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North America - GenCon Bowl 2004, Aug. 20/21 - Indianapolis, Indiana USA
GalakStarscraper - Apr 11, 2004 - 10:27 AM
Post subject: GenCon Bowl 2004, Aug. 20/21 - Indianapolis, Indiana USA
If you are working on your long range calenders ... the GenCon Bowl 2004 will be August 20 and 21st. GenCon will run August 19th through 22nd in Indianapolis, IN ... http://www.gencon.com
The last GenCon was the largest BB tournament ever held in North America and the 7th largest tournament in the world. I'm hoping to break the NA record with this one.
Cost ... 2 day badge to GenCon is 46 USD (60 USD for a 4 day) ( http://www.gencon.com )
Additional cost of the BB Tournament per GenCon is 13.50 USD
So 59.50 USD total if you are just coming for the tournament
Format: 4 games swiss style ... 2 hour time limit per game
Friday Aug 20th, 3 games
Registriation at 9 am, Game 1: 10 am (ON TIME, NO EXCEPTIONS) ... Game 2: 1 pm ... Game 3: 4 pm
Saturday Aug 21st, 1 game
Game 4: 9 am ... awards done by 12:30 pm
Anyone finishing all 4 games will receive a metal/pewter fantasy football figure (not necessarily an official GW one).
Since GW-US isn't giving me squat for prizes this year, the rule last year that your team HAD to be all GW miniatures is no longer true. So Phigs, Heresy, and Shadowforge teams this year are welcome at GenCon.
Trophies will be given for:
1st, 2nd, 3rd, Most Cas, Most TDs, Fewest TDs allowed, Best Sportsman, Best Painted
In addition, prizes/miniatures will be awared to the following:
Anyone getting a trophy, 1st prize gets one extra prize/miniature, and then in addition we'll have prizes for Farthest Travelled and Best Score on the Pub Quiz
Those are the summary details ... registration of the tournament starts May 12th and given the 4 hour wait to buy tickets at the door last year ... I STRONGLY recommend pre-registration for GenCon and the BB tournament to avoid the line.
I am reserving space for up to 120 players and GenCon is going to list this tournament as a featured event since it holds the BB tournament attendance record. Last year we had 70 players register and 60 actually show up to play which made it the largest tournament ever held in North America (including being larger than the Chaos Cup for attendance).
We had two players from Austria and several from Canada attend ... I'm hoping to see faces from some of the other countries this year.
THE RULES:
1) OnPitch Take Root will be used:
Roll a D6 before taking an action with this player other than going from stunned to prone. On a 2+, you may proceed with the action as normal. On a 1, the player's MA becomes zero and loses the ability to Go For It for the rest of the drive. The player may still block but will not be able to follow-up.
2) Pro will be a General skill
3) I will be allowing the current experimental Vampire and Ogre teams to play ... I'll deal with NAF issues for this later ... even if it means keeping your scores for later entry when the team is in their database. The vampire team will not be allowed to have the Head Coach play (only purchase Count Luthor). So that all 18 official teams and the 2 experimental allowed for 20 total.
Rules for Ogre team:
0-12 Ogre 120,000 5 5 2 9
Mighty Blow Thick Skull, Throw TeamMate, Bonehead --- Strength
0-6 Goblin 40,000 6 2 3 7 Dodge Right Stuff, Stunty --- Agility
Rerolls 70,000
Rules for Vampire team:
0-12 Thrall 40,000 6 3 3 7 --- General
0-6 Vampire 110,000 6 4 4 8
Hypnotic Gaze, Regenerate, Off for a Bite --- General, Agility, Strength
Rerolls 70,000
Apothecary can only be used on Thralls if purchased
New Racial Characteristic and Rules:
OFAB:
A player with this characteristic must occasionally feed on the blood of the living. At the start of any action where the player is not stunned, roll a D6. On a 2+ the player may carry out the action as normal. On a '1', however, the player is overcome with a desire for blood. The player's team loses the declared action for that turn and the player must instead make a Move Action. If the player finishes moving standing adjacent to a Thrall from his own team, immediately roll for unmodified injury on that Thrall (an injury to the Thrall is not a turnover unless he was holding the ball). If the player does not finish moving next to a Thrall from his own team, then he runs into Reserves to find a pretty maiden groupie to quench his thirst. Place him in the reserves box, this is a turnover (if he was holding the ball it scatters once from the final square of his movement.) The Vampire's Move action is not consided ended until he injures a Thrall or runs into Reserves.
4) All players BIG GUYs will be treated as having Strength only skill access (instead of their normal General/Strength access). In ADDITION, Bull Centaurs and Mummies will have Strength only access for the tournament as well instead of their normal General/Strength access.
5) The tournament will be 4 rounds of Swiss. Starting team will be 1,000,000. You will allowed your choice of giving 2 players each a normal skill or one player a doubles roll skill or mutation after rounds 1 and 3. After round 2, you will be allowed to give one player a normal skill. A player may not be given more than one new skill/trait during the entire tournament. All casualties that have been inflicted on your team, including death, are wiped away at the end of the game. In other words the team resets after every game. Skills accrued through the tournament will not be lost, even if the player dies. Note: Apothecaries are still useful for bringing back injured players during the game.
6) Dice: Before each game you and your opponent both agree to use ONLY ONE set of dice for the entire game ... the other player puts his dice away where they cannot be used. If you cannot agree on the dice to be used, a referee will decide by rolling for it. If you are superstitious about people touching your lucky dice ... the tournament would like to suggest that you bring a different set of dice to the tournament that you don't care if other people touch as this rule will be enforced.
7) Wizards: 150k for a Wizard or a Dwarven Runesmith. Halflings get the Master Chef for free and can purchase additional Chef rolls for 60k each as a permanent increase to the Chef's abilities. Undead and Necromantic teams get their Necromancer for free, but may not purchase a normal wizard. Khemri and Vampire teams may not have a wizard.
8) Minatures: You will be allowed to use non-GW miniatures. HOWEVER, the figures MUST be READILY identifiable as their positions as determined by the head referee or his assistants. All miniatures must be painted with a minimum of 2 colors and the bases must be decorated or painted or you will not be allowed to play. Also mutations and weapons if you plan on having them on your team ... you MUST have a figure that clearly shows the mutation to take it. You cannot give Claw to a Skaven Storm Blitzer if you don't have a football geared ratman with a Claw for a hand.
9) SCORING:
GAMES:
Win = 55 points
Blow out bonus (won by 2+ points) = +10
Smackdown bonus (won, and caused more casualties) = +10
Beat 'em up good (won, and tied for casualties) = +5
Loss = 10 points
Keeping it close bonus (lost by 1 point) = +10
"You should see the other guy" bonus (lost, but caused more casualties) = +10
Put up the good fight (lost, but tied for casualties) = +5
Tie = 35 points
Yeah, but be hurt 'em bonus (tied, but caused more casualties) = +10
A tight game start to finish (tied for score and casualties) = +5
PAINTING:
+5 Based: All the bases in the team (including coaching staff) are painted and textured in some manner. The baseline for texture is flock as a minimum. Just being painted green is not enough!
+5 Painted: The team is painted, all models have at least 3 colors on them. Different colors should be used for different areas. Undercoats must not be visible.
+5 Detailed: All models have had the details of the model painted in a variety of colors or with noticeable effects. This can be shading or highlighting, or 'black-lining' etc. This discriminates between the merely painted team and the team that has had attention paid to it.
