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Eric.R. - Jun 19, 2012 - 11:40 PM
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All,

As a preemptive kick to my a$$ for the coming year's Canadian Open [i.e. 2013] I am inviting any criticism from the participants from any CO's from 2009 - 2012 [or those who have read the to rules and can offer constructive advice] on two topics:

What rule-set do you prefer: 2009-11 or 2012?; what portions of the two do you like?; What changes would you like to to see to establish balance between the the tiers? (@Lizardcoe or Stimme the 2012 rules link seems to be dead, could you re-post? or send the file so i can do it?)
If the tourney be moved to the Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge region, would that prevent you from attending the tourney? [It is cheaper than the GTA to rent a room; And my apartment is just as big as Pete's basement and can house a several coaches].

I am not looking for placation, so be honest.

I just need to know where to spend my focus for this year.

Lizardcore - Jun 20, 2012 - 07:49 AM
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I sent you the file this morning.

I won't be there, so I'll comment on the TO prespective:
- given the sampling of coaches in canadian tournies (less than 30), the balancing rules have little consequences, people just play the team they have / haven't play for a long time.
- from the TO perspective, having the roster set before the first game makes it smoother for the rest of the tournament.
- for the location, beside the regulars, this year in attendance were 2 XTBBF (Mellis and Turfchewer) and 2 players from the MeepleMart league. Going to the west might get those 4 guys out of the list, beside that, I don't think it changes much for the rest of the players.

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 20, 2012 - 08:23 AM
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If it is two days, going to the K/W area will certainly mean less people from Toronto. I imagine downtown isn't cheap but perhaps somewhere closer would be? I remember Ben ran one our in Mississauga or Brampton in a hotel. Dunno if that helps you or not.

Daggers - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:08 AM
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I agree with Lizardcore and Anthony. Moving it to Kitchener may hurt your numbers, but as long as the rules are balanced, I don't think they will really make a difference. I would be nervous about everyone crashing at your place. Depending on how many crash there, that may make it less appealing knowing you are going to be cramped on the floor with 10-15 other guys.

Eric.R. - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:12 AM
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All the CO's have been in the Toronto/Brampton area. The issue is that I live in Kitchener and have had issues securing locations successfully when having to do it over the phone or relying on other people.

The issue with the hotel was that it was expensive, which is why it was soon abandoned. And I do not want 80% of the entrance fee to go towards the venue; I would rather have a low entrance fee or put the money towards awards and such.

Eric.R. - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:14 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

. . . less appealing knowing you are going to be cramped on the floor with 10-15 other guys.

I am not suggesting having that many, but was pointing it out as an alternative to a hotel.

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:15 AM
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If it is in K/W, where will it be held? Did you mean your apartment was just a place for accommodation or are you planning to host the event there as well?

Eric.R. - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:26 AM
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I kinda doubt the statement about losing attendees as, according to my records, only about 2-3 people a year from the Toronto-Brampton-Missisagua Area attended for the 3 years I ran it in Mississagua. So everyone is traveling a long distance already and the extra Toronto players [this year] were their only 'cause it was in Toronto.

Eric.R. - Jun 20, 2012 - 09:27 AM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote:

If it is in K/W, where will it be held? Did you mean your apartment was just a place for accommodation or are you planning to host the event there as well?

Not running it at my apt. It would be at a separate venue. Just sleeping accommodations.

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 20, 2012 - 10:44 AM
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It is the Canadian Open so it I guess shouldn't matter too much where you run it. When I started it I ran it in Toronto because I live here. It's a lot easier to organize something where you live like you mentioned.

Spazzfist - Jun 20, 2012 - 02:03 PM
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Personally I would love it to be in Kitchener, as I enjoy the road trip aspect of the tourney scene. Kitchener is only an hour away for me, but that just means more time for drinking!

And who knows, maybe if you hold it in Kitchener we may get some BBers coming out of the woodwork up in that area! We have seen it in Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa, why not Kitchener? I say at least try it for one year. If it doesn't work out, then you have your answer, but at least you tried.

I believe it was you who was the first to try the fiv game format with three on the first day, and two on the second, and I have to say that I LOVE that format, as it gives time to socialize and play other games on the Saturday night.

Prizes have always been a secondary consideration for me. a small trophy, to say "I did that" is plenty, IMO.

I am not fussed about the team creation, and other types of rulesets, as once the games start, you just learn to adjust wth it. I do like the random element that the 2009-11 format provided, but then the 2012 gave a boost to some of the less favourable teams, and actually gave Khemri enough of a nudge to make them a contender!

I don't know how helpful this is to you, because I am not giving strong opinions either way for any of the real issues, but that is because I do not have any. I will come wherever you host it and play whatever the ruleset may be.

