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GalakStarscraper - Oct 28, 2008 - 06:35 PM
Post subject: Okay my Canadian friends ... who was it?

Craigtw wrote:

I was wondering whether there could be some clarification in the rules about the horns/dauntless debate. I know that there is this already somewhere on the website, but when there was a disagreement as to whether the horns are used before or after the dauntless on the way to the last tourney..... Well let's just say it got ugly.

Okay ... seriously .. fess up ... which one(s) of you was it that had issues understanding this sentence in Dauntless:
The strength of both players is calculated before any defensive or offensive assists are added but after all other modifiers.

Underlining mine.

Galak

Spazzfist - Oct 28, 2008 - 06:44 PM
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Oh boy! Here we go! <slinking away> Laughing

Clan_Skaven - Oct 28, 2008 - 11:33 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

Craigtw wrote:

Not too sound like a drunken A$$, ( I have been drinking currently Laughing

)

See Spazz I told you I was right (ty Eric for backing me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

You guys call me the RulesMonger , here in Canada (actualy its not Monger , but the the name they give me may be offensive on the forum), but soon as I try & enforce my knoledge of the rules you doubt me!

Only to go..............................

Oh boy! Here we go! <slinking away>

Spazz you.................. (well I guess your name fits the insult, you are a Spazz to question me!)

Besides look in the 6.0 rules under SPIKE Champion! "Oh thats right it's me .......

2506 HELL PIT WILDRATS!!!!!!!!!!!

Rod

Spazzfist - Oct 29, 2008 - 06:31 AM
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But Rod...... you were wrong. Rolling Eyes

GalakStarscraper - Oct 29, 2008 - 07:08 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

But Rod...... you were wrong. Rolling Eyes

Okay ... I really didn't think I'd need to do this but I'll explain:

The strength of both players is calculated ... after all other modifiers.

Now I thought this sentence was about as clear as it could possibly be ... but I'll explain if for some reason its not.

In order to figure out Strength of your player and your opponent for the Dauntless roll ... you apply all modifiers first (other than assists).

Now what things modify the Strength of players??? Well there are two things that do this.

1) Horns which adds +1 to the ST of the blocker
2) Multiple Block with adds +2 to the ST of the opponent.

So you apply these first (just like the skill says you do) and then you roll for Dauntless based on those STs.

I'm not sure how else to read "The strength of both players is calculated ... after all other modifiers."

The effect of this is simple.

1) Horns makes it easier to succeed at your Dauntless roll
2) Multiple Block makes it more difficult to succeed at your Dauntless roll

Galak

Spazzfist - Oct 29, 2008 - 07:29 AM
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See what we have to put up with? Laughing

I say that you enter in the Brampton blowflies as a co-winner of the Spike! 2506 if for not other reason than to just piss Rod off! Laughing

Eric.R. - Oct 29, 2008 - 07:36 AM
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They way rod and I understood the Order of Prcedence was that Dauntless was rolled before the block to see if the blocking player had psyched himself up enough. And then the horns were added once the block was initiated.

Quote:

Horns (Mutation)
A player with horns may use them to butt an opponent. This adds 1 to
the player???s Strength when he makes a block.

So in our minds the block had not been initiated until after the Dauntless roll.

I guess we put to much logic into a game filled with Elves and Dwarves Wink

GalakStarscraper - Oct 29, 2008 - 07:43 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

I guess we put to much logic into a game filled with Elves and Dwarves Wink

Its a game with rules ... using logic will 99% give you the wrong answer.

Dauntless says apply modifiers. Horns is a modifier. The word when is completely irrelevant in the Horns skill. He's making a block and Horns is a modifier. Modifiers per Dauntless are applied before the Dauntless roll.

Logic has nothing to do with games design. Wink

Otherwise you could not kill yourself on a GFI. You could not intercept before a pass is rolled. Treeman with Pass Block would not speed up ... etc. , etc., etc.

Galak

Clan_Skaven - Oct 29, 2008 - 11:00 AM
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Hey I'm allowed to be wrong once Laughing

besides I had a few drinks Laughing

Sorry Spazz

Thanks Galak

Rod