Important: For all 3 of the above ... In order to get the 5 points for a category all the models in the team must fulfill the criteria. If even one fails, the points can't be scored.
The team voted best overall painted team by the coaches playing in the tournament over lunch the first day will receive an extra 5 points. The head referee and his assistants will choose the teams eligible for this voting during registration. You must have painted your own team to be eligible for the best painted voting (however, teams painted by another person can still earn the full 15 normal painting points).
SPORTSMANSHIP:
At the end of the tournament, coaches will rank players from most to least sporting with a 1 being most sporting and a 4 being least ... points for each of these 4 votes will score points as follows:
1st 13 points
2nd 10 points
3rd 6 points
4th 3 points
If you have an opponent who drops out without voting you will receive 8 points from that coach.
10) The rules for Star Players and Secret Weapons
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Rule 1: If two of the same stars show up for a game, neither star will play. Note STARs do not have positions at all, so a Human team can have 4 Blitzers and Griff, or a Halfling team could have 2 Treemen and Deeproot.
Rule 2: Your team can have one SPECIALIST on it if your race allows for a SPECIALIST. The Goblin team is the one exception and can have up to 4 specialists, but no two of the same type. SPECIALISTs cannot receive new skills.
Clarifications ... Goblin teams still have to pay double the listed price to bring either Morg or Varag on their teams.
Code:
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STAR PLAYERS
Line 1: Name ... Teams Played for ... GenCon 2004 Cost
-- Count Luthor von Drakenborg ... Human, Necromantic, Undead, or Vampire ... 330,000
-- Deeproot Strongbranch ... Halfling or Wood Elf ... 250,000
-- Grashnak Blackhoof ... Chaos or Chaos Dwarf ... 350,000
-- Griff Oberwald ... Human ... 360,000
-- Grim Ironjaw ... Dwarf ... 220,000
-- Hakflem Skuttlespike ... Skaven ... 230,000
-- Headsplitter ... Skaven ... 310,000
-- Hthark the Unstoppable ... Chaos Dwarf ... 330,000
-- Jordell Freshbreeze ... Elf or Wood Elf ... 230,000
-- Lord Borak the Despoiler ... Chaos ... 250,000
-- Mighty Zug ... Human ... 180,000
-- Morg `N??? Thorg ... Chaos, Goblin, Human, Ogre, or Orc ... 450,000
-- Prince Moranion ... Elf or High Elf ... 190,000
-- Ramtut III ... Khemri, Necromantic, or Undead ... 350,000
-- `Ripper??? Bolgrot ... Orc, Goblin, or Chaos ... 260,000
-- Silibili ... Lizardman ... 240,000
-- Thrud the Barbarian ... Any ... 100,000*
(Thrud will only play in Games 1 and 3 of the tournament, but he still costs the full 100k from your roster even for games 2 and 4)
-- Varag Ghoul-Chewer ... Goblin or Orc ... 250,000
-- Zara the Slayer ... Amazon, Dwarf, Norse, or Human ... 270,000
Clarification: Zara's Stakes will effect ANY player on a Khemri, Necromantic, Undead, or Vampire team.
Note: Bomber Dribblesnot, Death-Roller, Fungus the Loon, Horkon Heartripper, Nobbla Blackwort, Scrappa Sorehead, Zzharg Madeye are all deleted for GenCon 2004. Use the Secret Weapon rules below for replacements to these star players.
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SECRET WEAPON SPECIALISTS
Amazon Assassin Amazon
80,000 6 3 3 7 SPECIALIST, Dodge, Poisoned Dagger (Penalty 10+)
Chaos Looney Chaos or Nurgle
120,000 6 3 3 8 SPECIALIST, Horns, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Dwarven Marksman Chaos Dwarf or Dwarf
80,000 4 3 2 9 SPECIALIST, Sure Hands, Thick Skull, Blunderbuss (Penalty 10+)
Evil Git Chaos Dwarf
70,000 6 3 3 7 SPECIALIST, Poisoned Dagger (Penalty 10+)
Dark Elf Assassin Dark Elf
110,000 6 3 4 8 SPECIALIST, Shadowing, Poisoned Dagger (Penalty 10+)
Dwarf Bombardier Dwarf
110,000 4 3 2 9 SPECIALIST, Block, Accurate, Thick Skull, Bombs (Penalty 8+)
Dwarven Looney Dwarf
130,000 4 3 2 9 SPECIALIST, Block, Tackle, Thick Skull, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Dwarven Deathroller Dwarf
160,000 4 7 1 10 SPECIALIST, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Multiple Block,
Deathroller (Penalty 7+)
Goblin Bombardier Goblin or Orc
90,000 6 2 3 7 SPECIALIST, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Accurate, Bombs (Penalty 8+)
Goblin Looney Goblin or Orc
90,000 6 2 3 7 SPECIALIST, Dodge, Stunty, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Goblin Pogoist Goblin or Orc
60,000 6 2 3 7 SPECIALIST, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Pogo Stick (Penalty 10+)
Goblin Fanatic Goblin or Orc
60,000 4 2 3 7 SPECIALIST, Ball and Chain (Penalty 7+)
Human Looney Human
110,000 6 3 3 8 SPECIALIST, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Skeleton Looney Khemri or Undead
90,000 5 3 2 7 SPECIALIST, Regenerate, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Zombie Looney Necromantic or Undead
90,000 4 3 2 8 SPECIALIST, Regenerate, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Skink Assassin Lizardman
80,000 8 2 3 7 SPECIALIST, Dodge, Stunty, Poisoned Dagger (Penalty 10+)
Norse Looney Norse
110,000 6 3 3 7 SPECIALIST, Block, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Orc Looney Orc
110,000 5 3 3 9 SPECIALIST, Chainsaw (Penalty 8+)
Eshin Assassin Skaven
80,000 7 3 3 7 SPECIALIST, Poisoned Dagger (Penalty 10+)
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I hope to see a LOT of you there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Galak
GalakStarscraper - Apr 11, 2004 - 03:02 PM
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I heard Gregg had stopped being the NA NAF rep. So could whoever is the NA rep please make sure that this and the Memorial Mayhem are properly NAF registered ... thanks.
Galak
majortusk - Apr 12, 2004 - 02:28 PM
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i just talked to gregg... as far as he knows he is still the rep. He probably should have them approved soon.
ggiersch - Apr 12, 2004 - 03:09 PM
Post subject: Huh?
Hiya!
As far as I know, I'm still the U.S. Tournament Organizer. Where did you hear otherwise?
Looks like you're running one heck of a tournament again. I'll be happy to approve the GenCon one, and the Memorial Day one could be approved because you have chatted it up on the forum, but you never sent me a request for NAF approval. I'll ask the powers that be if the Memorial Day one could be approved too.
Gregg
Old_Man_Monkey - Apr 12, 2004 - 05:07 PM
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Hey Tom and Gregg:
Just wanted to bring up the experimental rosters - Tom, have you discussed with anyone how this might be handled? Not to be the spoiler, but coaches should know their games may not count for a while...
-OMM
ggiersch - Apr 12, 2004 - 08:16 PM
Post subject: Good Point
Thanks OMM,
I see that Tom has addressed that issue in the rules set, but it might need to be clearly announced that any games played against Ogres or Vampires will not be counted in the ranking system. As far as going back and adding them if the teams are officalized - isn't that opening up a can of worms?
