Chaos Cup 2004 rules

TAKE ROOT
A new version of Take Root will be used instead of the version in the LRB 3.0:
Before taking any action roll a D6. On a 2+, the player may take his action as normal.
On a 1, the Player "takes root", and his MA is considered 0 until a touchdown is scored
or the half ends, or he is knocked over (and no, players from his own team may not try
and Block him in order to try to knock him over!). A player that has taken root may not
Go For It, be pushed back for any reason, or use any skill/trait that would allow him to
move out of his current square. The player may block adjacent players without follow-up.

PRO
Pro will be a General skill

MUMMIES
Mummies on the Undead team will cost 110k NOT 100k. IE this makes Mummies on BOTH the
Khemri and Undead teams have the same price of 110k.

EXPERIMENTAL TEAMS ALLOWED
The Chaos Cup will be allowing the current experimental Vampire and Ogre teams to play.
The vampire team will not be allowed to have the Head Coach play (only purchase Count Luthor).
So that all 18 official teams and the 2 experimental allowed for 20 total.

Rules for Ogre team:
0-12 Ogre 120,000 5 5 2 9 Mighty Blow Thick Skull, Throw Team-Mate, Bonehead --- Strength
0-6 Goblin 40,000 6 2 3 7 Dodge Right Stuff, Stunty --- Agility
Rerolls 70,000

Rules for Vampire team:
0-12 Thrall 40,000 6 3 3 7 --- General
0-6 Vampire 110,000 6 4 4 8 Hypnotic Gaze, Regenerate, Bloodthirst --- General, Agility, Strength
Rerolls 70,000 Apothecary can only be used on Thralls if purchased

New Racial Characteristic and Rules: Bloodthirst: Vampires must occasionally feed on the blood
of the living. Because of this, roll a D6 whenever a Vampire takes an action. On a 2+ the Vampire
may carry out the action as normal. On a '1', however, the Vampire is overcome by the desire to
drink Human blood; the Vampire loses their declared action for the turn and must instead take a
Move action. If the Vampire finishes the move standing adjacent to one or more Thralls, he attacks
one of them. Immediately roll for injury on the Thrall who has been attacked without making an Armor
roll. The injury will not cause a turnover unless the Thrall was holding the ball. If the Vampire is
not able to attack a Thrall (for any reason), then he is removed from the field and placed in his
team's Reserves box before his action is considered ended, and his team suffers a Turnover. If he
was holding the ball it bounces from the square he occupied when he was removed. If the Vampire is
Knocked Out or Injured before biting a Thrall, then he should be placed in the appropriate box of
the Dug Out instead of being placed in the Reserves box. Note that the Vampire is allowed to pick
up the football or do anything else they could normally do while taking a Move action, but must
bite a Thrall to avoid the Turnover.

NO GENERAL SKILL ACCESS
All players with starting Strength of 5 or more and Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs will be treated as
having Strength only skill access (instead of their normal General/Strength access).

GAINING SKILLS/RESETTING ROSTERS
The tournament will be 4 rounds of Swiss. Starting team will be 1,000,000. You will be allowed
your choice of giving 2 players each a normal skill or one player a doubles roll skill or mutation
after rounds 1 and 3. After round 2, you will be allowed to give one player a normal skill. A player
may not be given more than one new skill/trait during the entire tournament. All casualties that
have been inflicted on your team, including death, are wiped away at the end of the game. In other
words the team resets to your starting roster after every game. Skills accrued through the tournament
will not be lost, even if the player dies. Note: Apothecaries are still useful for bringing back
injured players during the game.

DICE
Before each game you and your opponent both agree to use ONLY ONE set of dice for the entire game ...
the other player puts his dice away where they cannot be used. If you cannot agree on the dice to be
used, a referee will decide by rolling for it. If you are superstitious about people touching your
lucky dice ... the tournament would like to suggest that you bring a different set of dice to the
tournament that you don't care if other people touch as this rule will be enforced.

WIZARDS
150k for a Wizard or a Dwarven Runesmith. Halflings get the Master Chef for free and can purchase
additional Chef rolls for 60k each as a permanent increase to the Chef's abilities. Undead and
Necromantic teams get their Necromancer for free, but may not purchase a normal wizard. Khemri
and Vampire teams may not have a wizard. To use the Necromantic/Undead Raise Dead spell during
a match, you must have an extra painted Zombie figure to represent this player during the game.

