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Melifaxis - Oct 19, 2005 - 02:36 PM
Post subject: Beantown Brouhaha III (June 17th/18th @ GW-Harvard Square)
The event will be held June 17th and 18th (2006) at GW - Harvard Square!
GW - Harvard Square has been a wonderful supporter of our event and would love to have us back. The A/C in the battle bunker has left much to be desired, but we keep moving the event earlier in the year so hopefully this will be the year we avoid that Sweltering Heat roll 
I will also bring additional fans, plenty of beverages, and work with GW to keep things as cool as possible.
Event Sponsors:
Games Workshop - Harvard Square
Games Workshop - Specialist Games
The War Store
Impact! Miniatures
Among others, prizes will include a Human Team, Lizardman Cheerleader, Ressurection Gutter Runner, Impact! Snow Troll & a $50 Gift Certificate to The War Store!
I'll update this post as I firm up plans for Brouhaha III. If you have suggestions please feel free to PM them, e-mail them, or post them 
Please register for the tourney ahead of time if you plan on attending so I have a better idea of headcount. Thanks 
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 19, 2005 - 03:15 PM
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Can we do it this weekend?
YES...I am that excited about my return to Boston!
-Rob
Serious Question...When you say that the Harvard Facilities are out of our price league...are you talking about the college proper, or the Harvard Square location? Otherwise, are you thinking of moving the event for climate control reasons?
Would another venue in that area be out of the question? There are several hotels in walking distance from where the first 2 have been? Would they also be cost prohibitive since it is a college town?
-RobO
CyberHare - Oct 19, 2005 - 04:59 PM
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Hotel conference rooms are typically quite expensive. If Harvard is out maybe look into local church halls.
BB_Babe - Oct 19, 2005 - 07:32 PM
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I'm busy the weekend of June 10. I have a slight interest in going to Toronto the weekend of the 16; but I would definitely stay in town for the BTBHH instead if that date works.
It would be nice if we could sort out the date in the nearish future though. If I go to Toronto, it would be to help run the gaming room at Gaylaxicon, and if so I'd like to try to organise some Bloodbowl for that if the Toronto crew were interested in playing.
There are four church halls right in Harvard Square that might work out. I could also brainstorm on other potential sites later when I have more brain cells. (got back from Montreal Monday evening, Homeric Greek class Tuesday night, Comparative Religious Ethics class with a paper due tonight.... give me the brain, the martini olives are staring at me.... )
Cheers,
Mo
Xtreme - Oct 19, 2005 - 09:35 PM
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My vote would be for the first or second weekend in June. I intend to be there this year.
Melifaxis - Oct 20, 2005 - 08:02 AM
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I'm talking about the University. It would cost about $1000 for the event. As if they need it with the size of their endowment 
I can still look in Harvard Square. Holding it at the GW store itself again is not out of the question, but the lack of effective A/C is the largest complaint I receive, so I'd like to do something about it.
I started making calls to potential locations to get quotes. Thanks for the input thusfar, and please keep it flowing
CyberHare - Oct 20, 2005 - 09:26 AM
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The GW store isn't itself bad. it's like you said just the AC issue. Holding it outside of the city though might help to reduce costs a little. Motel rooms and event rooms are always more expensive right in the middle of town.
Harvard wants $1000 for the space???
Melifaxis - Oct 20, 2005 - 10:26 AM
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Yep, $500 per day! I'll look at both Harvard Square and at locations west of Boston.
Hoshi_Komi - Oct 20, 2005 - 11:08 AM
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how about your living room ???
Melifaxis - Oct 20, 2005 - 11:17 AM
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Harvard is cheaper than the divorce attorney 
Hoshi_Komi - Oct 20, 2005 - 11:52 AM
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Harvard it is then
Imagine....you could say you held the smartest bloodbowl tourney in the world
Melifaxis - Oct 20, 2005 - 12:43 PM
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Not with Dan showing up 
misterhobbs - Oct 21, 2005 - 05:48 AM
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If GW isn't available, what about Danger Planet Games in Waltham? It's less MBTA friendly, but I believe they have a regular league that plays there, which could mean additional players. I also don't know the area all that well, so I don't know if it's lunch friendly. It has to be cheaper than 500 a day though.
CyberHare - Oct 21, 2005 - 06:01 AM
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$500 per day for a classroom? They smoke some pretty good weed over at Harvard. They must import it from MTL
SBG - Oct 22, 2005 - 12:29 PM
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Hey! Back on the forum after a long time!
Yeap! Rob has been nice enough to forget about the June 24th week-end, Quebec's national holiday and for other reasons, a weekend that is hard for me to be away!
OK, if Harvard is too expensive, what about taking a look at the different hotels in the area with a conference center? They might even be interested in doing a special package on rates for those of us who would stay there!
Just my two cents!
Fred
Melifaxis - Oct 24, 2005 - 02:00 PM
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I have calls/electronic form submissions in to several hotels to check out such offers
Paul - Oct 24, 2005 - 02:04 PM
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Hey all
I can't say for sure yet, but I'm hoping to make it to this torunament next year. It all depends on school/work (more on the second one really) and its all pretty far away now to commit yet.
Keep your fingers crossed though.
Melifaxis - Oct 24, 2005 - 02:26 PM
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Excellent, another Canadian to come down and hear us sing the Star Spangled Banner after the Championship match
Paul - Oct 24, 2005 - 02:46 PM
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hey, you can sing whatever you want while they're playing O Canada after I win the tournament.
(geze, I'm starting to trash talk before I even have the slightest idea if I can go yet.)
Clan_Skaven - Oct 24, 2005 - 03:31 PM
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Paul wrote:
hey, you can sing whatever you want while they're playing O Canada after I win the tournament.
(geze, I'm starting to trash talk before I even have the slightest idea if I can go yet.)
That has nothing to do with you being Canadian its just cause your part of the TBBF! Down with the TBBF I say!
Rod,
PS if I'm still working in Washington DC (& off that weekend, then I just may be able to attend!)
Rod.
garth - Oct 24, 2005 - 05:41 PM
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Rob, I understand that you live quite a distance from the GW site. Why not find something (like a hotel conference room) closer to you. BTW, if you hold one at a hotel, they may give you some rooms at a prefered rate.
Just make sure the hotel has a bar. One with lots of cute girls, please!
Seriously, it would eliminate all of the gas, parking, etc. costs -- parking was $25 per day last time! Yikes!
Garth
bampf - Oct 25, 2005 - 01:18 PM
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Some hotels will give cheap conference rooms if they know you ll be bringing a lot of guests.
And that anthem singing thing we started may turn this tournament ugly. Int l relations and all right down the crapper.
Alhough having a canuck with us gave us an in with a bunch of chicks at the bar that one night (thanks Garth!)... if only we could have come up with a better lie when they asked what we were in town for.
Ranthorn - Oct 25, 2005 - 03:29 PM
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someone who will REMAIN NAMELESS won't bring up Lord of the Rings and then scare them all off....
Josh
Zinak - Oct 25, 2005 - 04:45 PM
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Welll.....
Are we talking just June as i know that i wont beable to get off the first two weeks as my boss has it locked up already. What a March april may those are solid bloodbowl months. .. Hmm cooler months mean A.C. is not an issue as nature will do that for us.........
Zinak
Colin - Oct 25, 2005 - 05:23 PM
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I would be willing to plan to come down for this if it was held at a good time (the weekend before Easter would work for me, (April 8, 9) or if in May, the 20, 21 would work (long holiday weekend for us up here in Canada). Would be cool to come to Boston.
garth - Oct 25, 2005 - 05:58 PM
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The May long weekend would be a good idea, but then I wouldn't be able to go. I am running my own tournament at Cangames in Ottawa.
April would be nice but you don't want to conflict with the Philly Phrakus...
Garth
Zinak - Oct 25, 2005 - 06:25 PM
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Damm you all .. Avoid holiday weekends as some of us have o work every holiday with no chance at all of getting it off.
Zinak
KarlLagerbottom - Oct 25, 2005 - 06:32 PM
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garth wrote:
The May long weekend would be a good idea, but then I wouldn't be able to go. I am running my own tournament at Cangames in Ottawa.
April would be nice but you don't want to conflict with the Philly Phrakus...
Garth
Garth-
Thanks for remembering the little guy...beside you know you're coming to the Phrakus II....right?
-RobO
garth - Oct 25, 2005 - 06:52 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Thanks for remembering the little guy...beside you know you're coming to the Phrakus II....right?
-RobO
I'll do my best -- but I someone to share the ride/hotel with. Any Canadians listening?!?
Perhaps I will fare better at a smaller tourney...
Garth
Zinak - Nov 15, 2005 - 07:18 AM
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update?
Melifaxis - Nov 15, 2005 - 08:38 AM
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Hotels are being slow in responding. Will keep badgering them though. I'll try to have things finalized by year end so that folks have plenty of time to plan. I'll avoid holiday weekends.
Hoshi_Komi - Nov 15, 2005 - 08:43 AM
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can you hear it????? the Kings are coming.....hide your women and children......
Melifaxis - Nov 15, 2005 - 09:03 AM
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Buncha has beens
KarlLagerbottom - Nov 15, 2005 - 03:19 PM
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Has Beans? Is thats why its in Boston?
-RobO
EDIT: Stay away from Buncha he's a smelly *BLEEP*!!!
Melifaxis - Nov 18, 2005 - 12:05 PM
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The date and venue are set.
A local restaurant (that shall remain nameless) is considering sponsoring the tourney
More to follow as plans develop...
Zinak - Nov 20, 2005 - 12:16 PM
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I AM SO IN
Zin'ak
CyberHare - Nov 20, 2005 - 05:40 PM
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Count me in brother. I am soo taking that title this year 
KarlLagerbottom - Nov 21, 2005 - 12:28 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
What Title? Most Deluded Quebecois?
-Rob
CyberHare - Nov 21, 2005 - 01:16 PM
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Spoon? Did someone say spoon 
KarlLagerbottom - Nov 21, 2005 - 02:33 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
Spoon? Did someone say spoon
Yep...that is a lot closer to the mark. I knew you'd come around to the a title more commesurate with your stature.
Amazons...
Melifaxis - Nov 22, 2005 - 12:18 PM
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The War Store has decided to sponsor the event with a generous donation of a $50 Gift Certificate!
Melifaxis - Nov 22, 2005 - 01:35 PM
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Harvard Square Hotel will hold a block of rooms for us. But, I'll need to front the funds and sign a contract, so I'd like to guage interest.
$189 per night is the rate they are offering. It is the closest hotel to the event (2 blocks away) so you can roll out of bed and walk there. Another pro is that you can go anywhere in the city from there on the T for relatively little $. Parking is $30 per day at the hotel.
There are cheaper places to stay if you dont mind a short drive into the event though (and there's always hostels). Another option is to pursue a block of rooms about a half hour's drive west of the city. Rooms will be about half the cost and folks could drive in together and split parking in Harvard Square.
Which sounds preferable to you?
CyberHare - Nov 22, 2005 - 02:12 PM
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That's a little, no actually that's a lot expensive Why is it so darn expensive for rooms in Boston. I think we should just all bring tents and camp on your front lawn. I'm sure your wife won't mind Of course you'll be sleeping in the dog house for a few weeks/months after that but hey, we're worth it.
No?
Xtreme - Nov 22, 2005 - 08:54 PM
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Wow, not only is the room pretty pricey but the parking is aswell. How much are the less expensive rooms?
Never been to Boston so pardon my ignorance but if I flew in would I be able to get around without a car?
BB_Babe - Nov 23, 2005 - 10:13 AM
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You can get around pretty well on the subway. The Harvard Square stop on the Red Line is right around the corner from the GW store.
Melifaxis - Nov 23, 2005 - 11:18 AM
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Sadly, Boston is an expensive place. Public transportation is good though.
If you stayed in say Natick (half hour west of the venue it would be $129 per night at the Courtyard Marriot or $80 or so at a Red Roof Inn (both without a discount for a block of rooms as I havent talked to them yet) and free parking, but then you'd need to park near the event and pay to do so - of course people could and should drive in together to cut down on that cost). I think I paid about $25 Sat and $16 Sun for parking last year.
Another option would be to take the commuter rail in from outside the city but that travel time adds up, and might be more trouble than its worth.
Melifaxis - Nov 25, 2005 - 11:44 AM
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My humble thanks to the Vericon organizers for this information:
http://www.vericon.org/localinfo.html#stay
Best Western Hotel Tria
220 Alewife Brook Pkwy.
Cambridge, MA 02138
$89 per room per night, up to 4 adults
1.5 m from Harvard
The Buckminster
645 Beacon St., Kenmore Sq.
236-7050, 800-727-2825
singles $79; doubles $89; suites (3 queen beds) $109
parking is avail for $20/night
Group rate: $10 off per room if you reserve more than 10.
