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North America - Death Bowl 2504 - October 16th & 17th - Montreal, Quebec
CyberHare - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:15 PM
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House Rulez is pleased to once again this year host the one and only Death Bowl. Building off of the success of last years event this year promises to be even better.
If you would like complete tournament information or check out the rules please visit the Official Death Bowl Tournament website.
This year we have a brand new stadium for the top coaches to play on. Built into the active funnel of a volcano, Phantom Field is not for the weak of heart or soul. To my knowledge it is the first and only glass blood bowl pitch.
Attendee's to this years event will recieve a special limited edition figure that will only be given out as a attendance prize at two tournaments, the Death Bowl and CamCarnage.
Of course every coach will get a chance to play a round of Death Bowl during the final round. Coaches will also get the chance to try a round of Blood Bowl 7's during the 4th round of play. Check out the Tournament Rules section for more information about these rounds.
Work has continued on the Death Bowl Legacy Trophy. This year could be your chance to lift it in the air in victory.
Lunch on both days is included in the entry price. There may also be tournament t-shirts available if there is interest. Let me know if you'd be interested in purchasing a tournament t-shirt.
Confirmed attendee's thus far:
Brian St.James - (CyberHare) - NAF
Rene Roy - NAF
Brian Layne - NAF
Ryan Ash - NAF
Billy Zavos - NAF
Steve Lalancette - (Zombie) - NAF
Roderick Davidson - (Clan-Skaven) - NAF
Dan Tibodeau - (Will sign up for NAF at the event)
Ben Tusim - (Ben) - NAF
Possible attendee's thus far:
Melifaxis
KarlLagerbottom
GKen1
Twist
Spazzfist
Honeycomb Kid
SBG
Bud
Zombie - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:22 PM
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No T-shirt for me, thanks.
Any news on those black arm bands? Think you can find one for me?
KarlLagerbottom - Aug 24, 2004 - 05:06 PM
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Bryan-
I can see that you have put in a CRAZY amount of work into this. I am certainly going to try and be there and will want a T-Shirt either way.
-Rob
P.S. By the way...are there any special rules to simulate how the volcano might effect the game?
CyberHare - Aug 24, 2004 - 06:42 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
I can see that you have put in a CRAZY amount of work into this. I am certainly going to try and be there and will want a T-Shirt either way.
Thanks Rob. It's not over yet. I'll probably have that stadium finished the night before the event 
That's two votes for t's, anyone else interested?
KarlLagerbottom wrote:
P.S. By the way...are there any special rules to simulate how the volcano might effect the game?
Nothing more than the optical tricks it'll play on you as the plasma light dances below the glass. The aim is to give a fair experience for everyone. Special rules would end up helping/hurting certain teams and that's definetly not the aim.
Melifaxis - Aug 25, 2004 - 05:27 AM
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T-shirt= Hell Yeah 
kwailung - Aug 25, 2004 - 09:44 AM
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Even though I can't come, HELL YEAH on the T-shirts from me as well. Just make sure you offer them in "gamer sizes" -- I take a 3X. In fact, I'll probably need two -- one for my girlfriend as well.
Zombie - Aug 25, 2004 - 01:04 PM
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Does she need a "gamer's girlfriend size"?
CyberHare - Aug 25, 2004 - 02:00 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Does she need a "gamer's girlfriend size"?
Well from what I saw at Gencon that would be a very sexy baby-doll t.
BUD - Aug 25, 2004 - 03:13 PM
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well... it doesn't look promising that I'll be able to make it to the Deathbowl this year, just starting up a job and I'm gonna have to work the friday to sunday of the weekend of the tournament, so it looks like it'll be 2005 before I can finally clame my axe.
BUD - Aug 25, 2004 - 03:14 PM
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ahem... *claim
Zombie - Aug 25, 2004 - 03:21 PM
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Damn! And here i was looking forward to that revenge match!
Oh well, there's always the Spike! I hope we'll face off there.
CyberHare - Aug 25, 2004 - 03:50 PM
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Well it seems that a fair amount of you are interested in t-shirts. That's great as I would love to get some made up. Anyone have any idea's as to what we want on it?
CyberHare - Aug 25, 2004 - 04:50 PM
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All right let's see if we can get a list going of the people who have intentions to attend the event. I'll start it off by saying that I'll be there. 
I'll post the names at the beginning of this thread.
Zombie - Aug 25, 2004 - 05:41 PM
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What, you don't count me as a confirmed attendee yet?
CyberHare - Aug 25, 2004 - 06:27 PM
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Now I do 
Sorry I just want to get confirmation from people before I add them too the list.
Clan_Skaven - Aug 25, 2004 - 08:31 PM
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Well you know I'm in, somebody has to play on the bottom table!
BUD - Aug 26, 2004 - 05:29 AM
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don't count me as a for sure, but don't count me out either... I'll let you know a lot closer to the tournament... but its probably a no...
CyberHare - Aug 26, 2004 - 05:56 AM
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Come on Dennis you know you want another shot at that title. Especially considering it was snatched away from you as it was last year. Where there's a will there's a way
BUD - Aug 26, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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its hard to go to montreal, play 6 games of BB and work 36 hours of work on the friday to sunday...
Melifaxis - Aug 26, 2004 - 12:50 PM
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Ah...what you need is a clone
kwailung - Aug 26, 2004 - 01:10 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Does she need a "gamer's girlfriend size"?
Oh absolutely. I love a woman with some meat on her bones.
Plus a woman who can kick most people's ass with her Dark Elf team.
CyberHare - Aug 26, 2004 - 03:29 PM
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Mel can I add your name to the list?
Melifaxis - Aug 27, 2004 - 10:45 AM
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As a potential attendee yes, but I'm not confirmed yet 
CyberHare - Aug 27, 2004 - 01:18 PM
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So where are the rest of the Toronto boys? Zombie they must be scared of you 
Zombie - Aug 27, 2004 - 01:19 PM
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More like they're scared of one another! If last year is any indication anyway...
twist - Aug 27, 2004 - 01:56 PM
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More like broke and not sure if I can afford it... But we'll see!
Zombie - Aug 27, 2004 - 02:01 PM
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Bah, the prizes alone should cover for the trip and the admission fees! Plus there's free pizza!
twist - Aug 30, 2004 - 02:11 AM
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Pizza?!?!? I'm in! LOL Well that and Bud isn't gonna stop me from getting to the top table this time...
Ben - Aug 30, 2004 - 11:10 AM
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you can count me in.
Melifaxis - Sep 13, 2004 - 10:44 AM
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Just over a month to go...
CyberHare - Sep 13, 2004 - 02:39 PM
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Ok I've got an update for all of you that I think you're going to like. I've gotten ahold of some pictures of the greens for the figs I'll be giving away to attendee's at the Deathbowl II. You can check them out here.
Remember that this fig will not be given out as a door prize at any other tournaments than Deathbowl II and Camcarnage II. If you want one you had better be there.
kwailung - Sep 13, 2004 - 04:04 PM
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Hey CH,
I know it's far from your first priority, but any decision yet on shirts?
CyberHare - Sep 13, 2004 - 07:35 PM
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I should hjopefully know something after the Spike this weekend about t-shirts
BUD - Sep 14, 2004 - 07:05 AM
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the pix don't work... atleast for me
CyberHare - Sep 14, 2004 - 12:33 PM
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here how about this..
BUD - Sep 14, 2004 - 01:42 PM
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that works
Spazzfist - Sep 23, 2004 - 05:58 AM
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Hey CH,
I plan on coming out to prove my mettle once again on the BB pitch! Maybe this time nobody will grease the game ball before the match!
<grumble grumble - stupid thrower must have been bribed - grumble grumble>
But at least this time I will have my voice back!
Put me done on the potential list as I still have to clear a couple of things.
Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Sep 23, 2004 - 09:25 AM
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Bribed? WHO...What?? ::looking around for NAF Official::
It wasn't me I tell ya!! But...If it had been me...(I'm arguing in the alternative here.)...I would have offered way more than three goblin teef for the thrower to "throw" the game.
-Rob
CyberHare - Sep 23, 2004 - 10:18 AM
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I've purchased a rather large wooden spoon for the last place trophy. I'll get some pictures of it up on the HR site as soon as I get a chance. Unlike the axe I'm going to let the last place person bring it home as long as they promis to come back the following year.
Ben - Sep 23, 2004 - 11:40 AM
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Brian, did you get my email? The first one i sent you came back to me.
CyberHare - Sep 23, 2004 - 07:03 PM
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email? No, but my server was on the fritz all morning.
