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Indigo - Jun 09, 2003 - 03:33 AM
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Every team playing Blood Bowl in the Old World has a following of some sort. Teams languishing at the wrong end of the league tables will probably only be watched by die hard local supporters, grimly aware that the best they can expect from their team is not to finish bottom, whereas high-profile teams often have a huge following of fanatical supporters, but who only watch them when they???re winning. Success demands success, and a bad run of form can often see a team lose many of it???s fans, only for more to return when winning ways resume.

I came up with this system to account for differences in team ratings and how poor teams do not expect to win often, whereas high-flyers demand repeated victories or they get shirty. Let me know what you think.

(This has been playtested in many leagues and has proven to be pretty popular)

Ditching the old ???roll a D6??? system, the new system adopts a roll of 2D6 after the match, then the application of modifiers based on how the match turned out.

Match Event Modifiers

Code:

Won the match                    +1

Lost the match                    -1

Scored 2+ TDs                    +1

Scored 4+ TDs                    +2

Each TD scored >4                    +1

Caused 2+ CAS                    +1

Caused 4+ CAS                    +2

Each CAS caused >4                    +1

Conceded 2+ TDs                    -1

Conceded 4+ TDs                    -2

Each TD conceded > 4                    -1

Conceded 2+ CAS                    -1

Conceded 4+ CAS                    -2

Each CAS conceded > 4                    -1

Semi final*         +1

Final*                          +2

For every 10 FF           -1

* - If playing a team with a TR 51 or greater than your own, add an extra +1 to the modifier (glamour tie)

Opponent Team Rating modifiers

Code:

Opponent Team Rating   Modifier

<-101                    -4

-100 to -76                    -3

-75 to -51                    -2

-50 to -26                    -1

-25 to -11                    0

-10 to +10                     0

10 to 25                     0

26 to 50        +1

51 to 75        +2

76 to 100       +3

>101+          +4

When you have rolled 2d6 and applied the relevant modifiers, look up the final score on the following table:

Code:

Final Dice Score                            Result

Less than HALF your current FF       -2 FF

Less than your current FF               -1 FF

Equal to your current FF                 No change

More than your current FF              +1FF

More than DOUBLE your current FF   +2FF

This may appear complicated, but trust me it isn't, and this forum does not lend itself well to displaying how it works! Any comments or questions are gladly received.

Doubleskulls - Jun 09, 2003 - 04:57 AM
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It just seems a little complicated.

Dave - Jun 09, 2003 - 05:25 AM
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I agree it might be better but it's a bit on the complicated side...

Valen - Jun 09, 2003 - 05:37 AM
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I agree, far too complicated, maybe less variations. for instance cut the split between +2 and +4 CAS & TD.

And the opponent thing looks very strange!

Indigo - Jun 09, 2003 - 06:55 AM
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I agree it's more complicated. It came about as a result of too many people getting pissed off when their TR100 team beat a TR150 team 2-0 and killed 3 players, only for their FF to go down. Although it's still possible under this system, a good performance is more likely to be rewarded and a poor one punished. It makes FF a lot more "fluid" but still retains the capping that the current system has.

Valen - Jun 09, 2003 - 07:05 AM
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What about just making that a roll of a 6 or 1 is not always an automatic increase or decrease?

Therefore if you win it is immposible for you FF too go down!

Indigo - Jun 09, 2003 - 07:17 AM
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true, but you can also hammer someone 6-0 and kill 5 players and still see your FF not go up which seems a tad unfair.

Doubleskulls - Jun 09, 2003 - 07:47 AM
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Indigo wrote:

true, but you can also hammer someone 6-0 and kill 5 players and still see your FF not go up which seems a tad unfair.

But the fans could get bored of such 1 sided victories...

I like the 1 & 6 rule (except when I roll a 1 Very Happy

) as it means winning teams are just on a straight upward path of FF, meaning more money and better teams.

Indigo - Jun 09, 2003 - 08:01 AM
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[quote="Doubleskulls"]But the fans could get bored of such 1 sided victories...
quote]

lol I don't believe that could ever happen

but I see your point in terms of game mechanics.

