I managed two wins, three draws and a loss (by 1, although it should have been more!).
Had a great weekend and can't wait to do it again sometime.
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 05, 2003 - 09:13 AM
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Why not just make it 5-3-2 with +1 bonuses?
It'sd because painting and sportsmanship are worth between 1 and 10 points, sorry should have written that part out.
Indigo - Mar 05, 2003 - 09:46 AM
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Sandals wrote:
Hi All!
I actually played you Indigo in the last game - Saints Vs Newcastle! typically it was a draw!
I thought it was a fantastic weekend and I came out of it with 1-3-2 which I think wasn't bad!
Heh that was a cracking game, especially the last play. Trust me to make all the hard rolls then fail the 3+ dodge... I'd have scored then 
ohiohuskies - Mar 05, 2003 - 06:00 PM
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hey...i went to the bloodbowl and all i got was a lousy coin...bugger
coachblacknife - Mar 06, 2003 - 02:40 AM
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Hey you could have gone to [insert any other Grand Tourney] and got nothing 
Try coming last next time, Tom's wooden spoon was a copy of The LotR:TTT boxed game. Not bad!
Squiggoth - Mar 06, 2003 - 04:04 AM
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Indigo wrote:
The winner was a spanish guy, Marcos Ocana, and there are pics here:
http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4980
It was an absolutely fantastic weekend. I'm sure there are going to be loads more pics posted soon too...
For the record, I came 150th, which considering the level of the competition I played there ain't too bad. I have a lot to learn....
Ey, I clicked on that link... and it worked! I'm at talkbloodbowl.com for the first time in 4 months!
Big kiss for Indigo, even though he hates Chaos Dwarves...
Martijn
Indigo - Mar 06, 2003 - 04:13 AM
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what can I say, except that you should all praise me as the rescuer of TBB and the game in general
not that I have a swollen ego after getting kisses from orc hookers...
pastaga - Mar 06, 2003 - 05:06 AM
Post subject: statistics results by races ?
Does somebody know where I can find the result by races ?
I want to understand with this system (team constant + 1 skill / match ) if :
- faster team
- star players team
are favourable
tx
Squiggoth - Mar 06, 2003 - 05:50 AM
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Indigo wrote:
not that I have a swollen ego after getting kisses from orc hookers...
"Ego"? Us dutch have another word for that piece of meat
And there's nuffink wrong wiv Orc 'Ookaz, they is sexy!
Indigo - Mar 06, 2003 - 06:22 AM
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cheers mate, I had enjoyed my lunch 
EvilGit - Mar 06, 2003 - 06:30 AM
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well i thought that it was about time that i posted my results somewhere so here goes.
TEAM: Green Bay Lunchpackers (Halfling)
RECORD: won 1 lost 5 (yes i won a game)
POSITION: 165th
played 2 dwarf teams (one of which i beat), 2 amazons, an orc and a human team. didn't do too badly with the little guys and had a great couple of days. now have to deside which team to go for next.
Cheers to everyone i met and played against and look forward to meeting up again soon at the next tourney.
evil git
MattRobson - Mar 06, 2003 - 02:43 PM
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Ive already started my team for next year!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Its gonna be Humans...er and ive glued one guy to his base ...and.... well ive got a year
Trambi - Mar 06, 2003 - 04:21 PM
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here are the pictures took by L_Dauguet :http://trambi.free.fr/english/gallery/bb2003.php
Darkson - Mar 06, 2003 - 04:32 PM
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Evil Git 1 - made it at last then
Madzit - Mar 07, 2003 - 02:09 PM
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It was my first tournament, and I had a fantastic time. The best bit was actually losing my first game - I was so nervous (and almost overwhelmed) at the start that I kept forgetting to breath - losing (quite badly) helped me to relax and start enjoying myself.
OK, confession time. I came in 93rd, and won 2 games. My problem is that they were against Halflings and Goblins. Should I be happy or embarrased? (actually, now I think about it, I did allow them to score three TDs against me.... I think I'll go for the embarrassed option).
Did any one else feel a bit cramped?
Cheers
(TEAM: The Crookback Cripplers - Skaven)
Snake_Eyes - Mar 07, 2003 - 05:13 PM
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Hi, first of all, I went with 4 friends to the turney and we enjoyed it all!
So you will see us next year again ...
I came out 78th (yea, my goal was to be in the first half of players!).
My record: 3W/1D/2L
As I was playing High Elfes (Greifental Dragons) that is not too bad I think.
Is there a chance of getting a list with how many teams of each race were playing?
I know that there was at least another HE team because it was on display, but how many else ...
Greetings
Longshot - Mar 10, 2003 - 02:42 AM
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Evil Git1, are you german?
Mad Zit1, are you the guy i played at the last game (remenber the usefull kick skill?)?
Anyway, hello to you both!
1Loss(my 2Wardancers were injured after the first turn..)
3 Draws (2 i might have won with a little more luck)
2 Wins (that i should have won with one less TD)
ended 92nd..
EvilGit - Mar 10, 2003 - 07:08 AM
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longshot - i'm not german just bad at spelling english (you'd never have thought it was my first language. oh well. i played l_dauguet in the 5th game.
darkson - well it was about time i lowered the tone around here with my usual nonsensical stuff.