Ben - Sep 24, 2004 - 11:24 AM
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Who needs to split a room at the Deathbowl?
Let me know
Ben
Clan_Skaven - Sep 24, 2004 - 02:29 PM
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Ben wrote:
Who needs to split a room at the Deathbowl?
Let me know
Ben
I do, any takers yet Ben?
Zombie - Sep 24, 2004 - 03:17 PM
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Clan-Skaven, did you get my PM?
Six_Foot_Dwarf - Sep 25, 2004 - 07:32 PM
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Oh, no worries about a few Torontonians being there. hehe There is a wrong to be righted.
Sadly, it looks like I may be playing Rats this time around...depending on if I can get my models stripped, converted, and painted in less than 3 weeks. If not, I'll have to suffer yet another tourney with Dwarves.
Actually you guys will do most of the suffering, but....muhahahaha
Zombie - Sep 25, 2004 - 08:38 PM
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You too? Ben has already announced that he'll also switch from a bashy team to skaven.
I've decided on my team a few months ago, but i'm still not telling. As the defending champion, i've got to keep at least one hidden card!
BUD - Sep 26, 2004 - 09:10 AM
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well, have no fear the Woodies are here! well, soon anyways...
SBG - Sep 27, 2004 - 12:31 PM
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OK Guys !
Count me in! And do the same with Buffalo Chris. We surely will bring our good friend (and new NAF member) Popol and maybe another one from our league.
Can we pay on site or we have to pay in advance (House-rulez is being blocke by websense, here, so I can't answer those questions myself, maudit verrat!)
Fred
CyberHare - Sep 27, 2004 - 02:30 PM
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Everyone will be paying on site so don't wory about it.
Bring as may people as you can. We have to make sure the title stays here in MTL!
KarlLagerbottom - Sep 27, 2004 - 03:06 PM
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The 'Flings are determined to heft the mighty axe at the end of the DeathBowl!!!
Ummm...however, that might startle the treemen...an no one wants to see a startled treeman!
Maybee the mighty SPOON will be ok...we'll see.
Zombie - Sep 27, 2004 - 03:10 PM
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My sister has a new boyfriend who used to play Blood Bowl and he also has a friend who loves the game. I'm trying to convince them to come to the tournament!
I've already talked a few people into coming in the past few weeks. Let's keep it going!
Hopefully we can make this the biggest North American tournament to date! All we need is 49 people...
CyberHare - Sep 27, 2004 - 03:24 PM
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Hmm 49 eh. well I had set the upper limit at a loose 40 and I've only made preperations for that many. I won't turn anyone away though and we'll make arrangements on the spot if that many actually show up. I'm not going to hold my breath though
As for the wooden spoon I've handed it off to last years wooden spoon recipiant and he'll be bringing it with him to the event. I like it almost as much as I like the axe... well ok not that much but it's a riot to have and talk about.
CyberHare - Sep 27, 2004 - 03:27 PM
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BTW for those of you who were interested in t-shirts I have the sad duty to inform that there won't be any this year. I've looked into it and spoken with some people who have already done it and I've decided to not do it this year. I'm sorry for anyone who had their heart set on getting one.
That said what I am going to try to do this week is get the artwork that I was going to use on the T up on the HR website. That way if anyone really really wants a death bowl T they can print one up themselves.
Sorry for the inconvenience all.
GalakStarscraper - Sep 27, 2004 - 04:53 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Hopefully we can make this the biggest North American tournament to date! All we need is 49 people...
That ribbing aside ... I hope Brian has a bigger turn out than last year and that everyone has a blast and let's me know how easy it is to play on etched glass.
Galak
Zombie - Sep 27, 2004 - 05:00 PM
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Hum, 71 might be a little tough! Who got 70? Last year's GenCon?
Let's aim for 39 then and be the top tournament in Canada!
Zombie - Sep 27, 2004 - 05:02 PM
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By the way Brian, if you need help organizing and it doesn't keep me from playing, you can count me in.
GalakStarscraper - Sep 27, 2004 - 05:07 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Hum, 71 might be a little tough! Who got 70? Last year's GenCon?
Yeah ... 2003 GenCon was 70 players. 2004 was 46. I think the Spike set the Canadian bar at 36 ... so take down the Spike first ... than I'll be only too happy if you guys take the NA title as well.
As OMM said ... only good things will happen for the hobby if tournaments grow.
Galak
Zombie - Sep 27, 2004 - 06:42 PM
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Spike! had 38.
Clan_Skaven - Sep 28, 2004 - 12:59 AM
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SPIKE was 38. Yes indeed!
If you go by Country's population, which Tourney had the most players per capita?
KarlLagerbottom - Sep 28, 2004 - 07:06 AM
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Rod-
I think that the Sewer Bowl in Skavenblight had the highest attendance per capita. Roughly 30,472,000 players attended and played to a draw. I'm not sure how it happened that way...but there it is. 
-Rob
Clan_Skaven - Sep 28, 2004 - 07:23 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Rod-
I think that the Sewer Bowl in Skavenblight had the highest attendance per capita. Roughly 30,472,000 players attended and played to a draw. I'm not sure how it happened that way...but there it is.
-Rob
Urrrrreeemmm, Ok??? Sure!
Ben - Sep 28, 2004 - 07:54 AM
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Hey Rod, anyone else coming from Niagara Falls to the Deathbowl?
Clan_Skaven - Sep 28, 2004 - 08:00 AM
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Ben as far as I know just me.
Rob (one of the guys at the SPIKE!) wants to go, but probably can't get the time off work, the other 3 from the SPIKE I think can not make it.
I have 2 rookie players who are interested, but there game speed isn't quite ready for tourney matches. (you know the rookie guys who take 10 min. turns sometimes!)
So probably just me, It would be nice if more was coming though!
CyberHare - Sep 28, 2004 - 12:38 PM
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Bring the rookies along. Someone has to be at the bottom. Better them than you Rod
Seriously though I have ways to make sure they move along. No one really took long to play last year and there are a few very slow players in my local league.
KarlLagerbottom - Sep 28, 2004 - 12:42 PM
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Brian-
I didn't realise that OMM was in your local league.
-Rob
P.S. Just kidding Jim...I need to goad you into playing me somehow.
Clan_Skaven - Sep 28, 2004 - 01:36 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Brian-
I didn't realise that OMM was in your local league.
-Rob
P.S. Just kidding Jim...I need to goad you into playing me somehow.
NICE! LOL! 
(Mental note to self: Don't piss off the NAF Treasurer too much, or I may find my Membership renewal cost mutiplied ten fold! )
Melifaxis - Sep 28, 2004 - 02:30 PM
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Even if it was, I bet some local folks would pay it for you just to help their rankings out when you showed up
That one was for OMM
GalakStarscraper - Sep 28, 2004 - 02:43 PM
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Hey try to be a tournament organizer asking OMM to play faster because the 2 hour time limit only has 30 minutes left and he's on turn 1 of the 2nd half with the championship of GenCon on the line.
When I told Jim I was going to have to call his game at 2 hours, I got a look that could melt steel.
Thank the good Lord for that Riot that ended that game ... because I really didn't want to piss off Papa Bear OMM.
Galak
Grumbledook - Sep 28, 2004 - 04:38 PM
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i think its an act jim puts on, like abe simpson when he starts on his storys
Ben - Sep 28, 2004 - 08:10 PM
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Well Rod, looks like i'll be driving up to Montreal after all. The front is yours just like i promised if you still need it. Let me know.
Ben
Clan_Skaven - Sep 28, 2004 - 09:45 PM
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Ben wrote:
Well Rod, looks like i'll be driving up to Montreal after all. The front is yours just like i promised if you still need it. Let me know.
Ben
Your the man, Ben! Yes I'll still need a ride, & thankyou. Whatever you need for gas money, let me know!
(If I beat you in a game at the Death-Bowl, do I get a ride home still?)
Are you still looking to split a room with anyone?
Melifaxis - Oct 01, 2004 - 08:51 AM
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As someone who went last year I can support that by saying you should definitely go!
I must sadly report that I am going to miss the Death Bowl this year, but I'm not at all happy about it
twist - Oct 02, 2004 - 02:00 PM
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Awww, Mel... You're gonna miss out on the strippers and street thugs!
CyberHare - Oct 04, 2004 - 09:22 AM
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All right you DeathBowl hungry fiends we're just 12 days away from the one and only Deathbowl.
Everyone have their hotel room booked?
Scum are you bringing the Goblin Stadium? If so I'll make place for you.
Anyone who is flying in from out of town please contact me so we can arrange transportation for you.