We thought about adding the Ogres and Vamps at our last tournament, just so there can be evidence as to how they play at an official event. I imagine that alone should provide some interesting feedback for the Rules Committee
Gregg
GalakStarscraper - Apr 13, 2004 - 08:31 AM
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I guess I didn't see the problem at all.
I missed entering information for Da Scum for GenCon and 10 months later I added it into the database and it was a piece of cake and didn't mess up anything that I could tell in the system.
Figured I could do the same with any games played by an NAF coach of an Ogre or Vampire team. When/If the team becomes official in October, I'd enter the results into the NAF database at that time.
For NAF coaches playing against them ... its like playing against a non-NAF coach ... but with a possible upside that the match could count in the future.
For the NAF coach playing those teams ... well its a risk whether the team ever becomes official or not.
However, I've seen these teams in play enough in the MBBL to be very comfortable adding them into a tournament (with the change to the Ogre team to allow them ST access only).
Not trying to make waves, but with these teams in the stores and solid, balanced, playtested rules for the teams available .... I just didn't see the reason to continue to disallow these teams from tournaments.
Galak
GalakStarscraper - Apr 13, 2004 - 08:33 AM
Post subject: Re: Huh?
ggiersch wrote:
Hiya!
As far as I know, I'm still the U.S. Tournament Organizer. Where did you hear otherwise?
Looks like you're running one heck of a tournament again. I'll be happy to approve the GenCon one, and the Memorial Day one could be approved because you have chatted it up on the forum, but you never sent me a request for NAF approval. I'll ask the powers that be if the Memorial Day one could be approved too.
Gregg
Okay ... this part of the site and operation still needs work ... WHERE is the NAF approval request? I still don't know ... and I'm sorry Gregg ... I swore someone told me you had stepped down as NA rep.
Not trying to be a stick in the cogs of the machine ... just the NAF approval process is still quite a bit confusing to me on how it works.
Serious point to consider guys ... how about adding a sticky to the top of each country thread titled: "How to get your tournament NAF approved"
That would be a great help.
Galak
ggiersch - Apr 13, 2004 - 08:48 AM
Post subject: Good Point!
Right now, the only way someone could get a tournament approved or know the procedure is if they have been talking to people about it (some of the people who contact me have talked to someone at a tournament or via a message board) or many have seen it mentioned in the FAQ section of this site. I agree that perhaps a statement on the NA Tournament forum would be more accessible. Or at the very least, reinforce the idea of official NAF tournaments and how to get 'em approved.
Now for the embarrassing part. How do I set up a sticky?
Gregg
GalakStarscraper - Apr 13, 2004 - 08:57 AM
Post subject: Re: Good Point!
ggiersch wrote:
Now for the embarrassing part. How do I set up a sticky?
Gregg
You have to be a moderator. Thanks Gregg ... I wanted to get it done correctly ... first I heard of the 3 month rule was last week. So I "ran" over here to get an request for approval in by asking in the tournament threads.
Galak
Old_Man_Monkey - Apr 13, 2004 - 09:49 AM
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'guideline' not rule, I think... more so that the notice and rules for the tournaments can be spread sufficiently... it's to make sure the TOs have time to have all their ducks in a row in terms of planning as well...
Can't wait for GenCon and to see everyone again - it appears Tiny, Darth, and all the rest are returning - wahoo!
First the Blood Bowl, then some other tourneys in between, then THE monster in North America - see if I can improve my performance some!!!
-OMM
Zarhan - May 07, 2004 - 07:30 AM
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O.K. I played last year and had a 1 - 1 - 2 record. I was the High Elves. I took many casualties. I have noticed the change on dice, with using one set. I would never say anyones dice are rigged, but my lucky dice weren't so lucky last year smile. Anyways, I am entering again, however am leaning toward my orcs. I should take way less casualties, which in itself should be great. On the flip side the High Elves would get a few more skills, which too would be cool. Too much think, lets play....
I don't care if games against expiremental teams count or not, my object is to have fun, and hopefully post a better showing this year.
And lastly, I have emailed the staff of NAF in regards to my NAF, it needs to be renewed, I was told to hang tight, I would be emailed. Has anyone been emailed about renewals. Just checking.
And thanks to all my opponents last year, I had much fun. I didn't see many star players, so that was definately a plus...
Zarhan
Melifaxis - May 07, 2004 - 07:32 AM
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zarhan wrote:
And lastly, I have emailed the staff of NAF in regards to my NAF, it needs to be renewed, I was told to hang tight, I would be emailed. Has anyone been emailed about renewals. Just checking.
Zarhan
Your membership was extended by 6 months. Look for Neo's 'State of the NAF Address' in the News.
http://www.bloodbowl.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index&catid=&topic=9
darthnoir - May 07, 2004 - 10:28 AM
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Anybody know when event registration opens?
Last I heard it was May 7th, but it still seems to be closed.
jaylazer - May 07, 2004 - 12:41 PM
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Looks like it opens today at noon PST.
If I've done my math on the time difference correct that should be in like 20 minutes.
darthnoir - May 07, 2004 - 03:01 PM
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Hmmm, me thinks their servers are getting pounded. I keep getting script errors when I try to search the catalog.
darthnoir - May 07, 2004 - 03:58 PM
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Well, that's a bit annoying. 
You can register for the Aug 20th portion of the tournament, but not the 21st portion 
Thom - May 09, 2004 - 10:21 PM
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I will be attending my first GenCon this year, but unfortunately I will not be able to participate in this event as I will be working/running multiple BattleTech events for the Solaris VII Coalition. I will make it a point to stop by and spend some time watching the action though, and perhaps finaly get to meet some of the posters I have seen online for years! I am looking forward to this, my first major Con!
darthnoir - May 11, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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It will be cool to meet you Thom.
Zarhan - May 13, 2004 - 01:56 PM
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Will a NAF rep be available at Gen Con for Renewal of memberships???
CyberHare - May 13, 2004 - 01:59 PM
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I'll be there myself.
Old_Man_Monkey - May 24, 2004 - 07:44 AM
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(Also a TBB post...)
Once again, there will be GenCon tee shirts available and this year, they can be preordered online in three different colors... Galak has had the artwork made up courtesy of Majortusk and it looks great!
The following website has been created to handle the preorders:
http://www.floridabloodbowl.com/GC04T.html
- these shirts are being sold to help raise money for tournament costs and prize support.
So all of you headed to GenCon in August and for those who want a great souvenir, the store is now open... !
Please PM me with any questions. Thanks!
-OMM
Clan_Skaven - May 24, 2004 - 02:15 PM
Post subject: hmmm
I work the 19th & 20th of August, so I'll have to see if I can book some time off. If I can I will try & be there.
fe2mike - Jun 02, 2004 - 12:44 PM
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darthnoir wrote:
Well, that's a bit annoying.
You can register for the Aug 20th portion of the tournament, but not the 21st portion
If you are registered for day one you are automatically registered for day two.That is in place so that no one can "bump" somebody else out of day two.
Clan_Skaven - Jul 11, 2004 - 02:37 AM
Post subject: Yaaaa-Hoo!
Ok, great! I have the time booked off! I can go to Gen Con. I have already preregistered, I just wanted to know if any fellow Ontario located coaches are attending?
Anyone driving? If yes do ya got room?
If not I'll eather fly or train it. Also looking for a place to crash, if anyone knows of any not too pricey places.
GalakStarscraper - Jul 12, 2004 - 10:46 AM
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July 12 ... today ... is last day for pre-registration for GenCon after that you'll need to use Generic Tickets or sign-up to play at the door.