Days Hotel Boston/Cambridge
1234 Soldiers Field Rd.
Boston, MA 02135
$91.50 per room per night, up to 4 adults
1 m from Harvard
A Friendly Inn
1673 Cambridge St., across from Cambridge Rindge & Latin HS
547-7851
18 rooms
single $107; double $127
no group rate given
Hawthorn Suites Ltd Arlington
1 Mass Ave
Arlington MA 02474
$80 per room per night, up to 4 adults
1 m from Harvard
La Quinta Inn & Suites Somerville
23 Cummings St.
Somerville, MA 02145
$84 per room per night, up to 4 adults
Less than 3 m from Harvard
Milner Hotel
78 Charles St. South, Boylston T Stop
426-6220, 800-453-1731
single $78; double $105; suite $112
no group rate given
SkinkFury - Dec 01, 2005 - 09:22 AM
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I am posting this for Rob...
His 2006 calendar did not have Father's Day on it. His wife is ok with the event still being this weekend (after he showed her the calendar ), but if it's an issue for a significant number of other attendees he can try to move the event. You just need to speak up soon.
Thanks!
Castle1473 - Dec 01, 2005 - 11:03 AM
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Moron...
Melifaxis - Dec 05, 2005 - 05:17 PM
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"It's not my fault"
~Han Solo
This one wasn't my fault I can show ya the lousy calendar. My access to the forums is fixed now.
Zinak - Dec 11, 2005 - 01:57 PM
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Harvard Square Hotel is where The pa. crew has been for the past 2 years and we like it very much.
Zinak
KarlLagerbottom - Dec 11, 2005 - 03:21 PM
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Zinak wrote:
Harvard Square Hotel is where The pa. crew has been for the past 2 years and we like it very much.
Zinak
I concur...and at the risk of rankling the feathers of Mr Cyberhare...the proximity to Fire and Ice AND The Venue make this place ideal.
There are also alot of hot college er..umm...students and pubs, etc...all within walking distance. I believe that parking is included with the price of the room, so when you factor in the savings of gas/parking it might not be that much more expensive.
-RobO
bampf - Dec 11, 2005 - 08:21 PM
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Fraid not, Rob. Parking is close to $30 more per night. It is pricey but incredibly convenient. We just try to pile in as many bodies as possible to lower costs.
So close to Fire and Ice....
garth - Dec 11, 2005 - 09:41 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
There are also alot of hot college er..umm...students and pubs, etc...
I love you, man...
CyberHare - Dec 12, 2005 - 05:22 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
and at the risk of rankling the feathers of Mr Cyberhare
I clean up one thread and now I'm the soup Nazzi.
We should all just bring our sleeping bags and sleep at the store. Shower? Bahh
Melifaxis - Dec 12, 2005 - 06:53 AM
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Zinak - Dec 21, 2005 - 08:44 PM
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Feed me updates updates i say
KarlLagerbottom - Dec 22, 2005 - 01:52 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
KarlLagerbottom wrote:
and at the risk of rankling the feathers of Mr Cyberhare
I clean up one thread and now I'm the soup Nazzi.
We should all just bring our sleeping bags and sleep at the store. Shower? Bahh
Yeah thats a good idea...especially with the AC issues at Harvard Square!!
Colin - Jan 01, 2006 - 04:24 PM
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I am seriously considering coming to this event, I think I can manage it, should be able to book the time off with no problem, just not sure if I should come down for the week or just come for the weekend.
Melifaxis - Mar 24, 2006 - 12:12 PM
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Can someone sticky this please?
SBG - Apr 11, 2006 - 09:50 PM
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After a few weeks off the various BB forums, I am (almost) back!!! And I want to tell you that the Montreal Delegation will be boasting (perhaps) one or two more members!!!!!!
That's a lot of "ifs", but still...
Brouhaha I : 3rd place...
Brouhaha II : 2nd place...
Brouhaha III : you see the trend!
I am SO looking forward to this event!!!!!!
Fred
Hoshi_Komi - Apr 12, 2006 - 01:13 PM
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I think I'll be back this year to smack you down again Fred!
Zinak - May 03, 2006 - 12:18 PM
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if no sticky how about a bump... and to make this bloodbowlish
WHAT???? THERE IS BLOODBOWL IN BOSTON....NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zinak
SBG - May 07, 2006 - 09:09 PM
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Well... Disaster struck!
It is with GREAT disapointment that I have to announce you that I won't be able to make it to Boston this year...
This tournament is very special to me as I love the city and it allowed me to meet wonderful people that I really enjoy spending some time with! (Is that even a sentence? SOunds weird...) But unfortunately, it will be tough to make it fit my schedule, and mostly my wallet this year! Hope to see you guys in Montreal later this year and REALLY hope to get back to Boston, or any other tourney, as a matter of fact, soon.
A very sorry Fred Daigle here...
Uthrac - May 08, 2006 - 09:56 AM
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Looking through the rules posted, and looks like they have note been updated in a while. A couple of questions:
(1) Scoring for painting?
(2) Kickoff table - - are we using the 4.0 rules or the modifications on the 3.0 kickoff table as listed.
Thanks!
~Dan
Zinak - May 08, 2006 - 12:04 PM
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SBG ,,, Noooooo!!!!! It is a shame you will not be making it this year... what about the rest of your cartel will they be making the trip down still...we would hope to see atleast a few of you french-canadians as we love the way you talk. :> :> :>
Zinak
SBG - May 08, 2006 - 02:53 PM
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Loll Zinak!
I doubt that Chris and Bob will make it this year. You'll have to wait to hear our beautiful accent!
Fred
Zinak - May 10, 2006 - 10:24 AM
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How about NO!!! I will not let this happen... If it is a wallet thing then I say that you all all you bring with you shall have free space in the Harrisburg Hotel rooms,,, now this may be floor space but it will cost you nothing but the money needed to park and maybe a dinner for the folks letting you crash hehehe :> Hmm fire and Ice hmmmm. Don t let a few dollars keep you away... Again I say that you can stay with us in our Hotel rooms for free!!! what a great deal and we stay right in Harvard Square a nice 3 min walk to the tourny... What say you to this SBG???? If we don t have enough room I challenge the rest of the players to help out just the same!!!!
Zinak
Melifaxis - May 11, 2006 - 10:25 AM
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*gasp* I'm offline for a bit and disaster hits. The Wings are eliminated and SBG cancels!
Fred if you can make it, your admission to the tourney is on me, my friend!
And before I get a rash of cancellations - no, I'm not rich so I cant do this for multiple folks
Scoring for painting is in the word doc and I'll double-check the kick-off table and make sure it's online correctly Uthrac.
Uthrac - May 11, 2006 - 11:47 AM
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I don't know that I'd want to play in a tournament where painting points are included in the scoring system . . .
bampf - May 11, 2006 - 12:21 PM
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I don t know I d want to play someone who holds the hobby in such low esteem that they can t be bothered to put THREE colors on their minis.
So no big loss.
Zinak - May 11, 2006 - 12:22 PM
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Rant on
PAINTING
A portion of the tournament points will be awarded based upon team painting and presentation. Up to 10 points are awarded based on the criteria below. The official tournament judges will evaluate each team based on these 4 points and not on the aesthetics of the team. This means that any painter of any standard can gain the maximum ten points if he/she puts in the effort and follows the guidelines below. All judges decisions are final.
Based ??? 2 points: All the bases in the team, including sideline staff, are painted and or textured in some manner. Just being painted green is not enough.
Painted ??? 2 points: The team is painted. All models must have at least 3 colors on them. Undercoats must not be visible.
Detailed ??? 2 points: All models have had the details painted in a variety of colors or with noticeable effects. This can be shading or highlighting etc. This discriminates between the merely painted team and the team that has had attention paid to it.
Representative ??? 4 points: All models on the team are representative of the race and position that they are meant to portray. Extra weapons that are not part of a finished and painted figure should be removed. This does not mean that you must use official Blood Bowl miniatures. Only that an Ogre should look like an Ogre, a Dwarf should look like a Dwarf, etc
Important: In order to get the points, all models in the team must fulfill the criteria. If even one model fails, the points will not be awarded.
In reality it would take you 1 afternoon to complete a paint job that will get you all of the above points. You are jot judge on how well it is painted(thats what the painting comp is for) just that you have paint on the models. I ,for one, hate setting down a team that I took my time to paint,as per the rules tournament, to find my opponent didn t take the time todo the same. I would not even care to play such a person as painting in a huge part of the hobby... i would say even as much as the game itself. To clarify this i dont expect every paint job to be world class , i just would hope everyone would put some work into it.
Rant off
Zinak
Uthrac - May 11, 2006 - 12:25 PM
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bampf wrote:
I don t know I d want to play someone who holds the hobby in such low esteem that they can t be bothered to put THREE colors on their minis.
So no big loss.
(1) As pointed out, it's a bit more than 3 colors.
(2) Note that my objection is not to requiring teams to be painted, representative, or "look nice," but as a factor in the tournament scoring.
(3) Any loss of a player in a tournament should be considered a "big loss" - - I consider your attitude here quite poor.
Zinak - May 11, 2006 - 12:30 PM
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Painted ??? 2 points: The team is painted. All models must have at least 3 colors on them. Undercoats must not be visible
hmm 3 colors
zinak
Uthrac - May 11, 2006 - 12:32 PM
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Zinak wrote:
hmm 3 colors
zinak
Detailed ??? 2 points: All models have had the details painted in a variety of colors or with noticeable effects.
Uthrac - May 11, 2006 - 12:47 PM
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Zinak wrote:
Zinak wrote:
hmm 3 colors
zinak
Detailed ??? 2 points: All models have had the details painted in a variety of colors or with noticeable effects.
And again, to clarify, I do not object to painting guidelines, restrictions, etc. Nor would I bring an unpainted/unrepresented team to a tournament. I merely question the use of "painting points" in the tournament scoring system.
~Uthrac
Shane - May 11, 2006 - 03:11 PM
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Note that the identical system for last year's B-town B-haha was on the books, and widely ignored. No points were deducted from any playing team (unless there was an 0/10 somewhere) as you can see from the website, as all scores end with either a 5 or 0. Also, keep in mind this is 10 points out of between 90 and 300+, so the painting points end up being a potential tiebreaker, nothing more. Please don't let the stray hobbyist attitude keep you away.
There is quite often a divide between "BB is a Hobby" players and the "BB is a game" players at times.
I'm fully in favor of a Best Painted prize, and know better than to even inset myself into the voting. (I've never painted a fig in my life, and have no intention to start now.) I prefer this kind of 10 point system to the "you must paint to these specifications or you are out" version in the North American Cup rulebook.
Anybody looking to use the Hawthorne Suites to save some cash for the Brouhaha? That $30 for parking turns into a couple bucks total by using the bus into Harvard Sq. I live across the street from the Hawthorne, and would be happy to escort anyone staying there into the store.
ryltar - May 11, 2006 - 06:48 PM
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Shane wrote:
No points were deducted from any playing team (unless there was an 0/10 somewhere) as you can see from the website, as all scores end with either a 5 or 0. Also, keep in mind this is 10 points out of between 90 and 300+, so the painting points end up being a potential tiebreaker, nothing more.
Roman Dwarves Dwarven Kings 204 1 1 3 5 6 17 10 6
That's a line from the Brouhaha site. Roman got 204 points. Assuming it wasn't just for s- and giggles, he must have been docked on painting.
I wish y'all had been around Danger Planet three or four years ago, when a 40k league was starting up. Painting rules were three colors and basing (as they are here). Basing had EVERYONE up in arms. It was quite a scene. In fact for me that is an issue. My orc team doesn't have texture on their bases. They are all color coded so no one can mistake a position. Its really much nicer than playing the almost all identical orcs, who were all very well painted and based, but the black orcs and blitzers and line orcs were virtually indistinguishable from each other. I'd lose two points right there if I came with them. Not that it'll matter since it is only a tiebreaker.
But, why tiebreak on a hobby aspect? I thought BloodBowl was supposed to be a game, and a tourney was to determine the best coach (on that given day). Even more so, why tiebreak on something that isn't enforced ? The tourneys I've been to (few in number as they are), standings do seem to end up pretty close. Despite your plea, Shane, you definitely are not going to draw in those people who have unpainted teams and want to play, or at least object on principal to the exclusion of unpainted teams (exclusion by penalty anyway).
