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Rules Questions - Kick-off question...

NodrogN - Apr 03, 2003 - 07:43 AM
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I was wondering if you can use a re-roll to pick up/catch the ball on the kick-off. Thanks for your response...

Good gaming to you...

GORDON

snew - Apr 03, 2003 - 07:53 AM
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Well, seeing as how you pick it up or catch it douring your own team turn, the answer is yes.

skummy - Apr 03, 2003 - 08:09 AM
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P. 7 of the LRB has the rules on that. The kickoff is actually before a team turn starts. If the ball goes directly to a player and they get a chance to catch it, they can't use a reroll because it's not yet their team turn.

Puckohue - Apr 03, 2003 - 08:23 AM
Post subject: Re: Kick-off question...

NodrogN wrote:

I was wondering if you can use a re-roll to pick up/catch the ball on the kick-off.

Am I right in thinking it could only be a catch and not a pick up? Surely a pick up occurs when the player moves into the square containing the ball, and a catch occurs when the ball lands in or bounces into the square where the player is standing?

skummy - Apr 03, 2003 - 08:45 AM
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Yes, it would be just like catching an inaccurate ball.

Agentrock - Apr 03, 2003 - 09:43 AM
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skummy wrote:

I understand the team re-roll not being used since it isn't the team's turn yet...but what about player skills like Pro or Catch? Would they be allowed to help grab the ball during the kick off?

skummy - Apr 03, 2003 - 09:44 AM
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Sure, you can use skills when it's not your turn. The same game mechanic lets you reroll an interception if you have the Catch skill.

KarlLindemann - Apr 04, 2003 - 03:49 PM
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On a blitz can you pick up the ball? I have been told the the ball is 'in the air' so you cant get it yet but i was jus wonderin? sorry to get off subject

Mordredd - Apr 04, 2003 - 04:05 PM
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The league I played in a few years ago played it so you could grab the ball on a blitz (damn those 1 turn TD gutter runners).
In my current league the ball lands at the end of the blitz turn, but before the start of the receiving teams turn. This means that you can position a player under the ball and catch it before he gets a chance to move.

snew - Apr 04, 2003 - 05:40 PM
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The ball is in the air till the end of the kick-off sequence. Off the top of my head, the sequence goes like this:

1. Kicking team sets up
2. Receiving team sets up
3. Place ball
4. Scatter ball
5. Roll on kickoff table and resolve results. (this is where the Blitz would take place)
6. Ball lands, if it happens to land on a player he gets an opportunity to catch it. If it lands in an empty square it will bounce once.

So, to answer your question, NO! you cannot pick up the ball during a Blitz. All you can hope to do is position a player in the square where the ball is going to land since you already know where that is. You just better be ready to have him hit, surrounded with tackle zones and assists or he's going to be a sitting duck.

SBG - Apr 05, 2003 - 11:44 AM
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Isn't it between the ball scatters and the bounce that the kick-off isd resolved ?

We play like that anyway : ball scatters d8 and d6, Blitz (so you can pick it up) then bounce. It's as if the scatter is a rolling ball instead of being mid-air.

Doesn't happen often though.

Fred

Agentrock - Apr 07, 2003 - 01:31 PM
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Here are the rules from the LBR:
"After both teams have set up follow this sequence in the order given; place the ball on the pitch, roll on the Kick-Off table, scatter ball, resolve Kick-Off results, bounce ball."

I guess it depends on your interpretation of the rules, but in our league we see it as the ball is actuallt scattered during the "scatter phase" and this is where the ball lands after the kick...then kick-off results are worked out...then if no one effects the ball's initial point of contact it bounces once.

snew - Apr 07, 2003 - 02:31 PM
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The scatter shows the direction the ball is going. You can tell where it's going to land. The ball is still, theoretically, in the air during the kick-off resolution. It lands and bounces after you work out the results on the Kick-off table. If it didn't, you'd just bounce it before you resolved the Kick-off results.

Agentrock - Apr 07, 2003 - 02:34 PM
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So with that interpretation, you can possibly get a players or two to the point where the ball is "going to land" and then make a catch roll when it finally comes down (before the bounce)...right?

SBG - Apr 07, 2003 - 04:20 PM
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This is another way we could interpret it. But I still think that the ball has just landed, since your blitz occurs in the meantime

------------------
/ ---Blitz-------->| X
Kick, X ---------------------Landing, player can pick up, Bouncing

It's the best I can draw my thoughts !! Laughing

Longshot - Apr 07, 2003 - 04:45 PM
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no RR exept skills
Concordia, you cant pick up, the ball is in the air! only catch.

But can you use a TRR on a blitz? This is a free Turn so you should,no?

Agentrock - Apr 07, 2003 - 05:14 PM
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I agree with you on that, the LBR lists a Blitz as:
"Blitz! The kicking team gets a bonus team turn and may move before the receiving team. The bonus turn does not count against the kicking team???s turn limit for the half, so their coach does not have to move the Turn marker along a space, and he cannot be called for illegal procedure for failing to move the Turn marker."

Since it is a bonus "team turn" you are able to use team rerolls during the blitz drive.

Madzit - Apr 07, 2003 - 06:51 PM
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I seem to remember that in older versions of the game, it specifically stated that the ball did not land until after the kick off was resolved. This meant that a team that Blitzed could indeed get a player to where the ball was going to land, and then catch it.

The LRB isn't so clear on this one, so it might be something for the review?

GalakStarscraper - Apr 07, 2003 - 07:05 PM
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Concordia wrote:

I need to add it to the list for text clean up. But I can 100% say that the ball does not fall from the sky until AFTER resolution of the kickoff result.

Galak

KarlLindemann - Apr 08, 2003 - 09:35 PM
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ah most exelent indeed thank Very Happy

you sorry for sidetracking

Gattolardo - Apr 09, 2003 - 01:02 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

I need to add it to the list for text clean up. But I can 100% say that the ball does not fall from the sky until AFTER resolution of the kickoff result.

Galak

....in the face of all those @#!§##@ blitzin' long legged gutter runners... Razz

Darkson - Apr 18, 2003 - 12:31 AM
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Longshot wrote:

But can you use a TRR on a blitz? This is a free Turn so you should,no?

Yep, TRR are allowed. Blitz (and OT) are the reasons for having more than 8 TRRs (oh, and 'Fling chefs -grrrr!)