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Notorious_jtb - Jan 29, 2007 - 10:33 AM
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DBV, the Year of the OGRE!

Glen Jones (twodiceblock) and the boys in Ottawa will be bringing you Deathbowl this year, after Brian's retirement. We now have to try and live up to the high standard he has set. This will be no easy task so we are getting the discussions and planning started now.

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DB V

Date: October 20-21 2007
Location: The Bronson Centre, 211 Bronson Ave, Ottawa, ON

Format
Saturday

DB game 1
Lunch - included in price
DB game 2
Dinner - included in price
DB game 3

Sunday

DB game 4
Prizes
Homeward bound

Team selection

TV 125
LRB5 rules

You may buy skills at the improvement cost price in the LRB5 rulebook.

You may buy inducements, except star players and Cards.

The Year of the Ogre

All the best ogre teams are coming from far and wide so Ogres may buy the Pro skill for 20k rather than 30k.

Ogres may purchase star players (Brick Farth an Grotty count as 1 choice but take 2 roster places).

Scoring system

Beating your direct opponent (win) = 3 points
Tieing with your direct opponent (Tie) = 1 point
Losing to your direct opponent (Loss) = 0 points

Bonus

Scoring the most TDs on the table = 2 points
Causing the most CAS on the table = 1 point

(CAS only count from blocking)

The Painting Scoring

There are a maximum of 2.5 points for painting (a little less than one "win") which most people should be able to get.

There are 6 painting categories, each worth 1/2 a point so you can miss one and still get your full 2.5 points.

The categories are:

Painted : All models are fully painted, with no metal or undercoat showing. Three colours are the minimum allowed.

Based: All models have a textured base

Numbered: All models are numbered in a visible way

Detailed: All models are highlighted/shaded or whatever so they don't just look like the "flat" basic colour

Conversion: At least one model on the team has had significant work done on it to make if different from the production version.

Representative: All the models on the team are representative of the player they depict. E.g. the lizardmen team has small models for the skinks and big models for the saurus (they don't need to be lizards though, they could be big and little monkeys for example ) Another way to get this 1/2 point is to use the ring colour basing scheme. You could have a team of 11 linemen models but paint the blitzer base rings red, the catchers yellow, the throwers white, the blockers green and the linemen black ala 2nd edition.

Full rules to be posted soon.

Joe

Eric.R. - Jan 30, 2007 - 03:32 PM
Post subject: RE: Deathbowl V: The Year of the OGRE - Are you tough enough

When, When, When???

Notorious_jtb - Jan 31, 2007 - 07:28 AM
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When, When, When???

In the fall, probably october. But the actual date is not set yet. We will obviously keep you posted!

GalakStarscraper - Jan 31, 2007 - 07:35 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

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When, When, When???

In the fall, probably october. But the actual date is not set yet. We will obviously keep you posted!

Just be aware that the World Cup in in October. Not sure how many folks from Canada are going over ... but just wanted to make sure you had that on your mental radar. Probably doesn't matter ... but wanted to point it out.

Galak

Notorious_jtb - Jan 31, 2007 - 07:55 AM
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totally aware, cheers Galak. that is one of the things which will affect timing. If Canada enters a team, and a bunch of eastern coaches go then deathbowl will be located away from the world cup. Don't know what the status of the world cup team is though.....

THe main reason for october time is that we want to keep DBV close to the regular date for DB, just to maintain some continuity.

cheers
JTB

Spazzfist - Jan 31, 2007 - 11:08 AM
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Well Joe, I know that everyone has been begging me to be the captain for Team Canada, but I don't think that I will make the World Cup. Sorry to let all of my fans down! Wink

twist - Feb 08, 2007 - 11:04 PM
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Awesome news, JTB! Look forward to future updates!

Daggers - Feb 09, 2007 - 08:08 AM
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Great! Another tournament for me to get destroyed in. I am there.

Taxal - Feb 09, 2007 - 08:44 AM
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Hey Joe if you are looking at trying to keep the Death Bowl at around the same time of the month as Brian did. He was going to hold it this year on the weekend of the 13-14 of October.

Taxal

Notorious_jtb - Feb 09, 2007 - 10:08 AM
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I chatted with Brian about that. Brian did suggest piggy-backing it on all the PR for the world cup and holding it the same weekend.

No decision has been made yet. In fact I havent even talked to Glen about a date yet, so no news at all really Very Happy

Hopefully we'll have some info together by the time we go to the Open.....

JTB

Talons - Feb 09, 2007 - 01:23 PM
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Craig.....If you were asked to be captain of Team Canada.....we must be sending over the cream of the crop when it comes to the BOTTOMFEEDERS across Canada. We all know that you are certainly the best of the BOTTOMFEEDERS!!!! LOL!!!

Joe just set a date already....enough teasing. I work at the Casino and need to book the time off.

Spazzfist - Feb 09, 2007 - 01:48 PM
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Yeah, set a date for the destruction of Talons. I am going to whup his a$$ so badly at this tourney, that he is going to be sorry that he ever dared to speak this way to his superior! Twisted Evil

Talons - Feb 09, 2007 - 07:51 PM
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Craig Craig Craig.....Get Off the DRUGS!!!!!!

Clan_Skaven - Feb 09, 2007 - 10:06 PM
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Craig, Rob enough with your constant flirting with each other.....

Rolling Eyes

BB_Babe - Feb 11, 2007 - 06:48 PM
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Well, it's not quite as short a drive as Montreal where we also have family to stay with, but I've been talking it over with Roxanne and we'll plan on making the trip Very Happy

We'll probably head up early in the week and take a little vacation together in Ottawa checking out the museums and whatnot, then she'll take the train to Montreal for the weekend.

I'm not available the US Columbus Day weekend, but I think that's also Canadian Thanksgiving.

Since I got the Ogre team doorprize at DBIV, I really ought to bring it to the Year of the Ogre! So it's moved up to the head of the line on my paint board. Now I need to learn how to play the team...

And I just couldn't resist snitching Spazzfist's idea of the Mexican wrestlers Worship

For a personal touch, I've combined this theme with the hometown high school football team, the Golden Tornados, to create:
Los Tornados Enmascarados

If our two teams face off at the tourney, we'll have to fight for the World Wrestling Association title King

Cheers,
Maureen

Notorious_jtb - Feb 11, 2007 - 08:20 PM
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Joe just set a date already....enough teasing. I work at the Casino and need to book the time off.

Ok, I will make a big effort to try get da lads to pin something down date wise really soon.

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We'll probably head up early in the week and take a little vacation together in Ottawa checking out the museums and whatnot,

Ottawa is a great place to visit for museums, if you make it up for the thursday night most of them are free too Smile

Museum of civilization is a personal fave (http://www.civilization.ca/visit/indexe.aspx)

JTB

Notorious_jtb - Feb 11, 2007 - 08:23 PM
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And I just couldn't resist snitching Spazzfist's idea of the Mexican wrestlers For a personal touch, I've combined this theme with the hometown high school football team, the Golden Tornados, to create:
Los Tornados Enmascarados

If our two teams face off at the tourney, we'll have to fight for the World Wrestling Association title

Whilst I could never condone the theft of intelectual property, the prospect of this face off is quite marvelous Smile

But surely its the NAFWA, not the WWA.

JTB

Talons - Feb 12, 2007 - 02:28 PM
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Joe.....whatever you do, don't make it the week of Oct 19-26. My sister is getting married in the Carribean and I would have to miss the Deathbowl. I already told her to change her wedding date, but that didn't work!!!!! LOL

Notorious_jtb - Feb 12, 2007 - 02:52 PM
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Talons wrote:

I've got a better idea, why don't we all go to the carribean with all the boards and teams and stuff and play deathbowl on the beach!!!

But seriously, I have a couple of things which may occur in october too, like maybe my honeymoon, so its still a flexible date....

Daggers - Feb 13, 2007 - 02:26 PM
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My honeymoon will be in November most likely, although the wedding is late Sept. So as long as the tourny stays in Oct, i should be okay. The weekends available are running out quickly, better make a decision quick Joe, or this may end up in 2008 ;P If Glen spent half as much time on his mohawk as he did on Blood bowl, he would be 1st in the world ;P (How he does that every day, i will never know).

angryrob - Feb 13, 2007 - 04:11 PM
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The thing is he only sets that 'hawk once aweek,that thing is like a rock. Glenn plays way to much Blood Bowl to have time to do his hair everyday.

