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Hoshi_Komi - Nov 23, 2004 - 07:12 AM
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I'm currently planning on a tournament in the DC area on May 28th and 29th. from reading the reports of Underworld...maybe a 4/2 schedule or a 3/2 schedule.

It will be a LRB 4.0 tournament with the following changes:

http://www.geocities.com/gkenta/

Regen works on 5+.
Dirty Player will be +1/+1
Chaos Dwarves will not have Big Guy access.
Halfling extra ingredients: 80k

Skill progression will be 1 skill per game with game 3 being a doubles choice.
Chaos teams will be able to take mutations as regular rolls on chaos warriors and beastmen. Only mutation limited to 1: Claw

Pts: 55 pts for win
35 for tie
10 for loss

bonus pts: loss by only 1 pt: 10 pts
caused 1 more cas by fouling or blocking than your opponent: +5 pts
caused 2 or more cas by fouling or blocking than your opponent: +10pts
won by 2+: +5pts
won by 3+: +10pts

Timers will not be used unless referees designate the game being behind schedule.
IP rule only used if both coaches agree.

Will update more later Smile

The Last round will be a champion ship game of top 2 teams: Team that wins is the CHAMP, other team is Runner up.
The All-around player will be the next highest score.
other Awards: Most Brutal---cas from fouling and blocking
Most TD
Best Painted
Most Sporting
Wooden Spoon Smile

******FLUFF***************

The Khemri Kingdoms have been holding their Death Cup for the last couple years. The Desert Kings have won the first two Death Cups, along with the Gumpta and Beantown Bruhahaha. They stole the Chaos Cup from the Skaven team Warped Vengence after the game---many dead rats were found in the locker room. As reigning champs the Desert Kings are required to send out the invations to the khemri teams.

They hired Krinko's to do the job. Snotling Scribe Gronky McSnot screwed it up and invited every team in the bloodbowl world.....well guess the khemri will have someone to beat on Smile

AnthonyTBBF - Nov 23, 2004 - 07:17 AM
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Sounds like fun, don't forget to enter it on the tourney page so we can get it apporved.

KarlLagerbottom - Nov 23, 2004 - 10:11 AM
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Ken-
A couple of quick questions...are StarPlayers allowed at the Death Cup, and how will the MasterChef work?

Thanks. -Rob

Dig the 'Fling-centric questions? Wink

LouisX - Nov 23, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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I've got a French player for you who lives in DC. Gimme an e-mail address where he can contact you. (He's new into the circuit and he's not NAF...yet but I believe in you to make him change Wink

)

AnthonyTBBF - Nov 23, 2004 - 11:45 AM
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Ken, is this a true Invitational? If so we can't approve it for NAF ranking.

GalakStarscraper - Nov 23, 2004 - 02:56 PM
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Ken based on our conversation ... I'm moving GenCon to 80k ingredients for the Flings.

And the bonus point system for GenCon is going to look very much like what you are using if not identical. Good table.

Galak

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 23, 2004 - 03:05 PM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:

Ken, is this a true Invitational? If so we can't approve it for NAF ranking.

the snotling invited everybody Smile

so anyone who shows up is in the tourney

but NAF rankings are becoming muddled to me.... it's just bonus baby Smile

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 23, 2004 - 03:08 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Ken-
A couple of quick questions...are StarPlayers allowed at the Death Cup, and how will the MasterChef work?

Thanks. -Rob

Dig the 'Fling-centric questions? Wink

Masterchef works per LRB with extra Ingrediants costing 80k.

I'll think about the Starplayers...I've always been anti-star for tourneys but with recent price changes I think they might work.

bampf - Nov 23, 2004 - 03:55 PM
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Looks like a good time. I should be able to bring a fistful of willing participants from the Harrisburg area.

jaylazer - Nov 24, 2004 - 06:57 AM
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I will more than likely be there too.

Clan_Skaven - Nov 24, 2004 - 01:14 PM
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You say Chaos can get mutations, what about Skaven?

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 24, 2004 - 01:37 PM
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no mutations for skaven unless they use their double roll on game 3.

mutations for chaos is to promote their play and because I don't think any one mutation on chaos will overpower them....if they take 4 claws then they won't be taking block.

Xtreme - Nov 24, 2004 - 02:58 PM
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Really like the point system ken, great job.

Clan_Skaven - Nov 24, 2004 - 07:09 PM
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so Skaven can only take mutations after game 3 but chaos can take mutations any time?