Valen - Jun 09, 2003 - 10:21 AM
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I can vouch for the getting bored thing, I am a Glasgow Rangers fan, and I assure you, a fan gets little pleasure from watching there tonk a team 6-0 in 30 minutes then stop playing!

Tutenkharnage - Jun 09, 2003 - 11:18 AM
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Fair, shmair! My Chaos Pact team won our league title last season. I rolled at +4 on the FF table:

+1 for win
+1 for 2+ TDs
+1 for 2+ Casualties
+2 for Finals
-1 for FF > 10

What did I roll? Yep, you guessed it - I rolled a 1. We don't use the 1-and-6 rule here for FF, but the point is that I just clinched the title as best I could and my FF stayed pat.

Them's the breaks, man.

-Chet

Mordredd - Jun 10, 2003 - 04:59 AM
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Wouldn't it be simpler to use Cas and TD difference to calculate the modifier, instead of your 2+/4+/per extra 1 splits and win/lose modifiers? It would produce nearly the same result but would require no reference to a table and look much less complicated. (There's an extra +1 for the third TD and an extra +1 for the first and third Cas).

The table would then be:

Quote:

TD difference (yours - opponents)
Cas difference (yours - opponents)
Semi Final +1
Final +2
For Every 10 FF -1
TR modifier +/-?

My big worry about this system is that it would seem to keep FF very low, unless you play teams with a much higher TR. Lets say that you win by 2 TDs and Cas. Your modifier is then +3, average roll 9/10/11. This would suggest that most FFs are not going to get much higher than 12, and I don't think that is right.

I do, however, like the idea of including the degree of victory and the TR difference in the roll. I suggest that instead of rolling to beat the FF you roll on a table instead. Perhaps one where it is only possible to get +/- 2FF if your roll has an overall modifier on it of at least 1 or 2.

One last comment. I don't think that the negative modifier for playing a weaker team should be as big as the positive modifier for playing a stronger team. For example changing the table to read TR difference (yours - opponents) >101 = +4 / <-101 = -3, or something like that. Also the table would be easier to look at if you grouped all the 0 modifiers into 1 range, i.e. -25 to +25 = 0.

Apedog - Nov 10, 2003 - 02:17 PM
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Sorry to bump this thread after so long but I just saw this system in Indigo's 'A League of their Own' compilation and I really like it Very Happy

It would keep the FF moving and mean that teams are only as good as their last few games. This keeps players on their toes and means that only the consistently good players reach the higher FF's.

I thought the same things as Modredd, and running some numbers on my league results these suggestions do make very little difference whilst greatly simplifying the table.

I would also change the Win/Lose modifiers to +/- 2 to counter the increased modifier from scoring/casulties.

I guess it does produce slightly lower FF than current leagues are used to but this can be countered if it causes you a problem by adjusting the winnings table, or only using the positive modifiers to get a higher FF (personally I think it's fine as is).

One other thing that I like is that it allows greater freedom when selecting an initial team, no longer is it 'compulsary' to take a FF of 9, and teams willing to suffer low income for the first few games can go for a FF of 1. (I would go in around 5-7 I think).

Indigo - Nov 10, 2003 - 02:28 PM
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I don't mind you bumping it - I was recently using it a mini league I've been doing at home... still think it's pretty good Very Happy

Zombie - Nov 10, 2003 - 02:55 PM
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Way too complicated. I'd choose the original system over this 11 times out of 10.

Gamethyme - Nov 10, 2003 - 07:07 PM
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Indigo wrote:

Doubleskulls wrote:

But the fans could get bored of such 1 sided victories...

lol I don't believe that could ever happen

but I see your point in terms of game mechanics.

Actually, I CAN see it happening.

The justification we use is that it's "No fun" to watch a "poor, defenseless team" get beat on.

It's like having an NFL-quality team in a College League. After a while, people won't bother showing up, because the ending is pretty much predetermined, and the games get boring to watch.

Indigo - Nov 11, 2003 - 01:59 AM
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c'mon I don't think for a minute that the blood crazed glory hunting fans would get tired of their team causing loads of casualties and tearing the other team limb from limb.

After all, Man Utd fans don't get sick of roy keane doing that...