ILLEGAL PROCEDURE
The Chaos Cup will NOT be using the Illegal Procedure rule. If BOTH coaches agree to play with
the rule, they may use it. But if one or both do not wish to use the rule, then it will not be
used for the match.

MINIATURES/MUTATIONS
You team must contain only Games Workshop (GW) miniatures either Blood Bowl or converted from
another GW, Marauder, or Citadel range. All miniatures must be painted with a minimum of 2 colors
and the bases must be decorated or painted (at least green) or you will not be allowed to play.
Also mutations if you plan on having them on your team ... you MUST have a figure that clearly
shows the mutation to take it. You cannot give Claw to a Skaven Storm Vermin if you don't have a
football geared Skaven from some GW game system with a Claw for a hand.

SCORING

GAMES:
Win = 55 points
Tie = 35 points
Loss = 10 points

Blow out bonus (won by 2+ points) = +10 points
Keeping it close bonus (lost by 1 point) = +10 points
Smackdown bonus (Caused more casualties) = +10 points
Give and take (tied for casualties) = +5 points

PAINTING

+3 Based: All the bases in the team (including coaching staff) are painted and textured
in some manner. The baseline for texture is flock as a minimum. Just being painted green is not enough!

+3 Painted: The team is painted, all models have at least 3 colors on them. Different colors should be
used for different areas. Undercoats must not be visible.

+3 Detailed: All models have had the details of the model painted in a variety of colors or with
noticeable effects. This can be shading or highlighting, or 'black-lining' etc. This discriminates
between the merely painted team and the team that has had attention paid to it.

+6 Representative: All models on the team are representative of the race and position that they
are meant to portray. Extra weapons that are not part of a finished and painted figure should be
removed. This does not mean that you must use official Blood Bowl miniatures. Only that an Ogre
should look like an Ogre, a Dwarf should look like a Dwarf and so on.

Important: For all 4 of the above ... In order to get the full points for a category all the models
in the team must fulfill the criteria. If even one fails, the points can't be scored. The team
voted best overall painted team by the coaches playing in the tournament over lunch will receive an
extra 5 Painting points. The head referee and his assistants will choose the teams eligible for this
voting during the morning. You must have painted your own team to be eligible for the best painted
voting (however, teams painted by another person can still earn the full 15 normal painting points).

SPORTSMANSHIP
At the end of the tournament, coaches will rank players from most to least sporting with a 1 being
most sporting and a 4 being least ... points for each of these 4 votes will score points as follows:

1st 13 points
2nd 10 points
3rd 6 points
4th 3 points

If you have an opponent who drops out without voting you will receive 8 points from that coach.

STAR PLAYERS

If two of the same stars show up for a game, neither star will play. Note STARs do not have positions
at all, so a Human team can have 4 Blitzers and Griff, or a Halfling team could have 2 Treemen and Deeproot.
The Star Players have new costs and team assignments for that must be used for the Chaos Cup:
-- Bomber Dribblesnot ??? Orc or Goblin ??? 80,000
-- Count Luthor von Drakenborg ... Human, Necromantic, Undead, or Vampire ... 350,000
-- Deathroller ??? Dwarf ??? 160,000
-- Deeproot Strongbranch ... Halfling or Wood Elf ... 250,000
-- Fungus the Loon ??? Orc or Goblin ??? 60,000
-- Grashnak Blackhoof ... Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, or Norse ... 320,000
-- Griff Oberwald ... Human ... 360,000
-- Grim Ironjaw ... Dwarf ... 220,000
-- Hakflem Skuttlespike ... Skaven ... 230,000
-- Headsplitter ... Skaven ... 350,000
-- Horkon Heartripper ??? Dark Elf ??? 120,000
-- Hthark the Unstoppable ... Chaos Dwarf ... 340,000
-- Jordell Freshbreeze ... Elf or Wood Elf ... 230,000
-- Lord Borak the Despoiler ... Chaos ... 250,000
-- Mighty Zug ... Human ... 180,000
-- Morg `N??? Thorg ... ANY team except Goblin and Halfling may take Morg `N??? Thorg ... 420,000
-- Nobbla Blackwort ??? Orc, Goblin, or Chaos ??? 80,000
-- Prince Moranion ... Elf or High Elf ... 190,000
-- Ramtut III ... Khemri, Necromantic, or Undead ... 360,000
-- `Ripper??? Bolgrot ... Orc, Goblin, or Chaos ... 200,000
-- Scrappa Sorehead ??? Orc, Goblin, or Chaos ??? 60,000
-- Silibili ... Lizardman ... 240,000
-- Thrud the Barbarian ... Any team may take Thrud ... 200,000
-- Varag Ghoul-Chewer ... Orc ... 250,000
-- Zara the Slayer ... Amazon, Dwarf, Norse, or Human ... 270,000