Clan_Skaven - Nov 24, 2004 - 07:17 PM
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D'oh! another tourney I can't attend, I have a wedding to attend that weekend (I'm the MC) kinda gotta be there. In fact the groom is one of our BB guys from Niagara, so is the Best man, & one of the Ushers. So too bad none of us can make it.

It sounds like a great tourney!

Oh well I'll catch it in 2006. Neutral

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 24, 2004 - 07:18 PM
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Yeah, skaven are already a top tier team..they don't need any help..VLL gutter runners running around would make them even more dangerous.

there are already plenty of Skaven coaches. This rule is to promote Chaos playing in tourneys.

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 25, 2004 - 03:06 PM
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Xtreme wrote:

Really like the point system ken, great job.

thanks Bryan. I think it puts more emphasis on wins and makes bonus points a little harder to get.

Smile

Xtreme - Nov 25, 2004 - 09:03 PM
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Exactly why I like it so much, and probably will be the starting point I use for my tournament rules. Wink

Xtreme - Nov 28, 2004 - 09:59 PM
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Quote:

caused 1 more cas by fouling or blocking +5 pts
caused 2 or more cas by fouling or blocking +10pts

Probably want to reword that Ken,
I'm pretty sure youre intent was 1 or 2 more then your opponnet but someone could misunderstand it the way it is. Wink

snew - Nov 28, 2004 - 10:49 PM
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Who needs more Chaos playing? Would that include Rotters? I'd be interested to see if it does draw more coaches to Chaos or if they're already set in their ways. I suspect that the coaches that play Chaos didn't need this incentive and the other coaches that weren't going to take Chaos, still don't. I might. I don't take Block anyway. All those mutations are tempting. That'd let me try some different ones I may not normally take. 5439 Two Heads sounds interesting. Maybe one with Extra Arms to go with the Big Hand Beastman.

It just sounds like too much. I'm just wondering if they need this or if you just perceive them as a second tier tourney team. Are Lizzies next? Everyone gets doubles each round? Maybe Orc linemen should get extra skills since people don't usually take them and if they do, they don't ever give them skills, instead putting Block on the Black Orcs.

I'll watch and see how it turns out. There may be no issue. It's interesting to be sure. It will screw up ranking though as I suspect that a 4 mutation Choas team has a little better chance of winning games than one that doesn't. If a Coach does play them and ends up top ranked, was it his skill or the rules that were allowed?

Hoshi_Komi - Nov 29, 2004 - 07:09 AM
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lol. If a chaos team wins the tourney...more power to him. Lizzies are pretty good tourney team already.

The way I see it, if a chaos team is taking mutations then they aren't taking block, sure hands and other skills they usually take which would balance them right out. Also I'd like to see someone take two heads cuz no one ever does in league play.

If someone else wants to power up another team then let'em. Rankings mean squat to me. Razz

It's about having fun, and I think seeing some mutations at a tournament would be neat. Right now with a choice between two skills or a mutation a chaos player would take 2 skills.

Old_Man_Monkey - Nov 29, 2004 - 07:33 AM
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OMM from NYC:

about time you got it together and organized a tournament!
Looks great from here!

Melifaxis - Feb 10, 2005 - 03:54 PM
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Web site cloning in full swing.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 10, 2005 - 08:42 PM
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well many thanks to rob who gave me an awesome clone of his own site Smile

Well Baltimore Gamesday is cramping my style again. They are the same day as my tourney so I'm gonna move it. What would work best for everyone? May 28/29th (memorial Day weekend?) or April 30/May 1st or May 21st/22nd (I know this is bad for Jaylazer).....I'm leaning towards April 30/May 1st.

jaylazer - Feb 11, 2005 - 06:50 AM
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I would prefer May 28/29th. The 21st and 22nd are out (like you said)...can't miss my wife's B-day 2 years in a row for BB. April 30th is too close to our tourney up here (April 16-17 Details to come very soon).

I might be able to do the April 30th one but I can't guarantee it.

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 11, 2005 - 08:10 AM
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OK IT's A MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND BASH!!!!!!!!!

Hoshi_Komi - Feb 11, 2005 - 09:58 PM
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Web site is ready. Still settling on a location

Death Cup Invitational

KarlLagerbottom - Feb 20, 2005 - 04:25 AM
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Ken-
As you may have surmised from my/their performance this weekend...the Gobbos are retired. I'll need to update my registration info for your tourney...should I just PM you the new information?

