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MattRobson - Mar 11, 2003 - 12:16 PM
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Ok its been over a week now since the 2003 Blood Bowl was held, now is the time to look forward to next year. So what would everyone like to see done for next years big event 
Personaly i would like to see a star player free tourney(as would most) , i think it would be good to maybe be able to give more than one skill to a player, and maybe the winner of the BB could have this player put into the hall of fame or made ito a official SP??
Deathwing - Mar 11, 2003 - 02:47 PM
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MattRobson wrote:
Ok its been over a week now since the 2003 Blood Bowl was held, now is the time to look forward to next year. So what would everyone like to see done for next years big event
Personaly i would like to see a star player free tourney(as would most) , i think it would be good to maybe be able to give more than one skill to a player, and maybe the winner of the BB could have this player put into the hall of fame or made ito a official SP??
lol! Burning the midnight oil most of last night trying to get the rankings finalised, get up to find more errant Spaniards, a Mr Bull I missed because GW had him down as Mr Ball..Zynox switching races at the last minute and causing more problems....
And Matt's on about next year!!! 
lol...I need a holiday...(anywhere but Spain!) 
coachblacknife - Mar 11, 2003 - 04:32 PM
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+1 painting point for having coaching staff represented (see thread on Hosting Tournaments)
+1 point for having your own range ruler (not serious here - just that I had some 'foreign gentlemen' interrupt me mid-turn THREE times to reach ACROSS the pitch and nab my ruler).
No Star Players
Start with one skill
The free water was a nice touch - and most appreciated!
No announcements about Mail Orders mid-game
Adding time on at the end to compensate for the ten-minute "don't start playing yet as we have some nonsense we'd like to announce", er announcements
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 02:43 AM
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Ok this is a christmas wish post....
1/ No star player allowed.... it's too good for the first teams human and ork......
2/ start with one skill
3/ see the BIG match on video.... last game after everybody else play....
4/ drink more beer.... I don't know how but I have to....
5/ special fig.... even an ugly one....
Lucy - Mar 12, 2003 - 02:59 AM
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Fondu77 wrote:
4/ drink more beer.... I don't know how but I have to....
I was surprised by this one as well, Apart from the 16 year old I played, I offered all my opponents a beer after the match. Not one wanted one.
I was shocked. And these were all NAF coaches 
My last opponent was a Viking for Griff's sake and even he didn't want to drink a pint. Next year, I wanna play the French and move the board to Bugman 
, at least we'll be able to have a pint (and a smoke) during the game.
Lucy
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:18 AM
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this one is for you lucy....
I was too shy to post that but.....
6/ each tuchdown/injurie/doubleskull the coach drink a little glass of vodka.... If this rule is not official next year I'll do my own tournament....
The sad thing is that I already know a probable top 3.... I have to train....
someone interested? Lucy for sure you'r in
Lucy - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:26 AM
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Fondu77 wrote:
this one is for you lucy....
I was too shy to post that but.....
6/ each tuchdown/injurie/doubleskull the coach drink a little glass of vodka.... If this rule is not official next year I'll do my own tournament....
The sad thing is that I already know a probable top 3.... I have to train....
someone interested? Lucy for sure you'r in
Change it to beer and I'm in. I never drink any other alcoholic beverage but beer. So wine, wodka, gin and whiskey even,,,,,,, they're all out.
Lucy
I WANNA PLAY AT BUGMAN'S.....
Longshot - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:29 AM
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i play against Dutch only at Bugmans
with beer and that was quite good to me !
Beer is the way to wisdom of Bloodbowl...
Lucy - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:38 AM
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Longshot wrote:
i play against Dutch only at Bugmans
with beer and that was quite good to me !
Beer is the way to wisdom of Bloodbowl...
Agreed... If you haven't played the French at BB, you just haven't played the game.... Also, more tickets for the French (and Dutch) next year.....
Lucy
I have a 100% score against the French 
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:42 AM
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Lucy wrote:
Longshot wrote:
i play against Dutch only at Bugmans
with beer and that was quite good to me !
Beer is the way to wisdom of Bloodbowl...
Agreed... If you haven't played the French at BB, you just haven't played the game.... Also, more tickets for the French (and Dutch) next year.....
Lucy
I have a 100% score against the French
So true so true....
But the real big deal was to play pool in fact....gorgeous time
no DUTCH tournament soon...?
Lucy - Mar 12, 2003 - 04:04 AM
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We already had two tournaments in Holland.
Those will remain, but unfortunately none in the near future....