If something is in the rules, it should be enforced, otherwise it will be enforced at the judges discretion, which is not fair. If it isn't enforced, don't put it in the rules!
Personally I feel both painting and sportsmanship should be recorded outside of the event scorekeeping. Even others on these forums have stated that the reliablity of the sportsmanship system is arguable. And painting has no bearing on whether you are a good coach or not. It hurts my eyes to see flash metal teams, but if a flash metal team can beat my well painted one, then they should get the full benefit! Both sportsmanship and painting should have their own categories and judging. But it shouldn't be part of determining who gets to be champion.
zinak wrote:
In reality it would take you 1 afternoon to complete a paint job that will get you all of the above points. You are jot judge on how well it is painted(thats what the painting comp is for) just that you have paint on the models. I ,for one, hate setting down a team that I took my time to paint,as per the rules tournament, to find my opponent didn t take the time todo the same. I would not even care to play such a person as painting in a huge part of the hobby... i would say even as much as the game itself. To clarify this i dont expect every paint job to be world class , i just would hope everyone would put some work into it.
I have painted several of my Bloodbowl teams up to as high a standard as I could. 'one afternoon' is a poor description for the 12 hours it took me to get the guys looking most of the way there, and that is the point at which one would score the full 10 points. I didn't time the finishing details after or the conversion work before. And I've been painting for over a decade. A novice, with little interest in painting, could waste a lot of time meeting even the lowest standards for an event like this. Not everyone cares to spend their time painting. It hurts me too, but while they may not be hobbyists (or possessed of a lot of time) they often love the game just as much as you and I. And we should accept that and welcome them to the game. If it hurts you enough, I am sure they'd love to have you spend 'one afternoon' to paint their team for you. They might even give you money (it'd be like a buisness!).
I'd like to point you for a second to the vast wealth of pre-painted collectable miniatures games (Hero-Clix, Mage Knight, Star Wars Minis etc..). Not only are they a huge market (as in people buy the stuff cause they don't even have to paint them) but they are a major resource as a pool of gamers to draw into our hobby. Sooner or later they would probably take to the idea that they could paint their own dudes, and might even like it. But if you set up tourneys that inherently penalize them, it will be a lot harder to draw them in. And I think that is a loss to the hobby.
KarlLagerbottom - May 11, 2006 - 07:08 PM
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I really don't get why this is such an issue...it is 10 stinking points. And it is not a penalty for those people who don't want to paint/can't paint/have no interest in painting...it's a reward for those who do.
Generally speaking the game is more enjoyable when painted minis are used. That's my opinion, but I think it is shared by quite a few, if not the majority, or people out there.
If you want to play for, "The love of the game" exclusively...then you should not mind not getting the 10 points that generally don't get applied until after the fourth round at the earliest.
And just to repeat using different words so that everyone gets it...these rules are not meant to be exclusionary...they are not discriminating against the non-painters...they are simply a perk for those people who enjoy this part of the hobby and are willing to put extra time into their team. If it doesn't strike your fancy to spend the time doing this...don't begrudge those who do put in the extra effort. Thanks.
-Rob
P.S. I myself can't pait at all, and get most of my creative itch scratched by modeling and conversions. That said...having a nicely painted team for me to play with...and for my opponent to play against...is very important to me. I will commission someone to paint my teams, or buy them pre-painted. Problem solved...that's the way I handle it and I don't begrudge the winners of "Best Painted" because I am not elidgable because I don't paint my own teams. (And BTW...sometimes the winner of that award at a given tourney doesn't have a better looking team than mine...it's just that I didn't paint it so I am not a candidate for that award. Oh Well.)
Shane - May 11, 2006 - 07:28 PM
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The Dwarven Kings is most likely a typo, but I'll let Melifaxis say one way or the other if he wants. I know if it were strict reading, I'd've ended up with 4 out of 10 (a HE Blitzer subbing for a 3rd DE Blitzer for -4, and substandard basing for -2.) I know Melifaxis knew about the turncoat Elf, at least. Final score for me was 255.
--->I think we're on the same page though, on hobby v gamer, so I won't comment to much on that.
--->I was around DP back then, but I can't stand 40K. I actually tried running a BB league there once. Remember BABBLe?
--->As to the pre-painted stuff, it's likely that I'll be showing up with a BattleBall team to one of these tournies, once I figure out if they're better as Humans, Norse, or Chaos.
ryltar - May 11, 2006 - 10:33 PM
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I really don't get why this is such an issue...it is 10 stinking points. And it is not a penalty for those people who don't want to paint/can't paint/have no interest in painting...it's a reward for those who do.
Rob -
With all due respect, if it is 'ten stinking points' then why do you want them so bad? And your 'bonus' is someone else's penalty. It is all a matter of perspective. And if you want to reward people for their painting or converting skills, why not just give out a best painting/best conversion award?
I guess we look at this differently. I think (correct me if I am wrong) you feel a tournament to be more of a 'hobby' competition. I would prefer one I go to to be a 'game' competition. Both are valid. A 'hobbyists' can to some extent be satisfied at a 'gamer' tourney by inclusion of painting and other awards in addition to a purely game mechanics based determination of a winner. I have yet to see a 'gamist' approach to scoring though outside of theoretical discussions. A 'gamist' could perhaps be satisfied by including a 'best coach' award besides overall winner (Warhammer GTs used to have Best General besides the Overall champ based on win record only) but this option is something I have seen no trace of here or elsewhere on the boards. I may have missed it.
And I know no one is TRYING to exclude anyone. But if I told you that anyone coming to my tourney with only stock GW figures gets +10 authenticity points would you, with all your conversion work, feel that that is just ten stinking points? It would be a turn off wouldn't it? That's how it is exclusionary.
Furthermore, someone who plays with unpainted figures is very likely playing to win, perhaps even more so than the rest of us, and wants every opportunity to do so. As has been implied, he likely cares little about other aspects of the hobby. He wont show up to a tourney where he starts out 10 points down (even if that is out of 300+). That also excludes him.
Now note that I absolutely prefer playing with painted figs. It hurts me to put unpainted guys on the pitch, and disappoints me when my opponent fields flash metal. I have, however, as many of us have, experienced brutal time shortages in my time. I definitely have chosen to play games rather than paint, because I often find it to be more fun. At least I like painting, some completely abhor painting (and might lack funds to have other people paint things for them). But I wouldn't want to deprive him of what he wants out of the game, just in case he might decide to paint his figs one day to not deprive me of mine (or yours).
And I do hope to get to see some of your conversion work some day, I love doing conversion myself.
Shane -
Sadly I missed the BABBLe days. I only really noticed Bloodbowl a year ago, but have fallen in love since We do have the dpbbl and attendant activities going on, so you can check in on us if you are interested in getting involved.
Greg
Uthrac - May 12, 2006 - 06:11 AM
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Greg,
Thanks for your clear explanation of the "points for painting" issue. Couldn't agree more.
Ryltar wrote:
And I know no one is TRYING to exclude anyone. But if I told you that anyone coming to my tourney with only stock GW figures gets +10 authenticity points would you, with all your conversion work, feel that that is just ten stinking points? It would be a turn off wouldn't it? That's how it is exclusionary.
Most excellent analogy! Good to see someone take note that different coaches value different aspects of a game. This main point to remember here is that anything added to the scoring system may be objectionable to some coaches. (There's a more general discussion on scoring problems, for example, a loss by 1 + a smackdown bonus is equal in points to a tie!)
Be that as it may, the important thing is not to tell people who prioritize aspects of the hobby differently than yourself: "No big loss."
~Uthrac
Hoshi_Komi - May 12, 2006 - 06:36 AM
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I don't like painting points involved in determining a winner, in my tourney the painting award goes to the best painted. That's the hobby aspect right there.
But if you put forth the minimal effort to painting you should get 8-10pts anyway--so you'll lose a max of 2 pts. And I've never seen painting affect the overall winner.
Melifaxis - May 12, 2006 - 07:59 AM
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ryltar wrote:
But, why tiebreak on a hobby aspect?
Because part of the hobby is painting. Just as part of the hobby is competing in leagues or tournaments.
Just to clarify, last year The Dwarven Kings received 4 points, and all other teams received 10.
Painting is looked at, and it is judged. At the same time, 10 points is a very minimal amount. You can get 10 points for a smackdown bonus based on a few lucky rolls. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Painting scoring is there, and will remain there as a tool to encourage folks to embrace that aspect of the hobby. You can always have someone else paint for you if you so choose.
KarlLagerbottom - May 12, 2006 - 09:10 AM
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Rob -
With all due respect, if it is 'ten stinking points' then why do you want them so bad?
I don't want them "So Bad" I am just defending a tourney organizer's right to include them if so wishes. I understand your getting rubbed the wron way by the "get over it" comments...but I do feel that painting points have value.
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...why not just give out a best painting/best conversion award?
This is often included in alot of NAF tournies...but this is not the same point. The Painting Points that are being discussed here are not looking at, or appraising, the skill applied to the job...but just that the job was done.
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I guess we look at this differently. I think (correct me if I am wrong) you feel a tournament to be more of a 'hobby' competition. I would prefer one I go to to be a 'game' competition. Both are valid. A 'hobbyists' can to some extent be satisfied at a 'gamer' tourney by inclusion of painting and other awards in addition to a purely game mechanics based determination of a winner. I have yet to see a 'gamist' approach to scoring though outside of theoretical discussions. A 'gamist' could perhaps be satisfied by including a 'best coach' award besides overall winner (Warhammer GTs used to have Best General besides the Overall champ based on win record only) but this option is something I have seen no trace of here or elsewhere on the boards. I may have missed it.
To be completely honest, I like these events from a Gamer Perspective because I enjoy the game itself first and foremost. However, what folks need to realize is that in the current context of NAF Tournies...strict game-ist perspectives are not really applied. Part of the NAF Tourney Philosophy is to be as inclusive as possible...and as such there is not standard ruleset. As far as I understand, Grand Tournements for other games typically apply the same "standard" rulesets accross the board. This is done so that the same metric can be applied to everyone regardless of the specific tourny that they attend. I personally would like to have this same philospophy applied for Blood Bowl tournies...but that is not currently the reality of the situation. With that context in mind...a strict gamer might not want to attend a NAF tourney. I would hope that they would...acknowledging the slightly different take on tournies...but if these players are looking for a strict(albeit fun) Blood Bowl tourney...another Tourney Circuit/Organization would need to be formed.)
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And I know no one is TRYING to exclude anyone. But if I told you that anyone coming to my tourney with only stock GW figures gets +10 authenticity points would you, with all your conversion work, feel that that is just ten stinking points? It would be a turn off wouldn't it? That's how it is exclusionary.
This would not dissuade me...most of my teams fit this catagory. I understand your point...but frankly these issues would not bother me one way or the other.
Most of the things that "irk my ire" (
Take that Spazz!!)
are tourney specific rules that I feel break things that provide racial balances within the game...then I decide for myself how this will impact my decision to attend.
This seems to me to be the reason why NAF Sanctioning is dependant upon the rules being posted with alot of lead-time and the commitment that they will not change within a certain time frame. (But this is more of a side note.)
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Furthermore, someone who plays with unpainted figures is very likely playing to win...
BTW...I have talked to NAF staff..and my impression is that they do not want to foster an environment where people attend a tourney with a "win first" philosophy. I think there may be room for another organization that values a more standardized tourney rule-set and more meaningfull/relevant rankings.
I would be interested in attending either or both types of tournies, and I see the value of both...but see the need for a new/seperate Tourney System.
Greg
Shane - May 12, 2006 - 11:11 AM
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--->Just a quick note to say I stand corrected on the non-enforcement issue. It was a fun event last year, and look forward to this year's tourney.
And again, if anybody is looking to reduce costs for the trip, look just a little outside of Harvard Square, and you can find bargains for hotels. Boston public transport makes getting there a cinch.
bampf - May 12, 2006 - 12:13 PM
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It s interesting to note that the Grand Tournaments and all Rogue Trader GW sanctioned tourneys (I have atteneded and run dozens) value Sportsmanship, Painting, and Army Composition (not bringing a win-at-all-cost cheesy army) at the same weight as game results. So wins and losses make up a whooping 25% of your score.
The idea is there is more to a hobby than just winning. If you can t appreciate the other aspects of BB and complain about having to spend slightly more than an afternoon slapping some paint on a dozen minis then, again, I re-iterate, I d just as soon not attend a tourney with that type of person.
Ten points is a ridiculously small number of points to be concerned with and from my experience, any kind of earnest effort will receive basically full points. This is not the Best Painted Competition... this is the does he care enough to put forth some kind of effort (or in Rob s case, is he willing to spend the big bucks for a great looking team cause he knows it enhances the game and the hobby... btw Rob, if yer talking about any of MY Best Painted Awards we re throwin down, sucka!)?