-Rob

Shoggoth - Mar 12, 2005 - 02:37 AM
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Memorial day weekend, eh? I should be able to make it, and there are a number of NAF coaches in the area (Baltimore) who I don't think check the site often and would love to come. I'll spread the good word.

Hoshi_Komi - Mar 15, 2005 - 06:07 AM
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Yeah. I'm starting to get some emails from coaches in the areas. I plan on going out to the local game shops and posting flyers here soon Smile

Should be a good time...I'm getting some special hat's made up and should be plenty of fun!!!!

Tojurub - Mar 15, 2005 - 06:45 AM
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It's amazing how that website cloning works....first it was tMannheim Massacre...then it became the TKC, with a side-kick of The Sourcerer's Stone Cup, which merged to the Beentown Brouha (sp?) and now is the Death Cup....I like the link buttons on the left (because I stole them from another website and used them as link buttons for the first time)....the NAF-approved logo I created of the official NAF-logo...now that is what I call a great networking community.....and I'm glad to be a part of it Very Happy

Old_Man_Monkey - Mar 15, 2005 - 07:00 AM
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Yeah, that Tim guy is pretty handy.... Wink

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 17, 2005 - 07:06 PM
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it will be a prize at the Death Cup

Well the Death Cup is about a month away. Just got done with a great time at the Phracus and hope for a good time at the Cup.

The Death Cup is right near Potomac Mills shopping center--if anyone is interested in shopping (ie significant others)

Also with so much to do around DC, I hope people come on by.

Hoshi_Komi - Apr 25, 2005 - 06:43 PM
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one month away. I think i'll have 20 players for this one...

if you need any help please feel free to contact me Smile

Ken

Spazzfist - May 09, 2005 - 08:28 AM
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Gken,

Seeing as I was unable to make it to the Brouhaha I was looking at coming out to yours, but it's not going to work out either! But I had to say that looking over the rules that you have for this one, I relaly like it, especially the ideas of more mutations for the chaos teams - I would have brought my Rotters out to play if I had come.

Maybe next time!

Spazz

jaylazer - May 09, 2005 - 08:43 AM
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Hey Ken,

I was looking at hotel information on your site (wife might be coming) and I think there is a mistake.

I'm assuming you don't actually want us to stay at the Harvard Square hotels up in Boston.

Do you have any other suggestions? Preferably something closer to Alexandria.

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 08:43 AM
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bummer. The chaos rules have been popular...Philly Phracus used them and the Chaos coaches had more fun!

Spazzfist - May 09, 2005 - 10:16 AM
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Well I would think so, I mean what other opportunities would you hae to field such a heavily mutated team? I think that Q'ermitt is going to be getting a warpstone injection next year!

It most definitely would have been a blast! But just curious, are the coaches required to have extra models available to WYSIWYG the mutations?

Spazz

jaylazer - May 09, 2005 - 10:45 AM
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We didn't require it at the Phrakus. It really doesn't matter that much. I mean you don't have to mark the mini when the player has Mighty Blow. This is pretty much the same thing.

That being said, we did have a coach model his mutations while playing the games. Had them painted for the 2nd day.

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 11:12 AM
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jaylazer wrote:

yeah the harvard square thing is a mistake...i'll get that fixed.

Depends on your plans. If the wife is gonna go see DC proper, I think the Holiday Inn near the Eisenhower (probably not spelled right) station is a good bet. Walking distance to the Metro--which is key. Plus it's near my house and I can pick u up.

but with DC hotel prices I don't want to lock anyone into a hotel. Cuz prices vary alot. If anyone needs help looking for a hotel room feel free to pm me and I'll do some research for you.

Ken

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 11:15 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

It most definitely would have been a blast! But just curious, are the coaches required to have extra models available to WYSIWYG the mutations?
Spazz

No. I'm not gonna force that, but if they do have the mini's it's nice to see Smile

It actually worked pretty good. The Chaos coach actually didn't even use the claw in one game (either rolled super high or super low).

But if you think about it, there really isn't a super mutation except Claw (which I limited to one anyway).

and if they are taking claw...they aren't taking block!

Spazzfist - May 09, 2005 - 11:48 AM
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Oh I dunno, the big hand/extra arms combo was one that I was thinking about....

For the record, I would probably be crazy enough to plan out my advances and then have the mutants ready for the next game. But that is just me!

Spazz

KarlLagerbottom - May 09, 2005 - 01:00 PM
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Can you stack Mutations after Game 3?