Lucy
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 04:13 AM
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...shit (hihihihihihi)
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 04:46 AM
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i'll wait
Indigo - Mar 12, 2003 - 05:31 AM
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1) No star players
2) Modified sportsmanship awards, giving out upto 5 points for each player, then having boundaries for sportsmanship pts. scored to translate into tourny points. Alternatively, you can rank each coach according to their sportsmanship, i.e. most sporting gets 6, next most gets 5, then 4, 3, 2 etc. with boundaries to translate to tournament points.
3) Possibly a similar system as above to rate painting. Some of the teams I played were pretty crap painted, but their score was fairly high. By letting us as coaches rate the painting, it will even out opinions.
4) A much better free mini.
5) More of those seminars!
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 05:33 AM
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FREe BBBBBBBBEEEEER
Doubleskulls - Mar 12, 2003 - 05:41 AM
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1) No stars
2) More points for a draw than a loss by 1 (5-3-2-1-0 sounds fine)
3) 1,100,000 starting teams
4) Net TDs as the 1st tie breaker - then total Tds then total casualties.
5) Someone else to drive on Saturday night
A different sportsmanship scoring system. I don't know what but I want to be able to reward as many coaches as deserve it, not just 1. Giving 1 point for no votes is silly too - there is no incentive not to be a w#nker as you'll get the same points as someone else.
Players Painting Award - Have a separate judges award and players award. Let me vote for any of the teams I want to - maybe I want to reward creativity, concept or technical excellence. I didn't particularly like the choice offered.
While I'm on the subject, how about letting teams be eligable for the painting award so long as the painter is present. I borrowed Geggsters Orcs, which IMO were better than Orcs in the painting final 3. As he was there and playing why can't he win the painting award for a team he has lent out.
Fondu77 - Mar 12, 2003 - 06:59 AM
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the sad thing was to get ONE award for painting....
If gifts are as expensive as this year (no gift....lol)
BB HQ can make a 10 best painter award.... just to get an opportunity for us to get new ideas... (for me in fact)
Longshot - Mar 12, 2003 - 07:30 AM
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1) less Computers bugs.
2)more award (something better for the winner=unreleased min for ex)
3)a mini and not a coin
4)watch the final in the bugman after all the Tourny ended
Moreflexibility ref: there were very nice but a story sounds evil to my ears:
A player was about to score during the two last turns of the game (so 5 minutes max) and the ref only said: no, it is too late and ended the game on a draw.
And it wasnt close from the next round time. I was badly surprised by this story.
But all the organisers and ref that i talked with were very nice.
EvilGit - Mar 12, 2003 - 09:22 AM
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i don't really care about how they run the tourney next year, for me it was a well run thing this year (although this was my first one so what do i know)
other than that i think i might leave the halflings at home, especially as i'm making up some norse out of the chaos marauders box set.
smeborg - Mar 12, 2003 - 09:56 AM
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No Star Players please.
A 3-day tournament.
If still a 2-day tournament, then start the first game on both days at 9:00 a.m. Consider having a 4th game on the Saturday (6 rounds of Swiss system with a field of 150-200 is not enough - you need a minimum of 7 rounds).
And Lucy, I don't remember refusing a beer (rather unlike me), but if I did, it was only because I was jet-lagged after flying from Singapore, and so was worried about the effectof alcohol. As it was, I felt quite sleepy during the last games of both days.
Cheers
Smeborg the Fleshless
MattRobson - Mar 12, 2003 - 10:35 AM
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3) 1,100,000 starting teams
why would you up the Gp cost of the team above the 1,000,000 starting limit if you also dont want stars???
I think for a all rookie team a cool Million is more than enough?would the extra 100,000 make a great diffrence??
What do you all think about the start with 1 skill (should this just be a skill or could it be anything, attribute bonus/physical traite ect) and/or be able to give as many of your skills to one player as you wish???
do you think this would lead to MEGA players or should coaches be able to put all there eggs into one basket???
martynq - Mar 12, 2003 - 11:02 AM
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MattRobson wrote:
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3) 1,100,000 starting teams
why would you up the Gp cost of the team above the 1,000,000 starting limit if you also dont want stars???
I think for a all rookie team a cool Million is more than enough?would the extra 100,000 make a great diffrence??
It would for elves. About the best 1000k setup I can think of for a dark elf team for such a tournament would be:
2 blitzers (200k)
1 witch elf (110k)
8 lineelves (560k)
2 rerolls (100k)
3 ff
With 1100k, it gives you just a bit more flexibility to come up with something more competitive and more position players.