Notorious_jtb - Feb 14, 2007 - 09:29 AM
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Thats true. I'm not even sure if Glen knows how many games he has played, its in the many thousands though.

BB_Babe - Feb 26, 2007 - 09:01 AM
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My first ogre is ready to take the pitch, El Tornado Azul. El Rojo is just waiting for his mask. El Dorado is not far behind. Los Tornados Verde, Violado, y Negro have a bit more work to go, but for now they are enjoying their tight pants Cool

Doing a nice paint job on the Heresy ogres takes awhile. Because of the complex poses, I'm painting each piece in detail before assembly, then after assembly puttying and painting the joints.

For inspiration , I've been watching some DVDs of Lucha Libre matches and Luchadores Enmascarados movies (deepdiscount.com is great!)

Cheers,
Maureen

Notorious_jtb - Feb 26, 2007 - 12:28 PM
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Sounding good Maureen, can't wait!
We shall get some rules up in the next couple of months. Which will contain a few things which should hopefully get another couple of players to bring the big dudes!

Joe

Spazzfist - Feb 26, 2007 - 12:32 PM
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This is the excuse that I need to finish off my "Luchadores". I will get pictures of them up when they are done.

Spazz

Eric.R. - Mar 06, 2007 - 08:47 AM
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Any news on the date? I need to know whether or not I can make it.

Spazzfist - Mar 06, 2007 - 09:08 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Any news on the date? I need to know whether or not I can make it.

Dude, if you don't make this one, I think the Ottawa boys might start to take it personally! Wink

Eric.R. - Mar 06, 2007 - 09:48 AM
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Hey, it is not my fault that my buddy is getting married that month and is having an open bar at the reception. It is nothing personal, but free liqour will always win out over anything Twisted Evil

Clan_Skaven - Mar 06, 2007 - 12:44 PM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Hey, it is not my fault that my buddy is getting married that month and is having an open bar at the reception. It is nothing personal, but free liqour will always win out over anything Twisted Evil

Free BEER?

Whats this Blood-Bowl you speak of "hic"????

Rod

Anthony_Times - Mar 18, 2007 - 04:25 AM
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hey hey hey, guess who was asked to sculpt the special teams for the world cup? our man ALEX.

i really hope we go with the 5 games of deathbowl to determine the winner of the deathbowl

people will actually learn how to play deathbowl

Spazzfist - Mar 18, 2007 - 09:01 AM
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What do you mean by the "Special teams"?

Clan_Skaven - Mar 18, 2007 - 02:04 PM
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Anthony_Times wrote:

Ya maybe you will learn, cause its all about manipulating the others to do your dirty work, or as you call it "Alliance Bowl" Your my friend right now cause your killing the other guy's Black Orc (soon as your done that your Gutter Runner is dead (of coarse you don't know that part of the plan.)

Rod.

Notorious_jtb - Mar 18, 2007 - 08:05 PM
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I am pretty sure we are going to go with the 5 games of deathbowl format Chris!

It'll be loads of fun.

You get your tournament points and NAF ranking points from the result between you and your direct opponent and its in your best interests for the other two players to have a tied result too.

Rules are nearly done, thanks to the car ride back from brampton and Marc-Andre being picked up from work so he had his laptop with him Smile

Some little changes from the old rules, since the Dark Angels decided to sell out to the human (some might say ogre) Senoj N' Nelg.

There is still no referee. BUt regenerate does work now. for instance.

we'll post the full rules probably this week.

JTB

p.s. good stuff for Alex marvelous news.

Taxal - Mar 21, 2007 - 11:28 AM
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Holy crap......5 games of Death Bowl in one week-end. Thats crazy !!!!

Can`t wait.

Do you guys have any idea what week-end yet?

Dan

Anthony_Times - Mar 22, 2007 - 11:13 PM
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i think there are really only two options for the timing of this event

sept 29-30. but this might be too close to the begining of school for those with youngsters so the only other option i see is

nov 10-11, i vote for this weekend

the world cup is oct 19-21

Notorious_jtb - Mar 23, 2007 - 06:23 AM
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Anthony_Times wrote:

I like the way your thinking. Rod is holding a tournament in Niagara in september so the november date would work for me too. Especially as I am likely away on honeymoon in october sometime.....

Joe

angryrob - Mar 23, 2007 - 06:24 AM
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I say lets do it

Nov. 10-11

Notorious_jtb - Mar 23, 2007 - 06:26 AM
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angryrob wrote:

I say lets do it

Nov. 10-11

ok then, sounds good. Can you check with the carling tavern Rob?
It would be good to get a venue lined up as far in advance as possible

Taxal - Mar 23, 2007 - 07:14 AM
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I`m up for both week-ends, but if i had to pick one of them....it would be in November. Gives me more time to paint/convert my new team of Khemri.

Dan

Spazzfist - Mar 23, 2007 - 07:23 AM
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Can't put it off for a week, eh? My wife's birthday is on the 8th, and if I go away that weekend, I'm a dead man!

angryrob - Mar 23, 2007 - 08:05 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Can't put it off for a week, eh? My wife's birthday is on the 8th, and if I go away that weekend, I'm a dead man!

Just lay pipe real good on thursday night and she'll let come for sure Wink

Shadowseer2005 - Mar 23, 2007 - 08:57 PM
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Nov 10-11 sounds good to me, anylater than that and I'm a definate no-show.

Shadowseer2005

Clan_Skaven - Mar 24, 2007 - 05:14 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Can't put it off for a week, eh? My wife's birthday is on the 8th, and if I go away that weekend, I'm a dead man!

Spazz if this ends up the date, just write off the DB , do not even ask her (you can not make every tourney)

Rod

Spazzfist - Mar 24, 2007 - 09:34 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Can't put it off for a week, eh? My wife's birthday is on the 8th, and if I go away that weekend, I'm a dead man!

Spazz if this ends up the date, just write off the DB , do not even ask her (you can not make every tourney)

Rod

Gee thanks Rod. Why didn't I think of that?

Cramy - Mar 24, 2007 - 01:43 PM
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November is good for me as well.

Marc-Andre

Anthony_Times - Mar 24, 2007 - 02:09 PM
Post subject: glenn jones available for birthday parties!

is it fair to talk about glenn behind his virtual back?

Notorious_jtb - Mar 24, 2007 - 02:32 PM
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I'm sure he won't mind!

I'll give him a call and see Wink

Taxal - Apr 02, 2007 - 07:15 AM
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we'll post the full rules probably this week

so Joe any more updates for the tourney rules.

Dan

Spazzfist - Apr 02, 2007 - 07:47 AM
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Yeah, he said that he is going to keep the tourney in October, because a tourney without Spazz is not a tourney worth having!

BB_Babe - Apr 04, 2007 - 04:08 PM
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I'm starting work on a Deathbowl board with 40mm squares. We might need several of these, especially for any matches with 2 or more Ogre teams.

I've finished painting up the Ogres. The Snotlings all have their new helmets and masks and are ready for painting. The Snotling Reroll Squad is waiting for their capes before getting painted. And conversions are under way for the Mariacchi band. Cool

BB_Babe - Apr 16, 2007 - 02:54 PM
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In case any Death Bowlers haven't been following the discussion thread in the Announcements area, NAF is currently holding a vote for a new Tournament Director.

n discussions about their candidacy, Bryan Mitchell (Xtreme) indicated strong support for keeping the current NAF tournament sanctioning system as it is. The other candidate, David Candlish (Indigo), wishes to change the system to limit the rules editions that would be sanctioned and to somehow segregated tournaments using different game variations. David's approach would likely cause strong changes here in the Northeast with the ArisiaBowl, the Death Bowl, and the Challenge of Q'ermitt tourneys.

You can view the discussion thread here:
http://www.bloodbowl.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=3568

And you can vote here:
http://www.bloodbowl.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=3591

Cheers,
Maureen

Taxal - Jun 28, 2007 - 08:48 AM
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been awhile since i was here....any news on death bowl for this year

Notorious_jtb - Jun 28, 2007 - 10:29 AM
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No news is good news right now Wink

Actually, there will be some concrete news very soon. We are working on the time limit for turns right now. As we may have discussed above we are all about having more games of deathbowl. we want to do 5. thing is, that takes alot of time. So we have gotten rid of overtime and come up with a 3/3.5 minute turn limit. Still we havent quite got it down.