-Rob

jaylazer - May 09, 2005 - 01:08 PM
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I would think you could with the Chaos guys. Since the mutations count as normal skills for them.

skummy - May 09, 2005 - 02:12 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Can you stack Mutations after Game 3?

-Rob

I would say no. Claw/RSC is simply too good a combo for that to happen.

snew - May 09, 2005 - 02:17 PM
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I'd say no too. Some mutie combos are very effective.

Spazz mentioned Warpstone. Leave it home. Let Chaos take Muts if you like but not Skaven. They're good enough without a bunch of VLL GRs and Claw SVs running around.

skummy - May 09, 2005 - 02:19 PM
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Yes, that is the policy at the Death Cup. No Skaven mutations allowed, unless you take 'em on a real doubles roll.

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 03:25 PM
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As for Claw/RSC, I don't see a problem with it. It will be for only 2 games. Stacking 2 skills on one player for chaos...when they definitley could use the other skills....and he still has no block. So i'm gonna allow it for chaos.

Skaven get no mutations unless they use their doubles choice after game 3.

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 03:25 PM
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THIS JUST IN!!! THE NEW HUMAN TEAM WILL BE A PRIZE AT THE DEATHCUP!!!

Ranthorn - May 09, 2005 - 07:46 PM
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Big hand played a very decisive role in me tying my last game at the phrakus. As well, I think claws is a poop skill. Just my 2 cents !

Josh

Hoshi_Komi - May 09, 2005 - 08:51 PM
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Ranthorn wrote:

As well, I think claws is a poop skill. Just my 2 cents !

Josh

LMAO!

Ranthorn - May 10, 2005 - 04:23 AM
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You're only laughing at me cause you're evil rats took him and my tentacle minotaur out on the first turn before I could maim any of them. Crying or Very sad

Josh

snew - May 10, 2005 - 12:08 PM
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And what's not funny about that? Worship

Hoshi_Komi - May 10, 2005 - 12:26 PM
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funny thing is that I mauled an orc and the chaos team. pretty funny Smile

KarlLagerbottom - May 10, 2005 - 02:52 PM
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Rats were running rampant at the Phrakus...going into the final round three Skaven teams and an Ogre team were all tied for the most casualties. I of course drew the worst opponent by having to play Orks...still only lost by two. Smile

-Rob

OdoGoodgrubb - May 11, 2005 - 07:58 AM
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gken1 wrote:

THIS JUST IN!!! THE NEW HUMAN TEAM WILL BE A PRIZE AT THE DEATHCUP!!!

Cool! I am very much looking forward to the tourney. Smile

Hoshi_Komi - May 18, 2005 - 08:44 AM
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two weeks left...........

jaylazer - May 18, 2005 - 10:11 AM
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Ken,

My wife is coming with me so we'll be staying at that Courtyard by Mariotte.

She has graciously given me permission to be out as late as I want on Saturday. Smile

KarlLagerbottom - May 18, 2005 - 12:15 PM
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It's starting to look a bit better for me as well...still not 100%, but looking better.

-Rob

Hoshi_Komi - May 18, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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cool guys

Jay/Rob, Any word on if Val was coming? He mentioned he was interested but haven't seen him. Just wondering if either of you could give him a buzz.

Ken

jaylazer - May 18, 2005 - 01:03 PM
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I just sent Val an email. I'll let you know what he says.

Hoshi_Komi - May 22, 2005 - 07:31 PM
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trophies are done. I think they look ok for what little modeling skills I have Smile

jaylazer - May 23, 2005 - 06:47 AM
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Val has told me that he wants to come but might not be able to.

He'll let me know this week.

Hoshi_Komi - May 24, 2005 - 08:05 AM
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home stretch.............. Smile

bring it!!!

bampf - May 24, 2005 - 09:52 AM
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I may have one or two more from Harrisburg. Probably three total. Maybe four.

And for the record I m registered as bringing Undead but my painting backlog will force me to switch to Lizards... Purple Saurus Rex looking to stay undefeated in tournament play!!

Hoshi_Komi - May 24, 2005 - 11:41 AM
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bampf wrote:

I may have one or two more from Harrisburg. Probably three total. Maybe four.

watch out DC....the harrisburg Mafia is coming to town Smile

Melifaxis - May 24, 2005 - 01:45 PM
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Hide your women and Mongolian BBQ

CyberHare - May 25, 2005 - 03:47 PM
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I don't know if there are many women hanging out at the Mongolian BBQ. Unless that's some sort of weird DC pick up joint Very Happy

Old_Man_Monkey - May 26, 2005 - 06:54 AM
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but would you favor a woman hanging out at the Mongolian BBQ? Kinda scary, really, but maybe...