For a long time now I have felt that this is more about hanging out with good friends, than it is about playing the game of Blood Bowl. Blood Bowl is just the facilitator! Very Happy

Clan_Skaven - Jun 20, 2012 - 02:13 PM
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KW would be fine for me. 2 years ago at the Warpstone there was 3 from Kitchener. Plus Talons is in London & maybe Chairface may get lured out of the shadows....

Personally Eric I prefered your rules for the CDN open. But I'd attend no matter what the ruleset is.

5 games has its advantages as Spazz said. & I can see more TO's may follow suit. (I need 6 for the system I use at the Warpstone Cup, but 5 or 6 works fine for me)

As far as sleep, heck I'll sleep in a car if I had to. Wink

Lizardcore - Jun 20, 2012 - 04:02 PM
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for the rules, you could keep your own rules, but give more money for team creation or skill purchase for the lesser tiers. mix the 2 systems in 1 !

wapcaplets - Jul 30, 2012 - 07:54 PM
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Eric, you should host the tournament where it's easiest for you to run it. You know that the tournament faithful will show up. I held Blingtoof in Toronto last year specifically to accommodate the Toronto crowd and, while I totally appreciate Tyler, Christian, and Dave having shown up, I was really disappointed at how few Toronto players came that weren't already tourney regulars.

grant85 - Jul 30, 2012 - 09:50 PM
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I had a lot of fun at both the '06 and '10 Canadian Opens!

Any rule set works for me. I would love it to be in kitchener/waterloo because I live here and could host a few people for the weekend.

Talons - Jul 30, 2012 - 11:14 PM
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Hey bitch!!!!! I believe a tourney in Kitchener can make a splash......you might even find that the turnout could be better than years past. We might see a few more Americans make the trip as it is about 2 hours from Michigan. Either way I will be there if I can get the weekend off.

As for rules......just pick ones that will allow me to win.......lmao

DarkOrk20 - Jul 31, 2012 - 04:29 AM
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I HATE to agree with Spazz, but I think he has some valid points all around. Especially the 5 game format. 4 in one day can be grueling for most players (for me only if I'm losing). It also cuts down the socializing on Saturday night which to me is the most important aspect. Even if it is with Canadians.

daloonieshaman - Jul 31, 2012 - 11:24 AM
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Have you tried less coventional places
shops for lease (you are only getting 2/3 days so
Most owners will love the under the table cash
bowling alleys or anything with a room
Depending on time of year a park

Chairface - Nov 22, 2012 - 07:50 PM
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You know what, if you have it in Kitchener I can almost guarantee that I will be there. It's been too damn long. What dates are we talking? If you want a free space and you don't mind going a little further, there is a new game store in town thats clean and has a huge gaming room. http://thegamechamber.com/

Rando - Nov 26, 2012 - 04:44 PM
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Likewise, I'll be there. My girlfriend's got some people she wants to visit out there ... sooooo I guess I'll tag along with her for the ride Wink

Spazzfist - Nov 29, 2012 - 05:36 PM
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Can you please post links to the two sets of rules?

I could look them up, but then as you have asked other people to comment on them, it may just be better to have them more easily accesible

Stimme - Nov 30, 2012 - 10:05 AM
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For your convenience, good Sir:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20961329/CO_rulebook_2012.pdf

Spazzfist - Nov 30, 2012 - 06:43 PM
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Stimme wrote:

For your convenience, good Sir:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20961329/CO_rulebook_2012.pdf

Thanks Alex And the older rules? Eric?

Hitonagashi - Nov 30, 2012 - 08:08 PM
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I don't have a car, so outside Toronto, I'd have to hitch a lift with someone. That wouldn't stop me coming though.

My availability for the tournament is entirely not based on the distance, given as its so close anyway.

Why are star players disallowed? Smile

I never found them overpowered (quite the opposite in fact).

This is not at all motivated by the fact that my high elves are themed around being Prince Moron's body guard Very Happy

Eric.R. - Dec 02, 2012 - 01:27 PM
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Stimme wrote:

For your convenience, good Sir:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20961329/CO_rulebook_2012.pdf

Thanks for the link, I was about email you about this years rules so as to compare the 2 rule sets.

For reference the 2011 rules can be found here: http://rubli.ca/Canadian_Open/DOCS/CO_rulebook.pdf

BTW I apologize for my recent silence; been working 12-hours days at the office for several weeks and being on a computer was the last thing I wanted to do when I got home.

However, I will mention that the CO is being planned to be held in Kitchener, ON; just working out the details with the rental space.

BUT, there is a recent wrench in the works that may derail the whole operation. I will share more details as they solidify this coming week.

