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Clan_Skaven - Nov 18, 2007 - 10:22 PM
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I know it is a whole year away, but I want to get the ball rolling on my Chaos team..... Are thier any final rules for the modified Chaos team ruleset?

I for one am not going to post my vote untill I see the Chaos team rule set for next years Death-Bowl.

Rod

Spazzfist - Nov 19, 2007 - 06:27 AM
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I voted for the mandatory on all races. If it were regular Blood Bowl, then I may have voted more on the side of leniancy, but given that this is a crazy four-way game of Deathbowl with a timer, you have a hard enough time figuring out what you have to do, without trying to remember which of the four identical chaos warriors is the one with claw and which one has the tentacles.

If you are not going to model it on the miniature, then you should at least have it indicated in some way (e.g. painted on the base: "claw")

Taxal - Nov 19, 2007 - 06:44 AM
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Well said Spazzfist.....especially since there is no other up-grades during the tourney. So it is very easy to model all mutations on the team, once you have finalized your team selection.

skummy - Nov 19, 2007 - 01:56 PM
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Not every coach paints and sculpts their own models, though. This might discourage a coach from making the trip - lord knows it's hard enough to try and rally people to go in my league.

And hiya, Rod - hope things are going well for you up north!

Cramy - Nov 20, 2007 - 10:21 AM
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I voted "Yes it would be nice, but not manditory. (just prefered)". I had to give it quite a bit of thought. My initial thought was "yes for Chaos only", as it is the year of Chaos. But then I thought of the impact that it could have. I barely have the time to paint, let alone model. And I'd much rather play the game than model and paint myself. If I was considering bringing Chaos, I probably would not end-up bringing them because of my lack of skill/time/interest in modeling.

At the same time, I could be in favor of having to identify a player's mutations on its base as Spazz suggested, and that for all races that have mutations. Hhmmm. On the other hand, is it more difficult to remember an Extra Arms, Big Hand beastman compared to a Sure Hands, Dodge beastman? Why would mutations have to be identified, but not skills, if the reason is only to be able to remember what abilities a player has?

angryrob - Nov 20, 2007 - 04:46 PM
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Dude its Chaos. You don't pick the team if you don't want to do the modelling.Thats half the fun of Chaos.
Blood Bowl it's more than just a game it's a hobby!

Pepe_le_pony - Nov 20, 2007 - 05:56 PM
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I agree with Cramy as I intend to bring my Chaos team next year but if mutation modeling is mandatory I will most certainly change my mind and bring a "normal" team.

Taxal - Nov 21, 2007 - 06:48 AM
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I agree with Cramy as I intend to bring my Chaos team next year but if mutation modeling is mandatory I will most certainly change my mind and bring a "normal" team.

LOL....in Blood Bowl there are no "normal" teams.

angryrob - Nov 21, 2007 - 04:24 PM
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Run this one by Jones, if chaos Mutation modelling is not mandatory i'm not coming.
You lazy gits have 11 months how hard can it be to glue a claw on a Chaos Warrior
I would like to think that part of the reasoning for making Year of Chaos was to bring some interesting models to the game for a team that gets very little tourney action.

Clan_Skaven - Nov 21, 2007 - 09:57 PM
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angryrob wrote:

Well said!!!

Case & Point to me posting this almost a year in advance.

I know I will be bringing Chaos next year & all the mutations will be shown in full details.

I would like to know the final rulings on the rules for team creation. I have my team so far on paper, but want confermation on final rules before I commit to modling/converting.....

FEAR SAINT LUCIFER'S RAMS!!!

Notorious_jtb - Nov 22, 2007 - 08:53 AM
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Its an interesting question. My "preference" is for the mutations to have to be modelled which is how I voted but its not just down to preference. We need to be fair, or at least appear so Wink

I understand Skummy, Cramy, and Pepes point about discouraging coaches from bringing chaos if they have to model as well as paint.
And you don't have to represent block on a player (I would love a system where we indicate player skill improvements on the base for all players but thats another topic).