Last year was a great tournament with 60 coaches competing ... I was really hoping we'd beat that number this year.
So please get your butts over there and sign up for GenCon and sign up for the Blood Bowl tournament (Game ID: BG00034).
http://www.gencon.com/indyhome.aspx?file=indy
Galak
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 12, 2004 - 01:01 PM
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Just completed mine! I'll be there with a few tee shirts in hand... ready to play!
Clan_Skaven - Jul 12, 2004 - 02:23 PM
Post subject: great
OMM, you wanna split a room?
CyberHare - Jul 12, 2004 - 05:44 PM
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The room is booked, the tickets are purchased, my referee shirt is packed and I've got lots of small bills for the strippers.... um parking attendants 
Last years tourney was a blast not to mention the utter size of Gencon Any geek worth his dice had better drive, fly, hike or crawl their butts over the Indianapolis next month.
One word of advice though. Don't have breakfast at the "Steak and Shake" . There was enough oil on my eggs last year to top up my car 
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 13, 2004 - 01:54 AM
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C-S, PM me and we'll talk...
Xtreme - Jul 14, 2004 - 02:06 AM
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Hey OMM, are the shirts bieng shipped or are we picking them up at the Tournament? I'm sure it was posted somewhere but i've forgotten.
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 14, 2004 - 03:23 AM
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If you preorder and pay by 8/1, then you'll be shipped your shirt...
otherwise I'll have a limited number for sale on site...
Xtreme - Jul 14, 2004 - 05:13 AM
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Alright I have preordered so Guess I will be sporting it. 
KarlLagerbottom - Jul 19, 2004 - 06:11 PM
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GalakStarscraper, - I'd like to grab one of those shirts in heather greay, but using the link on the preorder site doesn't give me the option of bumping-up the price for the larger sizes.
Can you help me out here?
-Rob (aka Karl Lagerbottom)
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 19, 2004 - 06:19 PM
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Rob,
Just email me at the same paypal address and let me know the size - I think you can add the extra $2 when you check out... if not, you can pay me at GenCon.
OMM
KarlLagerbottom - Jul 19, 2004 - 06:42 PM
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OMM-
It doesn't look like I can make it to GenCon. After all I just recently caught Tournament Fever. Can I pay you at Malifax's Boston Event?
Let me know. -Rob
KarlLagerbottom - Jul 19, 2004 - 06:47 PM
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err...I meant Melifaxis.
Sorry about that.
-Rob
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 19, 2004 - 07:37 PM
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Yep, no problem. Sorry about GenCon, tho'...
majortusk - Jul 19, 2004 - 10:29 PM
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does the designer get a shirt?
GalakStarscraper - Jul 20, 2004 - 08:18 PM
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majortusk wrote:
does the designer get a shirt?
HEY ... I gave you the figures for the art ...
I'm running low on cash or I'd pick one up.
You got until the end of the month to order one. If I get some spare cash at GenCon you can hit me up for refund.
Galak
Clan_Skaven - Jul 20, 2004 - 09:13 PM
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Can I buy one at the GenCon?
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 21, 2004 - 01:59 AM
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There will be a limited supply of T-shirts at GenCon - whatever the SMALLEST number over what is needed to make the preordered shirts...
Clan_Skaven - Jul 21, 2004 - 04:52 AM
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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:
There will be a limited supply of T-shirts at GenCon - whatever the SMALLEST number over what is needed to make the preordered shirts...
As long as I don't get a "small" in the "small" quantity left over. 
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 21, 2004 - 06:28 AM
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While I will make every effort to have larger sizes on site... no guarantees! Sorry Rod!
Clan_Skaven - Jul 21, 2004 - 03:28 PM
Post subject: great
Great, I can wear a small one with one of them NAF G-stringy thingy thong thingies.
Maybe it will work as far as scaring my oppnents enough that I'll get those rare wins I need!
KarlLagerbottom - Jul 21, 2004 - 04:12 PM
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How'd you get Foul Appearance?
I guess you're getting too close to that Warp Stone!
-Rob
CyberHare - Jul 23, 2004 - 09:12 AM
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I have room in my car for one more person. If anyone needs a lift down to Gencon I'll be heading down by way of Toronto then down through Detroit. I'll be going down on Thursday and heading back on Sunday. Let me know.
Xtreme - Jul 26, 2004 - 04:45 AM
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Just found out Flogging Molly will be in town the Sunday after GenCon. If anyone is a fan you can stay an extra day and check them out.
Clan_Skaven - Jul 28, 2004 - 11:38 PM
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"Flogging Molly" I take it thats a music group?
Xtreme - Jul 29, 2004 - 01:13 AM
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Yeah a Celt-Punk band.
Old_Man_Monkey - Jul 29, 2004 - 01:41 AM
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They're awesome! I may just stay the extra day and catch the show...
hoomin_erra - Jul 29, 2004 - 02:09 AM
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Cyberhare, i could do with a lift!!!!!!
hoomin_erra - Jul 29, 2004 - 02:10 AM
Post subject: Re: ?
Clan-Skaven wrote:
"Flogging Molly" I take it thats a music group?
Nope, it's a past-time
Da_Scum - Jul 29, 2004 - 02:32 PM
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Team...check...
Evil humour...check...
More additions to stadium...check...
Bracers for arguing with ref...check...
Bribes for judges...check...
Opponents...bring 'em on!
The Goblins plan on IMPROVING their record this time! None of this just going undefeated...I'm not letting a tie with Chaos Dwarves smear MY record!
Now I just need to get those hats done in time.
Clan_Skaven - Jul 30, 2004 - 06:03 AM
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Xtreme wrote:
Yeah a Celt-Punk band.
Hey my dad plays the Bagpipes, but he is in no way Punk!
GalakStarscraper - Aug 02, 2004 - 01:20 PM
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Da_Scum wrote:
Bracers for arguing with ref...check...
If I remember right I have a good 70 pounds on you. You better make sure you are pretty quick with those bracers ... ya Goblin git ...
Galak
Da_Scum - Aug 02, 2004 - 02:12 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
Da_Scum wrote:
Bracers for arguing with ref...check...
If I remember right I have a good 70 pounds on you. You better make sure you are pretty quick with those bracers ... ya Goblin git ...
Galak
Ah..but you fall under "Bribes for Judges", so this is of no concern!
Besides, the Goblins always bring their own "Firm but Fair" referees anyway...
Melifaxis - Aug 03, 2004 - 09:08 AM
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For those of you heading to GenCon, OMM has a surprise in store for you 
Da_Scum - Aug 03, 2004 - 09:12 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
For those of you heading to GenCon, OMM has a surprise in store for you
He's dipped his block dice into a pint of Guinness so he'll get nothing but POWS? (Like a certain Elf team that shall remain gooned at the Spike!)
Grasshopper - Aug 03, 2004 - 11:14 AM
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That's the best!!! Why didn't I think of that... DRUNK DICE ! ! ! Now... where's the Jameson...
CyberHare - Aug 03, 2004 - 01:05 PM
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I certanly hope it doesn't suck
Melifaxis - Aug 04, 2004 - 02:02 PM
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I'm betting it will
GalakStarscraper - Aug 06, 2004 - 09:32 AM
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Okay since both Vamps and Ogres will be present as teams playing at GenCon (confirmed) ... I've made an appeal to the NAF to add them to the team rankings. The rules have been stable for sometime now and even the Vault it not talking about making hardly any material changes to the teams.
