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Mestari - Mar 04, 2003 - 01:58 AM
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I'm planning of taking Chaos Dwarves to my first NAF tournament, and I've been thinking of the setup.
Perhaps:
2 Bulls
5 Dwarves
4 Hobgobs
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770K
and 3 Rerolls, 8 FF OR 4 Rerolls, 3FF OR 3 Rerolls, 3FF, Apoth
I've already almost decided, but I'm willing to listen to what people think...
The tournament is 3 matches, injuries are healed after each game. One skill after each game. Otherwise pure LRB.
spree - Mar 04, 2003 - 04:41 AM
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Just a 3 match tournament? I'd drop the FF and get an extra Hobgob:
2 Bulls
5 Dwarves
5 Hobgobs
3 RR
4 FF
SBG - Mar 04, 2003 - 09:01 AM
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What about this :
2 BC - 260 K
6 CD - 420 K
4 HG - 160 K
3 RR - 150 K
4 FF - 40 K
Total - 1 000 K
Winning the tourney : Priceless
Fred
Mestari - Mar 06, 2003 - 05:32 AM
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Concordia:
mathematical skills : priceless 
As your roster costs 1 030K - so it should have 1FF.
A three-match tournament as it is only a one-day event. I'll have to see what I'm going to take...
SBG - Mar 06, 2003 - 09:37 AM
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You're damn right Mestari !
I'll go and hide for the next century or so... 
Seriously, if you ever see me pop-up at a tourney, would you please check my roster !
Fred
Squiggoth - Apr 02, 2003 - 05:37 AM
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Still I'd opt for your roster, Fred - who needs FF when you can also have 6 Chaos Dwarfs?
Martijn
SBG - Apr 02, 2003 - 08:19 AM
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Thanks Squiggoth!
For a tourney where "magical healing" takes place, I think that FF is overrated...
Fred
Valen - Apr 02, 2003 - 10:04 AM
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Defiantley your roster Fred,
I may use that as I am toying with the idea of taking Chaos Dwarves too the Bearded Snot in May.
Gavin
SBG - Apr 02, 2003 - 01:51 PM
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Valen-S wrote:
Defiantley your roster Fred,
I may use that as I am toying with the idea of taking Chaos Dwarves too the Bearded Snot in May.
Gavin
Tell me how it goes Valen !
By the way, Nice HE on the Avatar, good paint job !
Fred
SBG - Apr 02, 2003 - 01:53 PM
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Oups !
I'm repeating myself Valen ( your Avatar is so striking that I post comments about it at two places !)
Sorry !
Fred
Valen - Apr 02, 2003 - 03:41 PM
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I think it is very nice!
I tried out your roster with a slight variation tonight, I took a Mino instead of one of the BC's.
It didn't work out, I lost 2-0 too a Norse team.
Squiggoth - Apr 03, 2003 - 03:45 AM
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Concordia wrote:
Thanks Squiggoth!
For a tourney where "magical healing" takes place, I think that FF is overrated...
Fred
And I think so too. Just don't look at my signature
Even though I blame it all on loaded dice!
Martijn
Squiggoth - Apr 03, 2003 - 03:46 AM
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Valen-S wrote:
I think it is very nice!
I tried out your roster with a slight variation tonight, I took a Mino instead of one of the BC's.
It didn't work out, I lost 2-0 too a Norse team.
Duh - when having the choice between a minotaur and a bull centaur, choose the bull centaur. They're worth their weight in warpstone!
Martijn (been trampled by bull centaurs often enough!)
snew - Apr 03, 2003 - 05:07 PM
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I'd go with 4 re rolls. The complete lack of ball handling skills is going to make you wish you had.
Mestari - Apr 03, 2003 - 11:18 PM
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I've been toying around with the idea and played a few practice matches and this is my current suggestion:
1 BC - 130 K
1 Troll - 100K
5 CD - 350 K
4 HG - 160 K
4 RR - 200 K
1 FF - 10 K
1 Apoth 50K
Total - 1 000 K
The troll is a useful feature, as long as accompanied by an "assistant brain". It gives the opponent something big to focus on and can easily arrange those 2D blocks when need be. MB comes in handy too.
The apothecary should help me keep 11 players on the pitch, thus removing the need for the 12th player. Also - rather save a BC from being injured than have one extra hobgob. 4 rerolls should be sufficient.
Valen - Apr 04, 2003 - 02:07 AM
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I think I will stick too my tried and trusted High Elves for the Bearded Snot!
Chaos Dwarves can't pass the ball!!!!!!!
Squiggoth - Apr 04, 2003 - 06:00 AM
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Valen-S wrote:
Chaos Dwarves can't pass the ball!!!!!!!
Who needs passing play when there's a Bull Centaur holding the ball? 
Valen - Apr 04, 2003 - 06:49 AM
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He has too pick it up first, which I had problems with!
Melifaxis - Apr 04, 2003 - 07:41 AM
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That's what your re-rolls are for, and then you give him sure hands after the first match 
Valen - Apr 04, 2003 - 07:56 AM
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Not block?
Melifaxis - Apr 04, 2003 - 08:55 AM
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Block is the other way I could go. I guess it depends on whether or not you're allowed to stack skills on the same player or if you have to distribute them evenly after each match.