How about:
3 blitzers (300k)
2 witch elves (220k)
1 thrower (90k)
5 lineelves (350k)
2 rerolls (100k)
4 ff
or reduce a position player to a lineelf and gain another re-roll.
Martyn
mawph - Mar 12, 2003 - 02:42 PM
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extra games sounds good. It was a great weekend but any advance in value for money is good. Would have like a special ed mini though
MattRobson - Mar 12, 2003 - 03:29 PM
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Oh i understand some teams would benefit from the extra cash? but surly the price of Elf players is to ballance them?
i think other teams would have no real need for the extra 100k.
i used orc with Varag at the BB my roster was:-
3 Blitzers
3 Black orcs
1 Varag
1 ogre
1 thrower
1 line man
1 goblin
2 re rolls (inc Varags)
3 FF
drop varag and add 100k thats an extra 260k to spend!!! which would let me max out on blitzers and BOB's!!!
Darkson - Mar 12, 2003 - 06:59 PM
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Lucy wrote:
Fondu77 wrote:
4/ drink more beer.... I don't know how but I have to....
I was surprised by this one as well, Apart from the 16 year old I played, I offered all my opponents a beer after the match. Not one wanted one.
I was shocked. And these were all NAF coaches
My last opponent was a Viking for Griff's sake and even he didn't want to drink a pint. Next year, I wanna play the French and move the board to Bugman
, at least we'll be able to have a pint (and a smoke) during the game.
Lucy
Missed out there, I only sat next to you game 1 
My wishes:
1) NO stars
2) No stars
3) No stars
4) Some why of getting more variety into the teams I faced (3 orcs [2 the same] and 2 CD's [both th same])
5) Better mini.
6) Better placing
Chris - Mar 12, 2003 - 08:17 PM
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1.) Riot reduced to D3 turns. i don't mnd it in normal games, but when i've payed for the privalege of playing, i would like more than an hours gameplay. Lose an odd turn, it's gutting, lose 6, and thats half the game gone. You now have an hour of waiting around for everyone else to finish.
2.) Players get a choice on SP. You can buy a star player, or award any 1 player on your team the equivalent of 2 double 1 on the dice skill rolls.
3.) Award for best club. Something like take the average of the three best players from each club, and see who is the highest.
4.) Actual prizes for the winners.
Cidervampire - Mar 13, 2003 - 02:53 PM
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1. No stars (unless they are heavily reworked)
2. Couple of free skills to start with
3. Final game on last screened in bar
4. Riot at d3 turns (thankfully no riots this tourney, well gutted to get a 6 turn riot at spikey when I had destroyed the other team and end with a draw)
5. Real miniature, not a shite coin
6. Painting award to stay the same, as long as you had a decent looking team you knew you'd get 3 points which was good.
7. Sportmanship for me was not a factor as most people got 1 point, though it did push that guy up to 2nd. Though we should give people who are cretins a good kicking. One guy from our club won his game only to have the other player insist it was a draw, obvioulsy it was impossible for the ref to call.
8. Would be nice to have more games so that as long as you won every game you got to the final, but thats probably not too practical.
9. Force everyone to join the NAF! (I got 2 wins that are not listed)
10 Get those GW scrooges to offer some prizes. Back in 88 they gave me £50 for being the regional champ and the same again for being a runner up in the finals.
LouisX - Mar 14, 2003 - 04:31 AM
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I'm in for that kind of play (i mean the alcohol! ) Although we would need special assitance in 2 half time to push that damn turn counter!
and if the game is a draw, let's rule it at the bar!
what's worse than refusing a beer? Taking a half pint!!!
Fondu77 - Mar 14, 2003 - 04:32 AM
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so true LX
1235/ a mini of silvya
check
http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4980&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105
Longshot - Mar 14, 2003 - 05:42 AM
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1/ More girls
Fondu77 - Mar 14, 2003 - 05:45 AM
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sure
Slinky78 - Mar 17, 2003 - 06:33 AM
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MattRobson wrote:
Oh i understand some teams would benefit from the extra cash? but surly the price of Elf players is to ballance them?
i think other teams would have no real need for the extra 100k.
i used orc with Varag at the BB my roster was:-
3 Blitzers
3 Black orcs
1 Varag
1 ogre
1 thrower
1 line man
1 goblin
2 re rolls (inc Varags)
3 FF
drop varag and add 100k thats an extra 260k to spend!!! which would let me max out on blitzers and BOB's!!!
I hope that wasn't your bb roster because that looks to me like 10k over the million. 24+24+16+12+7+5+4+6+3=101k.