On scheduling news, I am away in Asia on my honeymoon from October 26 to November 20th so it WON'T be between those dates unless the other b##tch#s in ottawa do this behind my back Wink

It is possible it could be held on its origionaly scheduled date coinciding with the NAF world cup (19th-20th October).

We are working on it!

JTB

Eric.R. - Jun 28, 2007 - 11:22 AM
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Having at the same time could be a good and bad thing. The bad being a few less players. The good less players to have to deal with while using the new rules.

I am in regardless of when it happens.

Notorious_jtb - Jun 29, 2007 - 07:57 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Having at the same time could be a good and bad thing. The bad being a few less players. The good less players to have to deal with while using the new rules.

I am in regardless of when it happens.

To be honest I don't know of anyone who "might be" a deathbowl attendee who is planning a trip to the world cup. However, if there is anyone It'd be fun to know!

JTB

Spazzfist - Jun 29, 2007 - 09:08 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

To be honest I don't know of anyone who "might be" a deathbowl attendee who is planning a trip to the world cup. However, if there is anyone It'd be fun to know!

Exactly!

So it looks like I might be making it out for the Deathbowl after all! Woo hoo! Look out b**ches! Eat yer vitamins and say yer prayers, 'cause Spazzamania is coming back to the capital city!

BB_Babe - Jun 29, 2007 - 09:38 AM
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As soon as I looked at the flight miles I would have needed to book a trip to the World Cup, I quickly scratched that idea. But that at least helped me figure out that I did have enough miles to make the trip to GenCon Cool

As long as the date works out, I'll be in Ottawa. Just the other night, I started painting the Snotlings to go with Los Tornados Enmascarados.

Cheers,
Maureen

Spazzfist - Jun 29, 2007 - 11:50 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Just the other night, I started painting the Snotlings to go with Los Tornados Enmascarados.

Then Lost Tornados will meet their doom at the hands of the mighty LUCHADORES!

Eric.R. - Aug 01, 2007 - 07:21 PM
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The clocks ticking boys . . . .

Whats the news? Date specifically.

Notorious_jtb - Aug 02, 2007 - 08:10 AM
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It is indeed ticking.

We are planning around the date of October 20-21 for DB V

I will try and pin Glen down this long weekend.

Manz62 - Aug 06, 2007 - 01:49 PM
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5 DB game? 3/3.5 turn limit?
why you want change a winning concept !? Brian tourney was very great..

for my part a final DB game is enough ( the board scrap the paint of my players )
sure i don't have play on the 1st table..

set a date, I be there !
(13-14 oct.?)

Notorious_jtb - Aug 07, 2007 - 09:17 AM
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Manz62 wrote:

The Tournament date is the 20th and 21st October.

I agree about the boards scraping the paint of your miniatures. we will see what we can do to prevent this. We may have some new boards.

I understand what your saying about the changes and the exact format is not decided as of yet. However, the multiple games of deathbowl is currently the leading choice. The idea came out of a discussion of the rules of the actual deathbowl game. There was a strong feeling that the way overtime worked was not ideal and could take an inordinately long time to complete. Indeed the deathbowl game was very slow during regular time as well. So we decided we definitely needed a time limit for the turns in the deathbowl game. Once we had the time limit idea out there we realised we had an idea of how long a deathbowl game should take. 4 players x 16 turns each x 3.5 minutes a turn = about 4 hours for a game.
This doesn't really leave a lot of time for overtime if the last game is played on the sunday afternoon, so we wondered how we could get rid of overtime. Then we realised that if there was no overtime we could play quite a few 4 hour games over the weekend so why not make deathbowl a true test of your ability to succeed in deathbowl?

However for this to work we need to balance the way tournament points are awarded for deathbowl games. The system we have been working on alters the alliance part of the game a great deal.
Firstly, you are in direct competition with the player opposite you on the deathbowl board for tournament points. So if they score 2 TDs and you only get 1 you've lost, even if no one else scored!
This is a big change and now defence and attack need to be finely balanced, and no one will allow a "free TD" to their opponents under this system.

I will post the projected scoring system in minute.

This is the current format plan:

Saturday

DB game 1
Lunch
DB game 2
Dinner
DB game 3

Sunday

DB game 4
lunch
prizes
everyone gets home early

Notorious_jtb - Aug 07, 2007 - 09:30 AM
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DBV tournament points

edited 21/09/2007

Result vs your direct opponent

Win = 3
Tie = 1
Loss = 0

Bonus points

Win the table = 2

Cause the most CAS on table = 1

BB_Babe - Aug 07, 2007 - 10:29 AM
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I've finished up my Ogre-sized pitch with 40mm squares and matching pass templates. You may want a few more of these on hand if anyone's making new boards.

Cheers,
Maureen

Daggers - Aug 07, 2007 - 10:40 AM
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Looks good to me Joe. Always hate the fact that casualties are equal to td's in bonuses, but thats just me. Anyways, can't wait to play. Should be interesting to see the chaos involved in four teams beating each other senseless.

Notorious_jtb - Aug 07, 2007 - 12:30 PM
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BB_Babe wrote:

I've finished up my Ogre-sized pitch with 40mm squares and matching pass templates. You may want a few more of these on hand if anyone's making new boards.

Cheers,
Maureen

I look forward to seeing your board!
I'll keep you posted on what were up to board wise

Notorious_jtb - Aug 07, 2007 - 12:33 PM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

I knew you'd mention the CAS vs TD thing.

I think the main role of the CAS thing is to give you something to play for if your getting spanked score wise. I don't expect many people who win big on their table, TD wise to get the most CAS bonus as well. I think the other players might want to take them down a bit personally.....

twist - Aug 07, 2007 - 04:00 PM
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OMG, you wanna play 3 DB games in the first day? Are we skipping the drinking in the evening and going straight to bed afterwards? Or maybe 2 x 6 turn halfs instead?

BB_Babe - Aug 07, 2007 - 09:30 PM
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twist wrote:

OMG, you wanna play 3 DB games in the first day? Are we skipping the drinking in the evening and going straight to bed afterwards? Or maybe 2 x 6 turn halfs instead?

Perhaps 1 round of DeathCup with 7's rosters and 6 turn halfs? I have done up smaller 7's sized pitch for my Ogres too with 40mm squares:

Cheers,
Maureen

twist - Aug 07, 2007 - 10:49 PM
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That won't be necessary! I revoke my comment! I'll play DB till midnight if it means no bloody 7s!!!! Laughing

Cramy - Aug 08, 2007 - 06:49 AM
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No 7's, pleeeaaase. Smile

For the first day, what about doing one game of DB, followed by one normal game, then another DB? Just a thought.

Marc-André

Notorious_jtb - Aug 08, 2007 - 08:06 AM
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Cramy wrote:

No 7's, pleeeaaase. Smile

For the first day, what about doing one game of DB, followed by one normal game, then another DB? Just a thought.

Marc-André

We are thinking of having a strict timer system on for the games. So at the set time the game just ends. Much more strictly enforced than at the CCKO this January Smile

There is also going to be a turn timer for everyone as well = 3.5 minute turns.
this is how I see the turns working.

Saturday

8:00 am Registration
9:00 am DB game 1
1:00 pm Lunch
2:00 pm DB game 2
6:00 pm Dinner
7:00 pm DB game 3
11:00 pm Drinking

Sunday

10:00 am DB game 4 (nice late start incase people want to drink)
2:00 pm lunch
3:00 pm prizes
3:30 pm everyone gets home early

Notorious_jtb - Aug 08, 2007 - 08:08 AM
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twist wrote:

That won't be necessary! I revoke my comment! I'll play DB till midnight if it means no bloody 7s!!!! Laughing

I'm afraid there will be no more 7s due to popular demand.

I kinda like it myself, but I see what people have a problem with.

Cramy - Aug 08, 2007 - 08:36 AM
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How is the play testing with the timer going? A 3.5 minute timer may be daunting for somebody who has never played DeathBowl and has to figure-out what the heck is going on while this timer is ticking. But I guess that's probably fine, as there will be 4 DB games, so lots of practice time Smile

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Marc-Andre

BB_Babe - Aug 08, 2007 - 10:09 AM
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Ah, no love for the 7's Crying or Very sad

Two years ago, the record setting 2-2-2-2 tie went into overtime. Using the 2 minute timer in OT rule that was in effect then, the OT round was a blast! Everyone was moving fast and furious, no one ran out of time on their clock. Sometimes resetting the clocks was just eating up extra time! Frequently, players that were away from the action were forgotten and not moved before a turnover, it was all part of the excitement. A 3.5 minute timer would be luxurious, and everyone will adopt real quick.