Zinak - May 12, 2006 - 12:19 PM
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Damm look what i started
Zinak
KarlLagerbottom - May 12, 2006 - 01:17 PM
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bampf wrote:
btw Rob, if yer talking about any of MY Best Painted Awards we re throwin down, sucka!)?
Err...umm... 
Well...You didn't officially win that award at the Krimpit Cup for some reason so...My Orcs were painted better than the team that won on that occassion. 
EDIT: And I don't know who won at Bashin' By The Bay, but my Gobbos are pretty sweet. (As Goblins go.... )
Spazzfist - May 12, 2006 - 01:42 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Well...You didn't officially win that award at the Krimpit Cup for some reason so...My Orcs were painted better than the team that won on that occassion.
EDIT: And I don't know who won at Bashin' By The Bay, but my Gobbos are pretty sweet. (As Goblins go....
)
And jumping in here wihtout having read anything else of this discussion brings me to two points:
1) We should get this thread back on track
2) Why are people allowed to win the best Painted award when they do not paint the models themselves? This to me seems a bit unfair. I think that I will be making efforts to rectify this for the Q'ermitt.
Hoshi_Komi - May 12, 2006 - 01:54 PM
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uh....rob doesn't win any best painted awards....
KarlLagerbottom - May 12, 2006 - 02:43 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:
And jumping in here wihtout having read anything else of this discussion brings me to two points:
1) We should get this thread back on track
2) Why are people allowed to win the best Painted award when they do not paint the models themselves? This to me seems a bit unfair. I think that I will be making efforts to rectify this for the Q'ermitt.
My official response:
1. BLUP BLUP BLUP
2. GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
My aren't we steadfast and officious. Perhaps Spazzfist no longer captures your essence Mr. Craig Esq.
EDIT: I just thought I'd throw this back in because I think you missed it on the last page:
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P.S. I myself can't pait at all, and get most of my creative itch scratched by modeling and conversions. That said...having a nicely painted team for me to play with...and for my opponent to play against...is very important to me. I will commission someone to paint my teams, or buy them pre-painted. Problem solved...that's the way I handle it and I don't begrudge the winners of "Best Painted" because I am not elidgable because I don't paint my own teams. (And BTW...sometimes the winner of that award at a given tourney doesn't have a better looking team than mine...it's just that I didn't paint it so I am not a candidate for that award. Oh Well.)
KarlLagerbottom - May 12, 2006 - 02:46 PM
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gken1 wrote:
uh....rob doesn't win any best painted awards....
This is true...and I am not fooling myself into thinking that I can paint...but if you look at the NAF Norse legacy teams...there are worse.
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AND WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING...we wouldn't want Spazzfist coming down on us for discussing anything but the Brouhaha is this thread.
...
nyarlathotep - May 12, 2006 - 03:01 PM
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I'll jump in here, although I don't intend to go the the Brouhaha; I like the way the painting rules are setup.
I notice that they are going to be the same at the Chaos Cup, which I do intend to attend.
The reasons why I like the painting rule is that it is easily quantifiable. Therefore, my 8-year old daughter (who has begun to play Bloodbowl) can paint to the standard required by these rules.
I personally don't enjoy playing metal teams. They are hard to see, and harder to identify players apart. I don't enjoy playing against them even more.
If the tournament organizer wants to help out my ability to see my opponent's players, and my opponents ability to discern which of my players is which by the use of some rules which anyone with 3 minutes and 2 different colored jars of paint (mix them for the third color) can attain, so much the better.
The way I look at it, if my opponent's minis aren't painted, he's valuing winning too much and I'll mark him down on his sportsmanship, regardless of whether there are painting points calculated into the final results.
Spazzfist - May 12, 2006 - 03:40 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
AND WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING...we wouldn't want Spazzfist coming down on us for discussing anything but the Brouhaha is this thread.
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Don't make me come down there!
ryltar - May 12, 2006 - 04:15 PM
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nyarlathotep wrote:
The reasons why I like the painting rule is that it is easily quantifiable. Therefore, my 8-year old daughter (who has begun to play Bloodbowl) can paint to the standard required by these rules.
If the tournament organizer wants to help out my ability to see my opponent's players, and my opponents ability to discern which of my players is which by the use of some rules which anyone with 3 minutes and 2 different colored jars of paint (mix them for the third color) can attain, so much the better.
Sadly this is not the case. 2 points are devoted to 'detailed painting' and 2 points are devoted to 'textured basing (not just painted)'. This is well above the means of 3 minutes and two jars of paint.
I do agree with your sentiment. I would actually prefer a 'your team must be painted three colors to play' rule over the current one (though I am not particularly inclined to have a painting rule at all). I don't think the 10 points really accomplishes what you are looking for. It just annoys people. It makes those without painted teams not show up rather than paint their teams. And it makes people not show up on principle.
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I personally don't enjoy playing metal teams. They are hard to see, and harder to identify players apart. I don't enjoy playing against them even more.
I don't either. It hurts my sensibilities. But I don't think that tourney points are going to get the desired effect, regardless of whether you consider the 10 points a bonus or a penalty.
I guess this is all moot anyway, as Malifaxis has said he wont change the rule. It is unfortunate because while it is meant well I don't think it will have the desired effect.
And just so everyone knows, I am sick of hearing 'its just ten points'. It is the LAMEST argument ever. This is a tourney. There is no number of points awarded that could not make or break someone's victory (and if there was, then those points shouldn't be awarded).
Greg
KarlLagerbottom - May 12, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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ryltar wrote:
And just so everyone knows, I am sick of hearing 'its just ten points'. It is the LAMEST argument ever. This is a tourney. There is no number of points awarded that could not make or break someone's victory (and if there was, then those points shouldn't be awarded).
Greg
Greg-
Personally, and try not to take this too harshly...I think it is much lamer to belabour the point when you yourself state that you prefer playing with painted minis yourself.
There are plenty of reasons why people will, or won't, make it to a tournament. Just like everything else...it is what it is. Make your decision to go based on what the rules/environment will be and leave it at that.
Your statement that that people's opinions are "lame" has a fairly negative tone...especially considering how folks chafed at the earlier comment dismissing the views of those who prefer playing over painting.
-RobO
Zinak - May 12, 2006 - 08:48 PM
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'its just ten points'
Zinak
ryltar - May 13, 2006 - 01:09 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
ryltar wrote:
And just so everyone knows, I am sick of hearing 'its just ten points'. It is the LAMEST argument ever. This is a tourney. There is no number of points awarded that could not make or break someone's victory (and if there was, then those points shouldn't be awarded).
Greg
Greg-
Personally, and try not to take this too harshly...I think it is much lamer to belabour the point when you yourself state that you prefer playing with painted minis yourself.
There are plenty of reasons why people will, or won't, make it to a tournament. Just like everything else...it is what it is. Make your decision to go based on what the rules/environment will be and leave it at that.
Your statement that that people's opinions are "lame" has a fairly negative tone...especially considering how folks chafed at the earlier comment dismissing the views of those who prefer playing over painting.
-RobO
EDIT: objectionable - self edited
I apologize I didn't make what I meant clear. I said the discussion was moot. I accept the fact that its Malifax's show, and he can run it however he wants to. I felt it would be of use to let him know how I felt, and how that may affect my decision to come. Despite this event being right in my back yard, with a principal objection to the painting score and considering several people (not you RobO) seeming to take a very poor approach to this kind of discussion I don't currently feel inclined. If you want to brand me as one of them based on my lame comment fine. If they want to consider me 'no big loss' then I think I will be the one not losing.
But seriously, I do ask the organizer, and those others commenting on the subject of 'just ten points' to seriously think about what they are trying to accomplish. Thus far turning me off from attending has worked quite well (thank you Zinak for driving the point home). If it is 'just ten points', as in they really don't consider it a loss, what level of motivation will it provide for anyone to attend the event with a painted team as opposed to an unpainted one (which is supposed to be the goal)? How much of these 'just ten points' are going to really reward someone who does chose to go out of his way to attend with a painted team? I have fully painted teams... well, one that meets all the standards at any rate, and if you wanted to apply the 'representative' clause I'd lose all four as my elves are painted as drow (no such thing in BloodHammer world). Those ten points, even with me likely getting many if not all of them, still make me seriously consider whether I chose to invest time in this event. In theory the 'just ten points' are there to make people paint their teams. Are you really accomplishing this? Are you sufficiently motivating? Are you just dissuaiding enough to accomplish what I would hope is the least desirable effect - that is reduce the number of people interested in attending your event?
To be more civil than 'lame', take my statement to have been: Noting the smallness of a penalty is not justification for it.
If Zinak, Malifaxis, or whoever want to give me reasons why they think the 10 points is justified, I welcome comments like that (and have even seen some). But justifying the points as 'a mere 10 points' is dismissive and I think rude. Its an argument a kindergardner could have come up with. Again I am saying I've seen decent justifications (that I disagree with) here as to why those points are there, even if sometimes I had to infer from their statements. I just wish they would consider the situation beyond the level of simply dismissing my qualm as irrelevant (especially if they want this 'irrelevant' qualm to motivate people to paint their teams). I hope they choose to think on this matter, I am not asking them to agree with me, in fact I don't expect it. Just think about it a little.
I will skip trying to make an argument about ten points not being small because I doubt they would be swayed.
I also ask them to consider my thoughts, and the oppinions posted by gken1 and Uthrac. I invite anyone who feels motivated to paint his or her team specifically for those ten points to speak up. This is what their 'just ten points' have accomplished thus far.
I hope I didn't insult anyone I tried to keep it positive.
Now I open the floor to Zinak to take more cheapshots at me at his leisure. I'll leave it to y'all to discuss.
Greg
bampf - May 13, 2006 - 07:38 PM
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So not wanting to invest a few hours in a hobby you supposedly love is akin to being owned by another human being? Well, your noble desire to dig an Underground Railroad for your bare metal mini brethren is impressive, indeed.
Wow, and 'just 10 points' is a lame argument?
If you don t see the point of putting some kind of real value on an important aspect of the hobby that adds to the enjoyment of all and want to nitpick about rules that are in place for most NAF sanctioned tourneys then, by all accounts, you re really making yourself sound like the kind of person who is not fun to have at a tourney. The point of these things is to have fun... if you are taking such a ridiculously disproportional stance over a very mere 10 points then you re establishing yourself as someone who is not going to add to the tourney.
The real reason we drive 8 hours to Beantown (besides for Fire and Ice) is to hang out and have fun with the cool people we wouldn t otherwise ever meet. Ergo, my initial comment of no big loss.
Clan_Skaven - May 13, 2006 - 09:51 PM
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Ok I'm far to lazy to read the whole argument (man thats really lazy )
I will just state my opinion on the topic.
I say that all teams should be eligable for the 10 points for painting scores.
But if you did not paint your team you should not be in for best painted! (ya you still get points for painting just no awards for best painted)
Agree or disagree....
Thats how I see it.
Rod
Zinak - May 14, 2006 - 02:26 AM
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consider slavery. If you are a white man in 1850s South, you are safe. Should you therefore not be rankled by the enslavement of your fellow darker skinned human beings?
All I can say is WOW!!!!! I can t find any way that painting up some minis for a tourny can be anything like slavery..... reaching for something I would guess...
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Now I open the floor to Zinak to take more cheapshots at me at his leisure.
I have yet to take a cheap shot at you and really don t want to waste my time doing it.
As far as I am concerned "Its still just 10 points" Masta!!!
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The point of these things is to have fun... if you are taking such a ridiculously disproportional stance over a very mere 10 points then you re establishing yourself as someone who is not going to add to the tourney.
Perfect!!
Zinak
KarlLagerbottom - May 14, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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Yeah...lets move on to a far more important topic...FIRE AND ICE!!!!
I think that anyone who doesn't eat one meal at Fire And Ice the weekend of the Brouhaha sould be deducted 11 points.
I know that 11 points might seem alot, but if having slaves counts for 10, I can't really go much over that so...11 it is.
DISCLAIMER: This thread is by no means meant as making light of Slavery as a concept or the cause of a social condition. I am merely further reinforcing the magnitude of the ridiculousness of evoking it in a discussion over Blood Bowl tournament points.
Ryltar: Your preface warning that you were about to "Blow Out Of Poportion" the discussion thread...is not really good enough. That smacks of an after thought when you realised that slavery is not quite comparing apples to apples in a thread of a hobby site. What you should have done instead...was hold of on your reply all together until you had come up with a better analogy.
ryltar - May 14, 2006 - 08:57 AM
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My sincerest apologies. It was late, it was poor judgement.