Clarification: Zara's Stakes will effect ANY player on a Khemri, Necromantic, Undead, or Vampire team.
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Thank you for participating in the 2004 Chaos Cup.

IMPORTANT!
Competitors are advised that from the moment of entry into the event the decisions of all Judges,
Referees and members of Games Workshop staff regarding the fair adjudication of the Tournament rules,
and all issues of health and safety, are final. No discussions will be entered into once a decision
is taken. This applies to rules adjudications, the scores applied for any category of the Tournament,
painting judging, and any issues that require the cooperation of the competitors. Once the Tournament
results are published, we cannot alter them in any way. Any breach of this will be considered a Red
Card offence at the Tournament.

If you have any questions regarding the event then please email: joe.krone@games-workshop.com with
Chaos Cup Tournament in the subject heading.

ENTRY TICKET
Tickets will be available for purchase the day of the tournament. The tournament will cost $10 and
unless players bring extra boards we will only have space for 40 players so make sure you arrive early.

THINGS YOU NEED TO BRING
??? Your Chaos Cup rules pack (these pages)
??? Your PAINTED team
??? Two copies of your team roster (one of these must be given to the Chaos Cup organizers when you register)
??? Blocking dice, D6 and D8 dice
??? Throw-in, Scatter and Pass templates
??? Turn Markers, Reroll Counters, and a game ball (painted).
??? A Blood Bowl pitch (if you want). We have 20 boards so unless some players bring boards we will
sell out the tournament at 40 players.
??? Pen & paper
??? Your NAF number (if you have one). This tournament is NAF sanctioned. If you want to join the NAF
BEFORE the tournament, go to http://www.bloodbowl.net
??? If possible as well, a Living Rule Book (LRB) 3.0 print-out or Blood Bowl Handbook

THE VENUE
The tournament will be held at Chicago Battle Bunker in 1524A Butterfield Rd, Downer???s Grove, Illinois, 60515
on November 6th. Phone Number: 630-426-0120
For more detailed information, go to http://www.adeptuswindycity.com for the event or email Joe Krone,
GW Midwest Promotions Manager at joe.krone@games-workshop.com


SCHEDULE
9.00am-10.00am Entry and Registration
10.00am-Noon Game 1
Noon-1.00pm Lunch Break
1.00pm-3.00pm Game 2
3.00pm-3.30pm Break
3.30pm-5.30pm Game 3
5:30pm-6:30pm Supper Break
6:30pm-8:30pm Game 4
8:30pm-9:15pm Break/Calculate Final Standings
9:15pm-9:45pm Awards/Wrap-Up

Please be on time for registration, you HAVE to be ready to begin by 10am, NO LATER! As you can see the
timetable is quite tight so I would ask that you play at a brisk pace. If your opponent is taking a long
time for his turn then remind him that the four minute rule is in play. The schedule is subject to change
if the event organisers need to.

FORMAT
The Tournament is played over just Saturday. You will participate in a series of four games. After each
game you will play against a different opponent. In the first round, players will be matched randomly
against an opponent. After that, in each round the two players in 1st and 2nd place (based on their
points for coaching) will play each other, the players in 3rd and 4th place will play each other,
the players in 5th and 6th place will play each other, and so on. The only exception is that you can
never play the same opponent twice; should this happen a referee will step in and sort things out so
that the players face fresh opponents of a suitable calibre. This usually means moving you either up
or down the tables to swap you around - it isn't THAT critical as to exactly which table you're on,
as long as you play a relatively well-matched opponent. Once your opponent has been determined you
will be assigned a table. The event organisers will provide no other games equipment and the players
must provide all other materials. You must bring along a copy of the Blood Bowl rules, as well as
copies of any material you will be using so that your opponent can check any special rules and
characteristics that apply to your team.