Cheers,
Mo

Notorious_jtb - Aug 08, 2007 - 10:18 AM
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there will be 4 DB games, so lots of practice time .

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3.5 minute timer would be luxurious, and everyone will adapt real quick.

I like the support. I think the 3.5 minute timer would be good for the DB. It is a different style of play when your timed. Less time for negotiations.

Another thing we want to introduce this year is forcing people to declare their actions before moving a player. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE DECLARED. This includes moving, blocking, blitzing passing, fouling, handing off etc etc. This is to reduce confusion about what is going on and speeding everything up.

twist - Aug 08, 2007 - 04:18 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

We are thinking of having a strict timer system on for the games. So at the set time the game just ends. Much more strictly enforced than at the CCKO this January Smile

There is also going to be a turn timer for everyone as well = 3.5 minute turns.
this is how I see the turns working.

Sounds awesome! The only point I would like to make is that if the time runs out, you PLEASE just say, "This is your last round guys!"... So that everyone at the table ends up with the same amount of turns played. There has been a tourney in my distant past that hosed me with a loss because time was called and my opponent got one extra turn than I did!

I won't miss 7s at all. I'm a fan of the new DB administration! Wink

Notorious_jtb - Aug 08, 2007 - 07:30 PM
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twist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

We are thinking of having a strict timer system on for the games. So at the set time the game just ends. Much more strictly enforced than at the CCKO this January Smile

There is also going to be a turn timer for everyone as well = 3.5 minute turns.
this is how I see the turns working.

Hahaha!

No hosing!

I think the only way to deal with the "last round of turns guys" thing is to say 15 minutes before the end of time that there is one more turn each. That way we end on time and everyone should get an even amount of turns. However, I would hope, with the timers that we should finish a lot of the games within time. Especially with turnovers and people running out of players as the games progress, combining to happily shorten turns!

Spazzfist - Aug 08, 2007 - 08:56 PM
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Joe on a timer..... what a concept! Wink

Notorious_jtb - Aug 09, 2007 - 08:51 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Joe on a timer..... what a concept! Wink

hahaha, yeah well, we'll see how it all goes down...

Eggball - Aug 10, 2007 - 06:27 PM
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Are the special rules for Ogre teams up yet? Or is that coming later? It's unlikely I'll bring Ogres - I'm just curious....

Notorious_jtb - Aug 10, 2007 - 08:43 PM
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Eggball wrote:

Are the special rules for Ogre teams up yet? Or is that coming later? It's unlikely I'll bring Ogres - I'm just curious....

We havent really put the rules up yet. I will say that we think you can make a good ogre team with the rule set we are thinking of.

Eric.R. - Aug 10, 2007 - 10:43 PM
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Unfortunately I will not be able to make it out this year. My good friend is getting married at that time. It was pretty much a craps shoot if I could make it anyways. Would have loved to come out, as I have alot of history in the ottawa area, not to mention the tail I would have gotten. Damn shame!!

Anyhoo, good luck in the tourny, Gents.

Spazzfist - Aug 11, 2007 - 10:54 AM
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Joe,

So is the date now set in stone? I need to know 'cuz my whole custody thing is at the point of ugly now where the lawyers are the ones who need to set up the visitation schedules. I would love to come, but need to make sure that I can arrange the time off.

Spazz

Notorious_jtb - Aug 11, 2007 - 12:36 PM
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Yes the date is set in stone due to activities at this end.

Sorry about your issues with the lawyers Spazz, terrible profession...

Sorry to hear you can't make the date Eric, you;ll be missed.

JTB

Blank_Page - Aug 11, 2007 - 04:38 PM
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Sounds fun. I'd like to come.

Is lunch and dinner being provided?

Twelve hours of Deathbowl seems a bit much for one day.

Notorious_jtb - Aug 12, 2007 - 09:35 AM
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Blank_Page wrote:

Sounds fun. I'd like to come.

Is lunch and dinner being provided?

Twelve hours of Deathbowl seems a bit much for one day.

Glad you like the sound of it.

Yeah we want to provide the meals on day one for sure.

You might be right about 12hours being a bit of a marathon. "Normally" there would be 4 regular games on day 1 totalling 8 hours theoretically. Maybe we should think about 2 DB games and a regular BB game on day one and a final deathbowl game on sunday.

Blank_Page - Aug 12, 2007 - 12:14 PM
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Make the first game a regular game. And make it a challenge game, so people can call out another player who they have never played before.

Blank_Page - Aug 12, 2007 - 12:36 PM
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10-12 regular game
12-1 lunch
1-5 deathbowl
5-6 dinner
6-10 deathbowl
10-11 2nd dinner

Notorious_jtb - Aug 13, 2007 - 08:03 AM
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It might be workable to do it that way and to ease people in. Although I think a random first oponent might be better, with 'seeding' to prevent people being drawn against folks from their local leagues.

re the times I favour an earlier start but maybe we could do 1 regular and 2DB games on day one. I know Cramy has been trying to persuade me to do this for months Sad

I wonder if we could fit in another regular game on day 2... probably not.

Cramy - Aug 13, 2007 - 10:48 AM
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Yes, I think that one normal BB game and 2 DB games on day one will be enough. Even with the strict timer rules and all that, we all know that these tournaments always run slower than expected. Just getting things organzied between games and stuff takes time.

I'd also like to start before 10am on the Saturday. But I'll start at anytime, as long as I start. Smile

Last year, wasn't there two games on the Sunday? A normal BB game followed by the DB game? It did finish a bit late, but with the timer rules, it may be better. This would give us 5 games for the weekend. 2 Normal games and 3 DB games. I think I like it. Wink

Notorious_jtb - Aug 13, 2007 - 11:35 AM
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Yeah I think you might be going to get your wish Marc_andre.

so I think we should have a timetable like this:

Saturday:

8-9 register
9-1 DB game 1
1-2 Lunch
2-6 DB game 2
6-7 diner
8-10 BB game 1
10-late whatever you like

Sunday

9-1 DB game 3
1-2 lunch
2-4 BB game 2
4.30-5 prizes
5 home

with strict timers and games ending at the allotted times

Spazzfist - Aug 13, 2007 - 12:46 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

If we can keep it on time, then we actually finish an hour ealier - there is one accounted for between dinner and the BB game.

But seriously Joe, either give up the journals or buy a dictaphone! Then we can have a hope of being on time!

Blank_Page - Aug 13, 2007 - 02:30 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Random first matches is what causes people to play against people they normally play.

If you having the regular game as the last game of Day 1, then get people to write down the names of 2-3 people they've never played before, and then pair people vs these people. Its a bit of work but not so much that causes major complications.

You could even do this for the first game, etc...

Cramy - Aug 13, 2007 - 07:21 PM
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Blank_Page wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

I would think that pairing for the first game would probably be best, as there are no rankings yet. I like this idea.

Notorious_jtb - Aug 14, 2007 - 08:49 AM
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Cramy wrote:

Blank_Page wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

I would think that pairing for the first game would probably be best, as there are no rankings yet. I like this idea.

the only issue with a regular game for the first match is that we end up with an early lunch.

Notorious_jtb - Aug 14, 2007 - 08:50 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

Good idea Spazz, I'll bring an automatic recording device to the tournament Smile

Your right about the times, I am a bit sick right now and yesterday was a bad brain day.

Spazzfist - Aug 14, 2007 - 10:02 AM
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Cramy wrote:

I would think that pairing for the first game would probably be best, as there are no rankings yet. I like this idea.

Yeah, and I would love a rematch against Marc-Andre! Smile

Cramy - Aug 14, 2007 - 11:03 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Cramy wrote:

I would think that pairing for the first game would probably be best, as there are no rankings yet. I like this idea.

Yeah, and I would love a rematch against Marc-Andre! Smile

So this match pairing think could be open to abuse me thinks. See, Spazz is already picking on me. Laughing

Blank_Page - Aug 17, 2007 - 01:28 PM
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You've already played Spazz. This pairing is not intended to be a rematch, its to allow people to play someone they have NEVER played before.

Whats wrong with early lunch? No one easts breakfast.

Spazzfist - Aug 17, 2007 - 03:07 PM
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Blank_Page wrote:

You've already played Spazz. This pairing is not intended to be a rematch, its to allow people to play someone they have NEVER played before.