Cidervampire - Mar 17, 2003 - 04:39 PM
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more midgets
lowsman - Mar 18, 2003 - 01:16 AM
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I'd certainly say go to 1.1 million. It allows for much more team variety, and different team choices. One person commented on the strength of 4 BoB's and 4 Blitzers, but if you look across each race you can build a very strong team. It allows the DE's and HE's to build a manageable team, whilst in the 1 mill environment they struggle to be competitive.
I'd prefer to see no star players, but there should be a cap of one per team.
Teams should not start with a skill. Certain players (and teams) benefit far more from the acquisiton of skills and it forces you to play one game without that benefit.
I like the one skill per game, and no traits or mutations.
A free mini would be nice.....
Changes to the scoring system. Sportsmanship is a joke at the mo, and a draw and 1 point loss should have a slight difference.
Richard
Squiggoth - Mar 19, 2003 - 02:19 AM
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Longshot wrote:
Beer is the way to wisdom of Bloodbowl...
Well in Amsterdam I was drinking beer and still didn't win. Must be because it was Heineken (and hurrah for Bugman's serving Grolsch!)
Martijn (Grolsch-luvva)
Fondu77 - Mar 19, 2003 - 03:24 AM
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More BEEEEEEEEEEErrrrr
more girls.... hum... useless.... I had the french team.....lol
Aramil - Mar 19, 2003 - 06:34 AM
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1) More tickets for the Tournament [one only Italian player it's not enought! We're strong, and me must show the world our ability (I'm joking)]
2) No star players
3) More money [I personally play Dark Elves... with just a million, we're not able to do nothing! 
]
4) Create national Tournaments, and giving some tickets to winners of each ones... in order to avoid having tons of english [nothing againts them... I love Englad... I study, in fact, in an English University 
] but just the highest level of players from all around the world.
5) More tickets
6) More tickets!!! [yes, I stayed at home... ]
Doubleskulls - Mar 19, 2003 - 06:52 AM
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Aramil wrote:
4) Create national Tournaments, and giving some tickets to winners of each ones... in order to avoid having tons of english [nothing againts them... I love Englad... I study, in fact, in an English University
] but just the highest level of players from all around the world.
There were a lot of coaches who weren't British - 14 or 15 nationalities represented.
I don't think there will be any more tickets as Warhammer World is full with 100 Blood Bowl games going on.
Fondu77 - Mar 19, 2003 - 09:39 AM
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hey... I was there.... I don't speak english untill I'm drunk....so
Fondu77 - Mar 19, 2003 - 09:39 AM
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hey... I was there.... I don't speak english untill I'm drunk....so
Aramil - Mar 19, 2003 - 06:54 PM
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I don't think there will be any more tickets as Warhammer World is full with 100 Blood Bowl games going on.
That's why I propose to give some tickets to the winners of national championships: if just 140/150 coaches can partecipate at the Tournament [that's a pity ], we must create a pre-selection, and avoid the very ugly "the first who calls, gets the ticket".
And, doing so, we can create real national throphies... with thir own importance. Just think that this year, at the first Italian Championship, held during the Italian Golden Demon, only 16 teams partecipated....
I'll do an example of my idea:
140 tickes divided by the number of nations which have a NAF member [I repeat... it's an example...] = number of tikets for every nation
If a nation has less than this number of partecipants interested, the surplus of tickets will be divided by the nations who are more interested in partecipate.
Doing so, we will have the REAl BloodBowl Tournament, which will be contended by the REAL best coaches of the world!
Obviously that's just an idea.... 
smeborg - Mar 19, 2003 - 07:22 PM
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Aramil -
I like your idea.
Cheers
Smeborg the Fleshless
Lucy - Mar 20, 2003 - 02:27 AM
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I don't like the idea actually.
I still believe that BB is a game of fun first and competiviness second. If people see that it will be a really competitive "magic the Gathering" like tournament, it will scare them off.
So, I hope they will keep doing it the same way.
Furthermore, although it's the largest tournament, it's probably not the best. Smaller tournaments like the French Open are tournaments with much more preparation and organised in much more detail (like cheap sleeping accomodation).
So, like the conservative bastard I am, I hope not too much will change.
Lucy
Doubleskulls - Mar 20, 2003 - 02:49 AM
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Aramil wrote:
avoid the very ugly "the first who calls, gets the ticket".
I realise you were unfortunate and didn't get a ticket, but when they sell out so fast you know you are getting hardcore BB fans.
coachblacknife - Mar 20, 2003 - 03:14 AM
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The irony of you being at an English University is that, if you were in Italy, the tickets would have gone on sale at 10am, not 8am due to the timezone difference. Not as much coffee required
Actually, I called at 12:30 (GMT) and got one, so there seems to be no problem in the first five hours of sales. Was quite quiet too by the time I called.