To keep on schedule, we would appreciate it if you could play at quite a brisk pace with no time wasting please!

Each player has a special results card. Once you've finished your game, you must fill in the card and
then hand it in at the information desk. It is important you fill all the information in as this will
decide your ranking and ultimately the winner of the Tournament. Your results will then be entered into
the tournament database.

THE AWARDS
As well as the Blood Bowl winner, 2nd and 3rd place, other prizes will be awarded for Best Sportsman,
Best Painted Team, Most Touchdowns, Fewest Touchdowns Allowed, and Most Casualties Caused.

THE TOURNAMENT RULES
The rules from the latest edition of the Living Rulebook (available free from www.BloodBowl.com) are
to be used unless specifically stated below.

Only the official teams as of the 2003 rules review AND the Ogre and Vampire teams may be entered.
To clarify so there is no doubt these are: Human, Orc, Dwarf, High Elf, Skaven, Dark Elf, Chaos,
Undead, Chaos Dwarf, Goblin, Halfling, Wood Elf, Norse, Lizardman, Khemri, Nurgle, Necromantic, Elf and Amazon.
With Ogres and Vampires allowed as well.

No other teams are allowed. Teams must be written out on the official Blood Bowl team roster pad or
through any of the numerous software programs available for team sheet creation. You must bring two copies,
give one to the officials at registration and keep the other for your own reference.

Make sure your team is correct as team rosters will be checked. Any mistakes found after registration
(even if not deliberate) will result in that player getting a yellow card.

REFEREES
The primary purpose of our Tournament is to get together for the day, so that we can play our favourite
game and meet other players who share our interests. Finding 'champion players' of our games is a
by-product of this, and we're really much more interested in creating a quality gaming experience for
all the people that take part, where they get to play lots of games and meet a whole bunch of new players.

This being said we do understand that sometimes even the friendliest of players can lose their cool,
especially if the dice have been going against them all day. The most common causes of friction in a
game are questions about the rules of the game. Rules questions arise in most games of Blood Bowl,
both because the huge number of variables involved in the game make it just about impossible for the
rulebook to cover every situation that might occur, and because different people interpret the rules
in different ways. In order to avoid arguments we recommend that you refer to the appropriate rulebook
as soon as a question arises. If the rules do not cover the situation, then roll a dice to decide what
happens. In other words, a friendly dice roll should decide any question that cannot be answered by
referring to the rules.

Please note that there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking an opponent if they can show you the
appropriate rule or set of characteristics so that you can check for yourself that everything is being
done correctly. All we require is that you ask nicely and politely, and that you do your best to sort
out any problems yourselves!

If you really want a Referee to sort out a rules question, then you are free to call one over, and our
Referees may intervene if they see an argument. Be warned, however, that our Referees are under strict
instructions to give players one of two answers to any question they are asked:

1. They will show you the rule in its relevant place in the rulebook.

2. To roll a D6 to sort out any rules problems not solved by the above. You should also note that the
prime duty of our Referees is to make sure that the majority of players in the tournament get a nice
friendly game where winning is secondary to having a good time. Anyone who keeps on spoiling a game with
picky rules questions or who consistently bends the rules in their favour will be asked to desist or
suffer the consequences.

Referees will have a simple card system to adjudicate this kind of ruling:

YELLOW: A Yellow Card will be shown to the player(s) and their player number and name logged. In addition,
50 points will be taken from a booked player's Tournament totals.

RED: A Red Card will be shown to the player(s) and their player number and name logged. In addition,
100 points will be taken from a booked player's Tournament totals.

The decision of the Chief Referee is final, and no discussion will be entered into. Arguing with the
Chief Referee following a decision will be a RED CARD offence

The vault sneaking into GW tournaments. That's one more tournament i certainly won't attend. Not that i'd want to attend a one-day tournament anyway...

And Zombie ... just for the record the above isn't the Vault slipping into GW tournaments ... those items above were changes that were coming to the LRB 4.0 WAY before the Vault was ever even a suggestion.

it looks like you put a lot of thought into this one! I will see what I can do about attending!

Those rules the Chaos Cup is using should look familar to some tournament players.

I think they're giving a few too many points for it though.

There is an additional 12 free points from sportsmanship as everyone gets that many.