Anyone who is driving into town please make sure you PM me to get my cell number. I have a new number so even if you think you have it check with me just to be sure. You can call and let me know you are in town and it'll be good to have a contact in case you get lost
Melifaxis - Oct 04, 2004 - 09:54 AM
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twist wrote:
Awww, Mel... You're gonna miss out on the strippers and street thugs!
I know 
I'll even miss the thugs 
Next year I will be sure to be at Death Bowl III!!!
twist - Oct 04, 2004 - 09:27 PM
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Only 12 days? Damn! guess I should do laundry soon...
Clan_Skaven - Oct 04, 2004 - 09:29 PM
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twist wrote:
Only 12 days? Damn! guess I should do laundry soon...
"Sniff-Sniff!"
You do laundry?
Coulda fooled me,
Spazzfist - Oct 05, 2004 - 05:31 AM
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Okay, I know that I am taking a HUGE risk, but my GF said that she does not want to come to Montreal for the weekend, but also said: "you go if you want to". But we all know what that means, eh? 
So is there anyone else going from the TO area that would be willing to carpool? I am not committing, just putting out the feelers (and not like that either - I think I can go for a weekend without the GF!)
Ben - Oct 05, 2004 - 05:56 AM
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Well i still have two seats available in my car. I'm coming from Brampton so just as a long as i don't have to drive to far into the city, you can come with us. Let me know.
Ben
Spazzfist - Oct 05, 2004 - 06:35 AM
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Well funny you should say Brampton, but that is actually where I live as well. By Chingacousy and Bovaird.
I will think about this some more now and get back to you. What is your schedule like? When are you leaving and coming back?
Craig
CyberHare - Oct 05, 2004 - 08:56 AM
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In case I havn't previously mentioned it, the NAF seminar on Sunday afternoon has been hammered out. We are going to be having a conference call with Galak to have a round table discussion of the Vault and this years Rules Review.
AnthonyTBBF - Oct 05, 2004 - 09:23 AM
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That should be entertaining... make sure you tape it.
GalakStarscraper - Oct 05, 2004 - 09:32 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:
That should be entertaining...
make sure you tape it.
Realize that I'm the only BBRC willing to agree to do this. I'm sure I'll end up saying too much ... we'll see. I trust Brian to moderate which is why I agreed to call. My experience is that folks don't speak up on calls like these ... so it will either be very interesting ... or very quick.
Galak
AnthonyTBBF - Oct 05, 2004 - 09:51 AM
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Well I think it's cool you are doing it. The BBRC isn't the Illuminati or anything
CyberHare - Oct 05, 2004 - 10:40 AM
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To the rest of the BBRC's credit I did only contact Tom and John about doing this. John understandably declined as he hasn't been up to date for the past few months and not in a position to discuss the issues with an informed mind. If any of the other BBRC members want to join in though they are more than welcome to. I had originally wanted to ask Jake and Jervis if they would like to participate but the conference line I have access to doesn't work for overseas calls
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 05, 2004 - 01:02 PM
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Ok...who is staying where? I definately want to get in some extra games in between this time around...anyone game for a match Friday or Saturday night?
-Rob
Zombie - Oct 05, 2004 - 01:04 PM
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I'll be trying to organize Double Bowl games Saturday after the 3rd round is over. You're welcome to that if you want.
Spazzfist - Oct 05, 2004 - 01:44 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Ok...who is staying where? I definately want to get in some extra games in between this time around...anyone game for a match Friday or Saturday night?
Well if I do come up it will be solo, so I will be allowed to to play games afterwards - and man o man, am I looking for some payback! 
Still have to work out the fine details however......
Ben - Oct 05, 2004 - 04:19 PM
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I plan on leaving between noon and 2pm on Friday to avoid the crazy traffic as mush as possible. And as of right now i'm not sure if i'll be heading back from Montreal on the Sunday evening or Monday morning.
Hope this helps.
Spazzfist - Oct 05, 2004 - 05:35 PM
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Well I could get the time off Friday afternoon, but would be pushin gmy luck if I also went for Monday! Could I vote for coming back Sunday night? (assuming that the social co-ordinator approves this?)
Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 05, 2004 - 08:24 PM
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(assuming that the social co-ordinator approves this?)
So Zombie...what do you say?
-Rob
Zombie - Oct 05, 2004 - 09:34 PM
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I think he was talking about his wife/girlfriend.
Clan_Skaven - Oct 05, 2004 - 09:54 PM
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Zombie is Spazzfist's wife/girlfriend?
(Again just messing around guys!)
Spazzfist - Oct 06, 2004 - 05:41 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Zombie is Spazzfist's wife/girlfriend
Just while we were in prison....
CyberHare - Oct 06, 2004 - 07:11 AM
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Hmm I guess I'll have to make sure the two of you "randomly" match up in the first round 
Spazzfist - Oct 06, 2004 - 08:19 AM
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It's looking more like a possibility that I can go. Just need to know what the itenerary is for the return trip!
Spazz
CyberHare - Oct 06, 2004 - 09:46 AM
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The other Toronto group will be heading back Sunday night I'm sure.
Ben - Oct 06, 2004 - 10:30 AM
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OK OK just for you Spazz, we can head back Sunday evening. Again, let me know as soon as you can if it's a definate.
Thanks,
Ben
Spazzfist - Oct 06, 2004 - 12:16 PM
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Alright! I am in! LMK when you want ot leave on Friday and I will make thenecessary arrangements.
Zombie, put on your party dress, Spazzfist is coming to town!!
CyberHare - Oct 06, 2004 - 02:11 PM
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Woohoo. That's one more.
Just a note to anyone coming. Make sure you bring your board. I'll have the 7's boards and the Deathbowl boards but I don't have enough standard boards to go around.
Spazzfist - Oct 06, 2004 - 08:51 PM
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Ben,
I PM'ed you with my contact info.
Spazz
BUD - Oct 07, 2004 - 05:54 AM
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Hey Brian,
it looks like I'll be coming down to the Deathbowl, my bro may be taggin along but don't quote me on it. Anyways, hope to see you all there and underneath my boot
CyberHare - Oct 07, 2004 - 06:27 AM
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There's going to be a big fight between the Toronto and Montreal coaches for the title! It's going to be interesting to see who gets into the title match. If I get to play yer all goin down!
Clan_Skaven - Oct 07, 2004 - 08:05 AM
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CyberHare wrote:
There's going to be a big fight between the Toronto and Montreal coaches for the title! It's going to be interesting to see who gets into the title match. If I get to play yer all goin down!
"PHHHFFFFZZZZTTTT!"
Toronto & Montreal!!! Gimme a break!!!!
I'm undifeated in my Last 3 games!
This Title is going to Niagara Falls, Baby!
Woooooooooo-Hoooooooooooooo!!!
(Nothing like a good ole Trash Talking to start the day off right!)
Spazzfist - Oct 07, 2004 - 08:21 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Toronto & Montreal!!! Gimme a break!!!!
I'm undifeated in my Last 3 games!
This Title is going to Niagara Falls, Baby!
Oh man, am I going to have to listen to you cry all the way home? This is clearly a T.O. take! The cup comes home with me. No question. Spike! was a fluke. Be prepared to feel the wrath of my full BB might!
Waaaagh! 
Spazz
CyberHare - Oct 07, 2004 - 09:12 AM
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Clan_Skaven if you win it'll that much more the sweet that someone from TO didn't
CyberHare - Oct 07, 2004 - 09:17 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:
Oh man, am I going to have to listen to you cry all the way home?
Rod won't cry, he'll pull out his snorta game and make you guy's play in the car
Spazzfist wrote:
This is clearly a T.O. take!
Toronto had it's chance last year and blew it I believe we'll have the TO crowd outnumbered this year with Montreal Coaches so it's going to be a little harder to get the numbers lock on the championship game this time around.
Besides, Karl is going to win the title with his halfling team and then mock the rest of us, deservedly so, for the rest of the year
twist - Oct 07, 2004 - 12:28 PM
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Bah, you're all heathens. I'm gonna light you all up like a Christmas tree.
Spazzfist - Oct 07, 2004 - 12:35 PM
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twist wrote:
Bah, you're all heathens. I'm gonna light you all up like a Christmas tree.
The only lighting you'll do is to point the spotlight at me- the winner!
Spazz
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 07, 2004 - 03:46 PM
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To all you non-believers... The Squirtville Bellybusters are going to invade your country and come home with the prize! I may spare Brian just a bit for letting the light of halfling dominance shed upon an otherwise "Middle Age-esque" crew of touqe wearers. (Actually that may be my big advantage...I am likely to have the only player wearing a touque in the whole tourney )
@Spazz- What happened to the cat? I liked the cat.