Oh, and I totally agree that it should be kept non-competitive. I saw at two coaches who pretended not to understand the words "Illegal Procedure". Strange really as the tickets were booked in English, the rulebook at the tournament was in English, and ... >sigh< never mind it's just a game, right?
Melifaxis - Mar 20, 2003 - 08:45 AM
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No Star Players always gets my vote, and hopefully I can get a ticket for 2004!
MattRobson - Mar 20, 2003 - 10:21 AM
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I agree with Lucy first come first served is the fairest way.
I was up at 8 on the morning the tickets went on sale i had had about 4 hours sleep and had the biggest hang over of my life!! but it was well worth being on hold for 20 mins!! and i will be doing the same again when the ticket go on sale again
Indigo - Mar 24, 2003 - 03:05 AM
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heh Matt you still haven't explained how your roster seems to weigh in at TR 101...
Slinky78 - Mar 24, 2003 - 06:18 AM
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I don't see a big problem with their being a predominance of English coaches at the bloodbowl if it's in England... it almost sounds sensible in fact. Was surprised by how many people came from aborad, it was good to see. But have to agree with the 'it's for fun' camp. If we get to the stage of national heats etc then relative newcomers would be automatically excluded. Just because you have a bloodbowl obsession doesn't actually make you more worthy of a ticket in my opinion. Anyone who wants to call at 8.00am or whatever should have a chance for a ticket. If you want selective world ranking events go and take up a real sport, not a board game.
MattRobson - Mar 24, 2003 - 08:44 AM
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oops!
My Roster At the BB03 was correct, the one i posted had 1 FF to much!
coachblacknife - Mar 25, 2003 - 04:16 AM
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One thing I noticed at the BBGT was that there were, what, 175 players turning up for 200 spaces. One of our crew came down to take advantage of the 10% non-show (a little higher at the BBGT, but 10% is a good rule of thumb but couldn't buy a ticket on the day.
Now I understand that the 25 missing coaches may have shown up, but you *could* pre-register any such over-eager coaches and let them into the hall after registration closes... Or have I been spending too much time with Hobgoblins?
The alternative was that the 175th player had to play against a GW staff member who couldn't win the tournament. Not much fun really.
Indigo - Mar 25, 2003 - 05:24 AM
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was that GW staff member Alessio, or did he register for the tourny like everyone else?
Squiggoth - Mar 25, 2003 - 06:25 AM
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I don't think staff members can participate in GW tournaments. At the Golden Deamons they can only enter at the Open Catgeory (which means they can't win the Slayer Sword) and they're excluded from Grand Tournaments. They can however participate in Fanatic tournaments (which is probably also what the BB is), so perhaps he was there to claim the cup indeed
Martijn (who isn't really allowed to play in Fanatic tournaments and is suddenly wondering wether the BB is or is not organized by Fanatic? )
Redfang - Mar 25, 2003 - 07:02 AM
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I want a free ticket with all expenses paid...
Guess I'm not gonna get that, huh...
R
Cidervampire - Mar 25, 2003 - 07:34 AM
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more midgets!
Top prize to be presented by Bridget
more victories against the French
A better showing by the English, by golly we invented the game
skummy - Mar 25, 2003 - 07:47 AM
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At the Baltimore GT, we did have a staff member step in to fill the odd number for one game until an opponent showed up.
LouisX - Mar 25, 2003 - 09:25 AM
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Cidervampire wrote: Quote:
more victories against the French
In your dreams man!!!
There's gonna be more French next team which means more victories for the great country of the stinking cheese!
Deathwing - Mar 25, 2003 - 02:45 PM
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The restriction from staff members participating in GTs was lifted a while back (last year?). I remember reading it in WD.
Al_the_Trowel - Mar 30, 2003 - 04:15 PM
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Something that hasn't been mentioned is incongruity between GW wanting to encourage painting as an integral part of the hobby, yet not rewarding those who field self painted teams. I am just bitter that I dropped a point in painting by using my own minis mind (which as far as I could tell met the criteria shite though they were). However, GW say painting has to be counted towards final ranking because it is part of the hobby which they want to encourage, but then there is no benefit for using your own minis. So knowing I'm never going to win a painting trophy what incentive is there for me to keep at it rather than buying a team pro-painted, or borrowing some of Geggster's?
Otherwise another vote for no stars.