What i see here is that Brian likes to give more weight to bonuses and less to sportsmanship and painting.

Only the official teams as of the 2003 rules review AND the Ogre and Vampire teams may be entered.
To clarify so there is no doubt these are: Human, Orc, Dwarf, High Elf, Skaven, Dark Elf, Chaos,
Undead, Chaos Dwarf, Goblin, Halfling, Wood Elf, Norse, Lizardman, Khemri, Nurgle, Elf and Amazon.
With Ogres and Vampires allowed as well.

Nurgle's Rotters and the Necro team are official teams as well, correct? Is this just an oversight, or are they really not allowing them?

Since my Death Bowl plans got squashed I may try and fly out for this. It would really suck to fly there and not be able to play though...

But if that isn't the most buried listing I've ever seen. I thought something on the main page would announce it ... but no luck ... oh well.

My Flings might actually bring home a major trophy ...

Galak

well i'm staying at the redroof inn

I hope the turnout is good. At least 20 teams I'm hoping.

No chairs, no coins, how about doughnuts?

If its 20 ... we really are going to try to get the Chaos Cup moved to GenCon. I'd like to see 30+ teams before I considered it a decent turnout. We'll see. I'd like to see this tournament succeed ... really.

Galak

As far as moving to gencon, selfishly i'd like it to stay in chicago, but I totally understand if you can get the turnout in Indy. My boys would probably make the trip. I haven't been to Gencon since it moved out of milwaukee yet.

Jon

Very cool! I love the old school treeman. Halflings are great fun to play.

Yeah it a lot of fun being one of the only coaches in the world who brings Halflings to a tournament and expects to win.

Galak

you obviously havent been playing against Gregg Giersch

he should be at CC also

Best way to solve that problem with overall winners, is to make a seperate award.

Overall Tournament winner and Best Coach. Tournament winner only takes in account of just the game stats, Best Coach takes care of all the stats combined.

Galak, even if it's less than before, that's still too many bonus points, as can clearly be seen by the final result. I agree with jpeletis, in that people should only be ranked by their records, with TDs, CAS and sportsmanship used only as tie breakers.

Is no one going to post the number of coaches that attended?

As for sportsmanship ... yeah Dean ... I see how you suggest that could happen. But to be honest the type of coach that would be willing to do that probably won't be getting many sportsmanship points from his other 3 games as that type of attitude tends to bleed through your playing style.

That said ... it was a good time ... it ran a lot better than I hoped.

5) Sportsmanship will be revised to this if GenCon was still 4 games like the Chaos Cup was:
1st: 17 points
2nd: 13 points
3rd: 9 points
4th: 5 points
Your highest and lowest rankings will be halved and rounded up for total sportsmanship.
So the current system without this change would have a maximum of 52 and a minimum of 12 for 4 games. This would have a maximum of 52 and a minimum 16 for 4 games.

This is removes some error if a coach gets nailed hard by one weird result. A coach in the old method with 3 1sts and a 4th would get 42 points. With this sytem he would get 46 points. Without ignoring results you cannot totally fix this possible issue that Dean mentioned ... but this reduces its effect quite a bit ... costing that coach no more than 6 points as compared to 10 in the old system.

I think Chaos cup was 13, 10, 6, 3

Best way to solve that problem with overall winners, is to make a seperate award.

Overall Tournament winner and Best Coach. Tournament winner only takes in account of just the game stats, Best Coach takes care of all the stats combined.

Seen that be used in many Tourneys over here.

and crucical allowing b*st*rds with unpainted teams compete.

and to be honest ... this was the part of the system that has always made me cringe. Because I know the point system I'm using was designed to specifically not allow these folks to win or at least make it more difficult.

Galak

Great display of sportsmanship you two! It's great to see and I'm glad to have such great players in the US...

And Ken - we gotta do some shopping for you, my friend! All your champions pictures are in the same shirt... or, maybe that's your LUCKY shirt...

Been there, tried that .... had 6 coaches drop out of the tournament after the 1st round because they lost their first game which made it mathematically impossible for them to compete for gold ring.

So I'll just say I agree and disagree with your opinion Zombie. In a perfect world yeah ... its a great idea. But BB coaches are not perfect people so the point system has to make it very difficult to catch up for a loss but possible. Just my personal belief on the matter. Otherwise, the non-die hards find better things to do with the rest of their day.