It feels a bit harsh to prevent people from playing using chaos if they only have a vanilla painted team.

This is especially true here in Ottawa where about 6/7 players used teams painted/modeled by Glenn and Alex Garrett at Deathbowl.

I think maybe we should reward players who model in some way rather than penalise those that don't.....

Clan_Skaven - Nov 22, 2007 - 11:21 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Its an interesting question. My "preference" is for the mutations to have to be modelled which is how I voted but its not just down to preference. We need to be fair, or at least appear so Wink

the only problem that arises, is in a a game with 3 opponents & a 3 minute & 30 second timer, alot of time could be wasted on..... "oh I thought he had tenticals.... that one had claw I thought it was 3 & 6 that had claw not 5 & 6..... ect ect.... (what if all 3 of yer opponents are chaos & all 3 have mutations with no visible conversions???)

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Nov 22, 2007 - 11:52 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

Its an interesting question. My "preference" is for the mutations to have to be modelled which is how I voted but its not just down to preference. We need to be fair, or at least appear so Wink

think maybe we should reward players who model in some way rather than penalise those that don't.....

Yeah. Maybe we could impose a limited conversions requirement.

I had a chat with Glenn a little while ago and we think modeling foul appearance is a bit of a big ask. But maybe people should have to model things like Claw, Tentacles, Prehensile Tail and very long legs.......

Impact do a pair of nice conversion sprues for chaos mutations

http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=sprues

these include 2heads, claw/big hand, and very long legs

and a tentacled warrior
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=sudden_profile&id=SI_TWAR

We actually have some of these as prizes for the CCKO 08

And impact just decreased their Canadian dollar prices too Smile

jtb

Cramy - Nov 22, 2007 - 07:56 PM
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Disturbing Presence is another one that could be interesting to model. The guy with Foul Appearence is the one vomitting, while the one with Disturbing Presence is the one with rotten teeth. Or is is the opposite? Smile

Personally, I would be all for getting people to model the mutations, but I'm worried that by doing this some coaches will not bring Chaos to the Tourney.

Having said that, I'm not going to bring Chaos anyways, so it's a moot point for me. I just built a Khemri team and will start painting it soon. Want to finish that before starting something else.

Notorious_jtb - Nov 23, 2007 - 08:06 AM
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Yeah, no modeling of disturbing presence. I think its thinks like a cloud of flies and a zone of cold or cloud of soporific musk, or other such fun stuff.

Maybe we will come up with a list of conversions that need to be represented this weekend. I think it will probably be not that many.

I had a look at the impact conversion bits last night and they are metal and good for very long legs, 2head and claw. I really like the beastman 2 heads, very nice.

Daggers - Jan 24, 2008 - 11:51 AM
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I chose "nice, but not mandatory", although "for Chaos only" is my second choice. I agree that since this the Year of the Chaos, Chaos should be the example, and thus be enforced more than others. I for one am bringing Chaos as well, and plan on doing all necessary conversions (once we finalize rules, so I know what I can buy).

I also agree that alot of skills can't be shown, same as how do you show a player with block/dodge. Foul Appearance and Disturbing Presence would fall under that category. Claw, Extra Arms, Long Legs, Two Heads can be easily shown ans thus should be, or be penalized for not showing.

I disagree with Cramy about deterring coaches from bringing Chaos by making mutation conversions mandatory. If you want to bring Chaos, put some effort into it, as Angryrob said "it's a hobby", so . If you don't want to, but want to play Chaos, find someone to do it for you.

Spazzfist - Jan 24, 2008 - 12:14 PM
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I have rethought this one, and have decided that I would rather see people bring chaos, rather than be deterred by the need to show the mutations.

I was thinking that at the very least that coaches should paint a coloured ring around the base of any mutants, that way the opponents will be reminded which is which.