I know - couldn't resist the heads up to Marc-andre that I am gunning for him! Twisted Evil

I totally agree though, it really bugs me when you travel a long distance to a tourney and end up only playing guys who are local to you anyways.

Blank_Page - Aug 17, 2007 - 06:30 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

I totally agree though, it really bugs me when you travel a long distance to a tourney and end up only playing guys who are local to you anyways.

Well Craig, The problem you have will always continue to be a problem because everyone from Brampton is a loser, and therefore always get seeded in the lower bracket with the other losers. Thus creating the problem of you losers always playing each other.

BOOYEAH!

Spazzfist - Aug 17, 2007 - 10:34 PM
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Uhhh...... how many tourneys have your won George? We've got Ben, we've got me, and we've got Eric..... okay, we have Ben and me! Razz

Blank_Page - Aug 20, 2007 - 08:20 AM
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I forgot Ben and Eric live in Brampton. Sorry guys.

Taxal - Aug 31, 2007 - 05:47 PM
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YES!!!!!

Come back after many months away and see Death Bowl is a go for this year...it looks like myself and my buddy will be heading down to Ottawa for the fun. Well try to bring others with us. Now which team to play....thinking Ogres might be the way to go...

Dan

Cramy - Sep 01, 2007 - 07:15 PM
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Joe, do you have a location yet?

Notorious_jtb - Sep 04, 2007 - 07:57 AM
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Cramy wrote:

Joe, do you have a location yet?

Not yet, we are still considering a couple of options...

It won't be at the Dominion tavern this time though.
Not that it was a real problem last time.

Cramy - Sep 04, 2007 - 10:45 AM
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Well, the Dominion Tavern was good, but we can't be there Saturday evening. It's too crowded. And that's going to be a problem, as I expect that we will finish quite late on the Saturday.

And I'm not sure how well the tables will accomodate the DeathBowl pitches.

For the DeathBowl, I think that we need a different location.

Marc-Andre

Clan_Skaven - Sep 04, 2007 - 09:03 PM
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Glenn's apartment!!!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 05, 2007 - 08:13 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Glenn's apartment!!!

Glen would love that, however its just not quite big enough, although we have had 5 regular league games going in the apartment at once.

No we are looking at a couple of places, the galleries SAW, the Carling Tavern (although Rob Keefe was our connected guy there and he's off to Toronto Sad

) and maybe a local community hall...

It will all be ok, I am confident of that.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 05, 2007 - 08:14 AM
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Cramy wrote:

I agree with you totally on this one Marc-Andre

Spazzfist - Sep 05, 2007 - 08:53 AM
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I have been hearing for a while that Rob is supposed to be coming to Toronto. When is this going to happen? Do you know whereabouts in Toronto he will be moving to?

I was also wondering whether the Deathbowl will be making use of The Draft?

Notorious_jtb - Sep 05, 2007 - 09:15 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Rob moved this weekend.
He's living in etobicoke.

The deathbowl won't be using the draft. No need to over do it now is there Wink

The CCKO will continue to use the draft in subsequent incarnations.

Spazzfist - Sep 05, 2007 - 12:00 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

The deathbowl won't be using the draft. No need to over do it now is there Wink

The CCKO will continue to use the draft in subsequent incarnations.

So what skill advancement system will the Deathbowl be using?

And while on the topic, is there any word of the next CCKO?

Clan_Skaven - Sep 05, 2007 - 02:16 PM
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AQnyone know Rob's contact info & if he plans on attending any upcoming tournies?

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Sep 06, 2007 - 07:23 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

AQnyone know Rob's contact info & if he plans on attending any upcoming tournies?

Rod

I have rob's contact info, I'll pm it to you, not going to post it!

I'm sure he'll come to some tournies.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 06, 2007 - 07:26 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

The deathbowl won't be using the draft. No need to over do it now is there Wink

The CCKO will continue to use the draft in subsequent incarnations.

So what skill advancement system will the Deathbowl be using?

And while on the topic, is there any word of the next CCKO?

We'll let you know this soon. We had a cool plan when all the games were deathbowl and now it might need tweaked.

The CCKO should be in january again, but we're not worrying about that one just yet!

JTb

Notorious_jtb - Sep 13, 2007 - 07:14 PM
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UPDATE!

The games may be all Deathbowl again.

In which case the cool system I talked about wil be in effect Smile

Location soon to be sorted.

Chat to me more at the Niaggaroth brewery open/cup!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 17, 2007 - 01:31 PM
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Scoring system

Beating your direct opponent (win) = 3 points
Tieing with your direct opponent (Tie) = 1 point
Losing to your direct opponent (Loss) = 0 points

Bonus

Scoring the most TDs on the table = 2 points
Causing the most CAS on the table = 1 point

(CAS only count from blocking)

The full rules will be up this week.................

Notorious_jtb - Sep 18, 2007 - 08:04 AM
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The Painting Scoring

There are a maximum of 2.5 points for painting (a little less than one "win") which most people should be able to get.

There are 6 painting categories, each worth 1/2 a point so you can miss one and still get your full 2.5 points.

The categories are:

Painted : All models are fully painted, with no metal or undercoat showing. Three colours are the minimum allowed.

Based: All models have a textured base

Numbered: All models are numbered in a visible way

Detailed: All models are highlighted/shaded or whatever so they don't just look like the "flat" basic colour

Conversion: At least one model on the team has had significant work done on it to make if different from the production version.

Representative: All the models on the team are representative of the player they depict. E.g. the lizardmen team has small models for the skinks and big models for the saurus (they don't need to be lizards though, they could be big and little monkeys for example Wink

) Another way to get this 1/2 point is to use the ring colour basing scheme. You could have a team of 11 linemen models but paint the blitzer base rings red, the catchers yellow, the throwers white, the blockers green and the linemen black ala 2nd edition.

Clan_Skaven - Sep 18, 2007 - 05:42 PM
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Ok who for sure is going? Greg from my Tourney & maybe Chris may want to attend (if they go I may as well go too.

Taxal - Sep 19, 2007 - 07:35 AM
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Well myself and my buddy Pat will be coming for sure. Montreal represent !!!!!!

Taxal (Dan)

Cramy - Sep 19, 2007 - 08:00 AM
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Great news Dan.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 19, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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Great stuff!

Peter Meers e-mailed me yesterday and said he wants to come too.

We have a heap of guys in Ottawa who are going to play.

I will put together a list when a couple more people say yey or ney.

Spazzfist - Sep 19, 2007 - 09:56 AM
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Be very interested to read the official rules for the ogre teams, as I am a little reluctant to play them after my experiences with the vampire team at Rod's tourney. Might want to play a team that is a little more competitive! (But then this is a great incentive for me to finish painting my "Luchadores"!)

Daggers - Sep 19, 2007 - 11:03 AM
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With the modified rules for Ogres, I was tempted to bring them. You may be as well. I also thought of Dwarves, just so I can bring a Deathroller. I mean cmon, no ref!!! My deathroller could play the entire game, hahahaha. Gotta love that.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 19, 2007 - 12:56 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

I believe you will enjoy the ogre rules.
I have been sticking bits of the rules in the front page of this thread.

But essentially Ogres get this:

10k discount on purchasing Pro skill (ogre players only not the snotlings)
The ability to hire up to two star players from Brick Fa'rth & grotty (one choice but 2 roster slots), Morg 'n' Thorg, Scrappa, Nobbla. (given there is no referee hiring the secret weapons is particularly nice)

And something which is not specificaly for them, but something they will enjoy, is the new rule on assists. We will be applying the normal rulebook definition of assists to this tournament. So you may only assist on a block by or against one of your own players. You automatically cancel the assists of any opposing players in your tacklezone. Guard works as in LRB5.

The main benefit of this rule is speed and simplicity. No long waits and discussions before blocks are made, its all action baby!
I believe the Ogres will enjoy this change more than some other teams due to their high strength. Therefore this change is particularly suitable for the year of the ogre.

Go on craig, we all want to see the your mexican wrestlers face off against maureen's. How cool is that gonna be!

Alliance Bowl is dead!
Long live Deathbowl!

Daggers - Sep 19, 2007 - 01:23 PM
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Yeah, when the assist rule was brought up, I thought that was awesome. Every man for himself. Stronger players have a bigger advantage I would say. There is no way in hell I am gonna run head first into that scrum. Between all the possible big guys involved in the game. That's a WHOLE LOTTA punching going on. Can't wait.