On a side note ... Jake just got me some extra special goodies to have as prizes for GenCon. 2 of the new Skaven Poisoned Dagger star player that is coming soon. And a Ressurection Gutter Runner and a Lizardman Cheerleader.
So Snots ... if you are still looking for the Cheerleader ... bring your checkbook ... or your Ogres better win it all so you have first dibs.
Galak
Xtreme - Aug 08, 2004 - 04:43 AM
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or your Ogres better win it all
Only hope at getting a prize is most CAS or wooden spoon.
Hoshi_Komi - Aug 13, 2004 - 11:17 AM
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I might have talked skummy into coming
Old_Man_Monkey - Aug 13, 2004 - 11:50 AM
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Very cool - do we need to make extra room hotel-wise?
Hoshi_Komi - Aug 13, 2004 - 01:14 PM
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he isn't officially in yet...i figured he'd just squeeze in with us.
Old_Man_Monkey - Aug 13, 2004 - 02:58 PM
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It's not a problem to get another room for the three days (Thurs-Fri-Sat) if everyone will be a bit more comfortable... just let me know!
darthnoir - Aug 17, 2004 - 08:45 PM
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I look forward to seeing everyone there. Mikey and I arrive at 5:50 PM tomorrow night.
Da_Scum - Aug 17, 2004 - 09:32 PM
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A zebra hunting we will go....
GalakStarscraper - Aug 22, 2004 - 06:43 PM
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In an effort for as instant a gratification as I can give here are the results of the GenCon 2004.
Tournament Results:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GenCon/GenCon2004_TournamentResults.htm
Race Results:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GenCon/GenCon2004_RaceResults.htm
Couple interesting notes:
1) The 2nd place Chaos Dwarf team had no Bull Centaurs
2) Wolfgang's 1st place Undead team took Tackle on 2 Wights after his first game for skills and then never played a team with Dodge (in effect handicapping himself by 2 skills for the tournament)
3) The winner of the Most Casualties award was 8 years old and his parents let him miss school on Friday to come compete.
4) Darthnoir's (Marcus Ervin) best sportsmanship score was perfect (meaning all 4 of his opponent's rated him most sportsman like of their 4 games)
5) For the second year in a row at GenCon, a team with a Star Player did not go home with a performance trophy (ie 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Most TDs, Most CAS, or Fewest TD allowed)
6) We used the rule that both coaches MUST use the same set of dice for their game. This rule received enormous amounts of feedback as one of the best new tournament ideas the coaches had seen. Thanks to CyberHare who suggested this to me at last year's Underworld Cup.
7) Snots finally got a Lizardman Cheerleader for his collection
8 ) After reviewing everything throughly this morning, I entered everything correctly unlike last year ...
9) The Chaos Cup organizers were at GenCon and are currently planning on using a trimmed down version of our rules for that event in November.
10) The spreadsheet that David Allen (Dangerous Dave) and I created is really working well now and I'll be sending a copy over to the folks at the NAF to post if they so choose.
11) Finally ... 46 coaches (33 NAF) (none of the folks flew over that mentioned that might (other than Wolfgang) so we missed our foreign brethren ... we also took a hit because college and schools are in session so we lost some of those folks). Its still the largest US tournament and the largest NA tournament until we see how many folks attend the Spike. Next year GenCon will be moving to a 5 game format to give everyone more games.
Thanks to everyone that attended ... I think we had a great showing and everything this year went pretty smoothly.
Galak
Zombie - Aug 22, 2004 - 07:03 PM
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Another observation : most bashy teams finished in the top 50% and most agility teams finished in the bottom 50%.
But chaos dwarves without bull centaurs finishing second? Wow!
Thanks for posting the results so quickly!
Zombie - Aug 22, 2004 - 07:15 PM
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Yeah! I just noticed that 2 of the 4 Canadians present finished in the top 4. We rule! 
GalakStarscraper - Aug 22, 2004 - 08:31 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Another observation : most bashy teams finished in the top 50% and most agility teams finished in the bottom 50%.
Hmmmmm ... I'm not so sure I agree with that analysis.
If I take the places each race finished in and average them for the tournament I end up with this:
Code:
Chaos Dwarf 3.5
Ogre 11
Halfling 13
Human 13
Lizardmen 14.5
Chaos 16
Goblin 16.5
Wood Elf 18.7
Khemri 20
Orc 20.5
Amazon 22
Dwarf 22
Undead 24
Dark Elf 25.7
Skaven 27.8
Norse 29.6
High Elf 31
I definitely would not call that table overly skewed to strength teams at the top. Slanted a bit ... yes .. but I don't know that I'd say most ST were in the top 50% and most AG were in the bottom 50%. But that's just me ... especially with Humans and Halflings in the top 4 races.
Galak
GalakStarscraper - Aug 22, 2004 - 08:38 PM
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Here's another way to look at the Strength vs Agility comparison for the tournament using the races defined this way:
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Amazon Mixed
Chaos Strength
Chaos Dwarf Strength
Dark Elf Agility
Dwarf Strength
Elf Agility
Goblin Stunty
Halfling Stunty
High Elf Agility
Human Mixed
Khemri Strength
Lizardmen Strength
Necromantic Mixed
Norse Mixed
Nurgle Strength
Ogre Big Guy
Orc Strength
Skaven Fast
Undead Strength
Vampire Mixed
Wood Elf Agility
That's gives you this:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GenCon/GenCon2004_TypeResults.htm
Galak
Zombie - Aug 22, 2004 - 08:45 PM
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Well, here's how i see it, from top to bottom. B = bashing, A = agility, M = middle or average. I should have said top fourth vs bottom 3 fourths.
B,B,M,M,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,A,A,A,B,A,B,B,B,A,B,M,M,A,B,B,A,A,M,A,A,B,A,B,B,A,A,B,B,B,B,B,A,M,A,M
The first agility team in the tournament came in 12th place. There were 9 bashing teams above it.
Zombie - Aug 22, 2004 - 08:54 PM
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I had fewer categories than you. Ogres in my book are a bashing team, and at low TR so are norse (all block) and necromantic (2 guys with frenzy + claw, cheap dirty players and regeneration).
Skaven are agility, and so are halflings. I rank goblins as average since they can bash pretty effectively with 2 big guys and secret weapons.
Clan_Skaven - Aug 22, 2004 - 10:14 PM
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Great job Tom. I wanted to thank you for a very fun weekend. Despite the fact that I still do not have my first win vs. an NAF player!
Tom do you still need me to go have a talk with that GenCon Organiser for you?
I'll be there next year for sure! Just as long as I get the time off from work.
Thanks goes out to Jim (OMM) as well. Thanks for being a great roomate for the weekend. I really enjoyed hanging out with you this weekend & being your drinking buddy. "Jim your a Dog... woof woof!" 
(long story) Many beers many laughs!
Thanks also goes out to Brian (Cyber Hare) & Rene for being great travle buddy's! Thanks soooo very much for picking me up & driving me to the Gen Con. Also thanks for putting up with my useless babbling about mostly nothing! (Hey its a long car ride, ya run out of stuff to talk about real quickly after 7+ hours in a car!)
I also wanted to thank all of my new friends that I made this trip. I'm terrible with names but here goes...
Steve (Snots) thanks for the 16 sided die, that was really cool! You & I gotta go out drinking again! (Next time I'll try & keep up! 