@Brian- Am I the only citizen of the Empire travelling up to the Chaos Wastes for the Death Bowl?
-Rob
CyberHare - Oct 07, 2004 - 04:07 PM
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You just may be there Rob. I've heard nothing from any other US coaches that makes me think otherwise I know Mel wanted to come but, not for the lack of will, simply can't make it. Omm is likewise. Ken, well Ken is a lazy bum Something about traveling too much
So basically I figure that the Americans are just afraid of the exotic Quebec women and realize that the home court advantage that my Amazons have will dominate anything they can muster
Rob you're going to have to give your countrymen heck for sending a lone halfling team into the Deathbowl to defend their honor.
Old_Man_Monkey - Oct 07, 2004 - 04:34 PM
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Haflings should be more than enough...
Melifaxis - Oct 07, 2004 - 07:25 PM
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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:
Haflings should be more than enough...
CyberHare - Oct 07, 2004 - 08:08 PM
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I've posted a picture of some of the tournament trophies on the HR website. You can see it here.
Yes that is indeed a wooden spoon at the bottom of the picture. That is the Deathbowl legacy Wooden spoon. I'm going to let the last place coach take it home as long as he agree's to return the following year to pass it on to the next "winner" of the wooden spoon. It about 3.5 feet long
Spazzfist - Oct 07, 2004 - 08:12 PM
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Rob,
"Squirtville Bellysbusters"? I love it! It makes it sound like they have a juicy centre that gushes into the mouth of a devouring troll. Kind of like one of those kids' fruit snacks!
Too bad they have to die......
Re- the avatar - I know, I know, I really liked it too... but too many people were commenting that it was promintently used by someone else already. <sigh> This one is temporary until I come up with something better.
But I was thinking of honouring/defacing you team by naming my Nurgle's rotters - the Bellysquirters. Kinda appropriate wouldn't you say?
Spazz
Zombie - Oct 07, 2004 - 08:40 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:
"Squirtville Bellysbusters"? I love it! It makes it sound like they have a juicy centre that gushes into the mouth of a devouring troll. Kind of like one of those kids' fruit snacks!
I think it sounds like porn.
Ben - Oct 07, 2004 - 10:48 PM
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What kind of porn you watching?
Old_Man_Monkey - Oct 08, 2004 - 02:18 AM
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Menage a trois haflings...
Ben - Oct 08, 2004 - 07:44 AM
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Jim, you suck. I can't believe your not coming. Oh well i guess you can't make it to all of them. Will you be attending the Underworld?
Ben
Old_Man_Monkey - Oct 08, 2004 - 09:19 AM
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Yep... I've been saying so for two months...!
And I don't suck!!! I'm still making more tournies in Canada than you are in the States...
BUD - Oct 08, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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Hey Brian, not sure what it is about your House Rulez website but the pictures never ever work for me... Anyways, the rules look good and i'll see you all there!
CyberHare - Oct 09, 2004 - 02:55 PM
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What browser are you using?
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 09, 2004 - 04:13 PM
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Brian-
I use Internet Explorer 6, and I am also unable to see the photos.
-Rob
Ben - Oct 09, 2004 - 05:18 PM
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I see red x's when i'm not logged on into House rulez. Once i log in the pictures seem to work.
Ben
Melifaxis - Oct 09, 2004 - 07:23 PM
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I got failure several times despite being logged in. Eventually it worked though. No problems with the thumbnail versions just when you try and see the big ones.
Spazzfist - Oct 10, 2004 - 04:37 PM
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Just six more sleeps until Deathbowl! woo hoo!
I will be bringing up a vampire counts team that I just bought for some fun play on the side. Want to see how bad these guys really suck! (no pun intended). As for wahich team I am playing at the tourney - am still undecided, but the orcs are asking for a chance to redeem themselves!
Also wondering if there were more people in trying out Zombie's proposal for the "Ultimate Team" challenge - where you use any players you want from any team with no limitations - just have to add up to 1000K. Anyone?
Spazz
Zombie - Oct 10, 2004 - 05:27 PM
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What i had in mind was a round of Double Bowl mostly. How we manage the races involved is still undecided. We could do both concepts at once, but the Double Bowl idea is the one which i would most like to try, because if it's successful i could make an entire tournament of it.
P.S. I haven't received any PMs yet from anyone about Friday night (not even from you). There certainly won't be any games on Friday night if you guys don't get in contact with me to get my phone number.
Spazzfist - Oct 10, 2004 - 08:27 PM
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Zombie wrote:
P.S. I haven't received any PMs yet from anyone about Friday night (not even from you). There certainly won't be any games on Friday night if you guys don't get in contact with me to get my phone number.
Oh there will be games...... maybe you're not invited!
Just ribbing you! Will PM you.
Spazz
Zombie - Oct 10, 2004 - 08:40 PM
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I meant "there won't be any Double Bowl games", in case that wasn't clear.
Six_Foot_Dwarf - Oct 11, 2004 - 09:13 PM
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Hey Brian. I haven't seen anyone post a comment about the new "No General skills to Big Guys/Mummies" rule. Am I the only one here that hates this??? haha Is this rule really on the BBRC's list?? I hope and pray not. I heard the Chaos Cup is trying it out, but.... Man, that's really kicking a lot of teams in the teeth, especially Undead. Strangely enough the team I switched to is getting kicked hard too...Rats. A Wild Animal without Block is a no-go. Pretty much erasing a pick from our roster. Not only that, but it means you guys are gonna face even MORE Gutters!!! muhahaha Not good for you.
Well, the team's all done and ready to go. I dunno what time we (me, Bud, Cam and maybe Trev) will be on the road, but we most likely won't be there til late on Fri. But we'll be there for sure...to right that wrong. hehe
Good to see more of the locals will be there this year. We're getting tired of beating up on eachother. hehehe It'll be fun to beat up on people we don't see every week for a change.
BANZAI!!!!
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 11, 2004 - 09:39 PM
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Let's not forget that the Flings are even weaker with this. Treeman without access to Block or Pro...
Let's see...they only show-up for the first half of each game on a 4-6. Then when they are there their blocks are unreliable...how many teams can't neutralize that STR 6 on the line with their own big guy, or STR 4 Black Orc/Bull Centaur/Mummie flanked with a Lineman or two with guard.
Then you try to use throw teammate with Agility 2. No Pro? No team Re-Rolls? Wow this throw team mate should work really often.
Whats left? STR 2 and slow as dirt? But my they are fun. (Until the game starts. )
Play testing with this team has been a very frustrating experience. (Especially when consecutive turns end early when those 3+ dodges fail twice on the first or second 'Fling. This has happened at lease once or twice every other game. Gee...I sure hope we can find a way to screw these guys even more...)
-Rob
P.S. If I sound bitter...it's because I am. I will apologize in advance for my behaviour. I will try my best to take it in stride at the Death Bowl...but this team has no shot in any format. I am sure that I will be losing points for sportsmanship this time around. Please know that it will not be permanant. It sucks having to go into something with the knowledge that there is no possibility of victory in order avoid freaking out. Oh well...free points for my opponents.
-Rob
Zombie - Oct 11, 2004 - 09:45 PM
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Six_Foot_Dwarf wrote:
Hey Brian. I haven't seen anyone post a comment about the new "No General skills to Big Guys/Mummies" rule. Am I the only one here that hates this???
Go to the House Rulez website and you'll see that you're not the only one who hates it.
Zombie - Oct 11, 2004 - 09:55 PM
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Hey, halflings complaining about not being able to reroll stuff? Now that's ironic. Their opponents will have to play with zero reroll for the entire game...
Treemen are AG1 by the way. Doesn't matter much for TTM though. And that's another area where you shouldn't complain since orcs and goblins need to make a really stupid and an always hungry roll before they can even make the throw.
I think halflings can do really well in this tournament. A good coach could win the first 5 rounds with them just as easily as with any other team. For the final though (a Death Bowl game), that's another story...
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 11, 2004 - 10:13 PM
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Zombie-
This coming from the guy who played the all Block team...and didn't do terribly well. Talk about stacked.
I guess you'll be taking the 'Flings at the tourney then since you're convinced that they'll do well.
By the way...the chef is the only thing that the 'Flings can rely on...and even with that...who cares if I can't re-roll the two and three dice blocks that I will get EVERY turn against the Flings. And it does matter for TTM when the MV 2 Trees have the tacklezones to consider. (When they even bother to show-up.)