Daggers - Sep 19, 2007 - 01:25 PM
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Hey Joe, have we mentioned a price yet? I can't remember if something was decided.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 19, 2007 - 01:27 PM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Hey Joe, have we mentioned a price yet? I can't remember if something was decided.

I think we should charge what Brian did last year, which was $40.

we are providing a bunch of food (on saturday) so that sounds fair to me.

Spazzfist - Sep 19, 2007 - 01:45 PM
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Wow, I think I might just be massochistic enough to consider taking them after all! Certainly some good incentves to do so, not the least of which would be showing Maureesn's Luchadore wannabes just who the real wrestlers are! Muy Fantastico!

Taxal - Sep 19, 2007 - 02:22 PM
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well that settles that for me....will be bringing my ogre team for sure now......break big things into little things

what amount of $$ do we have to build team with....

Notorious_jtb - Sep 19, 2007 - 02:27 PM
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You have 1250000gp for team building.

You can buy improvements at the rate in the LRB book (20k normal skill, 30k doubles skill, +1MA or +1AV, 40k +1AG, 50k +1ST)
Ogres get Pro for 20k rather than 30k (hence the 10k discount)

Any race may buy inducements but only ogres are allowed star players.
There are no referees so the bribes are a silly buy Wink

there are a bunch of rules listed on the first post of this topic and the full rulebook will be available in the next couple of days!

Eric.R. - Sep 19, 2007 - 09:47 PM
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I was 100% on for this tourny till my buddy [stupidly] decided to get married and have the rehersal that day. Man, his marriage is ruining my life!! Or lack there of if I think BB is more important than the holiness of love.

Dispite that, should I have nothing better to do in my life I may try to show up Sunday to present the 'You Suck More Than Eric Trophy' to the sucker who gets the spoon. Imma go S&M on that a$$ of who recieves the spoon . . . No mercy, Biatch!! It is my right as the 2006 Spoon "Winner" . . . .

Maybe we could have a spoon-off . . . actually that sounds REAL dirty . . . .

Spazzfist - Sep 20, 2007 - 08:06 AM
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I worked out a potential tream for the ogres last night and was not getting as much "bang for my buck" as I had hoped (those ogres are so friggin' expensive now!) But I have something that just may work. I think you can safely count me in for the ogres, as this is my big chance to finally finish off that team once and for all!

Who knows, maybe I will be the recipient of the "I suck worse than Eric" award! No, wait, Clan-Skaven and Talons are coming, so I should be okay.... Very Happy

Let all the rest of you fear Los Luchadores, for El Asso Wipo is going to break your back over his knee (with back breaking gesture) like so!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 20, 2007 - 08:22 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Let all the rest of you fear Los Luchadores, for El Asso Wipo is going to break your back over his knee (with back breaking gesture) like so!

Its similar for most races. I worked out a few teams for a variety of races and you don't seem to get as much as you think you would for 125.

So don't worry. I think the most people will be unhappy to see ogres at their table, and everyone will be very unhappy to see two ogre teams!

Spazzfist - Sep 20, 2007 - 08:25 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

So don't worry. I think the most people will be unhappy to see ogres at their table, and everyone will be very unhappy to see two ogre teams!

Unhappy for all the strength to be sure, but personally, I am always happy to face off against teams that I don't normally see. I'd rather take on ogres than dwarves any day!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 20, 2007 - 08:31 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

So don't worry. I think the most people will be unhappy to see ogres at their table, and everyone will be very unhappy to see two ogre teams!

Unhappy for all the strength to be sure, but personally, I am always happy to face off against teams that I don't normally see. I'd rather take on ogres than dwarves any day!

Wouldn't we all. I have played 3 games against dwarf teams in a couple of tournaments this year. I say booo.
But I'd still be unhappy trying to score on 2 ogre teams at deathbowl Smile

Spazzfist - Sep 20, 2007 - 08:57 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

But I'd still be unhappy trying to score on 2 ogre teams at deathbowl Smile

Or one vampire team at any other! Wink

Taxal - Sep 20, 2007 - 10:00 AM
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I know you said that the draft will not be making it to Death Bowl. Will there be any other "advances" during the tourney.
example: after each game a roll for one upgrade for a player of your choice

Notorious_jtb - Sep 20, 2007 - 11:51 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

But I'd still be unhappy trying to score on 2 ogre teams at deathbowl Smile

Or one vampire team at any other! Wink

haha, touche!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 20, 2007 - 11:53 AM
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Taxal wrote:

I know you said that the draft will not be making it to Death Bowl. Will there be any other "advances" during the tourney.
example: after each game a roll for one upgrade for a player of your choice

I think there will be no advancing. There is enough extra stuff to deal with anyway without advancing teams. This way you know what you have from the start and you build your plan around it. Don't forget we're playing 4 games of Deathbowl, not regular bloodbowl. I'm sure everyone will want a rest between games rather than worrying about picking skills.

Taxal - Sep 20, 2007 - 12:21 PM
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makes it alot easier to pick the starting roster with upgrades....

thanks

Cramy - Sep 20, 2007 - 06:55 PM
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Shudder... Facing-off against two Ogre teams. That's probably 10 Ogres in my way. I had enough trouble with 5 treemen last year. But I won't be bringing Orcs this year. Let those Ogres try to catch me.

Los Ludicruses won't be whiping anything. They'll be too busy trying to revive dead snotlings while I score my 5th touchdown.

Eggball - Sep 21, 2007 - 05:14 AM
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What happens if two Ogre coaches both hire Nobbla or Scrappa? Do the stars cancel out?

I'm also working on an Ogre team myself. But with a maximum of about one hour to paint per week, I may not get them ready in time....

Notorious_jtb - Sep 21, 2007 - 07:38 AM
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Eggball wrote:

I think that the stars may have to cancel out. Although if both ogre coaches have the same two players, maybe they get one each? Hmm, good question Eggball. I will refer this one to the Ottawa rules committee.

Good luck with the painting. If they are anything like your norse I'm sure they will be amazing!

So can I take this as an indication that your coming?

Spazzfist - Sep 21, 2007 - 08:24 AM
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I really hope that you can get that team done EB, I'm a big fan of your work!

Cramy, you can cram it! Los Luchadores are going to Mexican Medieval on your a$$! There will be muchos muertes and the blood will spill around my feet as the broken and torn limbs form piles on the pitch. The Snotlings will dance in the splattered remains of your bodies, and hail victory chants to the adoring fans. Glory shall beong to the Luchadores one way or another, you had only better hope that you are not sitting across from me!

Taxal - Sep 21, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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So what is the total on Ogre teams so far.....yes , no , maybe`s

YES: Taxal , Spazzfist

MAYBE:

Spazzfist - Sep 21, 2007 - 09:33 AM
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Los Luchadores are a "Si"! So tremble before the might of the most mighty of mighty ogres! For they will destroy all those who dare oppose them (or who dare to get in their way of the burrito vendor!)

Notorious_jtb - Sep 21, 2007 - 12:14 PM
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Trophies at Deathbowl V

1st
2nd
3rd
Most TDs
Most CAS (from blocking only)
Baddest Ogre (highest ranked Ogre team)
Best Sportsman
Wooden Spoon

Maybe Worst Sportsman too.

Spazzfist - Sep 21, 2007 - 12:18 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Eggball wrote:

In normal games of BB, this would work (to cancel the stars out) but you have to keep in mind that there will be two other opponents that will be getting an advantage by the cancelling of these players.

I would say, that given the draw of the Deathbowl you have many skilled players who are coming out - some of whom are very similiarly skilled. But then that's just me....

Notorious_jtb - Sep 21, 2007 - 12:22 PM
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I might agree with you on that one spazz

For the sake of simplicity we will probably say that all the stars for the ogres can play

Eric.R. - Sep 21, 2007 - 12:39 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

...There will be muchos muertes and the blood will spill around my feet as the broken and torn limbs form piles on the pitch. The Snotlings will dance in the splattered remains of your bodies, and hail victory chants to the adoring fans. Glory shall beong to the Luchadores one way or another, you had only better hope that you are not sitting across from me!

Why am I not suprised that Spazz is running a Rudos camp? It seems the only way he can win is to break the rules. But, Spazz you must realise that the Técnicos always win in the end.

