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House Rules - Secret Weapons
Melifaxis - Feb 14, 2003 - 08:50 PM
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What did you think of the Secret Weapon rules in BBM#5?
Kind of makes me want to play a goblin team again
Jmac - Feb 16, 2003 - 11:56 AM
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I think those rules are long overdue. Especialy since the star players that come with secret weapons cannot advance at all. Now your normal players may have secret weapons and advance with SPP
Darkson - Feb 16, 2003 - 01:05 PM
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Think their useless, unbalanced and over-powered. 
There again, I am a Norse coach so I don't have access to them, so don't want to see anyone else have them either 
Squiggoth - Feb 17, 2003 - 04:38 AM
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I think the rules are sweet, and Norse should have access to erm... hidden longboats!
Makes me want to build some more chainsaw wielding gobbos
Indigo - Feb 17, 2003 - 06:23 AM
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I like 'em - we are using them in our upcoming league and they are long overdue. Gives us all a chance to use the wacky conversions we've made over the years!
Dave - Feb 17, 2003 - 03:15 PM
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I like them
Should change a bit for Dwarves who should not be able to get an Ogre
CHAINSAW FOR NORSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darkson - Feb 17, 2003 - 03:28 PM
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Dave wrote:
CHAINSAW FOR NORSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hear, hear.
Always good to see well-thought out arguements
Squiggoth - Feb 18, 2003 - 02:24 AM
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LOL 
Oh, and it's Skaven who shouldn't be allowed to get Ogres... I mean, come on... They make their own furry feral Ogres!
Indigo - Feb 18, 2003 - 03:59 AM
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errr...skaven can't have Ogres, only Rat Ogres?!?
Squiggoth - Feb 18, 2003 - 05:11 AM
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As far as I know Ogres play for ANY team (although you can't call the Skaven a team as they're just a bunch of furry, smelly, chittering rodents... )
Grumbledook - Feb 18, 2003 - 07:29 AM
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that was the rules when 3rd edition first came out, morgs star player card said any team on it. Its since been changed though.
spindex - Feb 18, 2003 - 11:10 AM
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HMM here is my take on it . I like the secret weapons BUT I can sees useing this rule in the game unless every team has access to at least one weapon otherwise not very fair.
spindex 
Dave - Feb 18, 2003 - 12:29 PM
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why should it be fair
(had this discussion over and over again by now)
Isn't it much more fun to win with an 'underrated' team ??
dave
Shortarse - Mar 23, 2003 - 01:15 PM
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Any ideas if the Secret Weapon rules in BBM#5 will be made official and included in the LRB anytime soon?
Dave - Mar 23, 2003 - 02:05 PM
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Never before the next Rules Revieuw, next october or something.
GalakStarscraper - Mar 23, 2003 - 03:55 PM
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Secret Weapon rules will be in Season 3 of the MBBL, Darkson. And Norse will get a Chainsaw (I've already discussed revising the rules with JKL).
Also the Goblin team will be allowed one random secret weapon at the beginning of every game and be allowed to have four total on the team at one time and field as many as they want at once.
The Amazons will be a Chainsaw and maybe a Poisoned Dagger option (considering that my ex-wife was a backstabber ... seemed appropriate)
Poisoned Dagger for Chaos Dwarf team also.
Cheaper Deathroller also I think and removing the Ogre from the Dwarf team. .... need to talk this one through some more.
Any way over the next month I'll get the Secret Weapon rules that the MBBL will be testing and the BBRC rubber stamps posted to the website.
Galak
Darkson - Mar 23, 2003 - 05:33 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
Secret Weapon rules will be in Season 3 of the MBBL, Darkson.
And my vamps can have?
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And Norse will get a Chainsaw
ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!! In the league I don't play Norse 
(and no, I don't want to finish the vamps )
Dave - Mar 24, 2003 - 01:49 PM
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pleeese no chainsaw for amazones.
They are okay as they go
No probs with a Poisoned Dagger but No chainsaw pleeeese
AnthonyTBBF - Mar 24, 2003 - 02:11 PM
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I agree, chainsaws seem out of character for Amazons.
Shortarse - Mar 24, 2003 - 04:35 PM
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One would prefer Blowpipes perhaps?
Darkson - Mar 24, 2003 - 08:27 PM
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'Zons should get lasguns.
(Oops, wrong game, I thought we wre talking Mordheim here)
Dave - Mar 25, 2003 - 06:40 AM
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lasguns seem allright
dwarfcoach - May 09, 2003 - 05:50 AM
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Hmm, blowpipes much better, for Lizardman teams (skinks only) as well....
jmccubbin - May 09, 2003 - 06:06 AM
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No weapons except star players that way they are rare. History of blood bowl says "no weapons were allowed in the arena" So if we start adding weapons we defeat the origional idea of "Nuffle". sure weapons are fun, but the last thing I want to see is teams built around the weapon, takes me back to the teams build around the foul play.
If you add that a team that fields a weapon automatically has the eye on them, then perhaps it's not so bad.
Keep the weapons to star players only. My opinion.
Dave - May 09, 2003 - 07:12 AM
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No weapons allowed but then ... they aren't called 'Secret Weapons' for notheing..
skummy - May 09, 2003 - 07:22 AM
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Why not make it so you can only freeboot secret weapons? They'd stay rare if the price per freeboot is above 20,000 GP.
jmccubbin - May 09, 2003 - 07:40 AM
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Freeboot yes, permanent no.
Mordredd - May 09, 2003 - 12:02 PM
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Your BB history is faulty. Secret weapons are against the rules, although Dwarfs say otherwise as they like to think they invented the game. And many teams (Gobbos) and the fans don't care that weapons are banned.
Freebooting weapons seems illogical, big rich teams could easily by them. Perhaps, if you really want to limit them like that, the weapon should be lost (i.e. confiscated by the ref.) if the player is sent off during a match? So if your deathroller is sent off you would have to buy a new one if you wanted to use it again. It would make them very expensive.
If you want rarity perhaps you should make coaches roll for availability, like with Mordheim or Necromunder rare items, after each game. Coach gets one roll to see if he can find a weapon, must roll over rarity number to find it.
jmccubbin - May 09, 2003 - 01:10 PM
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If they put limitations other than money for secret weapons I have no problem with it, or if they put extra penalties for weapons. I just don't want a game full of weapons. It's like a game full of fouls in which the point is to kill again rather than play BB where one can happen to get killed.
Orcs play a rough game and enjoy the blocks. Elves play a finese game and ejoy the score. Orcs can play to beat up players, but they do it with blocks. I expect Orcs to be physical, but why do they need 10 weapons to do so. Perhaps a max #of weapons per team.
skummy - May 09, 2003 - 01:17 PM
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All the rules I've seen have set a max of one weapon per team, except for Dwarves and Goblins.
Melifaxis - May 09, 2003 - 02:36 PM
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Same here...
Mordredd - May 12, 2003 - 04:17 AM
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Yeah, me too.
And even in the days when you could hire 4 stars with secret weapons for your team, permanently (well until they got killed ) weapons were never really a problem.
dwarfcoach - May 12, 2003 - 03:31 PM
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I thought I read that you can buy secret weapons for 2 or more players but can only smuggle one onto the pitch each time you set up...
(This may actually have been an hallucination, so please correct me if I'm wrong)
If this is correct I think it is cool but that you should need to make a roll to see if it is permanantly confiscated at the end of the match.
I also think that if these rules count then the Gobbos should be able to smuggle on 4 weapons on the pitch, you would occassionally get a rock hard team of Greenskins. (Well until it started to annoy people and a team spent the first half of a match beating them senseless.......