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Redfang - Apr 09, 2003 - 02:24 AM
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I'm thinking about taking the following Chaos team to the French Open:

1 Mino
3 CW
7 BM
3 RR
6 FF

Or the same roster with 4 CW and 1 BM and 4 FF less.

My other option is a Dwarf team (with no stupid ogre)

Can somebody with some Chaos-at-Tournaments experience give me some useful advice.

BTW If I play Chaos, I will take the mino, so don't start telling me I should take an Ogre (Ogres, bwah, where's the puke smiley)

R

snew - Apr 09, 2003 - 07:23 AM
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You're anti-Ogre but willing to take a WA?!? Shocked

Don't you play to win?

Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 08:24 AM
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What?!?!? An Ogre hater????? (where's the crying smiley?) Crying or Very sad

Anyway, Chaos at tournaments are very good. Or not. It depends on the amounts of 1's and 6's rolled, I guess... Wink

Martijn

Redfang - Apr 09, 2003 - 08:57 AM
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I think Ogres are dull
They are the big guy everybody who can have big guys takes
They are no fun fluff-wise, they look stupid (more stupid than they are meant to look)
They are allowed to WAAAAAAY too much teams
They are underpriced
I just don't like them

Mino's on the other hand are out of control
Stronger than Ogres (Slightly; Horns)
Cool
Good looking Figs
And I got an old Keeper of Secrets model as a mino for my Chaos team, and that model Rocks!!!

Those are my reasons, but I'll probably end up playing dwarfs again. I'm just a bit affraid to ruin my Coach ranking even more, since I'm not going to take an Ogre, and every other Dwarf team out there does (and there are quite some already)...
Also I like playing with some special figs, as long as they look the part, in it and the Keeper of Secrets certainly makes a better impression than just 1 1st edition Dwarf as a runner.

R

Squiggoth - Apr 09, 2003 - 10:25 AM
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Redfang wrote:

Well, you got some points I gotta agree with. Still, once an Ogre lover, always an Ogre lover. But I think being an Ogre lover has to do with having an I.Q. above 30 Wink

Anyways, my Chaos Dwarfs are getting a Minotaur since Chaos Dwarfs are bull-worshippers, and I make sure to make fun of any Skaven Coach who dares field an Ogre instead of his ratty counterpart. And Elves with Ogres? That's asking to be spanked and burned at the stake afterwards!
Ogres for Orcs, Chaos, Norse and Humans,

Martijn

SBG - Apr 09, 2003 - 11:23 AM
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Squigg, after playing almost a season with a minotaur, I can tell you that you won't regret it !

It almost never caused me trouble, it now has Block (and closing in to 16 SPP's !!!) and is feared by all the league !! I just love him !

Fred

Melifaxis - Apr 09, 2003 - 12:22 PM
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Wild Animal has its drawbacks, but if you use him intelligently, a mino can rock!

Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 01:14 AM
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But back to subject; can anybody who's got experience with using Chaos at Tournaments give me some advice.

And also; what is the best, intelligent, way to use a Mino?

R

Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:24 AM
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Concordia wrote:

Loving a man with a bull's head? Maybe you should seek professional help? Wink

Anyways, I've just bought a Minotaur last week. Now all I have to do is convert and paint a team and then I'm gonna test yout theory. Although I could do without that Wild Animal, I guess... Confused

Martijn

Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:25 AM
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Redfang wrote:

But back to subject; can anybody who's got experience with using Chaos at Tournaments give me some advice.

And also; what is the best, intelligent, way to use a Mino?

R

Well, the fact that he's strong and big-horned AND a Wild Animal seems to me he's the perfect blitzer... But then again I'm not noted for my tactics Embarassed

Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:32 AM
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The perfect Blitzer, do you really think so...
Wow, why didn't I come up with that...

But I guess it is also necessary to keep him away from those large groups of linemen ready to give each other lots of assists, and always having to move first should hamper his use as a Blitzer somewhat...

R

Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 02:54 AM
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Redfang wrote:

The perfect Blitzer, do you really think so...
Wow, why didn't I come up with that...

Well, you could also use him as a cheerleader I guess... Rolling Eyes

Dave - Apr 10, 2003 - 03:55 AM
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hasn't got t!ts Laughing

Redfang - Apr 10, 2003 - 03:56 AM
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It has one tit...