Also, your Orc and Goblin argument isn't a valid one as they have other options. The 'Flings are a one trick pony...even the gobbo teams don't have to worry about the Troll showing up, nor do they have a 50% chance of not gettingg up once knocked on the ground. Sure they are RS, but the nearby Gobs help with that...there is no releif for that on the 'Fling team.
If you think that the Flings can do really well...perhaps you should back that statement up by using them yourself. If not...then let me complain. That will not get me anything at the end of the day...but at least I will get it off my chest.
-Rob
Zombie - Oct 11, 2004 - 10:42 PM
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I've played halflings before, and did well with them. I almost played halflings at last year's Death Bowl but backed off because one in three teams was either dwarf or chaos dwarf. I know from experience that halflings can win, and i wouldn't be afraid to take them to a tournament with that intent. Halflings are a great TR 100 team, and very underestimated.
But in this Death Bowl final, the master chef will not be very effective, and that's the only reason i'm not playing halflings this year (well, that and the fact that there's this other team that i'm really itching to try).
Have you ever tried guard on the trees? Very effective, and so is multiple block. Are you aware that you can give a treeman block or pass on a double? Not too shaby. You can get two skills on each treeman in this tournament, instead of the standard one, which means fewer useless skills on halflings. Do you know how overpowered an AG4 fling is? You've got a 29% chance of picking up at least one in this tournament. You've also got a 41% chance of picking up at least one MA3 treeman, another jewel to be treasured. These tournament rules are actually very good for halflings, except for the Death Bowl final where you finally get the shaft. You've got no right to complain in the first 5 games. In those games, you'll have an extremely competitive team. From the looks of things, there will even be very few dwarf and chaos dwarf teams this year. Most people who played them last year are either not coming back or switching race.
Have you ever played goblins before? You think that halflings have a tough time throwing players? Trolls are so bad at throwing that Da_Scum paid huge money (i think it was 320k) to hire a star troll for the Spike just so that he wouldn't have to roll for very stupid and always hungry when throwing. Because he bought the star troll at such inflated price, he could only afford one rookie troll, not to mention a lot less rerolls and reserve. At the Spike, rookie trolls could get block, and the star couldn't. He still swears that it was worth it for him. Trolls downright suck at throwing players. Treemen are by far the best big guy throwers in the entire game. The only advantage goblins have over halflings is secret weapons, and they've been pretty much disallowed in this tournament. I pitty the guy playing goblins in this one, but not the guy playing halflings. Not until the final game anyway.
And why did you even bring up pro? Who cares if treemen can get pro on a double... they'd take leader long before that. And most tournaments don't let you get traits anyway.
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 11, 2004 - 11:18 PM
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Zombie-
I'm guessing that you played Halflings in a non NAF tournament, as I only see Norse teams associated with your name on here. I do not, or did not, underestimate the team and that is why I chose them in the first place. They are certainly not the best tourney team, but they should be fun. However, my play-testing has has not showed them to be at all promising. Sure I can chalk some of that up to my inexperience with the team, but when this supposedly unbalanced team can't even dodge out of trouble...what else do I have to count on?
It took me 4 games just to score my first touchdown. I'm sorry but I'm not THAT bad.
I'd also say that the Ogre is the best thrower. I am sure you will come up with some biased statistical analysis to refute that, but the 1 in 6 bonehead is alot less troublesome than the 3 in 6 to miss an entire half and another 3 in 6 roll to get up from a prone position. Also, the extra agility helps the accuracy roll...this turns out to be pretty big when it could mean life and death for the 'Fling involved.
I don't see Da_Scum's decision to purchase the Star Troll as any hardship. Think of it as an upgrade to the rookie troll. the Gobbos are so cheap that he can afford the inflated price. Using the star troll is akin to the 'Flings using Deeproot. Imagine having a Tree that will show up for the start of every game and also have Block to make his STR 7 Blocks that much more relaiable?
Deeproot's obvious advantages don't make the rookie Treeman suck. Just as the Start Troll doesn't make the rookie troll suck. There are positives and negatives to each...but overall the Gobs are the better roster.
+1 to the MA, +1 AV, Trolls dumb but there every time...keep a gobbo close and you have less expensive ogre.
Also, you ask me if I have played Gobbos, as you feel that they are even harder to throw. I don't know if I agree, but for the sake of argument lets say they are. That extra movement and relative durability make the gobs more flexible. And I hate to say this again, but their Big Guy is guarenteed to be there for the start of the game. Thus OVERALL they are a better team.
My statement that prompted your reply was not specific to throwing...it was regarding the over-all deficiencies of the'Fling team. This team without General Access for the big guys has to be very good AND very lucky to compete at all.
I would say that many people would site Galak as a very good Halfling player, and has has some success at tournements. Take into consideration then that he has a ranking of 147.66 and world-wide is the 4th ranked Halfilng Player. That means that there are only three teams ANYWHERE that are above the 150.0 baseline score. 3 teams out of 25 ranked teams in the world. If you use Norse as a team for comparison...there are 50 Norse teams ranked...the top 38 are ranked above the 150 baseline.
Whew...see I feel better already! Got some of that off my chest...see you just had to let me rant a bit...now I'm all set to lose everygame with a cheery smile on my face.
See you all there...just don't lose. You don't want to be the team to lose to the 'Flings.
-Rob
P.S. Zombie...I hope we play again at the Death Bowl...perhaps your confidence in my team will somehow lead me to victory.
Zombie - Oct 12, 2004 - 12:20 AM
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Check your inbox. I sent you a PM while you were typing this.
Zombie - Oct 12, 2004 - 01:03 AM
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I'm guessing that you played Halflings in a non NAF tournament, as I only see Norse teams associated with your name on here.
I played them in a league, and ended up with a .500 record (3-3). I would have done better had i actually used money to freeboot the chef and/or the star player treeman in those games, but i was saving money for the playoffs all along. I got eliminated in the first round of playoffs because i underestimated my opponent, having beat him 3-0 in the season, and didn't spent money on a star treeman for that game (electing to instead save cash so that i could field him in both the semi-final and final), and because my master chef stole 0 reroll in first half (out of a possibility of 3) and 1 in second half, and both my treemen didn't show up for the first half. Still, it was a tight game that i only lost 2-1. I think i had about 200k left in my treasury after that game.
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I'd also say that the Ogre is the best thrower.
The only team that can throw players with ogres is a chaos team that freebooted a goblin star player. Since the star player can't use team rerolls for catching the ball and for landing, that makes at least 4 rolls (catch, bonehead, pass, land) and maybe more (up to 3 go for its) without a single team reroll backing them up. I'd much rather throw flings with a treeman.
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I don't see Da_Scum's decision to purchase the Star Troll as any hardship.
Oh really? To field this guy, he dropped one rookie troll, fungus the loon (another ST6 player), one goblin and two rerolls. I talked to Da_Scum a lot during the tournament (heck, i was staying at his place) and he told me many times that the only reason he took the star troll was so that he could have any hope of throwing successfully.
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+1 to the MA, +1 AV
Because of that, they cost 10k more. If i had the choice between a normal halfling team and one where the players have +1 MA and +1 AV and cost 40k, i'd take the normal one. Over 14 players, that's 140k extra to spend elsewhere, which is huge.
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Trolls dumb but there every time...keep a gobbo close and you have less expensive ogre.
Ask any goblin coach. They would take treemen over trolls anytime. The trolls' two negative skills are huge drawbacks, especially when using TTM.
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Thus OVERALL they are a better team.
The ONLY advantage that goblins have over halflings are their secret weapons. In a tournament like the Death Bowl where they can't take them, there's NO comparison. At the Death Bowl, i would rank goblins in 17th place out of all 19 races (only above chaos and nurgle), and i would probably rank halflings somewhere around 5th place.
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This team without General Access for the big guys has to be very good AND very lucky to compete at all.
Like i said, there are very good skill choices for treemen in the strength category. Give both your treemen guard and multiple block and see how powerful that is. I'd much rather play halflings in a tournament where treemen can take 2 strength skills each than in a tournament where they can take one general skill. The fact that you can get traits and stat increases is also a HUGE bonus for a team where normal skills pretty much suck.
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There are only three teams ANYWHERE that are above the 150.0 baseline score. 3 teams out of 25 ranked teams in the world. If you use Norse as a team for comparison...there are 50 Norse teams ranked...the top 38 are ranked above the 150 baseline.
A very large part of the reason for this is that because of the myth that halflings and goblins are not good, most people who bring them to tournament aren't there to win. Also, those coaches often aren't very good in the first place and are taking those teams because they feel they don't stand a chance anyway so it doesn't matter and/or because they feel it gives them an excuse afterwards for the losses they will undoubtedly take.
