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Rules Questions - Wild Animal
CoachBlackBear - Jul 02, 2003 - 09:27 AM
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In our league, there exists a house rule to wild animal, because the LRB has been interpreted as the WA has to bloch the NEAREST player ALWAYS, even if this is is a TEAM-MATE.
First, I am the newest coach, so my say is light, but if I can get a ruling on this heavy forum, then perhaps the STANARD rules could be put in play. in our league too. I think that would be good, since our board-game games and the internet ones come to be played by different rules.
The way I interpret the LRB, page 26, is that the WA has to block or blitz ONLY if they are ADJACENT (i.e. next to) an OPPOSING player. Otherwise they MUST GO FIRST, but need then NOT blitz, but can actually be used for something creative, like just moving, running with the ball, or standing still.
What is right, what is wrong?
Indigo - Jul 02, 2003 - 09:36 AM
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Point 2 first - correct, if they are not ADJACENT to a play they do not need block.
Point 1 - they do not need to block a team mate, it's in the rules pg. 26. Making it so they DO have to block makes a wild animal even more of a risky proposition to take and unbalances it too much.
In short, you are absolutley right and your league is making the Wild Animal skill too unfair to Rat Ogres & Minotaurs.
jmccubbin - Jul 02, 2003 - 09:53 AM
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I agree with Indigo.
If it were the way your league plays it, you couldn't pay me enough to play a Rat Ogre. The WA is bad enough as it is, let alone I MUST blitz or block one of my teammates if they are closer than my opponet.
It's WA, not Wild Animal who gets easily confused.
Also if your WA is down at the start of the turn, they do not have to blitz adjancent opponets as it says if a WA is 'STANDING' at the beginning of their move.
Doubleskulls - Jul 02, 2003 - 10:16 AM
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Things to remember
1) WA must go first. Always. Failure to go 1st is an IP - and then you must stop your current action and move the WA or its another IP and a turnover(so no burning a TRR to move later in the turn).
2) You have to block or blitz if you are standing next to an opponent at the start of your action. You must do this (i.e. it isn't an IP not to block, you just have to).
In general this makes WA a liability until they get Block and they only become a positive factor in the team with Pro and/or Leader (which can be used on Big Guys).
SBG - Jul 02, 2003 - 12:34 PM
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I think that the coaches in your league must understand that WA played the way they play it is totally unfair.
I would never play with a WA in your league!
If this is a "friend" league, they should understand and change the ruling. If they're not your friends and they won't change the rule, can't you just change league?
Fred
CoachBlackBear - Jul 02, 2003 - 03:01 PM
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Thanks for all your valuable replies. What I did not tell you, is WHAT the house rule is. It says that:
"Wild animal: Roll 1d6 first. If a one is rolled, blitz or block closest player. If a one is not rolled, the player may be used later this turn. No assists are permitted. If the roll is forgotten, an illegal procedure may be declared. ".
Second, yes, these guys are my friends, but since I am the newest... but this is not such a big thing for me, I just want to make our league simpler and better, in this case by using what I think the already fine LRB rule. I think you guys are contributing to that end! Thanks. 
Darkson - Jul 02, 2003 - 03:03 PM
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I may be wrong, but isn't this the 3rd ed version of WA?
CoachBlackBear - Jul 02, 2003 - 03:10 PM
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Hi Darkson. Do you mean our house rule? I would't know, haven't been at it for more than a few months, and my references are the internet LRB version 2.0 and the 2002 handbook that came with the boardgame I bought from the US a couple a months ago.
Valen - Jul 03, 2003 - 01:38 AM
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Darkson,
You are absolutley correct, it is the old version of the Wild Animal trait.
CoachBlackBear - Jul 03, 2003 - 01:47 AM
Post subject: I heard the rules for WA are about to change...
is that right? is it in the october revision, and does anyone know what the tnew rule will be like?
Indigo - Jul 03, 2003 - 02:25 AM
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I don't think they are planning on changing it much, if at all, from the LRB 2 version. Best to check the hot list of topics for October at Galak's site.
CoachBlackBear - Jul 03, 2003 - 02:28 AM
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Do you have the adress to Galak's site?
Valen - Jul 03, 2003 - 02:33 AM
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www.blood-boel.net, I think
Valen - Jul 03, 2003 - 02:34 AM
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sorry, www.blood-bowl.net
CoachBlackBear - Jul 03, 2003 - 03:17 AM
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Thanks. I read the stuff on the links far down on Galak's site, at the "Talk BB". Seems there will be changes? I also realize maybe the house rules are not so bad. Anticipate october. 
Doubleskulls - Jul 03, 2003 - 05:19 AM
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I doubt WA will change at all in October. I think a lot of the initial dislike of the rule has weakened as people got used to it.
GColeman76 - Jul 07, 2003 - 11:59 AM
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Can you choose not to move the WA as a choice.
Tutenkharnage - Jul 07, 2003 - 12:01 PM
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gavrad76 wrote:
Can you choose not to move the WA as a choice.
If he doesn't begin the turn standing in contact with an opposing player, you are welcome to say, "Move action," and not move him at all. If he starts the turn standing next to an opposing player, however, you must take a Block or Blitz action, throw the block, and continue with your turn (if possible).
-Chet
GColeman76 - Jul 07, 2003 - 04:54 PM
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But if you don't say move action is it an IP?
Darkson - Jul 07, 2003 - 05:46 PM
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If you make it clear, as the 1st action of your turn, that a WA not adjacent to an opposistion player is doing nothing, then no, it's not an IP. If you don't make it clear, then I guess you could be called for it, thoug we don't play IP anymore anyway.
Darkson - Jul 07, 2003 - 05:47 PM
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Oh, and in relation to the question in your signature, neither, play gobbos instead 
Doubleskulls - Jul 08, 2003 - 02:50 AM
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gavrad76 wrote:
But if you don't say move action is it an IP?
Techincally no. Its only an IP if you take an action with him after moving another player. If you don't take an action at all its not an IP.
However its good manners, and would reduce confusion, if you tell your opponent he's not doing anything for his action.
Valen - Jul 08, 2003 - 05:50 AM
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Good manners???? This is blood bowl right? 
Doubleskulls - Jul 08, 2003 - 06:00 AM
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A true elf would appreciate manners
Valen - Jul 08, 2003 - 06:09 AM
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very true, we dont need too have manners as we very much higher beings than the rest of you
jmccubbin - Jul 08, 2003 - 09:27 AM
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Elves are superior??? Superior tasting...not really their too soft. 
Valen - Jul 08, 2003 - 09:40 AM
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All you bitter elf haters .