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SuM - Jun 27, 2005 - 03:48 PM
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I did a search on this and couldn't find a thread on it.

Dump Off happens on the other coach's turn, same with Pass Block.

Hypothetically:
My player is Blitzing, and the player with the ball has Dump Off, he plans the Dump Off and I have a player near by with Pass Block.
Can the dump Off be intercepted?

snew - Jun 27, 2005 - 05:45 PM
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Since a Dump-off isn't a pass action I'd say no. I wouldn't award SPPs for it either. Your passblocker isn't expecting a pass, he's probably watching to retreive the scattered ball after the thrower gets splatted.

Doubleskulls - Jun 27, 2005 - 09:47 PM
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I think I'm right in saying that you can Pass Block a dump off - but not with the blitzing/blocking player.

Fraggel-Chris - Jun 28, 2005 - 02:01 AM
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As Dump-Off is a (special) pass - I would say Yes.
Every pass you can intercept you con also pass block.

Pass Block would be the counter-counter-attack of the counter-attack Dump-off of the blitz.

SuM - Jun 28, 2005 - 06:01 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote:

I think I'm right in saying that you can Pass Block a dump off - but not with the blitzing/blocking player.

Ohhhhh right I know that. The Blitz is an Action and using the Pass Block skill to make the Interception is an action. By the LRB a player can only do one action per turn.

I reviewed the Dump Off again. and it does say, all normal Passing Rules apply.

Melifaxis - Jun 28, 2005 - 06:58 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote:

I think I'm right in saying that you can Pass Block a dump off - but not with the blitzing/blocking player.

That's my recollection as well. I think it was in a Q&A at one point

snew - Jun 28, 2005 - 11:38 AM
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I wish I could download the Q&A and see if this is in there. It just doesn't feel right to me.

BTW the passblock isn't an action. For the record, I wouldn't call the dump-off an action either as it's happening during the opponent's turn.

GalakStarscraper - Jun 28, 2005 - 11:54 AM
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You can Pass Block a Dump-Off as long as you do so without the player beforing the block/bliz causing the Dump Off.

Also you can get interception SPPs from a Dump Off and if the Dump Off is accurate you can get completion SPPs as well.

Galak

snew - Jun 28, 2005 - 12:16 PM
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Okay. If you say so. Is that written down anywhere? You might want it to be even though I'm the only person here who wouldn't call it that way looking at the skill descriptions.

bampf - Jun 28, 2005 - 12:24 PM
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You can pass block all you want Summy. You still won t be able to stop my offense. Keep scheming though. Glad to see you re so concerned but what you should be worried about is what I m gonna do with the 500K in inducements!

For those who are curious...

Our league-
http://www.bampf.com/store/bloodbowl3/MainMenu.asp

SuM s team-
http://www.bampf.com/store/bloodbowl3/roster.asp?id=2

My team-
http://www.bampf.com/store/bloodbowl3/roster.asp?id=35

SuM - Jun 28, 2005 - 12:54 PM
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My team isn't worried about what you are gonna do with all them inducements.

They are more concerned and worried about what your Girlie Elfs are gonna be wearing and what they will be wearing to look better.
HA!!

Yes, coaches we both use the Shadow Forge Female Elf Team.

Spazzfist - Jun 28, 2005 - 06:49 PM
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Personally the who argument sounds a bit lawyer-ish to me. Whether or not the dump off is an "action" or not....

To my mind the dump off is a pass. 'Cuz it just is.

Pass block is used when a player passes.

So common sense says that you can use it.

And for the record I would award SPPs for it too.

Spazz

GalakStarscraper - Jun 28, 2005 - 08:46 PM
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snotsngrots wrote:

Okay. If you say so. Is that written down anywhere? You might want it to be even though I'm the only person here who wouldn't call it that way looking at the skill descriptions.

Dump Off says it follows all the rules for a normal pass which means interceptions, pass block working, and completion SPPs.

The FAQ already says for LRB 4.0 that you can Pass Block a Dump Off (and I do know you said you didn't have the FAQs in front of you ... but it is already in there). So if Pass Block works ... the interception and completion SPPs come in by default.

Galak

Darkson - Jun 29, 2005 - 12:48 PM
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SuM wrote:

using the Pass Block skill to make the Interception is an action.

No it's not.
PB is not an action, so I'd assume that a PB player (that hasn't already been that turn) the pass blocks a Dump-off and still take his action for the turn.

SuM - Jun 30, 2005 - 11:24 AM
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Is there any Clarification on Dump Off anywhere?

- or -

Maybe we take this to the GW Blood Bowl Forum?

snew - Jun 30, 2005 - 11:31 AM
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Take it anywhere you like. It's not an action.

Now, since it's out of sequence, it does usually happen during your opponent's turn after-all, and it's not that players action, if the player who made the passblock actually intercepted the ball and hadn't performed an action yet he could still make an action later in the same turn (move, pass, handoff, block...).

SuM - Jun 30, 2005 - 11:44 AM
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Here is the LRB cropped skill acticle.

SuM - Jul 01, 2005 - 05:47 AM
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Lets go just a tad deeper...
This just dawned on me... heheheheeeee.

Your player is Blitzing -

The other Team's player is using the Dump Off skill -

Your team has a player in position to move 3 spaces and attempt an Interception, by using the Pass Block skill -

The other team's player that is Dumping Off, also has the Safe Pass Skill -
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

P.S. (Sorry, I'm not trying to keep this discussion going to make coaches mad, but I just want to know in case it ever rears it's ugly face in a match.)

snew - Jul 01, 2005 - 08:29 AM
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Gee. I'm glad you and Galak have spoken. God knows the rest of us can't do anything without you. What are you talking about Ian? We're just hammering out semantics now. If you want to join in, feel free. Your little comment just made no sense in the middle of the discussion we're having now.

edited to make sense. it was early when I posted

GalakStarscraper - Jul 01, 2005 - 10:08 AM
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snotsngrots wrote:

This is fully correct. Its almost the same as being thrown with TTM. The player even though he has moved can still fully take an action as the movement was not considered an action.

The reason that Pass Block and everything works against Dump Off is because Dump Off really means it when it says it using the normal Passing rules ... so you get the whole nine yards with it.

Galak