Valen - Apr 04, 2003 - 09:14 AM
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If I did go with them I would probably use one of my hobgoblins too pick up the ball and my bull centaurs for fighting!
Melifaxis - Apr 04, 2003 - 12:03 PM
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But the bulls are so fast 
Valen - Apr 04, 2003 - 01:40 PM
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I just think using a ST4 player as a ball handeler is a waste!
skummy - Apr 04, 2003 - 01:51 PM
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Try playing a 3 strength team against someone who does use their ballcarrier this way! Playing defence against this is a nightmare for any predominantly 3 strength team. It's one reason I always suggest 3 strength team needs to have Dauntless whenever possible.
snew - Apr 04, 2003 - 01:52 PM
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You might but I don't. Not everyone leaves enough guys back. With ST4 your opponent needs to get 2 guys on him to get a 1 die block. With the 9 MV of the BC, he's going to have a hard time doing that. It's almost like he's carrying his own assist with him. You can't beat that.
SBG - Apr 05, 2003 - 11:50 AM
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I use one of my 2 BC as a ball carrier (got lucky and rolled double, so he has Catch, on top of Break Tackle and Block !) and he's a nightmare for the opposition!
My other BC has Block and Strip Ball, as I use him more defensively. What do you think should be his next skill ? I'm hesitating on 3: Guard, Mighty Blow and Break Tackle. On double, either Dodge or Stand Firm. What do you think ?
Fred
skummy - Apr 05, 2003 - 02:02 PM
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I'd go for Break Tackle. That way, your opponent will always have to account for him.
kjonesin - Apr 06, 2003 - 01:28 PM
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all of your starting rosters seem strange to me, you have to remember the advantages the Hats have over other teams - namely a dead-hard front line, cheap and expendable hobgobs and a nasty blitzer in the Bull Centaur.
i took Chaos Dwarves to both the Pandemonium and Orion Cup this year, just ask Anthony how i did in those. 
my roster for Pandemonium wasn't really geared to winning, but nevertheless here it is: (note - star players were not allowed in this tourney)
1 Bull Centaur
5 Blockers
6 Hobgoblins
4 Rerolls
8 Fan Factor
this gives you some staying power (having 12 guys plus lots of av9 and block), some ball-handling with plenty of rerolls, and a Bull Centaur to crack cages and generally be a nuisance. Fan Factor is a bit of a mystery still, you want it, and it can really help you, but is it worth 'weakening' your roster?
Here's what i took to the Orion Cup:
1 Bull Centaur
6 Blockers
6 Hobgoblins
3 Rerolls
6 Fan Factor
Plenty of staying power with 13 guys and six dwarves, decent fan factor, especially since everyone else's will be only one or two. I was also blessed in the second game with an AG+, which i gave to a hobgoblin. it saved my bacon on one or two occasions.
Skills: take block for the BC and Dirty Player for a hobgoblin. Foul early, foul often. The fact that i could foul aplenty and not worry about being kicked out (having 13 guys) meant i had a huge advantage over the smash-heavy Orc teams with 11 players, as well as the dodgy teams like Skaven and Elves. Once the dwarves (tackle is lovely) had brought them down, the dirty hobgob could finish them off. it was a really handy combination. only having three rerolls isn't much of a problem with 6 fan factor (especially with so much Block) since you can win some with cheering fans. also, if you have +5 or 6 to the roll... hope for the pitch invasion or thrown rock... very handy at the right time.
Chaos Dwarves have a lot of advantages in a short tournament, probably why they're doing so well in the Naf rankings right now.
kjonesin - Apr 06, 2003 - 01:28 PM
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whoa... that post was a whole lot longer than i thought it would be.
smeborg - Apr 06, 2003 - 10:14 PM
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How about:
1 BC
6 CD
6 HG
4 RR
1 FF
Something close to this has already been suggested.
And I'd recommend giving the BC Break Tackle as soon as eligible.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Smeborg the Fleshless
Mestari - Apr 08, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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I'm not sure about the high amount of players being an asset... I think I'll rather try my chances with the apothecary - he can cure the occasional casualty AND additionally keep the player on pitch. Rookie teams lack the strength skills to cause much more damage than that (except by a stroke of luck) so I should fair pretty well.
I can understand the high amount of players in a league setting, but in a tournament setting I would like to maximise the capability that I can squeeze simultaneously to the pitch.
5 CD's should be sugfficient and with the troll they should for a formidable front line. The occasional help from the BC and the hobgobs should complete the picture. I'll see how the team succeeds...
kjonesin - Apr 08, 2003 - 05:04 PM
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if you have extra players, you can foul more. fouling is the single most effective way to get rid of players, esp. with a dirty player. although i do like the idea of having a troll, and you're right, 5 blockers should be enough, but having an extra player or two really helps.
coachblacknife - Apr 15, 2003 - 03:37 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:
Still I'd opt for your roster, Fred - who needs FF when you can also have 6 Chaos Dwarfs?
Martijn
Fan Factor affects one in four kick-offs. Thinking about it i'd go for a 5 or 6 FF as that's going to be greater than most Tourney teams.
snew - Apr 15, 2003 - 08:49 AM
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At 50K a piece that 6 FF will cost you a Re-roll which is far more useful than the piece of mind you'll have knowing that you've got knowing you've got Pitch Invasion, Throw a rock, or Cheering Fans in the bag.