I removed the reference. The disclaimer was there before the edit... (note how Zinak's quote starts with a small case letter, because he cut out that part of the sentence) I still removed the whole thing, because it was a poor choice.
Point was, just because you aren't affected by a ruling, you shouldn't accept it if you think it is objectionable.
Again, sorry. 
Since I am bothering to post, bampf and Zinak, I am sorry to have distracted you form my point with what was a poorly thought out opening. It was late, like 3 AM. Things happen.
The point I was trying to make is 10 points wont do what you want it to. It'll annoy people. It wont make them paint their teams. The Eucalyptus Bowl penalizes you 6 points per game (out of 30 pts for a win) for an unpainted team. THAT would motivate someone to paint a team. 10 points out of 300... well that just got me to walk into my own trap So our 'mere 10 points' isn't doing what you want it to, and it isn't in line with what I would be interested in.
But like I said, its Malifax's show. I was, perhaps foolishly, just trying to give him another perspective on the event.
Just make sure they get all your fish cooked all the way through at Fire and Ice - some of my friends have had some bad experiences there. That way you get your 11 points, and you can go back for the second day of games!
Greg
Uthrac - May 15, 2006 - 06:27 AM
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Sadly, what could have been a constructive discussion has turned into the usual - - nobody effectively listening, or even attempting to understand, someone else's point of view. Just dig-in your heels and make smart remarks intended to enflame others.
To summarize my POV, I will not be attending events where "painting is used as a scoring tiebreaker." I have many teams which would earn all 10 points - - at no time have I pushed to field 11 carboard squares - - but I object to the principle.
I sincerely hope that everyone who attends has a great time at the tournament. I feel that it's important that you know the reasons people choose not to attend events, as this gives you the opportunity to change the format in the future, if you so choose.
You need to understand that you are losing potential [local] players because of the current painting scoring guidelines, and because of the negativity expressed by a few outspoken members on this thread.
If anything, you should be grateful that there are people who will tell you what can be done to "improve" (i.e. make an event more "accessable") then just sit in silence and not come.
Do as you will with the information.
~Uthrac
Shane - May 15, 2006 - 11:38 AM
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To Uthrac:
--->I think a boycott of point-bonus system is "making the Perfect the enemy of the Good." While I concur with your ideas on accessibility and increase of local player pool size, the point-bonus variety is by far superior to non-painters when compared to the "must be painted or you can't play" rule, which is the other option used in some NAF tourneys (see the recent NA Cup rulebook.)
A separation of Paint and Game is ideal, but the point score compromise is exactly that, a compromise. Staunch Hobbyists aren't guaranteed that every team they play will be up for Best Painted (or even painted at all,) but can take solace in their opponent being nominally penalized for "not caring about the hobby," while Gamers can play in a larger pool of players without worrying they'll be kicked out for not having their whole team based, at a cost of a very low percent chance of the tourney outcome being altered by a painting score.
--->Alternately, any interest on DP's part in having it's own tournament some other weekend?
Melifaxis - May 15, 2006 - 11:52 AM
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Da Rulez wrote:
A portion of the tournament points will be awarded based upon team painting and presentation. Up to 10 points are awarded based on the criteria below. The official tournament judges will evaluate each team based on these 4 points and not on the aesthetics of the team. This means that any painter of any standard can gain the maximum ten points if he/she puts in the effort and follows the guidelines below. All judges decisions are final.
Based ??? 2 points: All the bases in the team, including sideline staff, are painted and or textured in some manner. Just being painted green is not enough.
Painted ??? 2 points: The team is painted. All models must have at least 3 colors on them. Undercoats must not be visible.
Detailed ??? 2 points: All models have had the details painted in a variety of colors or with noticeable effects. This can be shading or highlighting etc. This discriminates between the merely painted team and the team that has had attention paid to it.
Representative ??? 4 points: All models on the team are representative of the race and position that they are meant to portray. Extra weapons that are not part of a finished and painted figure should be removed. This does not mean that you must use official Blood Bowl miniatures. Only that an Ogre should look like an Ogre, a Dwarf should look like a Dwarf, etc
Important: In order to get the points, all models in the team must fulfill the criteria. If even one model fails, the points will not be awarded.
ryltar wrote:
I have fully painted teams... well, one that meets all the standards at any rate, and if you wanted to apply the 'representative' clause I'd lose all four as my elves are painted as drow (no such thing in BloodHammer world).
Greg
Your high elves got 10 points at ArisiaBowl based on the exact same system. I'm curious as to how it has now become an objectionable system based upon the foundations of principle.
The color scheme any coach chooses is irrelevant. Paint your high elves, dwarves, or orcs like a troupe of circus clowns or mimes, paint your dwarves like dreugar, or paint your beastmen with hideous pink fur; you just have to meet the criteria laid out in the rules.
While I do appreciate the feedback, I dont think the argument for change is strong enough. In looking at these rules again, I will making a correction/clarification in specifying that all players must be numbered.
Uthrac - May 15, 2006 - 12:28 PM
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To Uthrac:
--->I think a boycott of point-bonus system is "making the Perfect the enemy of the Good." While I concur with your ideas on accessibility and increase of local player pool size, the point-bonus variety is by far superior to non-painters when compared to the "must be painted or you can't play" rule, which is the other option used in some NAF tourneys (see the recent NA Cup rulebook.)
A separation of Paint and Game is ideal, but the point score compromise is exactly that, a compromise. Staunch Hobbyists aren't guaranteed that every team they play will be up for Best Painted (or even painted at all,) but can take solace in their opponent being nominally penalized for "not caring about the hobby," while Gamers can play in a larger pool of players without worrying they'll be kicked out for not having their whole team based, at a cost of a very low percent chance of the tourney outcome being altered by a painting score.
Very well put. Thank you.
I think what puts me off the most about the current painting rules is the depth . . . they really begin to read as criteria for a "painting award" than "encouragement to paint." I presume that the goal of "painting points" is to encourage coaches to bring a painted team. As Greg asked earler, have these rules encouraged anyone to improve the appearance of their team? [Not a rhetorical question . . .] "Representitive and at least 3 colors" seems sufficient painting guidelines to me, but that's my opinion.
Also, and I want to be clear on this, I don't want anyone to boycott the tournament. My personal feeling is that painting should not be used as part of the tournament score. {I would actually prefer sportsmanship } As such, I feel it would be hypocritical of me to attend/support such an event. But that's a personal decision, and I certainly don't begrudge those who have no problem with the rules and want to have a good time!
There's nothing "wrong" with using painting as part of the tournament score {. . . or sportsmanship, using official GW models, having an interesting team name, wearing funny hats, or anything else you'd like to include to encourage that everyone has a good time!}, it just isn't right for me. There may be others who feel the same way, there may not. However, that does not effect my personal feelings, or my decision not to participate. Certainly, there are no hard feelings on my end, and I hope nobody else involved harbors any.
Shane wrote:
--->Alternately, any interest on DP's part in having it's own tournament some other weekend?
I know there are folks looking into this, and I may or may not be part of those plans. We'd certainly try to space things out on the calendar, balancing between our own league schedule, Beantown, and Arisa!
Thanks again, Shane, for making me feel "heard" and for offering a constructive, well-written counter-point. Good luck at the tournament!
May all your rolls be Splat!, and may you always break armor.
~Uthrac[/i]
bampf - May 15, 2006 - 01:17 PM
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Good job with your grand moral stand over 10 points that you would have earned anyway. We understand your argument, it s just counter to everything the tourney and hobby represents to most of us. Sorry it s so hard for you to see that we d just as soon not play with someone so stuck up on such minor "compromises" (as Shane very eloquently put it).
Personally, we d rather come to Boston and have a fun time with fun opponents.
In any case, Melifaxis, I heartily apologize for co-opting your thread for such an inane discussion. The Mafia is looking to improve upon our attendance of 4 from last year... the plan is to rent a van and pack it as full of BBers as we can... we ll call it the Fossey Express (RobO, you need a pickup?).
Any word on that Fire and Ice sponsorship?
KarlLagerbottom - May 15, 2006 - 02:05 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:
In looking at these rules again, I will making a correction/clarification in specifying that all players must be numbered.
Mel-
I think this is a good addition from both sides of the fence. I'm sure the Game-ist side of the coin will agree that this is a fair addition so that players with skills are more easy to identify when they are numbered. (at least)
-RobO
KarlLagerbottom - May 15, 2006 - 02:07 PM
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bampf wrote:
(RobO, you need a pickup?).
Let me see if Jaylazer is planning on attending this year, and I'll follow-up with you...thanks for asking...time is getting away from me a bit.
Uthrac - May 15, 2006 - 02:25 PM
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It's detrimental comments like this:
bampf wrote:
So no big loss
and this:
bampf wrote:
. . . we d just as soon not play with someone so stuck up on such minor "compromises".
and this:
bampf wrote:
Personally, we d rather come to Boston and have a fun time with fun opponents.
that speak volumes of you and the other participants (I'll assume plural since you refered to "we.") Since you have never played a game with me, you're hardly qualified to determined how "fun" I am. *shrug*
Your comments, which have directly attacked not only me, but others who have posted, reflect poorly on an event which boasts "good sportsmanship," "inclusion," and "fun for all." Others have said they would not enjoy playing in a tournament against players who don't care about the painting aspect, . . . far more importantly, I would not play in a tournament where someone with your poor attitude was in attendance.
You are perfectly in your right to disagree with my ideas and ideals. Your delivery, however, crosses the line into "poor sportsmanship."
Good luck to you in the tournament!
~Uthrac
KarlLagerbottom - May 15, 2006 - 02:44 PM
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This thread has inspired me...if I am able to make this tourney I think I'll call my team The Dead Horse Beaters.
I even have some of the players names sorted out.
-RobO
P.S. I think I may use unnumbered/unpainted Dungeonbowl Dwarfs to demonstrate my love for the game of Blood Bowl.
EDIT: Good luck to those who can't figure out which playes are the blitzers...runners...slayers.
"NO! This was the Blitzer with Strip Ball...this other guy was the blitzer with Mighty Blow and guard. By the way here is my pass action now that the ball is on the ground...sure hands...YES that is my Runner with PASS...and no he didn't just knock down your Gutter Runner using Tackle."
bampf - May 15, 2006 - 04:29 PM
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Ah, the poor poor horse. I think we ve pretty much figured out how much fun you are. You ve already stated your intent to boycott (of which we are overjoyed) why are you still posting on a Beantown thread?
Rob- I ll see how big a van we can get. Perhaps we can fit a Philly contingent as well. We ll see.
Zinak - May 15, 2006 - 05:10 PM
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"its just 10 points"
WE
Hoshi_Komi - May 15, 2006 - 05:55 PM
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Uthrac wrote:
that speak volumes of you and the other participants (I'll assume plural since you refered to "we.") Since you have never played a game with me, you're hardly qualified to determined how "fun" I am. *shrug*
you guys might have played each other at the NA CUP.
CyberHare - May 15, 2006 - 07:32 PM
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So is it 10 or 11 points for eating at Fire and Ice?
Honestly I'm not sure what you guy's see in that place. We ate there last year and after waiting in line 15 minutes to have my food cooked it wasn't bad but nothing fantastic. Then I guess it is hard to stand up to the Montreal standards of dinning out
June 17th and 18th eh. And SBG is out. I'm guess that means if I can't make it MTL might not be represented this year It's going to be a tough sell to the wife though. After she heard I wanted to head back to England next March she pretty much squashed most of my tourney plans. I'll see what I can do.
KarlLagerbottom - May 15, 2006 - 07:40 PM
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CyberHare wrote:
...15 minutes to have my food cooked it wasn't bad but nothing fantastic. ...
To each his own, but how many resturants are you getting served in less that 15 minutes?
Now THIS is really gonna heat-up if you bash Fire And Ice.
CyberHare - May 16, 2006 - 04:15 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
To each his own, but how many restaurants are you getting served in less that 15 minutes?
Now THIS is really gonna heat-up if you bash Fire And Ice.
I'd have to say I'm served at most restaurants in less than 15 minutes depending on what I order. But even then if it does take longer than 15 minutes I'm being served, not waiting in line. Knowing it'll take a little amount of time to get the meal I'll usually have a salad or some other entree. Anyway I'm not trying to put the place down. It was cool to see them cook the food right there.
Uthrac - May 16, 2006 - 06:29 AM
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bampf wrote:
why are you still posting on a Beantown thread?
Point taken.
Melifaxis - May 16, 2006 - 10:52 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
I say that all teams should be eligable for the 10 points for painting scores.