I didn't like the idea of putting the new guy down as number 4 because he is just getting into the game, he was a nice opponent, but the game wasn't as good as the other 3, but i don't want to discourge him from future games.

I didn't like the idea of putting the new guy down as number 4 because he is just getting into the game.

Thank, Rob! Just saw where Tom had posted it... such an in-between number - I had thought 30+ would mean relative success, below 20 demonstration of failure... still, when I see 40 or so in Canada - with the effort that was made to entertain and enjoy - it's clear that someone in the US has some work to do...

1 I'd rather not play again

absent wrote:
I didn't like the idea of putting the new guy down as number 4 because he is just getting into the game

I don't mind teaching someone to play, but not at a timed tournament

isn't this game supposed to be fun

Yikes, this doesn't look good... why do you guys suppose there was such a (relatively) low turnout?

The better the game, the more fun it is, I assumed thats I should vote for who I had the most fun against. If I have to hold my opponents hand and point out 2 die blocks for him every turn to get through the turn... eh...I don't mind teaching someone to play, but not at a timed tournament.

Jim the spammer

Everyone is jumping around like this was some disastorous failure,!

We in the US don't have the population density of BB players as they do in europe, hardly our fault.

I say yes to more advertisment, yes to 2 day tournaments, yes to whatever will make the tournaments larger, but NO to this was some kinda failure.

5) Joe is working on starting a Battle Bunker Blood Bowl league ... if that takes hold that will be an excellent source for players and word of mouth to build on for that tournament.

And the upper midwest doesn't really have that many BBers. It's a moot point anyway, I do agree that everything possible should be done to increase the number of people participating at the tournament, short of moving the tournament to a different region. I think we're just arguing for fun here But I think how this tournament is being judged here is all wrong, It wasn't some disaster, it was FUN, and since it was fun we should work on expanding it for next time.

Solutions as I see them

1) We have to convince Joe to try a 2 day tournament again. I consider most of the 21 folks that didn't show up to be voting for 2 days. If a 2 day event doesn't generate interest next year ... I'd back down ... but I think its important to pull in the out of towners.

2) GW or NAF or I reserve the domain ChaosCup.com and use it to post results, rules, and information on the tournament. I'll more than happy post a link straight to it off my main page of bloodbowl.net which will help inform everyone. In addition, this site could list nearby inexpensive hotels to help folks see that its not that expensive to stay overnight.

3) GW needs to make sure that Fanatic Mag (even if its online) has a full page/half page ad to announce the event. It needs an ad in White Dwarf to run, and its needs to make sure there is an online presense to advertise the tournament.

4) If the NAF has all 4 (5 if you add on in OZ) majors be the same for K value, this will help give the world legit reasons to take the effort to attend the majors. There are several NAF members that are willing get the Chaos Cup a breathing functional tournament. But the NAF lending it some street cred would sure as heck help. Right now if I've got to choose between GenCon and the Chaos Cup ... its a slam dunk if I'm buying a plane ticket because the GenCon tournament will be more games, more folks, and count more for my NAF ranking. I'm willing to work with Joe on more games, but I need the NAF to equal up the majors to give the Cup some more reasons for folks to come. If we can get folks through the doors, we can make it a good tournament.

5) Joe is working on starting a Battle Bunker Blood Bowl league ... if that takes hold that will be an excellent source for players and word of mouth to build on for that tournament.

Galak

moral- Leave it in chicago, make it two days, do all the advertisment, we'll tell everyone how fun it was and pester them to go next year, you ALL fly in, we have a big ole tourney. fine.

What no comment on the Vegas idea?

man i'd go to vegas ;]

prolly save up and quit my job and stay till i'm broke heh

i hope that wasn't me ;]

Flying for tourneys is fun and all, but running an event isn't a competition. We shouldn't be competing with each other for people. I am a little worried that this sort of talk is going to discourage people from running there own tournaments. I am really glad there are high calibre tournaments out there, but if the NAF isn't getting its members to run smaller regional events then we are failing.

. I am really glad there are high calibre tournaments out there, but if the NAF isn't getting its members to run smaller regional events then we are failing.

Can you please explain what you mean by this?

Brian posts anymore in the realm of pure sacrasm unless he's posting on BBC. So yes that is the correct way to read Carnage4u's post.

Galak