If people who played halflings played them competitively, you'd see them way higher in the rankings. The only teams that could really give them a hard time in tournaments are dwarves and chaos dwarves. Playing against anybody else and not missing both treemen for the first half, they should actually be favorite to win their games. Sure you've got the badlucky game (1 in 4) where both your treemen are missing for the first half, and you'll probably lose that one. But that's true of any team. If there's one thing i've learned in tournaments, it's that when you're out of luck, there's often nothing you can do about it, no matter what team you play.
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See you all there...just don't lose. You don't want to be the team to lose to the 'Flings.
Actually, i don't want to be the team that meets the flings. There are only two races that i'm really scared of in tournaments : wood elves and halflings. Those two are really tough to beat. Wood elves because i hate wardancers and halflings because i usually take about 3 rerolls and it really hurts to lose them all. I'm also not big on tackle and that hurts me against both of those.
Spazzfist - Oct 12, 2004 - 06:04 AM
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Wow Rob,
Maybe you should start you own Halfling Coach support group!
Or Zombie, maybe you can "fix it" so that you and Rob match up in the first game, then you can throw the game and boost his confidence!
I am not going to get roped into this whole goblin/halfling debate, but I play orcs and have also played an all-goblin team (not in tourneys though). As such I can relate how frustrating this tactic can be. But the thing to remember when playing a team like halflings is that you shouldn't expect to win! You are playing the underdogs. You know that, so accept it!
You talked about losing sportsmanship scores, and I hope that you were not serious. Laugh when they go "squish" but laugh harder when they actually score. Win or lose, it is still a great game! (And any time that you feel that your team is letting you down, just remember what my team did to me at the Spike!) 
Look forward to seeing you there (and getting some payback!)
Spazz
Spazzfist - Oct 12, 2004 - 06:05 AM
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Rob,
Haved you read the halfling playbook in the 2003 annual? I can bring it up if you don't have it.
Spazz
CyberHare - Oct 12, 2004 - 06:07 AM
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If you really think it's going to be that bad you don't have to take the Flings. I only said it would be interesting to see how they would do in the DB. In reality though I don't think they will do that bad. I tend to agree with Zombie that they are one of the better TR 100 teams and the fact that you get to roll for, stack and pick who gets skills in this tourney will only work to your advantage. If you really feel that you're getting the short end of the stick though there is one last thing I can maybe do. The morning of the tournament I'll put it to a vote to change Take Root to the following.
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Take Root
Before taking any action roll a D6. On a 2 or more, the player may take his action as normal. On a 1, the Player "takes root", and his MA is considered 0 until a touchdown is scored or the half ends, or he is knocked over (and no, players from his own team may not try and Block him in order to try to knock him over!). A player that has taken root may not Go For It, be pushed back for any reason, or use any skill that would allow him to move out of his current square. The player may block adjacent players without following-up.
I'll have to put it to a vote because it too close to the tourney to just change the rules now.
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 12, 2004 - 10:11 AM
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Brian-
To be honest, I'd rather not have you even put it up for a vote at this point. I sincerely appreciate the consideration, but then you open up the Vault debate and we can do without that.
I appologize for my rant, but that's really all it was. I had just had two really miserable games on FUMBBL and saw the post about how bad it will be for CD's for them to lose General access, and had to respond. (It was basically a ..."grass is always greener" comment.)
Of course Zombie had to jump in and disect my statement, and being in the frame of mind that I was in, responded in kind.
Zombie-
I have since read your PM and appreciate your advice, but there are still a few points that I disagree with. (Moreso in your most recent post than in your PM. Actually some of what you had there I had considered already...unfortunately my online experiences have not gone over too well. I guess some of the fun factor of the 'Flings is lost on-line when you are just playing with preset images instead of the figs that you convert/paint in preperation for the face to face games.)
I am actually looking forward to seeing you guys again and seeing what I can do with the Flings. Face to face games with the little guys are always more fun.
Craig-
You are the first on the hit list my friend. If you bring those woodies...you better bring some Woodglue for your sell-out Treeman! he will feel the wrath of the Old School Treemen.
Support group aye? I'll show you support group...(Actally there may e something already out there for Performance Anxiety, maybe I can get some corporate sponsorship from Zoloft or something. )
Six_Foot_Dwarf - Oct 12, 2004 - 06:36 PM
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I kind of agree with Karl, Brian. A. changing the rules so close to the tourney and/or the day of the tourney is bad mojo and B. I'd personally rather have a rule-set that's as close to the "Book" as is possible. I definately like the thought of a tourney-with-a-twist (which a Death Bowl game certainly is!) but deviating too far from the LRB leaves people who've played for YEARS wondering what is what. Taking General skills from big boys is bad enough...creating rules to make Halflings more playable is insane! haha They're Halfers...they suck. That's what they do.
I differ from Karl and Zombie in that I think Halflings are ass from TR 100 all the way to TR 500! No matter what skills you have, you're still AV6 and super slow. hehe If both trees miss, there won't be a team left for them to come back to in the 2nd. And whereas every team has another team or two that "has their number", just about everyone has a rookie Halfer team's number. Norse/Dwarves/CDs will absolutely trounce 'em, Humans/Rats will beat 'em up AND light them up, and Woodies will outright blow 'em out with no fear of retribution.
But I guess it IS all about having a good time, and there really is NO pressure playing Halfers. In a tourney like this they'd be fun if you don't mind spending a weekend watching your well-painted figures fly into the Red Box faster than you can unpack more. In a tourney like the Spike! it's just a waste of $60. haha
CyberHare - Oct 12, 2004 - 07:25 PM
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Ok no change for this year. Just trying to help.
Rob I'm going to laugh out loud if after all that the halflings do better than you I honestly think that if Rob plays his cards right he could make it to the Championship round. That round of BB&'s is going to throw a curve at everyone so it'll be an interesting time seeing how everything plays out.
All right that's enough time wasted for me. I still have a lot of work to do to get ready.
BUD - Oct 13, 2004 - 09:44 AM
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well Brian and other fellow Deathbowl attendee's that actually know who the heck I am, I will not beable to attend this coming weekend as moola has gotten in the way... my lack of employment has left me rather dry on that front so I gotta say no to geeking. Next year for sure though! I plan on being a student so I won't have money anyways, whats another debt right?
good luck to all and may the TBBF bring er where she belongs! (to my hands)
Spazzfist - Oct 13, 2004 - 11:50 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
You are the first on the hit list my friend. If you bring those woodies...you better bring some Woodglue for your sell-out Treeman!
he will feel the wrath of the Old School Treemen.
A treeman on a wood elf team? Not for me thanks! I feel that they just slow me down! Also in a tournament like this who can afford one?
Whichever team I bring, just be prepared for some serious hurts!
Spazz
P.S. Is it considered a foul if you give a halfling a "pink belly" slapping on the pitch?
Melifaxis - Oct 13, 2004 - 11:54 AM
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Not if it's the Master Chef (aka Head Coach)
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 13, 2004 - 01:08 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:
P.S. Is it considered a foul if you give a halfling a "pink belly" slapping on the pitch?
Are you trying to say that I'm going to get Pitch Slapped? 
I hope you bring the Orcs just so I can give your Female troll a Purple Nurple!!!
I'm sure that the Woodelves will be too busy frolicking to take part in the Death Bowl.
...la la la....please don't touch our fairy wings..fa la la...Ah...what a pretty flower.... 
RAHHHHH!!!!
MONGO does it again!!!
-Rob (aka King Fling 
)
Zombie - Oct 13, 2004 - 04:50 PM
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BUD wrote:
well Brian and other fellow Deathbowl attendee's that actually know who the heck I am, I will not beable to attend this coming weekend as moola has gotten in the way... my lack of employment has left me rather dry on that front so I gotta say no to geeking. Next year for sure though! I plan on being a student so I won't have money anyways, whats another debt right?
good luck to all and may the TBBF bring er where she belongs! (to my hands)
Yeah right! You're just worried that the TBBF bunch will backstab you again!
Da_Scum - Oct 14, 2004 - 05:55 AM
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Zombie wrote:
BUD wrote:
well Brian and other fellow Deathbowl attendee's that actually know who the heck I am, I will not beable to attend this coming weekend as moola has gotten in the way... my lack of employment has left me rather dry on that front so I gotta say no to geeking. Next year for sure though! I plan on being a student so I won't have money anyways, whats another debt right?
good luck to all and may the TBBF bring er where she belongs! (to my hands)
Yeah right! You're just worried that the TBBF bunch will backstab you again!