R

Squiggoth - Apr 10, 2003 - 04:40 AM
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And a big one, too!
But Nurgle cheerleaders have tits filled with Nurglings... Rolling Eyes

Lloyd - Apr 14, 2003 - 08:09 AM
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I played against a norse team that had a minotaur at Cancon and I took full advantage of it. Twisted Evil

It got to the point that I was effectively having twice as many turns as him because the first thing he had to do every second turn was a two dice block my choice.

By the way just in case you where thinking I was using an ogre to cause this evil ploy think again. I was using Dark Elves. Wink

Minotaurs can be fun and useful if the're used in a limited fashion but I think the're bad news for a starting team. Rolling Eyes

coachblacknife - Apr 15, 2003 - 03:46 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

Redfang wrote:

The perfect Blitzer, do you really think so...
Wow, why didn't I come up with that...

Well, you could also use him as a cheerleader I guess... Rolling Eyes

First up: don't field a Minotaur as a traditional Blitzer! If he gets surrounded, then you'll never have another turn for the whole drive... HOWEVER, if you leave him back-field when you receive then your opponent gets a nasty surprise when they send their catchers through. After all you should outnumber him on your half of the pitch Smile

Next: After my first game with the Minotaur I was tempted to make him an Assistant Coach. My TR was spiralling and I hadn't figured out how to use him. Kept him in the team and now love him long time!

snew - Apr 15, 2003 - 08:56 AM
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Redfang wrote:

But back to subject; can anybody who's got experience with using Chaos at Tournaments give me some advice.

I guess not.

snew - Apr 15, 2003 - 09:04 AM
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Redfang wrote:

All true except I kind of like the size and the way some of the 1st/2nd ed ones look.

Redfang wrote:

They are underpriced

Isn't this exactly the kind of loophole you want to take advantage of in a Tournament?

Redfang wrote:

I just don't like them

No problems with this one. Some do, some don't.

Redfang wrote:

Mino's on the other hand are out of control
Stronger than Ogres (Slightly; Horns)
Cool
Good looking Figs
And I got an old Keeper of Secrets model as a mino for my Chaos team, and that model Rocks!!!

I love Minotaurs for the same reasons.

Redfang wrote:

Those are my reasons, but I'll probably end up playing dwarfs again. I'm just a bit affraid to ruin my Coach ranking even more, since I'm not going to take an Ogre, and every other Dwarf team out there does (and there are quite some already)...
Also I like playing with some special figs, as long as they look the part, in it and the Keeper of Secrets certainly makes a better impression than just 1 1st edition Dwarf as a runner.

R

I thought the coach's rating was based on the team also. That's why some people are on the list multiple times. They may be a fantastic Elf coach but a terrible Dwarf coach. That's what I thought the idea was behind it anyway.

snew - Apr 15, 2003 - 09:28 AM
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One last thing. I've never played in a tournament but I have played hundreds of game. When it comes right down to it, a pure team, no allies/Big Guys, is better as a whole and more reliable. Big Guys will usually cost you a positional player with skills and he has the negative trait. The BG himself may be strong but the team has usually been cut somewhere to make room for him. Identify and take advantage of those deficiencies if you can. Some of this has been negated if you can give a skill each match to a player of your choice. Chaos has no skills and reasonably inexpensive Beastmen but the whole team lacks skills. Re-rolls would be my focus if I were to take Chaos.

It sounds like you want fluff and you want to win. A pure team is sound, fluff-wise, too. I also think they have the better chance of pulling off a win.

Redfang - Apr 16, 2003 - 02:11 AM
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I've already decided to go for an Ogre-less Dwarf team; to hell with my Coach Ranking; at least I'll have a moral victory over two other Dwarf coaches who do take an Ogre.

Just deciding on some minor points now, and then the Grizdal Grizzlies are ready to roll again (probably in the mud, like last time, when I did take an Ogre btw)

R

Squiggoth - Apr 16, 2003 - 03:32 AM
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Mmm... Actually, the number of times I've lost a match thanks to my Ogre goes way above my counting skills. Still, I love Ogres and the fact that they cause more casualties and turnovers to my own team than the opponent's is compensated by those moments when the Ogre catches a scattered ball and goes for a TD or throws a Goblin straight into the End Zone and your opponent has this look on his face as if he just swallowed a squirrel Mr. Green

Redfang - Apr 16, 2003 - 04:43 AM
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that's not too amazing, considering that "one" probably is way beyond your counting skill already... Twisted Evil

Squiggoth - Apr 16, 2003 - 06:26 AM
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Why you little... I can count at least to, erm... ... ... Both hands! Mr. Green

Martein

Redfang - Apr 16, 2003 - 06:32 AM
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Congratulations; now all you need to learn is how to untie your shoes, than you can use your toes to count to twice as much as you can using only your hands! Twisted Evil

Sputnik - Apr 16, 2003 - 07:11 AM
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Quote:

First up: don't field a Minotaur as a traditional Blitzer! If he gets surrounded, then you'll never have another turn for the whole drive...

why not?? If you don't get him up once he is down and surrounded, you can go on as usual Shocked

And besides, you would still have every other turn... Wink

not that it helps, I know!

