I don't think you can use Prehensile Tail with DT, as PTail doesn't work while Prone.
Ah, then maybe I was reading the skill describtion wrong, as it says place the player prone then the dodger takes the -2 from the dodge roll.
Darkson wrote:
Ah, then maybe I was reading the skill describtion wrong, as it says place the player prone then the dodger takes the -2 from the dodge roll.
Actually, this was a Really Boring Argument I had on TBB with Galak about a year ago. There is a timing hole somewhere in the way DT is currently worded (especially when it interacts with the oppo using a reroll).
Here's a for-example. If a player is dodging through your TZ (from one to another), it is a straight AG roll (+1 for the dodge, -1 for the TZ). If you use diving tackle, it becomes -2, because the TZ penalty still applies. Furthermore, if the opponent fails the roll and uses dodge, he still has to roll at -2, even though you're prone now, not exerting a TZ, and not even really forcing him to dodge.
In a similar way, you should be able to use PT with DT for a cumulative -3.
At the end of our long (and boring) soapboxy argument, Galak agreed to add something to the Hotlist on the order of changing the wording of DT so the player goes prone after the dodge attempt is resolved. But he didn't.
In the old days, you couldn't have two modifiers stack, which is why Strong Arm and Accurate are different but similar. Nowadays, they could be the same, because the only restriction is stacking mods to armor and injury rolls (as has been pointed out).
I always understood it as a last-ditch diving grasp, which was why you were going prone.
If I'm wrong, that's fine, I just had the timing all wrong.
Here's a for-example. If a player is dodging through your TZ (from one to another), it is a straight AG roll (+1 for the dodge, -1 for the TZ). If you use diving tackle, it becomes -2, because the TZ penalty still applies. Furthermore, if the opponent fails the roll and uses dodge, he still has to roll at -2, even though you're prone now, not exerting a TZ, and not even really forcing him to dodge.
Zombie is right! A reroll is almost like going back in time. Thats why its called a RERoll. If it were a second chane that took place after the initial roll, I guess they woulda called it a SECONDRoll.