It's not back-stabbing when the Git deserves it for what he said about Da Commish's mother...
...even if she is not a bad shag...
BUD - Oct 14, 2004 - 07:02 AM
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ya ya, laugh it up.
twist - Oct 14, 2004 - 01:26 PM
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Don't worry, there will be 3 TBBFers at the top table*. Lets hope we don't knock each other out of contention like we usually do...
*Provided all 3 of us do well.
Zombie - Oct 14, 2004 - 01:29 PM
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I've offered Dennis a place to stay to cut down on his costs. Let's see if that's enough of an incentive...
The only way you backstabbing bunch will win it is by having 4 of you at the top table!
Zombie - Oct 14, 2004 - 11:47 PM
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I've got a free couch if anyone is interested, now that Da_Scum had to forfeit. I live pretty close to the event but it would still help if you have a car. If anyone's interested, PM me with a cell phone number and an estimated time of arrival and i'll give you a call to make arrangements. Or if you have Brian's phone number, call him and ask him for my phone number so that you can call me when you get here.
If you've got a friend, i also have a second free couch in the living room but that might be pushing it a little with the roommates.
Spazzfist - Oct 15, 2004 - 08:40 AM
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Hey there,
Leave it to me to leave this uintil the last minute, but I have noticed a couple of things in the rules that don't jive with me.
First off you say that there are no illegal procedure calls allowed during he tournament, yet during the final Dathbowl round, there are no penalties, except for illegal procedures. So does this mean that there are going to beillegal procedures called in the final round?
Also, my team is orcs, and is made up of the following:
4 blitzers
4 black orcs
1 thrower
1 goblin
1 troll
According to your roster for the BB7's I will not be able to field a full team. What do you suggest?
I will PM you with the info of the hotel that we will be staying at. Maybe you can reach me there and LMK what you think.
Thanks,
Spazz
SBG - Oct 15, 2004 - 09:08 AM
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Just out of curiosity, we are looking at a field of how many for this tournament?
Really looking forward to meet you guys!
Fred
CyberHare - Oct 15, 2004 - 07:26 PM
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Probably a little bigger than the Bruhaha we went to but not by much. It'll depend on how many guy's you are bringing with you
SBG - Oct 16, 2004 - 12:24 AM
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We're four from the World famous Ligue des Quatre Nations !
Chris, me, and two other guys : Chaos dwarves, pro elves, classic elves and humans.
Fred
GalakStarscraper - Oct 17, 2004 - 05:21 PM
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Everyone please say the following with me:
"If you are travelling into Canada from the US via plane you need a passport."
Galak
Colin - Oct 17, 2004 - 06:41 PM
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I presume that's true the other way around as well.
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 17, 2004 - 07:04 PM
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Actually...its the other way around that is true...
I was allowed to go to Canada, but was told that the problem was coming back to the US.
To be more specific the Passport is not absolutely necessary...a valid photo id with two other documents proving citizenship would have sufficed.
I had my driver???s license, but not my voters registration or a birth certificate. Thus, I missed the Death Bowl.
That being said...I learned a costly lesson and will be better prepared for the Challenge of Q'ermit.
-Rob (aka The Ignorant American)
Zombie - Oct 17, 2004 - 07:11 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Rob (aka The Ignorant American)
Why, are there other kinds?
Just kidding... or am i?
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 17, 2004 - 07:20 PM
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Funny...really funny...
Unfortunately I can't refute that...for now....
I hear that SBG won the Death Bowl...maybe Halflings would have done well.
-Rob
P.S.
@ Brian...since I didn't make it, will I get my TR 150 for the tourney? I guess that'll rank me in the top 5 for Flings Worldwide. maybe I should have Travelling Problems for all of my tournies.
GalakStarscraper - Oct 17, 2004 - 07:47 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
@ Brian...since I didn't make it, will I get my TR 150 for the tourney? I guess that'll rank me in the top 5 for Flings Worldwide. maybe I should have Travelling Problems for all of my tournies.
Galak
SBG - Oct 17, 2004 - 07:49 PM
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!!!!
Call me Mr. Death Bowl!
Rob, Chris and I aren't very proud of you... Guess we'll see you later !
Thanks to everyone, I had a great time and, again, met really nice people there. It always amaze me to see there is so much interesting people playing BB (I really thought that only geeks played the game! )
Fred
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 17, 2004 - 09:52 PM
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@Galak-
To be honest I was really only kidding...I don't want to get ranked that way. I want to work at eliminating the stigma of the 143 TR I have with the humans.
-Rob
Colin - Oct 17, 2004 - 10:50 PM
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Congrads Fred!! 
You are the Deathbowl king!!
I hope to be there next year so hopefully will see you there.
Melifaxis - Oct 18, 2004 - 04:19 AM
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Congrats Fred! Wish I could have been there to join in the fun
Spazzfist - Oct 18, 2004 - 06:17 AM
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Thanks to Brian, and also to his wife for making this event a real success! The weekdn tourney was a great one, and one that I will certainly not be missing in the future!
Maybe I will have a halfling substitue team ready so that 'flings can come next year, just in case Lagerbottom forgets his ID again!
But next year, the trophy WILL leave Montreal!
Spazz
P.S. Look to the "hosting tournaments" forum for my threads about what people like and dislike about this (and other) tournaments. Just want some feedback!
CyberHare - Oct 18, 2004 - 08:05 AM
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Congrats to SBG for winning Deathbowl II.
The championship match was a nail biter right down to the last die roll. The four of us at the top table were Ben Tusim, Frederic Daigle, Glenn Jones & myself. Glen had a chance to tie up the game to take it into overtime. Turn 8 of the second half, everyone else has gone so Glen is the last player to play. He dodges with a Dwarf, hands it off to another Dwarf, makes a second dodge but uses the re-roll to do it. He then moves up to the goal line but needs to go for it .... he rolls the die after taking a couple minutes to relax.... the die wobbles for a couple seconds.... BAM a one. The four of us went crazy. Down goes the Dwarf and Fred takes the championship. It was a great end to a great weekend of Blood Bowl.
The round of BB7's went over very well so it will now be a permanent part of the Deathbowl lineup. There was some concern though about making it worth full points so I think we'll be making that round worth half points. I'm going to have to look at the results better to be sure though.
Full results will be posted as soon as I get the spreadsheet back from the Gent I borrowed the computr from
Thank you once again to everyone who came to the Deathbowl this year.
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 18, 2004 - 08:18 AM
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BAH!!...stupid plane!!!
::kicking the dirt::
CyberHare - Oct 18, 2004 - 08:47 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:
But next year, the trophy WILL leave Montreal!
Bring it on.
Xtreme - Oct 18, 2004 - 10:38 PM
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There will be US representation next year.
Melifaxis - Oct 19, 2004 - 08:17 AM
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Indeed.
CyberHare - Oct 19, 2004 - 10:22 AM
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Just make sure you all remember to bring proper identification
Melifaxis - Oct 19, 2004 - 10:40 AM
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Of course, what fool forgets his.... Oh.
I'm starting work on my Death Bowl board this weekend
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 19, 2004 - 02:32 PM
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ARGHH!!!
Melifaxis - Oct 19, 2004 - 03:35 PM
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Of course if he had just used a Jedi Mind Trick....
*wave hand*
You don't need to see my identification...
Spazzfist - Oct 19, 2004 - 03:54 PM
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You boys will need some Jedi tricks if you think you are taking the Deathbowl trophy out of Canada!
Spazz
Zombie - Oct 19, 2004 - 05:27 PM
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Or out of Montreal for that matter. Two in two so far...
Ben - Oct 19, 2004 - 05:52 PM
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Well the first one didn't count. Obviously. And the second, we were seriously out numbered by the locals.
Zombie - Oct 19, 2004 - 06:15 PM
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Excuses, all of it. You guys haven't proven yet that you can win it; that's all that matters.
Colin - Oct 19, 2004 - 11:43 PM
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Next year when I'm there, the Axe is heading back out west with me. (yeah right)
CyberHare - Oct 20, 2004 - 04:25 AM
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You can see the final standings for the tournament here. Congradulations to everyone who participated in the event.
I've got some of the tournament pictures up in the album section. Make sure you're logged in or you won't be able to see anything.
I don't know about the Axe Torg but if you want to take a legacy trophy home you might want to shoot for the wooden spoon
twist - Oct 20, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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Zombie wrote:
You guys haven't proven yet that you can win it
Neither have you, Zombie!
Clan_Skaven - Oct 20, 2004 - 12:34 PM
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twist wrote:
Zombie wrote:
You guys haven't proven yet that you can win it
Neither have you, Zombie!