)
Val I'll look foward to discussing conversion ideas with you in the future, and maybe next time we meet you could teach me a thing or two!
Marcus, debating various BB topics was great. I understand why you won the most sporting player award, after knowing you for such a short time.
Matt you still look like "Josh" stay away from forrests man!
As far as everyone else I met this weekend (I'm drawing blank on names but I still remember the faces) thanks to all of you as well for a great time! Oh & if I messed up anyone names sorry, let me know.
Thanks.
Clan-Skaven (Rod)
Zarhan - Aug 23, 2004 - 07:37 AM
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Had a great time, went 2 wins, 2 ties and 0 losses. I think the best game was my first round match up my Khemri versus another Khemri team. Our teams were nearly identical, however I took a throw ra, intead of a 3rd reroll. Anyways, I enjoyed all my games, and the con much better. My high elves got dominated last year it felt good not to have 70 percent of my team out. I allowed 1 run to two of the guys who ended up with 11 TD's for my only 2 TD's allowed during the tourney.
As far as 5 games next year, It's not that I wouldn't enjoy another game, however the timing isn't really great. Perhaps toggling with the start time each day would be more apealing to myself. Tom mentioned starting at 8 AM on Saturday, I would recommend starting both days at 8 AM, letting out earlier Friday. Anyways, thats my two cents. And thankx Tom, you taught me how multiple block is used, and I got to use it, yeah two pushes. Darn Amazons. I will keep checking as I'm unsure where I finished in the tournament, place wise.
Bobbo
GalakStarscraper - Aug 23, 2004 - 09:21 AM
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Tournament Results:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GenCon/GenCon2004_TournamentResults.htm
zarhan ... you tied with 4 people for 9th place out of 46 coaches.
Just entered in all the NAF results for the tournament as well so your NAF rankings should now reflect GenCon. If I could not get all the materials up on my website before the event ... at least we are cruising now after it.
As for an 8 am start on Friday. The problem with that is that a lot of coaches are just coming to GenCon for the 1st time on that day. You need a little bit of buffer that morning for them to find your tournament and in many cases get tickets to play in it.
Galak
CyberHare - Aug 23, 2004 - 01:32 PM
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Hey what do ya know I came in last Though it's odd that even after missing a round I still didn't come in last in points. All well, I tried
Sorry to everyone for not being more social. There are just sooo many things to do at Gencon that it's hard to get them all in with the time available.
Tom, as always it's a blast to be at Gencon. I can't guaruntee I'll be the odd man out forever but I can say for sure that I'd be glad to help out next year.
A couple of suggestions for next year. Don't pick the best painted teams yourself. It'll save on the agrivation. 
State how many teams you'll be picking up front. That'll also save on the arguments.
If you're going to stop games at a specific time then be firm. Everyone should get the same amount of time to play unless you're letting people finish their games. Personally I think people should finish their games but if it is timed then you've gotta be firm and call it. It's the only way to be fair to everyone. Also if you're only allowing 2 hours per round I'd very stongly suggest encouraging people to use timers.
I know you're set on having 5 games for next year. Cool, it'll make the event that much better. Just find a way to give people that Saturday afternoon off. I know I saw a fair amount of BB coaches scurring around the dealer room as I was after the tourney. I think it'll come back to you being firm on the time Saturday morning.
GalakStarscraper - Aug 23, 2004 - 04:39 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
A couple of suggestions for next year. Don't pick the best painted teams yourself. It'll save on the agrivation.
State how many teams you'll be picking up front. That'll also save on the arguments.
Agreed ... although the guy that left the tournament I think over my comments on his paint job stiffed me for the tournament entry fee. The ticket he gave me was for another game and I didn't catch it so I'm out that cash. Not bitter ... and I'd like to believe that it was an honest mistake ... but the irony is not lost on me. But lesson learned.
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If you're going to stop games at a specific time then be firm. Everyone should get the same amount of time to play unless you're letting people finish their games.
Now I did try and be firm. When I called time ... I meant it ... but I allowed folks extra time if I thought I had it to give. The whole tournament ran only 30 minutes over on Friday and was only 10 minutes over on Saturday ... so I thought we did pretty good for an event that sized.
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I know you're set on having 5 games for next year. Cool, it'll make the event that much better. Just find a way to give people that Saturday afternoon off.
Firm schedule for next year:
8 to 10 Game 4
10 - 10:15 Break
10:15 - 12:15 Game 5
12:15 - 1:00 Break
1:00 - 1:30 Awards
That should be very doable and gives folks 4 1/2 hours in the vendor area the next day.
The other option that I'd be interested to hear feedback about would be this for Friday:
8 to 9 Registration
9 to 11 Game 1
11 to 11:30 Break
11:30 to 1:30 Game 2
1:30 to 3:30 Break
3:30 to 5:30 Game 3
This schedule would give folks 2 hours to get lunch and check out the dealer room along with a 1/2 hour before the dealer room closed on Friday.
All total ... that would be 2 1/2 hours on Friday and 4 1/2 on Saturday for 7 hours total of useable time off during the tournament.
Now that might be a better format. Thoughts???
Galak
CyberHare - Aug 23, 2004 - 07:28 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
Now I did try and be firm. When I called time ... I meant it ... but I allowed folks extra time if I thought I had it to give. The whole tournament ran only 30 minutes over on Friday and was only 10 minutes over on Saturday ... so I thought we did pretty good for an event that sized.
It's not a matter of being on schedule it's a matter of fairness for all involved. Some people actually stopped their games when you called time and others continued to play. Those who stopped got cheated out of game time where they could have been making casualties and td's. I realise that there were games that started late and it sort of threw things off but there are better ways to handle it than letting some play longer than others. I really hope that you can come to the Death Bowl this year so that you can see how I do it.
GalakStarscraper wrote:
Firm schedule for next year:
8 to 10 Game 4
10 - 10:15 Break
10:15 - 12:15 Game 5
12:15 - 1:00 Break
1:00 - 1:30 Awards
That should be very doable and gives folks 4 1/2 hours in the vendor area the next day.
It's doable, very tight but doable.
Da_Scum - Aug 23, 2004 - 08:21 PM
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Once again the Goblins fear and amaze their opponents...
...I think I'm going to get into even more trouble with the rest of them with my team's incredible ability to COMPLETELY wreck the bell curve in figuring out just how bad they really are supposed to be.
(I'd recommend build a stadium, that home field advantage has been killer since I started using it...)
A HUGE "Huzzah!" to Tom for one hell of a great tournament...just let me know who stiffed you on the money and I'll go goon him for you. 
Thank you for all the great opponents, even having my green butt handed to me by the Legendary Old Man Monkey was well worth the trip...even if my ass is going to be sore for a week...
...now time for the boys to go celebrate 4th place with the Maggotettes! Then we're prepping for the Spike!
Old_Man_Monkey - Aug 23, 2004 - 09:36 PM
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Nothing legendary about this OMM - fortunate to be able to travel and meet so many good coaches and make friends with so many good people. Great to have a game, DS, and look forward to seeing you, and all the rest, in a few short weeks!
A great hurray for the Maggotettes - long may they rule their strange green world!
Zarhan - Aug 24, 2004 - 07:19 AM
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I like the time table you set up, and definately like the competition at GEN CON. I am going to try to make it to the Halfling Mug next year, I thought you were involved in that one as well, I could be mistaking. you gave us a sheet with the proposed 2007 changes, and you guessed it I lost it, darn gen con. Could you give us an url for it.