Sputnik

ponkavitch - Jun 06, 2003 - 02:31 AM
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Ogre do look dumb thats why I converted an Ogrin from 40K. He Looks awesome and won me a best figue prize.

ponkavitch - Jun 06, 2003 - 02:35 AM
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One more thing why the hell would you use a Min as a back end blitzer when you already have beastmen??

jmccubbin - Jun 06, 2003 - 05:08 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

and I make sure to make fun of any Skaven Coach who dares field an Ogre instead of his ratty counterpart.
Martijn

Skaven can't take the Regular Ogre. And I have found WA too limiting for Skaven to play. They are better off not taking a RA.

James

Indigo - Jun 06, 2003 - 05:31 AM
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Although taking an Ogre for a TR100 tourney could potentially allow you to field a ST 4 + 4xST4 front line, it doesn't leave much for beastmen or re-rolls.

C'mon, you've got 4 ST4 players already, who needs another one?!?

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 06, 2003 - 10:52 AM
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If you get the Mino Block early on, I think it will be a god choice. Risky but good (if you care about winning that is).

Kudos to you for taking a team that isn't built soley for the purposes of winning (if you wanted to win you wouldn't be playing Chaos anyways Wink

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Redfang - Jun 10, 2003 - 04:03 AM
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Sorry Anthony, while I was hoping for some advice from you, and other player who had actually played chaos at a tournament, none came in time, and I have played the tournament with Dwarfs instead. Since I came in third, I'm quite content with my choice Very Happy

Kilcin - Jun 29, 2003 - 11:32 PM
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Is it just me, or does the team he wrote up in his first post came out to 1,100k?
"1 Mino, 3 CW, 7 BM, 3 RR, 6 FF"
Is it suppose to be 2CW? Or is my math just off somewhere?

Indigo - Jun 30, 2003 - 02:00 AM
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On that same subject, what do you think of this roster for a TR110 tournament?

1 Ogre
4 CW
6 Beastmen
1 FF
3 RR (8 FF and 2 RR?)

I'm in the process of making up a nurgle themed team, and my ogre is looking pretty smart at the mo Very Happy

Tutenkharnage - Jun 30, 2003 - 06:19 AM
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Indigo wrote:

On that same subject, what do you think of this roster for a TR110 tournament?

1 Ogre
4 CW
6 Beastmen
1 FF
3 RR (8 FF and 2 RR?)

Leave the 3 re-rolls. If you're committed to an Ogre and only 11 players, drop a CW down to a Beastman and go with a FF of 5. Over the course of the tourney, this will pay off. The longer the tourney, the more likely this becomes.

Personally, I'd ditch the Ogre. Mighty Blow doesn't come into play as often as Bonehead and Big Guy. Swap the Ogre for 2 Beastmen and I think you're fine, although I'd still consider dropping that 4th CW for a Beastman and the extra FF.

And if it's a Nurgle-themed team, you should run with a Troll! Smile

-Chet

Indigo - Jun 30, 2003 - 08:02 AM
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heh you ain't seen my converted ogre though Wink

I don't really want to ditch him, but I can see your point. Then again, the idea of losing the Ogre & a CW for 3 beastmen means my roster would be:

3 CW
9 Beastmen
5 FF
3 RR

While this is a decent amount of FF and RR, it still strikes me that the majority of my team is made up of essentially linemen - I only get to use horns once per turn!

Tutenkharnage - Jun 30, 2003 - 10:59 AM
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Indigo wrote:

heh you ain't seen my converted ogre though Wink

It's a tough set of choices that faces the Chaos coach. I'd start with a Troll rather than a CW or an Ogre, especially if you're going to start with 11 players and no Apothecary. The Regenerate skill will help, the extra ST will prevent him from being knocked over...and he's fun! Heck, you could probably grab Scrappa Sorehead for some real fun Smile

1 Troll
3 CWs
Scrappa Sorehead
6 Beastmen
3 TRRs
5 FF

-Chet

P.S. For those joining late, this is a TR 110 starting roster.