But if you did not paint your team you should not be in for best painted! (ya you still get points for painting just no awards for best painted)
That's how it works
bampf - May 16, 2006 - 12:15 PM
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CyberHare... what are you doing? We had established a semblance of peace around here and now you re dissing the Holy Mecca for which we devout pilgrims travel to every year? Now you re really rankling feathers. Zinak s fury will be of Biblical ferocity.
Also SBG and his crew still have an invite on the table to crash with the Mafia.
BB_Babe - May 17, 2006 - 12:46 PM
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Uthrac wrote:
I think what puts me off the most about the current painting rules is the depth . . . they really begin to read as criteria for a "painting award" than "encouragement to paint." I presume that the goal of "painting points" is to encourage coaches to bring a painted team. As Greg asked earler, have these rules encouraged anyone to improve the appearance of their team? [Not a rhetorical question . . .] "Representitive and at least 3 colors" seems sufficient painting guidelines to me, but that's my opinion.
Just catching up on the thread here. Yes, painting has encouraged better appearance. I know Tony was working to get his Norse up to minimal specs for ArisiaBowl. He didn't quite finish in time, but got some points for his effort. For myself, I've added some flocking weeds to my astrogranite painted bases for teams I bring to tourneys.
I think the GW just automatically carried the flocking thing over from their battlefield games that use model terrain and flocking looks good for those. For me, a painted base is just fine on a cardboard or astrogranite pitch.
As TO, I do like painting points to encourage a more festive playing environment for the benefit of players and spectators. At ArisiaBowl I always scored in favour of the player if I had a shadow of a doubt on painting. As for representative, I'll score that very loosely too as long as the figs look plausible. There was no question at all about Greg's Elves. It doesn't matter at all if GW has Drow or Paisley Elves or whatever -- they were elves. I'll score for representative as long as most people don't giggle when you try to explain what your team is supposed to be. Orc vampires and Goblin thralls? -- sure -- as long as the orcs have capes or fangs or something to look vampy. An ogre figure for a troll? -- if its painted with rocky-looking skin or some other obvious detailing that makes it clear it was intended to represent a troll on your team, sure. Dwarf figures as your overfed hirsute pygmy elves -- no.
As a practical matter, I like Rob's idea for requiring numbers, especially for any tourney that allows skills to be added. For ArisiaBowl next year, I will ponder streamlining the painting points down to the real basics for minimum appearance:
* 2 points: all figures painted with at least 3 colours.
* 2 points: each figure stylistically representative of their race. Conversions or painting details may be used to deliberately modify figures to suit the race you are using them for.
* 1 point: all bases painted or flocked.
* 1 point: each player's number visible on the figure or base.
* 0 points: additional detail painting on all figures (no points, but required for consideration for best painted team award).
Now for my non-rhetorical question: is there anyone we know of who is actually staying away from tournaments because they do not have or wish to acquire a minimally painted team? If so, I have a bunch of painted teams I'd be willing to loan out for the Brouhaha (or ArisiaBowl, or any tourney I'm at). With enough advance notice, I'll even try to make sure the bases get a bit of flocking in time.
Cheers,
Maureen
Bampf, please don't be so rude. Personally, I would prefer to see Dan and Greg come to the tourney. There's no need to bring up gratuitous hostility if you disagree with them.
bampf - May 17, 2006 - 12:59 PM
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Wasn t me, it was Zinak.
Melifaxis - May 19, 2006 - 12:35 PM
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bampf wrote:
Any word on that Fire and Ice sponsorship?
Not yet, but I popped them a reminder that I was waiting for a response.
Any other questions?
Hoshi_Komi - May 21, 2006 - 07:04 PM
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i hear the kings want their hand back..........
Melifaxis - May 22, 2006 - 08:04 AM
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I hear a lot of former champions pine for lost glory
KarlLagerbottom - May 22, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
I hear a lot of former champions pine for lost glory
Yep...poor Yzerman.
Melifaxis - May 22, 2006 - 12:57 PM
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Wow, remind me to be merciless if we play each other again.
Maybe someday you'll know what its like to win a championship, and can then experience the wooden spoon in a whole new light...
edit: fixed typo
KarlLagerbottom - May 22, 2006 - 02:06 PM
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Don't worry...I have my Fallen Hero too. Scott Stevens was taken from me in a flash...no warning, no farewell tour...just GONE. :sigh:
But I digress...
Bring it Necro Boy...you have some vengance coming your way after our match-up at the first Brouhaha. (Or perhaps...that match was YOUR revenge for 1995.)
SBG - May 28, 2006 - 07:35 PM
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Woooo! That thread went berserk in the last couple of weeks!
First: painting.
I agree with the painting rules. Bob, who played the Dwarven Kings last year, is a friend of mine and his team was spray-painted Black, and he still got points, which surprised me, but at the same time showed showed me how this is not a punitive measure. He knew it, and was looking forward a 0. Done.
Second: attendance.
Guys, I really thank you for the offers (staying with the Mafia, free tourney from the organizewr becuase I'm such a great addition to any tourney.... wait! Maybe that wasn't the reason!), but really, this year won't be good for me. It's really a pain and I will really have a bad weekend on the 17 and 18. But life had other plans for me this year I guess and I'll get back stronger next year!
Have a great tourney and I really hope I'll se you all at the Deathbowl this Fall...
Fred
Zinak - May 29, 2006 - 09:21 PM
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just 10 points
Melifaxis - May 30, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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No worries Fred, I'll delete you from the list and look forward to seeing you in the fall or next year
bampf - May 30, 2006 - 01:12 PM
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We ll catch ya next year SBG.
Does mean that there s a better chance of The Hand staying in the US where it belongs!
Melifaxis - May 31, 2006 - 07:31 AM
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Same odds methinks. After all the good old US of A has a perfect record thus far
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 01, 2006 - 09:43 PM
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can't wait
Melifaxis - Jun 08, 2006 - 01:02 PM
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9 days!!!
Spazzfist - Jun 08, 2006 - 01:51 PM
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Good luck to you Mel! One of these days I will make it down for the Brouhaha!
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 08, 2006 - 04:36 PM
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seems like the only way to get any talking on this thread is to mention Painting points.
Clan_Skaven - Jun 08, 2006 - 05:06 PM
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gken1 wrote:
seems like the only way to get any talking on this thread is to mention Painting points.
Ya but you don't deserve any, lol u don't paint
ding ding round two!
Rod
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 08, 2006 - 06:21 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
well if you show up to the tourney, I'll spot u the 10 pts.
ding ding Knock Out!!!
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 08, 2006 - 06:25 PM
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gken1 wrote:
Clan-Skaven wrote:
well if you show up to the tourney, I'll spot u the 10 pts.
ding ding Knock Out!!!
Hey...thats the JOKE! 2006 World Champion you're talking to there Ken. Have some respect ok?
Sorry Rod...this is just too much fun.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 11, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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Less than a week away...AWWWW YEAH!!!!
Fire And Ice better stock up!
CyberHare - Jun 12, 2006 - 05:45 AM
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Less than a week away and I can't go. Have a good time guys. The Scarlet Mist will return!
Melifaxis - Jun 12, 2006 - 09:29 AM
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Sad to hear you cant make it Brian
Hopefully I'll see you in MTL in the fall though.
I guess this does open up a great opportunity for someone else to be the bridesmaid in the final round though!!
CyberHare - Jun 12, 2006 - 10:24 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
I guess this does open up a great opportunity for someone else to be the bridesmaid in the final round though!!
Nooo! that's my spot. Arrgh I'll be kicking myself next week for not going.
Clan_Skaven - Jun 12, 2006 - 02:03 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
gken1 wrote:
Clan-Skaven wrote:
well if you show up to the tourney, I'll spot u the 10 pts.
ding ding Knock Out!!!
Hey...thats the
JOKE! 2006 World Champion you're talking to there Ken. Have some respect ok?
Sorry Rod...this is just too much fun.
Ok so I won the 2006 SPIKE with not much compitition, but I still won a tourney!!!!
Lagerbottom besides a various amount of Wooden Spoons, what have you won at a tourney?
I'll remind you I have never won the coveted Wooden Spoon that you so often embrace!
So call my winning the 2006 SPIKE a joke all you want,.....
But whats worse? Me winning the 2006 SPIKE with little opposition or you finnishing dead last in multiple tourneys?
I just can't see how you can attempt to poke fun at me, when your own BB prizes are nothing more than the prize they award to last place. (& if that was not a terrible enough prize, you have won it multiple times!)
So Rob, if it makes you feel better to poke fun at my winning a tourney, then go with it have your fun! Cause I have never finnished dead last at a tourney & I don't think you have ever won one. So I really do not understand how you (of all people here on NAF) would have the justification to mock me!
"From up here atop the throne of the 2006 SPIKE..... I do not think I can see far enough down to see the all time champion of the Wooden Spoon (Mr. Lagerbottom)"
Sorry Rob, trust me your BB skills are just too funny!
Rod
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 12, 2006 - 02:36 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Ok so I won the 2006 SPIKE with not much compitition, but I still won a tourney!!!!
Lagerbottom besides a various amount of Wooden Spoons, what have you won at a tourney?
I'll remind you I have never won the coveted Wooden Spoon that you so often embrace!
So call my winning the 2006 SPIKE a joke all you want,.....
But whats worse? Me winning the 2006 SPIKE with little opposition or you finnishing dead last in multiple tourneys?
I just can't see how you can attempt to poke fun at me, when your own BB prizes are nothing more than the prize they award to last place. (& if that was not a terrible enough prize, you have won it multiple times!)
So Rob, if it makes you feel better to poke fun at my winning a tourney, then go with it have your fun! Cause I have never finnished dead last at a tourney & I don't think you have ever won one. So I really do not understand how you (of all people here on NAF) would have the justification to mock me!
"From up here atop the throne of the 2006 SPIKE..... I do not think I can see far enough down to see the all time champion of the Wooden Spoon (Mr. Lagerbottom)"
Sorry Rob, trust me your BB skills are just too funny!
Rod
Let me start by saying that I won 2 games at my first ever tourney...while you took multiple tourneys before you won a single game. This is by your own admission.
Now I don't know what circus time tourneys that you were going to where you can win 0 games and not finish in last...but there it is.
Maybe it was just before they started awarding Wooden Spoons, or the TOs were afraid to award a spoon to someone who is 6'6"...but just the same...if your banter from 2004 was accurate, your first tourney wins were at the Spike in 2004 where you started 0-2 and then swept the bottom half of the standings to finish 3-2.
I will then remind you that I won the RAT BOWL 2005 at GenCon...sure this was not widely lauded or attended...but it was a blast and I played against Gken1, Ben, and JayLazer. I am clearly the worst player amongst the 4, but I won...so there.
Finally, I beat you in our only head-to-head game. So enjoy your view from the JOKE! 2006 Crapper of Stank...I rather win the spoon at a decently attended tourney than win the Blood Bowl equivalent of Bumper Pool.
EDIT: I thought I'd post the link to your tourney record to demonstrate my point...three tournies before a single win.
http://www.bloodbowl.net/naf.php?page=tournamentinfo&uname=Clan-Skaven
If my math is correct...that's 0-11 in your first NAF Ranked Tourney games.
Clan_Skaven - Jun 12, 2006 - 03:01 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Clan-Skaven wrote:
Ok so I won the 2006 SPIKE with not much compitition, but I still won a tourney!!!!
Lagerbottom besides a various amount of Wooden Spoons, what have you won at a tourney?
I'll remind you I have never won the coveted Wooden Spoon that you so often embrace!
So call my winning the 2006 SPIKE a joke all you want,.....
But whats worse? Me winning the 2006 SPIKE with little opposition or you finnishing dead last in multiple tourneys?
I just can't see how you can attempt to poke fun at me, when your own BB prizes are nothing more than the prize they award to last place. (& if that was not a terrible enough prize, you have won it multiple times!)
So Rob, if it makes you feel better to poke fun at my winning a tourney, then go with it have your fun! Cause I have never finnished dead last at a tourney & I don't think you have ever won one. So I really do not understand how you (of all people here on NAF) would have the justification to mock me!
"From up here atop the throne of the 2006 SPIKE..... I do not think I can see far enough down to see the all time champion of the Wooden Spoon (Mr. Lagerbottom)"
Sorry Rob, trust me your BB skills are just too funny!
Rod
Let me start by saying that I won 2 games at my first ever tourney...while you took multiple tourneys before you won a single game. This is by your own admission.
Now I don't know what circus time tourneys that you were going to where you can win 0 games and not finish in last...but there it is.