Thought I would add a little Lucha Libre terms to the argument . . . .

Notorious_jtb - Sep 21, 2007 - 12:46 PM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

I bow to your incredible knowledge of mexican wrestling. I feel as though I am missing out. Maybe I should go rent Nacho Libre.

p.s. Eric just sent you the stuff for the website from deathbowl@gmail.com let me know if it gets spammed out :0

Spazzfist - Sep 21, 2007 - 01:49 PM
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[quote="Eric.R."]Why am I not suprised that Spazz is running a Rudos camp? It seems the only way he can win is to break the rules. But, Spazz you must realise that the Técnicos always win in the end.[quote]

No muchachos, you are muy mistaken. It is those who have the motivación who are the victors.

And letme re-assure you my soon to broken-backed little heffe, I have muy motivación!

Luchadores will crush!

BB_Babe - Sep 21, 2007 - 06:20 PM
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My travel plans and budget for October are more complicated now than anticpated. I'm still trying to sort things out so I can make the trip, stay tuned...

But Los Ogros son todos rudos -- Los Tornados Enmascardos call Camino Rudo their home pitch. After experiencing the terrible crush of a Tornado Drop, uno técnico will have no motivación to rise again Orc

Can you purchase more than 1 skill for a player?

Cheers,
Maureen

CMLLBB
Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre Blood Bowl

Notorious_jtb - Sep 21, 2007 - 06:50 PM
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Hey Maureen fingers crossed you can make it. It would be ace to see the ogre face off!

You can definitely take more than one skill or stat increase on a player. the only limits are the ones in LRB5 no more than 6 improvements on a player and no more than +2 to any stat.

JTB

Eggball - Sep 22, 2007 - 06:43 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

So can I take this as an indication that your coming?

Yup, I plan to be there with or without my Ogres!

Spazzfist - Sep 22, 2007 - 01:42 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

I bow to your incredible knowledge of mexican wrestling. I feel as though I am missing out. Maybe I should go rent Nacho Libre.

You can begin your education here:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2023621461

enjoy!

Eric.R. - Sep 22, 2007 - 10:40 PM
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Nacho Libre is an insult to the art that is Lucha Libre. Jack Blake can suck Ray Mysterios's. . . well you can figure the rest. If I knew spanish more than burrito and taco I would sling some insults that would make any sailor blush.

BTW, Spazz Asso Wipo (later renamed 'the Wiper' when he joined the WWF) is not the Jack-A$$ that you portray him to be as he would never break the back of a baby or the holy back of a priest . . . Now El Diablo Negro is a real mutha to contend with . . . And do not get me started on Senoir Bag`o`Crap . . . (I watched MADTV religiously back in the day, so don't contest, BIATCH!!)

Spazzfist - Sep 22, 2007 - 11:02 PM
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Back off man, or I will break your wooden spoon like so! On my knee!

Notorious_jtb - Sep 24, 2007 - 08:11 AM
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Hahaha, you better be bringing allsorts of silly names and "chat" to the tournie!
This is gonna be fun!

Spazzfist - Sep 24, 2007 - 10:55 AM
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Yeah the luchadores themselves have some good names - including the homage to El Asso Wipo! I will post pics of them shortly, as they are done, as they only need bases now. "Los Cucarachas" are assembling as we speak, and will also be shown when they are ready.

Clan_Skaven - Sep 25, 2007 - 06:21 PM
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After reading the rules of the Death-Bowl I have decided not to go. I will be attending the Capital City Kick Off instead.

I do like the idea of 4 rounds of Death Bowl change I think it can work. I like the enforced timers on the games.

I do agree talking to an opponent while they are trying to do thier turn is indeed rude, stratagising plans with the others at the table isn't. And for the record it is not Alliance Bowl when you make plans with someone to help you try & do better it is called smart planning. I'm not trying to bash you're thread please don't take it as such Cool

I'm just stating that the DB was a very successfull tourney in the past (I was at 2,3 & 4! All very successfull! (I hope this one will be as well) It's just to go & change the format (4 DB rounds instead of one DB round at end) that (to me works) putting a strict timed limmit as well works. But to take out the parts of Death-Bowl that made it for what it was (& made it so very fun & my personal favourite tourney) in my opinion takes the whole excitement out of the game.

I loved the plays where I'm going to block player X's lineman & then other players announce assists afterwards (sometimes it worked for you & sometimes the opponents screwed you or backstabbed you) That is not Alliance Bowl that is Death-Bowl!

I'm sorry guys I'm not trying to put a black cloud over you're tourney, I'm just stating my opinion on the extreme changes that are being made to the Greatest BB tourney I look forward to every year.
Confused

It would be kind of like having a red or blue glow appear behind the puck on a pass or shot on a telivised hockey game (might seem like a good idea at the time, but....)

In closing I wish you all a great success with the Death-Bowl & I hope many still attend, I was only going to go to one Ottawa tourney & was seriously considering the DB, but after the read up on the new set of rules I will be Ottawa bound in Jan. instead.

Others reading this don't take this as me bashing the organisors I know they are are all very capable of continuing the DB legacy of a great event (just not in the same way I personaly would like it, then again I have ordered a triple anchovy pizza before, I bet not too many would agree with my choice there). Still Good Luck guys I wish you the best of luck with the tourney.

Best Wishes Rod.

Spazzfist - Sep 25, 2007 - 07:56 PM
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Sorry to hear that you will not be coming out Rod, you will be missed!

But while I understand what the new Deathbowl Organizers are trying to do and that many of the changes are designed to ensure the speed of the games, I do have to agree with Rod on a couple of points:

1) I think the whole idea of taking out assisting blocks from either team is kinda silly, it does not make much sense, and takes out a fun element of the game.

2) I think you can do what you want to try to remove the element of "Alliance Bowl", but it is going to happen regardless. Imagine if there is a Deathbowl table set up like this:

Joe

Rod Ben

Craig

If Joe is about to score on me, and there is nothing (or very little) I can do about it, and Rod has a chance to score on Ben, b ut the only thing in his way is me, then I will move out of Rod's way to allow him to score before Joe scores on me. That isn't Alliance Bowl, that's just smart playing. I would rather end up tying Joe then allowing him to score and letting him actually have a chance at beating me! Wink

And that is only one example....

I love Deathbowl, I love the road trips, and I am strangely happy to saee you Ottawa boys (even for all the abuse I take from you guys). I am happy to come out and have some games, and then form a more educated opinion after I see what it is like in practise as oppose to on paper.

....but I would seriously consider what you are trying to do, and not try to fix something too much that really wasn't broken to begin with.

Spazz

Talons - Sep 25, 2007 - 09:37 PM
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Well said Spazz!!!!! Guys, I'm definitely going to keep my opinions to myself on this topic because I'm afraid that I won't use the proper tact when I speak. Rod always tells me that I say things in a hurtful manner to others, so I won't post my sentiments until I clearly think of the proper way to say them.

I hope the tourney is successful, as it has in the past, I know that you all went to great lengths to purchase the DeathBowl when Brian was giving it up. So I applaud you guys for that, but to change the way the DeathBowl has been for 4 years I think is a travesty. I will post further at another time.

Cramy - Sep 26, 2007 - 06:53 AM
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Wow. I for one was not thinking that people would feel that strongly about how the rules are being changed.

Now that we know how people feel, we can try to fix it. We can't fix things if if we don't know that there is something to fix. Smile

So this feedback is very helpful.

Looks like if three main things were highlighted. Point 1) being the main issue.

1) People would prefer to bring back the original way that assists work.

2) Is there a problem with 4 DB games, or do people prefer only the last game be DB? Not that clear to me if this is an issue or not.

3) Generally speaking, people would like the tournament to be run exactly like Brian ran it. I'm thinking that using the LRB5 ruleset would be OK? How about the BB7's round?

Anybody else has opinions about this? Did I express your concerns accurately?

A concern that Rod had was with odd-men out, as we may need 3 of them for DeathBowl. Glenn, Joe and Mark are the odd-men out this year. So no need to worry.

All thoughts and opinions welcome.

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 07:10 AM
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Cramy,

I am not stongly opposed to the changes, don't get me wrong there. I do want to attend, and see how it works before I make any stronger statements about what works and what doesn't.

But having said that, if there was anything that I am not crazy about it is the lack of assisting, that just doesn't make sense to me.