And thanx for another great tournament. And I only have one question for everyone, Will there be a three time champion next Gen Con, or will he be dethroned?
Zarhan
Hoshi_Komi - Aug 24, 2004 - 08:53 AM
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The reason I like galak's rule that all fouling cas count towards Most Cas award: Khemri team is guaranteed Most Cas. Gives other teams a shot
GalakStarscraper - Aug 24, 2004 - 10:02 AM
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zarhan wrote:
Could you give us an url for it.
http://fumbbl.com/files/GLN/home/m0nty/vault1p51_refsheet_v1bw.PDF
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And I only have one question for everyone, Will there be a three time champion next Gen Con, or will he be dethroned?
Wolfgang is one of the best technical players I've ever seen. I think he definitely has what it takes to 3-peat ... we'll see if he comes back to GenCon to go for it. With Beniot taking 2nd when he took 3rd last year definitely proves to me that Blood Bowl is a game of skill with a luck element. So you guys have 2 players that you guys need to worry about next year.
I'm really hoping we can pull in the coaches from overseas at some point beyond Wolfgang.
Galak
Da_Scum - Aug 24, 2004 - 12:42 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
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And I only have one question for everyone, Will there be a three time champion next Gen Con, or will he be dethroned?
Wolfgang is one of the best technical players I've ever seen. I think he definitely has what it takes to 3-peat ... we'll see if he comes back to GenCon to go for it. With Beniot taking 2nd when he took 3rd last year definitely proves to me that Blood Bowl is a game of skill with a luck element. So you guys have 2 players that you guys need to worry about next year.
I'm really hoping we can pull in the coaches from overseas at some point beyond Wolfgang.
Galak
Pah! If I hadn't had such a disasterous round of Dice betraying me against OMM the Goblins would have shown him what-for! My fans would have made sure he paid for visiting MY home stadium! 
GalakStarscraper - Aug 24, 2004 - 01:40 PM
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For those wondering since the Chaos Cup might be using rules similar to GenCon ... here is what worked for the 1st through 5th placed players:
1st place: Wolfgang's Undead:
2 Mummies
2 Wights
3 Ghouls
2 Skeletons
3 Zombies
3 Rerolls
5 Fan Factor
(Wolfgang also made good use of the Necromancer which allowed him to add a Zombie to his team as soon as an opponent died).
Skills taken in order: 2 wights took Tackle; 1 Ghoul took Block; 2 Ghouls took Block
2nd place: Benoit's Chaos Dwarf:
1 Minotaur
6 Chaos Dwarf Blocker
5 Hobgoblin
4 Rerolls
7 Fan Factor
Skils taken in order: 2 CD took Mighty Blow; 1 Hobgoblin took Strip Ball; Hobgoblin took Sure Hands and a CD took Guard
3rd place: Frank's Humans:
2 Blitzer
3 Catcher
2 Thrower
6 Lineman
3 Rerolls
2 Fan Factor
Skill taken in order: 2 Catchers took Block; Blitzer took Pro; Blitzer took Mighty Blow and Lineman took Kick
4th place: David's Goblins
2 Trolls
Ripper Bolgrot
Fungus the Loon
7 Goblins
2 Rerolls
8 Fan Factor
Skills taken in order: 1 Goblin took Dirty Player; 1 Troll took Guard; 1 Troll took Block
5th place (tie): Steve's Ogres
5 Ogres
6 Goblins
2 Rerolls
2 Fan Factor
Skills taken in order: 1 Ogre took Sure Hands; 1 Goblin took Side Step; 2 Ogres take Guard
5th place (tie): Jim's Chaos Dwarves
1 Minotaur
2 Bull Centaur
5 Chaos Dwarf Blockers
3 Hobgoblin
2 Rerolls
1 Fan Factor
1 Apothecary
Skills taken in order: 2 Bull Centaurs take Break Tackle; 1 Hobgoblin takes Sure Hands; 2 CDs take Guard
Just to give you some ideas of the rosters and skill choices that won the tournament this year.
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Okay made a quick and dirty picture page for GenCon. ... the pictures haven't been resized yet ... so they are huge. High speed users only should check out this link.
I have several shots of the teams for Xtreme, Snots, Wolfgang, OMM, Da_Scum. Also several shots of Mrin's pitch.
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GenCon/2004/GenConPicList.html
Galak
Xtreme - Aug 24, 2004 - 01:44 PM
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Some of my pics here
http://photobucket.com/albums/v454/XtremesGenCon/
Zombie - Aug 24, 2004 - 01:51 PM
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Why so much fan factor?
GalakStarscraper - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:04 PM
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Zombie wrote:
Why so much fan factor?
You'd have to ask them Zombie. But I'll admit that winning a critical reroll from Cheering Fans, a lost player from Throw a Rock, or a Pitch Invasion can win an entire game by itself.
That effect should not be underestimated. I know some players think the risk/reward is not worth taking the extra FF ... but I know several coaches who swear by being able to win those rolls.
Galak
Clan_Skaven - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:25 PM
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Xtreme wrote:
Great pics.
One of my arms made it in two pics, & part of my head/hat made it in another.
"I guess you needed to score a win to have your picture taken, lol"
Zombie - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:42 PM
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Yeah, nice pics!
Ogre vs Ogre is cool! And i also like those totem Treemen...
Clan_Skaven - Aug 24, 2004 - 02:44 PM
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If anyone has the group shot of the coaches after the GenCon, could you please e-mail it to me at clan-skaven@nfgh.com
Thanks.
(I want to put it up on our website)
KarlLagerbottom - Aug 24, 2004 - 04:37 PM
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Can I just say after seeing the pictures...I am more sorry than ever that I didn't make the GenBowl. I also want to say that I will never see Star Wars Eposide 4 in the same light again after the seeing the picture of the Stormtrooper that made her way through the room. She moved me.
-Rob
snew - Aug 24, 2004 - 10:29 PM
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Arrgh! I just thought I'd come over and say what a great time hanging out with everyone was. The tourney was great but it seems like a lot of work. Meeting, eating, drinking, and just hanging out with, clowning around, and making friends with like-minded fanatics is just worth more than you can imagine though. Our little band of merry men is growing and that can only be a good thing. I had a great time and I'll miss you all till we meet again next year.
snew - Aug 24, 2004 - 10:35 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
Zombie wrote:
Why so much fan factor?
You'd have to ask them Zombie. But I'll admit that winning a critical reroll from Cheering Fans, a lost player from Throw a Rock, or a Pitch Invasion can win an entire game by itself.
That effect should not be underestimated. I know some players think the risk/reward is not worth taking the extra FF ... but I know several coaches who swear by being able to win those rolls.
Galak
I have to admit that I lost every kickoff result that had me rolling against my opponent. I did my best by holding them to only one TD the whole tourney but I did score a few times and it was an issue.
Oh Zombie, Ogre vs Ogre was awful cool. We had two different rosters as well. He outstrengthed me with 6 Ogres to my 5 but my extra Goblin and Reroll seemed to make a difference. It was a tough game but immensely enjoyable due to it being Xtreme, all-around good guy and great coach.
Zombie - Aug 25, 2004 - 12:04 AM
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With retrospect, would you say that it would have paid off to have one less reroll and 7 more FF?