Change is the law of life.
And those who look only to the
past or present are certain to
miss the future.
~John F. Kennedy

Eric.R. - Dec 18, 2012 - 08:48 PM
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Alright . . . it has been more than a week since I promised an update . . . but, the whole situation did not become real until about 24-hours ago.

The short-and-long of it is that I will be moving to Vancouver, BC in January. As such, I will not be able to run the CO in 2013. That being said, if any of the Ontario/Quebec crew want to run it in the upcoming year let me know.

In terms of the future of the CO in Ontario, that will be open for discussion later next year.

Clan_Skaven - Dec 19, 2012 - 07:08 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Talk to Rob Pharand I know he has wanted to host a tourney.

Daggers - Dec 19, 2012 - 08:36 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

....The short-and-long of it is that I will be moving to Vancouver, BC in January. As such, I will not be able to run the CO in 2013. That being said, if any of the Ontario/Quebec crew want to run it in the upcoming year let me know......

You will be missed Eric, good luck man....

The Hobble guys in Tristans league were talking about running a tournament as well, I can ask them if they were serious and get them in touch with you.

Stimme - Dec 19, 2012 - 11:03 AM
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It would be great if Rob or somebody else would host it in 2013. If nobody volunteers, I'll do it again.

Rando - Dec 19, 2012 - 05:35 PM
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Will we see you at the CCKO?

The Thunderbowl guys have a beer league that plays more casually, if you are looking for games. Where abouts are you headed in Van?

generaljason - Dec 22, 2012 - 01:42 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Crazy, but I'm assuming work related.

Thunderbowl starts it's 29th season in February so no need for the Beer League if you desire to get into League play. We haven't really played Beer League matches since Ryan was out here.

Let me know when you're in town, settled and relaxed and we'll go for beers at the very least: thunder-bowl@hotmail.com

Looking forward to meeting you Eric. See you soon,
Craig.

Clan_Skaven - Dec 22, 2012 - 09:36 AM
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generaljason wrote:

Eric.R. wrote:

Eric will do your league well, he is kinda like the Salvation Army of BloodBowl. He just gives & gives. (wins that is) & he never asks for any in return.
Wink

Gonna miss ya Eric, a great guy & even better drinking buddy!

natsirtdm - Jan 21, 2013 - 10:38 PM
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We are trying to scramble together a Canadian Open tournament for 2013.
Please fill out the following survey if you are interested in participating (middle of March is the timeframe we are looking at currently.

thanks

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FT8SL5Y

DarkOrk20 - Jan 22, 2013 - 06:08 AM
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FU and your damn survey. Just get it planned and running. I want to see the final draft by Monday when I get back from the Hope Bowl.

Daggers - Jan 22, 2013 - 06:11 AM
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Haha, thats the American way of saying "make a decision and go with it"....

mubo - Jan 22, 2013 - 07:30 AM
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16/17 March would be fine for me.

23/24 is definitely out, and 30/31 is probably difficult as well...

Cheers

Rando - Jan 22, 2013 - 12:50 PM
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Mubo, the survey also asked about the weekend of the. How does that suit you?

If it's the 8th I'll be sure to attend. Anything else is a maybe.

mubo - Jan 22, 2013 - 02:44 PM
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The 8th? That's a Friday? Was sure survey asked 16th?
9th *should* be ok too.

Talons - Jan 23, 2013 - 05:35 AM
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Unfortunately, I can't give a definite answer due to the job situation. I would love to play in every tourney but I honestly think the 2013 season will be my worst participation yet. It is really hard to get the weekend off at my new job. Evil or Very Mad

Hitonagashi - Jan 23, 2013 - 06:55 AM
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Either is good for me. Would it be held in Toronto? What sort of areas were you thinking about? Doesn't affect me that much, just interested at commuting with the subway if I can.

natsirtdm - Jan 23, 2013 - 09:51 AM
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You guys are correct it is 9/10, the 8th is the Friday, but assuming everyone knew the weekend was referring to.

It will definitely be held in the GTA, we are currently looking at a few options, but should be around Bloor West.

jrock56 - Jan 23, 2013 - 01:54 PM
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Both weekends aren't great for me but I am much more likely to be able to make it to the 9/10th one. I have 2 family members birthdays to attend that week, one of which is on the 16th so that weekend will be a no go for sure. I have more 'negotiating' room the week prior. See you all soon regardless

DarkOrk20 - Jan 24, 2013 - 05:49 PM
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I will be coming up that weekend only. If you change the date then I won't be able to make it.

natsirtdm - Jan 29, 2013 - 07:41 AM
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I hope to have an update tonight.