No this is true, but what Zombie did prove is that in the Death-Bowl 1 he could out smart the 3 Stooges from the TBBF!
Zombie - Oct 20, 2004 - 01:46 PM
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I'd say that counts as a proof that i can win it!
BUD - Oct 20, 2004 - 02:09 PM
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2 stooges... I don't ever recall being a part of the backstabbing, just getting backstabbed.
twist - Oct 21, 2004 - 03:18 PM
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I think its more of a case of being in the right place at the right time...
Zombie - Oct 21, 2004 - 06:24 PM
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Well, one has to make it to the final in the first place. That's got to be worth something, right?
Also, this year i barely miss the final but won my game on table 2. I'm 2 in 2 so far in Death Bowl games!
Ben - Oct 21, 2004 - 09:03 PM
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Congratulations Zombie, you did great. Way to go. Keep it up.
Zombie - Oct 21, 2004 - 09:28 PM
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I'd have rather been on table one!
Anyway, enough of this. All we know is that us Montrealers know how to win it and that you Torontians still have a lot to learn. If you keep practicing, maybe next year you'll stand a chance! 
Honeycomb_Kid - Oct 23, 2004 - 10:21 AM
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Keep talking trash about the TBBF and I might actually come to the next Deathbowl and bring The Rusted Spikes with me (stupid school prevented me this year).
Neil
AnthonyTBBF - Oct 23, 2004 - 10:29 AM
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Zombie wrote:
Excuses, all of it. You guys haven't proven yet that you can win it; that's all that matters.
Hmm, let's cpmpare the roster of TBBF championships vs all of Quebec put together and see how we match up
Ben - Oct 28, 2004 - 07:47 AM
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The results for Deathbowl 2 have been entered and the button has been pushed
Zombie - Oct 28, 2004 - 03:35 PM
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Hum, looks like the people who finished 2nd and 3rd went 3-3, and i got 5th place with a 5-1 record. Time to give more points for WINS and fewer for TDs and CAS!
CyberHare - Oct 28, 2004 - 08:01 PM
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But don't forget that everyone at the head table also got a 10 point bonus for playing in the championship round. The points for the top positions weren't that far appart. It came down to bonus points mostly as you say. That's pretty much what the points are there for.
Zombie - Oct 28, 2004 - 09:17 PM
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Ten extra points for the final round doesn't even come close to accounting for the fact that people with 3-3 records came ahead of someone with a 5-1 record. And last year i won the whole thing with a pretty poor 3-0-2 (that's two draws for you, Europeans) record but lots of bonuses.
I really think that wins should count more and CAS and TDs should count less. I would give something like 4 bonus points for TDs and 2 for CAS. Those things should be tie breakers, not more important than a team's record!
If you keep the same points system next year, i'll probably bring a bashy team next time around (i'm thinking orc or necromantic). I found out that you just can't get to the top table in your system if you don't get some points for casualties.
CyberHare - Oct 29, 2004 - 04:57 AM
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Or the other way around you need to score a lot. Which is the point of the game. To score points and win. Anyone can win a game by one point. Yay. Winning by one point simply means you got a couple more lucky die rolls than your opponent as far as I'm concerned. That's why losing by one point is the same value as a tie. You lost sure but not by much. Now winning by 2 or more points means something. You've actually outplayed your opponent. Yes it's possible to have a very lucky game and win by two but more often than not scoring more means you are a better coach as the better coaches can handle the downturns in luck.
I didn't get many casualties but I still got to the top table. In fact I think I usualyy gave the cas bonus to my opponent. I scored more though and won the games with bigger score differences.
You're also skewing the results a little bit though. Round 4 didn't move anyone in the ranks much at all. So saying you won or lost that round doesn't mean much. And that only left 4 other points rounds to get to the championship match. Which meant you had a loss during one of you points matches where as those of us on table one got a loss from the DB round.
I will be changing the points a little for next year though. The 7's round will be worth more. HAd it been worth the half points & bonus points for this year then yes you would have been in the final round. I know I wouldn't have been in the champ round had it been for full points.
Hoshi_Komi - Oct 29, 2004 - 07:44 AM
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I think the Cas bonus should be changed to 2+ more cas than opponent ....not just 1 more
CyberHare - Oct 29, 2004 - 07:52 AM
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Yeah you're probably right. It's starting to seem a little too easy to get that CAS bonus.
Zombie - Oct 29, 2004 - 04:05 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
Anyone can win a game by one point. Yay. [...] Now winning by 2 or more points means something.
I disagree. As with any real sport, the important thing is not how you won the game, but that in the end you did win it. In the end, winning is all that matters.
CyberHare wrote:
You're also skewing the results a little bit though. Round 4 didn't move anyone in the ranks much at all. So saying you won or lost that round doesn't mean much. And that only left 4 other points rounds to get to the championship match. Which meant you had a loss during one of you points matches where as those of us on table one got a loss from the DB round.
Even if you don't count round 4 (which still cancels your argument about getting 10 extra points for being on table one since i got 10 extra points in round 4 compared to anyone on table one), i still had 4 wins while the 3 guys who finished above me had only 3. I don't think that's right.
And i'm not just saying this because i got screwed this time around, because i also don't think it was right that i won the Death Bowl last year (or that i was in the final 4 in the first place) based on the same argument.
CyberHare wrote:
I will be changing the points a little for next year though. The 7's round will be worth more. HAd it been worth the half points & bonus points for this year then yes you would have been in the final round. I know I wouldn't have been in the champ round had it been for full points.
My problem is not with round 4. My problem is with too many points given for TD and CAS bonuses, and way too few given for actually winning the game. And i still say it makes no sense at all for a loss by 1 to give as many points as a draw. I'm glad to see most other tournaments have moved away from that system already.
Spazzfist - Nov 01, 2004 - 12:33 PM
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CH,
Any word on the Shadowforge ref from the Deathbowl?
Spazz
Zombie - Nov 01, 2004 - 07:59 PM
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In the final game, shouldn't SBG be counted as having a 2-1 win? It says 1-0 in the tournaments section, but that's impossible as that would have been a tie against Ben who is also written down as having won 1-0.
SBG - Nov 02, 2004 - 10:08 AM
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Final game score was 1-0-0-0, so I don't know how to score this!
Easiest way to calculate your points though is to win the damn ctourney, which I plan to do from now on !
Fred
Melifaxis - Nov 02, 2004 - 11:58 AM
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"The final round of Death Bowl matches will effect your NAF rating in the following manner. In each group of four, the winner and 3rd place player will count as having played a standard game and the 2nd and 4th place players will count as having played a standard game. Determine how each player ranks by touchdowns scored, casualties caused, and finally if the previous two criteria do not determine a ranking, by overall tournament points for the first four rounds of play."
Zombie - Nov 02, 2004 - 05:52 PM
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So one result is wrong. Ben and Cyberhare should count as having a tie, not a win by Ben.
CyberHare - Nov 03, 2004 - 05:48 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:
CH,
Any word on the Shadowforge ref from the Deathbowl?
Spazz
They're in production, or so I've been told. Don't worry I havn't forgotten about them. They'll be in the mail as soon as I get them.
Zombie why are you stressing me out about this?
Melifaxis - Nov 03, 2004 - 08:14 AM
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Zombie wrote:
So one result is wrong. Ben and Cyberhare should count as having a tie, not a win by Ben.
What were the casualties in the match and the points for the first four rounds for each of them? That would give you the answer.
GalakStarscraper - Nov 03, 2004 - 08:59 AM
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I'm not sure what scoring system Brian used ... but I thought it was a version of the Underworld/Origin/GenCon/Chaos Cup point system. Bonus points matter in that system ... but not nearly enough to create the effect that Zombie is discussion.
A win by 1 TD and less Cas is either 5 points more or equal to a Tie with more Cas. So unless Brian REALLY changed the point system from what I thought he was using I'm not sure how a 5-1 would be so many points down from a 3-3.
Galak
Zombie - Nov 03, 2004 - 05:35 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
Zombie why are you stressing me out about this?
Not trying to stress you, just making sure the results are entered correctly in order to be fair to everyone.
Zombie - Nov 03, 2004 - 05:37 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:
Zombie wrote:
So one result is wrong. Ben and Cyberhare should count as having a tie, not a win by Ben.
What were the casualties in the match and the points for the first four rounds for each of them? That would give you the answer.
I thought these were to differentiate between 2, 3 and 4 in order to determine who counts as having played against whom. I never thought for a seond that two people who got the same number of TDs could get anything but a tie.