Spazzfist - May 26, 2005 - 07:09 AM
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I imagine someone who could have modelled for the ogre cheerleader model.... <shudder>

Hoshi_Komi - May 26, 2005 - 07:58 PM
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2 more days. Should be a decent turn out for US tourney Smile

I got 8 guys from the local league showing up. the harrisburg mafia, the philly boyz, some more locals, and a guy from england and france signed up...seems like the france guy is gonna make it, england guy didn't give his email so I hope he shows Smile

bampf - May 27, 2005 - 09:15 AM
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Alas some cancellations means Harrisburg Mafia is back down to 2.

KarlLagerbottom - May 27, 2005 - 04:46 PM
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...yep...sorry Ken...I'm gonna have to ask you to drop the "Z" form Philly Boyz...I can't make it this time aroud.

It's not like I would even get a sniff of it, but having a shot at that new Human Team as a prize would have been nice.

Have fun guys.
-Rob

Melifaxis - May 28, 2005 - 11:49 AM
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There's a human team at the Brouhaha too Rob if you can get your project wrapped up and in good shape Very Happy

Hope everyone in DC is having a blast! I'm sure Ken is running a top notch event and telling everyone all about the bitch slapping he gave me on FUMBBL last night Wink

Hoshi_Komi - May 29, 2005 - 05:21 PM
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Well great tourney...15 players! ---Skummy ref'd!

Winner: Paul Snyder from Lynchberg (morak)
Runner Up: Rafael from CT via France---should be a Boston Bruha
MVP: Dave from FNBBL
Most TD: John from FNBBL
Most Cas: Nik from Arlington
Best Painted: Jeremy (bampf) again with his Lizzie team
Most Sporting: Jay (jaylazer) Don't know how this happened....

The final was Dwarves vs Undead and it went to DOUBLE OT!!!!

with the final being 2-1. Well played by both teams.

I hope Paul gets on here and gives a good recount of the game cuz I didn't watch enough. Just got down to the wire with every roll being critical and all RR's being long gone.

Hoshi_Komi - May 30, 2005 - 10:57 AM
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results are entered!!!

bampf - May 30, 2005 - 08:10 PM
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Thanks Ken and Chirs for a great tourney! The double OT was a crazy finish to a fine weekend. I really enjoyed myself.

My highlights:
I scored a fair number of TDs despite playing two games entirely in the rain.

I beat Nick s dwarfs 3-0 despite having a single mini left on the pitch at the end of the game (8 Cas againts for those scoring at home).

Losing a 3-1 lead to John s wood elves was much easier to take when I killed that wardancer on turn 8! If I had done that a few turns earlier it would have been an easy W.

Sotek demanded a turn of greatness: my turn 8 of the first half against undead. There s a ghoul a couple spaces from scoring and I have no one nearby to stop an easy turn 8 score. So one skink makes 3 dodges for a die down block... Pow- Pow. Ghoul goes down and is stunned. My Sure Hands skink gets up off the ground, makes four dodges through countless tackle zones, two go for its and then picks the ball up in the rain in a TZ! Yes. And he wasn t done there. He was stuck in a wight s TZ so, he then withstood two 2 die blocks from the wight (re-rolled) and a two die ghoul blitz to maintain control of the ball as the halftime buzzer sounded!

Madness!! Madness I tell. That skink is now my hero.

And I do feel bad about winning Best Painted two tourneys in a row with the same team... my pro elves will be done in time for Beantown!

jaylazer - May 31, 2005 - 06:50 AM
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I'd like to add my thanks to Bampf's, Ken and Chris.

Had a great time down there. A lot of great coaches and a whole lot of fun.

My only real highlight was coming back from a 0-2 deficit at half-time to beat Steve's High Elves (with my woodies) 3-2.

I was surprised to win the Best Sportsman. I had several rough games but tried my best to have fun in spite of them. Apparently I did a good job.

Thanks again everyone.

Hoshi_Komi - May 31, 2005 - 03:47 PM
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jaylazer wrote:

I was surprised to win the Best Sportsman. I had several rough games but tried my best to have fun in spite of them. Apparently I did a good job.

Thanks again everyone.

I gotta give Jay special thanks for giving my flings their only win Smile

Ken

Hoshi_Komi - May 31, 2005 - 04:38 PM
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