Maybe it was just before they started awarding Wooden Spoons, or the TOs were afraid to award a spoon to someone who is 6'6"...but just the same...if your banter from 2004 was accurate, your first tourney wins were at the Spike in 2004 where you started 0-2 and then swept the bottom half of the standings to finish 3-2.
I will then remind you that I won the RAT BOWL 2005 at GenCon...sure this was not widely lauded or attended...but it was a blast and I played against Gken1, Ben, and JayLazer. I am clearly the worst player amongst the 4, but I won...so there.
Finally, I beat you in our only head-to-head game. So enjoy your view from the JOKE! 2006 Crapper of Stank...I rather win the spoon at a decently attended tourney than win the Blood Bowl equivalent of Bumper Pool.
EDIT: I thought I'd post the link to your tourney record to demonstrate my point...three tournies before a single win.
http://www.bloodbowl.net/naf.php?page=tournamentinfo&uname=Clan-Skaven
If my math is correct...that's 0-11 in your first NAF Ranked Tourney games.
For your info my 1st tourney I did win a match but it was vs a non NAF coach. I beat Chaos 2-1
& the so called circus time tourney that i attended was the 2004 CDN Open where I went 0-1-4 & finnished 27th out of 28
not a record to be proud of, but not last & not the Lagerbottomspoon (I mean woodenspoon.)
I'll admit I did lose to you in our only game, but as you have stated earlier about my winning the 2006 SPIKE, BB is a dice game. So since it is a dice game I guess even the likes of me can win the SPIKE, & with that also the likes of you can also beat me.
So try & say your best ......
I'm still the 2006 SPIKE Champ....
Your still the all time SPOONMAN!
Rod.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 12, 2006 - 03:21 PM
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Nice Avatar Champ...what was the reason for your multiple "haircuts" have been? Because you're a good player?
1-0 Vs You my man...I guess you're lucky I didn'y show up.
I guess that makes me the defacto champ!
Yay Me...at least you're not the only one with a meaningless victory.
---
You're right though...I can't take away the fact that you won the tourney...so enjoy it.
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EDIT: Plus...it's not really meaningless...as long as GW decides to string along Blood Bowl...you are the winner of one of their majors.
Spazzfist - Jun 12, 2006 - 03:23 PM
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Boys! Can't we all get along?
Karl, Rod is right, you do have more wooden spoons than a halfling kitchen.
Rod, Karl is right. You do suck! No analogies, just bare facts.
Now let's join hands and sing a round of kumbaya
The big question here is, who is going to sponsor Rod to get him down to the Brouhaha so he and Lagerbottom can duke it out for bottom place at the tourney!
Spazzfist
The TRUE Spike! champion!
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 12, 2006 - 03:32 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:
Boys! Can't we all get along?
Karl, Rod is right, you do have more wooden spoons than a halfling kitchen.
Rod, Karl is right. You do suck! No analogies, just bare facts.
Now let's join hands and sing a round of
kumbaya
The big question here is, who is going to sponsor Rod to get him down to the Brouhaha so he and Lagerbottom can duke it out for bottom place at the tourney!
EDIT: Rod...you should try to make it town to Boston this weekend. The Blood Bowl is good, but Fire and Ice makes it worth the trip!
Spazzfist
The
TRUE Spike! champion!
Lets not forget the MAX victory I had over your hapless Orks at Spike 2004. Shame Sure Hands doesn't work in the rain Spazz-mo.
Spazzfist - Jun 12, 2006 - 04:22 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Lets not forget the MAX victory I had over your hapless Orks at Spike 2004. Shame Sure Hands doesn't work in the rain Spazz-mo.
what do you mean by "max" victory? I don't think it was that impressive.....
But like you said, it was like marching when I was trying to pick up the ball (1,2,1,2,1,2) Grrrr! Stupid cursed tournament!!
But I do recall a win over your at the Q'ermitt n'est pas?
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 12, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:
KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Lets not forget the MAX victory I had over your hapless Orks at Spike 2004. Shame Sure Hands doesn't work in the rain Spazz-mo.
what do you mean by "max" victory? I don't think it was that impressive.....
But like you said, it was like marching when I was trying to pick up the ball (1,2,1,2,1,2)
Grrrr! Stupid cursed tournament!!
But I do recall a win over your at the Q'ermitt n'est pas?
Max Victory = 70 Point Win
Won by 2 TDs and out CASed you by 2>
Yep, I remember that game at CoQ...that doesn't count.
Melifaxis - Jun 13, 2006 - 07:47 AM
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I think the haircut challenge must be between you two at the Brouhaha...whover does worse...
Clan_Skaven - Jun 13, 2006 - 08:02 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:
I think the haircut challenge must be between you two at the Brouhaha...whover does worse...
Two resons that won't work, I can't make it there & Lagerbottom doesn't have enough hair to ante up to the bet....
Rod.
Melifaxis - Jun 13, 2006 - 08:13 AM
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Wait, all this trash talk and you're not coming?
Get outta mah thread!
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 13, 2006 - 09:31 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Melifaxis wrote:
I think the haircut challenge must be between you two at the Brouhaha...whover does worse...
Two resons that won't work, I can't make it there & Lagerbottom doesn't have enough hair to ante up to the bet....
Rod.
Now that's a low blow...but I'll take the high road and stay away from making a personal attack. ROD!
Clan_Skaven - Jun 13, 2006 - 09:58 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Clan-Skaven wrote:
Melifaxis wrote:
I think the haircut challenge must be between you two at the Brouhaha...whover does worse...
Two resons that won't work, I can't make it there & Lagerbottom doesn't have enough hair to ante up to the bet....
Rod.
Now that's a low blow...but I'll take the high road and stay away from making a personal attack. ROD!
Nahh, if it was a low blow I would have commented on your hieght!
Seriously if I offended you Rob, I'm sorry.
Rod.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 13, 2006 - 10:02 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Nahh, if it was a
low blow I would have commented on your hieght!
Seriously if I offended you Rob, I'm sorry.
Rod.
No offense taken...I just think I'll cut it short before I offend the 6'6" guy with my 5'9" smart@ss Italian Mouth.
-Rob
Clan_Skaven - Jun 13, 2006 - 10:38 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
Clan-Skaven wrote:
Nahh, if it was a
low blow I would have commented on your hieght!
Seriously if I offended you Rob, I'm sorry.
Rod.
No offense taken...I just think I'll cut it short before I offend the 6'6" guy with my 5'9" smart@ss Italian Mouth.
-Rob
Man you can't offend me, ( with having Talons as a friend I'm used to dishing & taking the harshest of Trash talk.)
Oh & I'm 6'8" not 6'6"
Rod
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 13, 2006 - 11:49 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Oh & I'm 6'8" not 6'6"
Rod
Ok there Zdeno!
bampf - Jun 13, 2006 - 12:19 PM
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Funny how Melifaxis' threads are like inanity magnets.
I d say this little tete a tete is akin to slavery... but that would be stupid, so I ll just stop.
So, some of my own (on topic) trash talk... due to the disturbing lack of canucks and Quebecois I m predicting an all Pennsylvania Brouhaha final. That s right! Just as the Stillers proved their superiority over the Pats, it s time to smash some New Englanders... and while we re at it, we ll teach you how to enunciate yer Rs... paRk youR caR in the gaRage, dammit... and there s no R in the word 'idea'!!
So there!
PS gken1, due to yer recent move, we re including you amongst the NEers-to-be-smashed crowd. You been warned!
Melifaxis - Jun 13, 2006 - 02:22 PM
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If history is any indication, the only thing the PA crowd will be taking home is the Best Painted Award, Wooden Spoon, and about 50 pounds of well cooked Fire & Ice.
Last time I checked it wasn't a Canadian that won Brouhaha I or II and prevented a PA victory.....in fact both former champions will be there...hmm...
bampf - Jun 13, 2006 - 02:56 PM
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We re shooting for more than 50 lbs this time.
I was robbed of my rightful crown last year when playing against a certain unscrupulous Tournament Organizer, who made me play with dice that rolled 13 1s over a span of 16 rolls. This time, the dice will not defy us... PA will reign supreme!
Melifaxis - Jun 14, 2006 - 07:41 AM
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It's good to have goals
Was it that many!? 
I should be ashamed for only winning by a TD then! Besides, looking at your 4-0, 4-2, 4-0 start last year I think overall you just used up the good rolls all at the beginning
Perhaps we shall face off once more this year. Although rumor has it Purple Saurus Rex will be returning...
bampf - Jun 14, 2006 - 10:06 AM
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I have no idea how I kept that game remotely close. It was horrid.
There are some unsubstantiated rumors that the Lizards are coming en force from the Keystone State.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 14, 2006 - 11:00 AM
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Whosssss ssspreading thossssse rumorssss?
Shane - Jun 14, 2006 - 09:05 PM
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Hey, can I get in on the PA/Yankee action? Born/raised in Berks County, PA, residing in Cambridge, MA, bids are now being taken on whose side I'm on...
Kennst du Deitz wetzen? (Rare use of PA Dutch on the internet, as Amish modems are notoriously finicky.)
--->Shane
bampf - Jun 15, 2006 - 12:35 PM
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Answer this question:
Does the culinary dish Chicken Pot Pie have a crust?
If you answer correctly (a resounding NO, btw) you re a PA boy for all intents and purposes! Welcome aboard.
Cast off the repressive language abuses of the NEers and join your true brethren.
BTW, if you really wanna seal the deal, bring Lizardmen to the tourney.
Zinak - Jun 15, 2006 - 03:53 PM
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EVRYONE KNOWS THAT POT PIE IS MADE IN A PIE CRUST
Zinak
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 15, 2006 - 05:25 PM
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Boooo ZINAK!!!
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 15, 2006 - 10:31 PM
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was just looking at rules....why is the kickoff table still LRB 3.0 based....ugh. Is this a hold over from a long time ago? If there is one thing the PBBL got right it's the blitz, Pitch invasion and injury time---especially for tourney play...it'd suck to lose a game on the first kick off because of PI or Riot....or to lose 3 turns after driving 2+ hours. Also I find from playing in DB and last time I played this tourney that people were forgetting the blitz rule anyway.....so why not just use the LRB 4.0 anyway?
Shane - Jun 16, 2006 - 08:26 AM
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--->Being from the town next to a Swanson plant that produced pot pies, I've tried to blank out any memories of the dish in question. It's kinda like if you've seen sausage made on an industrial scale; it'll throw you off your bratwurst for a little while.
If you want to talk Apie cakes, Tastykakes, ring bologna, or the like, I'm there.
--->As to the diction problems up here, my new favorite is realizing that the title of the kid's show "Dora the Explorer" rhymes...
--->to gken1: Melifaxis holds to a theory of blitz that says the "new" blitz is unfair to bashy teams, as they are more likely to have more than the minimum number of players in tackle zones. Feel free to try to dislodge him from this position; I've tried for a year now using a combination of logic, sarcasm and whining.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 16, 2006 - 08:49 AM
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Shane wrote:
--->to gken1: Melifaxis holds to a theory of blitz that says the "new" blitz is unfair to bashy teams, as they are more likely to have more than the minimum number of players in tackle zones. Feel free to try to dislodge him from this position; I've tried for a year now using a combination of logic, sarcasm and whining.
I will be coming to the BB3 because I enjoy it for many reasons, but I happen to think that the LRB3 Blitz favors agility teams. I would be in favor of the "new" Blitz...Given that "Blitz-ers" can move people off of the line of scrimmage, one of the biggest advantages that you get when going on offense is taken away from the bashy team. The person that is receiving will likely only get a minimal amout of blocks when they are finally allowed to take an action.
Taking this a step further...the Blitzing team actually gets the LOS advantage because the can take multiple pre-emptive strikes there...that's a pretty big swing from a single dice roll.
Melifaxis - Jun 16, 2006 - 12:43 PM
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I picked up the trophies today (egads they were done on time!?!?). See you all tomorrow
Melifaxis - Jun 16, 2006 - 12:43 PM
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Oh yeah, and it will invariably be the hottest weekend of the summer in Boston even though summer doesnt start until the 21st....you know the drill
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 16, 2006 - 03:06 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:
I will be coming to the BB3 because I enjoy it for many reasons, but I happen to think that the LRB3 Blitz favors agility teams. I would be in favor of the "new" Blitz...Given that "Blitz-ers" can move people off of the line of scrimmage, one of the biggest advantages that you get when going on offense is taken away from the bashy team. The person that is receiving will likely only get a minimal amout of blocks when they are finally allowed to take an action.
Taking this a step further...the Blitzing team actually gets the LOS advantage because the can take multiple pre-emptive strikes there...that's a pretty big swing from a single dice roll.