Xtreme - Aug 25, 2004 - 12:37 AM
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Oh Zombie, Ogre vs Ogre was awful cool. We had two different rosters as well. He outstrengthed me with 6 Ogres to my 5 but my extra Goblin and Reroll seemed to make a difference. It was a tough game but immensely enjoyable due to it being Xtreme, all-around good guy and great coach
Have to agree. I think this was my favorite tournament game I have played to date. Great matchup and fun on the pitch and a great fun opponet on the other side of the table. Thanks for bieng the most sporting coach snots.
snew - Aug 25, 2004 - 08:13 AM
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Thanks Xtreme! How do you think you would have done if you had another reroll? Do you think it would've made a difference?
Zombie, I wouldn't say so. Even having the full contingent of Goblins, they end up off the pitch eventually and I ended up having to rely on the Ogres to do odd things. That and their lack of Block, make that 2nd reroll vital.
Grumbledook - Aug 25, 2004 - 09:24 AM
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man that choas dwarf coach stole my no centaurs idea
Xtreme - Aug 25, 2004 - 10:01 AM
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I'm sure I would have done better with 6 gobbos and another reroll, but I just really want more ogres then goblins on the team so I couldn't bring myself to take that roster.
Hoshi_Komi - Aug 25, 2004 - 10:16 AM
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yeah!! it's an Ogre team!! not a gobbo team with ogres
SkavenBoy - Aug 25, 2004 - 12:04 PM
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Hi Guys,
Just wanted to say that this was my first experience at a tourny and I had a great time playing and meeting everyone. I'll definately be there for next year's Gen Con Bowl.
PS Any reason why my matches aren't recorded in the tournament section?
GalakStarscraper - Aug 25, 2004 - 12:20 PM
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SkavenBoy wrote:
Hi Guys,
Just wanted to say that this was my first experience at a tourny and I had a great time playing and meeting everyone. I'll definately be there for next year's Gen Con Bowl.
PS Any reason why my matches aren't recorded in the tournament section?
Yeah ... because I'm confused. Skavenboy you signed up for the NAF as William Hairston. For GenCon I had a Scott Hairston ... are you the same person??? I just want to make sure as I try to be very careful to not give NAF points to the wrong coach. You were the coach of the Run En Gunners ... is this correct?
If so I'll get your results and the results for the Bay City Drowboys in later this week.
Galak
SkavenBoy - Aug 25, 2004 - 12:22 PM
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Yeah that's me, sorry. My name is William Scott Hairston. I go by Scott. Sorry for the confusion.
Arylith - Aug 25, 2004 - 09:09 PM
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Hey all. Just wanted to say that I had a great time at the tourney. It was the first time I've played BB in almost 2 years, and the first time at GenCon that I have skipped the 40k tourney in favor of something else. I'm soo glad that I did. I an definitely planning on next year, even if I don't make it to any other matches this year. I think my husband got a few picks of the tourney so I'll post the URL this weekend when I get them up.
GalakStarscraper - Aug 25, 2004 - 10:27 PM
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It was a pleasure to have you in the tournament Arylith ... nice to have some class with so many vagabonds at the tournament ... ... yeah you with the Goblins ... I'm talking about you ...
Arylith had a really good chance of getting Most Casualties coming out of game 3. But Da_Scum's Goblins really put the kabosh on the party the next day. If you reverse the score and cas on Arylith game with Da Scum she would have ended up 4th overall at the tournament ... but the Rat Ogre was too sated from the carnage of the previous day and choose not to terrorize the Goblins.
Ah well Arylith ... if you have to lose to Goblins in the last round of GenCon ... at least it was to the #1 rated Goblin coach in the world.
Someday I hope to get another shot at Dave's Goblins ... I had Dave's number 2 years ago at the Underworld Cup and the dice turned evil ... some day I want another shot at him as well.
Anyway ... like I do with everyone I get to actually meet and talk to at GenCon ... I look foward to seeing you for next year's tournament. Glad the tournament proved run well enough to win over 40k.
Galak
Clan_Skaven - Aug 26, 2004 - 06:34 AM
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I'd like a revenge match vs. the gobos.
Last Aug. at the Games Day in Toronto, he tied me 1-1
But I only had like 5-6 Skaven left on the pitch, to his mass of green-skins.
When you have 9 players in the KO'd box & all 9 stay in the KO'd box.... Well I guess I was lucky to walk away with a tie.
Thom - Aug 26, 2004 - 11:54 PM
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I really wanted to spend time in the Blood Bowl area, but my event schedule conflicted with the tourney. I was able to stop by only briefly during the final round and didn't have a chance to introduce myself to anyone. It was disappointing for me as I really wanted to meet folks and put faces to the names I have seen online for the past three or four years. . .
I am planning to attend GenCon So Cal next year, perhaps I can participate then!
darthnoir - Aug 29, 2004 - 09:00 PM
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Well, it took me long enough but my GenCon2004 pictures are now up:
http://www.bajasol.net/TournamentPage/GenCon2004/
If anyone is interested in getting larger versions of any of these images, feel free to PM me.
Xtreme - Aug 29, 2004 - 09:39 PM
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Great pics, funny that of all the sets of GenCon pics I have seen noone missed the stormtrooper.
kwailung - Aug 30, 2004 - 01:33 AM
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If you want to see her face, you can view it here:
http://www.fansview.com/2004/gencon/0821c0262.jpg
It's from the costume contest.
kwailung - Aug 30, 2004 - 01:43 AM
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And the photog from A Fan's View also has one slightly better from Friday of her just around the con.
http://www.fansview.com/2004/gencon/0821a0133.jpg
Zombie - Aug 30, 2004 - 03:34 AM
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I was about to call you a bunch of morons for drooling over a pic of someone who might as well be a guy under the costume. But now that we can see her face and belly, i agree that she's attractive.
Xtreme - Aug 30, 2004 - 04:06 AM
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She had her naval pierced and a nice little Tatt on her lower back as well.
Da_Scum - Sep 03, 2004 - 03:52 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
I'd like a revenge match vs. the gobos.
Last Aug. at the Games Day in Toronto, he tied me 1-1
But I only had like 5-6 Skaven left on the pitch, to his mass of green-skins.
When you have 9 players in the KO'd box & all 9 stay in the KO'd box.... Well I guess I was lucky to walk away with a tie.
What can I say? The lads had a bad day picking up the ball, their earlier match with those annoying elves seems to always do that to them... 
And next time those Chaos Dwarves won't get so lucky, but what do you expect from a broken team. Our OsterReich freund wouldn't be parading with the trophy if it wasn't for the sudden disaster in luck. Next time he'll be facing Goblins, and since he's used to facing all those inferior European Goblin coaches this should be a cake-walk.
And it's all about the Goblin's Dino-dice of doom...best chaotic dice in
the universe! The doom of Galek and our skaven Mistress...
snew - Sep 04, 2004 - 07:09 PM
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I hate those dice, not because they did anything wrong. They are just plain hard to read.
Xtreme - Sep 04, 2004 - 08:37 PM
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I hate those firm but fair refs, not because they are firm but because they aren't very fair.
Da_Scum - Sep 05, 2004 - 05:21 AM
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Xtreme wrote:
I hate those firm but fair refs, not because they are firm but because they aren't very fair.
They're fair to my team, and that's all that really counts is it not?
And those Dice of Doom are easy to read, either they're "Woo-hoo!" or "Crap!", which the Skaven did to me quite well in that last game with that string of Six's to get the ball out of the impossible situation and pass it OUT of the impossible situation!
...though the final Six by me to Intercept the ball did kind of ruin the drama there...oops!