Bingo!
but blitz is #3 on the list....you're more likely to lose because of RIOT causing a 3 turn loss---happened to me a DB and a pitch invasion, Injuring a couple of your players.
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 16, 2006 - 03:10 PM
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also:
LRB 3 blitz (Bash Offense/Agility D): Agility Dodges away, blitzes one key area- gets under the ball.
LRB 4 blitz (Bash Offense/Agility D): Agility gets Key blitz and gets under the ball. Bash still gets to hit the line.
LRB 3 blitz (Agility Offense/Bash D): Bash hits the line + gets a blitz in---possibly taking out a few Agility players + can foul.
LRB 4 blitz (Agility Offense/Bash D): Bash can hit one player and can't foul.
Plus with Melifaxis's rule, why even add a silly roll when the player will be able to move all the players he want's to anyway. just adds an extra roll which does very little.
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 16, 2006 - 06:53 PM
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I think i smell the mafia coming.....
Xtreme - Jun 17, 2006 - 04:39 AM
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gken1 wrote:
but blitz is #3 on the list....you're more likely to lose because of RIOT causing a 3 turn loss---happened to me a DB and a pitch invasion, Injuring a couple of your players.
3 turn loss nothing, I've lost 6 turns in the last round of a tournament. I was in first going into that match playing dwarves and in the second half with the game tied i'm recieving with two turns to play. I finished the tournament tied for 3rd lossing the tie breaker. But I'm not bitter or anything.
Melifaxis - Jun 17, 2006 - 08:48 PM
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At the end of day one, Ken is in the lead and Rob O is in 2nd!
Spazzfist - Jun 17, 2006 - 09:13 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:
At the end of day one, Ken is in the lead and Rob O is in 2nd!
Are they the only two players in the tourney?
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 18, 2006 - 05:55 PM
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Well went 4-0-1 with the loss being in the championship game so I finished 2nd with zons!
Game 1: vs Maureen--skaven. Her rats scared me for a while since gutters are miracle workers. I scored on turn 8 of my first drive then she retalitated and the zons are able to win 2-1.
Game 2: vs Rob F. (melifaxis)-Necro. First turn I cas two zombies and KO a flesh golem. Next turn BH a WW.....all down hill from there for him. We leave two players on the pitch by the end of the game.
Game 3: vs Jason (Jkarr)--Lizards. Turn 8 of 1st half I steal the ball and hand off to player in TZ for score. 2nd half I eliminate the remaining skinks for the win.
Game 4: vs Rob O. (Karllagerbottom)--Lizards. We pull a turn 8 score in the first half after popping the ball free. 2nd half Krox catches the ball on a blitz---we surround him and tie him up for the whole half to manage a 1-0 win.
Game 5: vs Glenn--Undead. The Undead mojo of the hand of Roze-el was working against us. The undead boyz KO a couple of girls and manage to throw a TD pass for the first score. We focus on fouling off mummies but only get stuns----(6 fouls thrown with DP---all stuns).
2nd half we pull a 4 turn score. We pop the ball on Defense and runaway with the ball on turn 7...need 1 GFI to get in scoring range...failed. turn 8 the undead boyz, dodge into a TZ, pick up the ball in a TZ (ghoul, but had tackle on him), dodge out, throw a short pass over one of my players, catch and hand off for the win. Game over---well done!
thanks for the tourney rob! class act all the way!
Zinak - Jun 19, 2006 - 06:34 AM
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Fun was had... some were missed... some were not...
but thats just my 10 points worth
Zinak
Melifaxis - Jun 19, 2006 - 08:23 AM
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Thanks again to everyone who made the trip to Beantown and braved the sweltering heat!
Once again, many thanks to GW-Harvard Square, Specialist-Games, The War Store, & Impact! Miniatures for their generous support!!
Glenn Black's Organ Donors (Undead) went undefeated and handed Ken Washington's Powderpuff Girls (Amazons) their only defeat in the championship match!! Once more, the amazons are the bridesmaid's of The Beantown Brouhaha and the living dead have emerged victorious with The Hand of Roze-El in their grasp!!!
Champion: Glenn Black
Runner-Up: Ken Washington
3rd Place: Rob Ottaviano *
Most TD's: Jeremy Smith
Most Casualties: Glenn Black
Best Painted: Glenn Black
Wooden Spoon: Jessee Morales
Triple Skulls: Jeremy Smith
*I made a mathematical blunder and robbed Rob of his rightful 3rd place finish! My humble apologies!
Thank you all once again, and we'll be back again next year!!
Zinak - Jun 19, 2006 - 08:27 AM
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The Beantown Brouhaha web site is down :< how am I to sign up for next year????
Zinak
"Its just 10 points"
Melifaxis - Jun 19, 2006 - 08:30 AM
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I just noticed that too when I went to update it. Looks like it got too many hits in the last hour...it'll be back again shortly.
jkarr - Jun 19, 2006 - 10:24 AM
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Thanks Rob for a fun Tournament.
Had a Blast
Jkarr
Melifaxis - Jun 19, 2006 - 11:17 AM
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RECOUNT!
Egads, tis true! I goofed and Rob O should have been 3rd!! My humble apologies sir. I'll get you out some form of prize to make up for my blunder and congratulations on such a strong showing.
Spazzfist - Jun 19, 2006 - 12:41 PM
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Wow, must have been a bunch of bottomfeeders there or something for Karl Lagerspoon to make third!
Melifaxis - Jun 19, 2006 - 01:16 PM
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The results are entered, so as soon as a NAF Official pushes the button your rankings will update
No, the bottomfeeders are the ones that didnt make the trip to Beantown
CyberHare - Jun 19, 2006 - 01:19 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:
No, the bottomfeeders are the ones that didnt make the trip to Beantown
Ouch. Come on Mel we gotta give your locals a chance every now and then
Button pushed
bampf - Jun 19, 2006 - 01:33 PM
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Thanks, Rob! Great tourney, as always. Hard to imagine the Mafia missing it.
Second year in a row I finished with Most TDs but managed to just miss the championship table. Damnable saurus taking a hand-off for the turn 8 TD doomed me.
Rob O, I think I should count as third place... it s just 10 points difference. Seriously though, if you want some prize gear from the War Store, the gift certificate is rightfully yours... I get most of my gear at wholesale so it s no big deal.
Already looking forward to next year!
BB_Babe - Jun 19, 2006 - 03:31 PM
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Had a great time! Great seeing everybody, missed all the folks who weren???t there.
Game 1: Close loss to Ken's Powder Puff Girls (Zons) 1-2.
Next time...
Game 2: Win against Zinak's Its Just Ten Points (Ogres) 3-1.
Walk around the Ogres, take the ball from the Goblins, score. Repeat.
The Ogres got 1 flying Goblin TD, but their second attempt at the end of the game went flying off into the crowd on a bad pass! Did lose the casualty battle 1-4 though.
Game 3: Shut out loss against Rob O's Tip the Scales (Lizards) 0-2.
I got hammered on casualties 1-3, and couldn't even scrabble out 1 goal. Ouch, Lizards always give my Skaven more trouble than anyone. Got 1 casualty on a Skink early on, and plenty of attacks on the others, but never better than a KO.
Game 4: vs Jessee???s The Vikings (well yeah, Norse) 1-1.
Nuffle smiled on the Vikings for this game, they got a perfect defense on the opening kickoff, and I got double skulls at two critical points during that drive. Was down 1-3 casualties and had to fight hard to get the tie. Had a real wild longshot that failed to get the winning goal on the last turn -- Linerat pushed twice and did a 1 die blitz that chain pushed one of my Runners forward a square into scoring range; Another Runner dodged into 2 TZs, picked up the ball in the 2 TZs, and then fumbled the throw into the crowd. The ball was flung out directly towards the Runner poised to score. But rolled a 10 for the throw-in distance; needed a 2. If the pass had worked, that Runner would have needed to catch it in 1 TZ, dodge out and go for it twice to score. Not a very likely scheme alltold, but got much further into it than I thought I would before it fell apart.
Game 5: Blow out win vs Erick???s The Smashers (Chaos) 5-0.
Nuffle came and haunted the Smashers this time, I lost count of how many times the poor Mino failed to blitz or move. That was a harsh fate, but offset by the Skaven once again taking heavier casualties (down 1-3). Score 3-0 at the half. The two goals in the second half took a bit longer since both my Blitzers and a Linerat were out for the half. But 4 Runners and 4 Linerats on the pitch were plenty. Actually, through most of the fourth drive my front 3 Linerats declared Naptime and never managed to get up off the ground after they were knocked down at the start of the drive! Both of us had pretty poor luck trying to pick up the ball -- lots of turnovers while the furry front 3 napped away. The four Runners and the one non-napping Linerat were in fine form though -- would have been nice if they had worked one or two of these miracles against Ken! Or one more goal would have been critical too....
2-1-2 put me in the middle of the pack placewise, but 10 TDs put me 2nd and only 1 point out for tying for the prize for most TDs. The Scorpions still dropped a ranking point though -- beating Zinak???s Ogres isn???t worth much of a boost, maybe not even + .10 points
Cheers,
Maureen
Clan_Skaven - Jun 19, 2006 - 08:44 PM
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Sounds like a great tourney, good job Mel.
Nice job getting the stats entered quickly (wish others could follow suit )
One of these days I'll make it.
Mr Lagerbottom, looks like this is indeed the year of the missfits (you coming 3rd if not close to winning top spot & I winning the SPIKE) Who knows what the future holds in the BB world!
Rod.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 19, 2006 - 09:06 PM
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Rob-
Great tourney once again...I think a great time was had by all...with the possible exception of the over-worked chefs at Fire And Ice.
I look forward to seeing you at Ha-vad Sqwah again next year and returning to my more comfortable position at the bottom of the rankings.
-RobO
P.S. Thanks for revisiting the points totals..and for setting the record straight...that once and for all the Lizardman BASH roster is superior to the skink roster.
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Game 1:
Zinak's Ogres give me an early scare...the game was very close throughout and the Piling-On Ogres managed to survive 6 rounds of fouls without a scratch. A crazy skink defensive TD helps me win the game and seemed to set the tone for the tourney. 2-1 Win.
Game 2:
Another hard-fought game against the eventual tourney champion. The skink armour withstood the Mummies bully tactics and the ref tossed a zombie fairly early on a failed foul. 1-1 Tie.
Game 3:
The lizards turned rat hunters this game and mashed gutter runners early and often. Several 3-Dice Blocks and Blitzes later and the Lizards emerge victorious. 2-0 Win.
Game 4:
Here is where I blew it. My dice were good enough to win this game, but sadly my skills were not. My first half drive ended in a TD against as I took heat under gken1's pressure on the ball...I pushed thge skink ball carrier a bit too far up the field; a blitz to the ball carrier and a fortuitous series of missed attempts (on both sides) to grab the scattering the ball places the ball close to the LOS and near a free Amazon player. (One Short Pass later and my heart was broken by the Powder Puff Girls. )
My crazy dice continued in the second half however, as I got a blitz on my kick-off...cleared the LOS...and moved the Krox under the ball. (Yes...he caught it. ) I was too tenative from there...feared the bonehead...and flubbed the gift that Nuffle had given me.
1-0 Loss.
Game 5:
My Krox, apparently upset about having been robbed of a chance at scoring a TD by his wimpy warm-blooded coach, took it out against JKARR's Krox in turn 1. That early CAS gave Tip The Scales the edge in the Arms race vs. The Children Of The Forket Comet. From there my tackling Sauri hunted the enemy skinks and kept them tied-up or laying down. 4-1 Win.
KarlLagerbottom - Jun 19, 2006 - 09:10 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:
Who knows what the future holds in the BB world!
Rod.
You know Rod, this could be the 7th Sign. Thinking about it that way...I'm kinda glad I didn't win
-RobO
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 20, 2006 - 04:15 PM
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congrats rob on the move into 3rd! POWER SAURUS RULE!
bampf - Jun 21, 2006 - 02:07 PM
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My 7 skink roster was all over jkarr s 4 skink roster. I popped the ball every time he had it save the last... where I re-rolled a 2 die block on the ball into double skulls setting up the Saurus hand off for the tie.
Agility Lizards are the way to go!
VBZ - Jun 24, 2006 - 01:37 AM
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Hey Ken, what skills and progression did you use for the zons-- come to think of it what did your roster look like?
Hoshi_Komi - Jun 24, 2006 - 07:45 AM
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4 Blitzers 1 Catcher 7 Linewomen, 3 RR, 5 FF
Guard, MB, Guard, Tackle on blitzers then DP, DP then SS on Catcher.