I am not saying in any way that Deathbowl shuld be run as Brian ran it ( not that therre was anything wrong with that). With new management comes a new spin on it, that's cool. Frankly, I am excited about the prospect of the four Deathbowl games and I know there was more than one person that really hated the 7's. I am more easy going, and was out just to have fun - no matter what. My only concern is that this has turned into Glenn Jones trying to prevent people playing the "Alliance Bowl". Fair enough - he wants to try to prevent it, but honestly, I think that he can't completely. My concern then is that he is going to take away some of the more fun elements of the Deathbowl in his attempt to do so.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 07:47 AM
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I think the alliance bowl vs deathbowl debate is the issue here. It is certainly at the heart of Rod's statement.

Maybe the language we used was a little strong in terms of being down on alliance bowl.

In fact in an earlier draft there was an explicit reference to the result between the other two players being something of interest to you as well. Something which you should attempt to manipulate to your advantage.

I agree totally with your example Spazz. There is no way someone is going to chose to allow a score on them when they could aid a score on someone else.

The main goal of the anti-alliance bowl chat was to prevent a players whole turn being taken up with chat and then they run out of time, which would be unfair. Something which Rod agreed with. Although on the flip side Rods observation that we seemed to have banned planning and plotting is unfortunate, it wasn't our intention. If you can plan and plot without disrupting the coach who's turn it is, feel free.
I think Glen had a very bad experience at DBIII, with one player basically playing two of the teams that got him upset. One of the things this rule was supposed to prevent was "coaching" from another bench. again an unfair thing.

The main idea was that the active player could talk and make deals during his turn. It adds structure to the whole thing, which keeps the game moving on.

The assist rule was a solution to a problem, as Spazz says, time. Its is the same as the alliance chat, a coach dithering about trying to decide who to assist costs the active coach valuable playing time, which is very unfair.

A solution which works on fairness and aids the speed is the one we suggested, with the assist rule working how it does in the LRB5.0.

The assist rule does make sense Spazz. I can accept people dislike it and people may not think its fun, but it does make sense.
A player is not likely to assist a block for one opponent one minute and then backstab the next. Just try and imagine what you'd do, in a big scrum, you'd look out for yourself and try and help your mates, not a random opponent every turn.
I know this is exaclty what Rod says he likes, and i suspect Rob P enjoys it too, along with a bunch of other people.

I do not dislike the old rule.

However, I personally think the rule change is brilliant. It solves the timekeeping issue around stopping the clock whilst 3 guys decide who to assist on a block. It adds realism. It makes the game simpler and quicker.

It all comes down to this. If 4 games of deathbowl is apealing then there has to be changes to the rules.
If you have all day to play one game then you can use the old rules and its all good.
If you need to play 3 games in one day then it has to happen faster.

Unless anyone has a great idea to make the declaring of assists quicker...................................?

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:02 AM
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The only thing I could think of for quick assists would be the following:

Y
X
Z

In the case where player Z is blocking player X and player Y is in a position to assist then they must assist. The same would work in defensive assists.

XY
Z

Where player Z is blocking player X and Y could assist either way, then let the dice decide. 1-3 they assist offensively, 4-6 they assist defensively (alternatively, you could say they would go 1-2 offensive, 3-4 defensive and 5-6 they do nothing) This adds elements of risk and chance, as well as removing any pre-set alliances.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:16 AM
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Good idea mechanically Spazz.

Its fairly straightforward and quick.
I wonder if it is a little bit restraining to be forced to assist. I'm not sure people will like that anymore than not being allowed to. We shall see.

Hmmmm

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:25 AM
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Well if you think about it, the coach in any sport only has so much influence over his players. Sometimes they just act out of their own accord! If you are worried about the forced assist, then go for the three result option where there is a chance that they do nothing at all.

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:27 AM
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I feel there is little left for me to say since Joe and Cramy have voiced the organizers side of the coin so well. And I appreciate Rod and Spazz voicing their opinions, and in a fashion that allows us to try and improve the tournament by offering reason why, instead of just bitching and complaining they don't like it.

To me, alot of this stems from the idea that we wanted to offer 4 games of deathbowl, which I still believe is a wonderful idea. But with that came serious time contraints, each game taking so long, and only so much useable time in a day, made it interesting to find solutions to speed it up. With that I think maybe we tried to hard and removed some aspects of the game that just can't be removed, such as the assists. I believe allowing the coaches to choose who to assist is still the best option, but I believe we will need to find a happy medium.

People keep saying that Brians deathbowl was fine, why change it? But Spazz said it perfectly, new management, new outlook. We wanted to offer ONLY Deathbowl, and that was our main goal. I am sorry if this offends anyone, but if you want to play regular BB, you can do that anytime. Tournaments are supposed to be the chance to offer something different. If you do not like that philosophy and decide not to come, hopefully our tournament goes well and people say good things about it. Then maybe next year you will change your mind.

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:30 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

I acutally like the idea of rolling to assist, the coach who is blocking can decide if he wants to roll the dice, but if he does he has to accept the result, whether it be for or against him. Then it stays true to the whole philosophy of Bloodbowl, roll the dice and take a chance.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:34 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Actually, there is merit to this plan. I have to admit I didn't read the randomness part properly spazz. Makes me worry about posting such long essays Wink

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:43 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Very well put Marc. I am glad that you understood Rod's and my good intentions, and you have summarized all the points well.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 08:48 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Very well put Marc. I am glad that you understood Rod's and my good intentions, and you have summarized all the points well.

I agree, I've been very wrapped up in speeding up deathbowl since we took over. It became my main objective.

I think I did lose sight of the fun with the assist rule. Although, the new assist rule really would have helped your ogres Spazz Wink

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 09:14 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Dwarfrunner wrote:

I feel there is blah blah blah. Then maybe next year you will change your mind.

Very well put Marc. I am glad that you understood Rod's and my good intentions, and you have summarized all the points well.

Thanks teach, do I get an A+? I believe we will find an acceptable solution that will give enough people a reason to come out and try it. When it goes well, then the people who didn't come this year can sit at home wishing they had come.

BB_Babe - Sep 26, 2007 - 09:49 AM
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In our 7's League, 4-way DeathCup matches can be played whenever 4 teams agree to one. The assist rule we use is that after one player declares a block, we go around the table clockwise to the two players who are not active participants in that block. Each player in turn declares if they are assisting or not, and who they are assisting before the next player declares.

Cheers,
Mo

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 10:14 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Yeah. That formalises things and adds structure, and more importantly puts pressure on the players to be quick as everyone knows who's holding things up Smile

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 10:32 AM
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The thing with the dice rolls option is that a coach loses the power to control his own player. To make that even easier, coaches can declare they will only assit on the offensive side, then they can leave the table and go look at other games for a minute.

Taxal - Sep 26, 2007 - 10:52 AM
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My opinion on this topic is with under one month till the tourney should this not be finalized, so we can all figure out our team structure.
Without assists it will change game play and speed it up abit (might make it interesting also), but with prob. 90% of us with exp. in Death Bowl will it really change the speed factor.

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:26 AM
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It will be fixed very soon, so we can go back to working on other stuff for the tournament, and you can go back to worring about how many halflings I am going to kill. Joe or Cramy will likely announce something tomorrow or soon there-after.

Seriously, you aren't going to bring halflings to this are you? That just seems cruel, especially with the promotion of Ogres, that could be an interesting massacre.

Taxal - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:34 AM
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Nope.....my Ogre team will be making another apperance in Death Bowl.

Here is a question for you guys....will you be keeping the Year of the_______ for every Death Bowl. Myself I love the little promotions for some of the under-dogs.

Ben - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:37 AM
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I am sure whatever the rules are it will be fun.

Just give it a try and if we find that certian rules don't make sense or take the fun out of the game then we can make those suggestions for next year.

Stop wining and get packing!

Ben

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:46 AM
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Taxal wrote:

we think we will be keeping the theme.

Especially as people seem to get a kick out of it.

Notorious_jtb - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:46 AM
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Ben wrote:

cheers
Ben

Hopefully you'll be right and it'l be fun Smile

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:49 AM
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Thank you Ben, thats my thought. If the majority of the group that participates doesnt like a certain rule after the tournament, we will remove/revise it for the next year.

Taxal: yes, we are hoping to continue this theme idea next year, we already have a team in mind. Teaser hints will be given at the tournament.

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 11:54 AM
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Taxal wrote:

Here's a suggestion, how about the year of the Eric? Laughing

Spazzfist - Sep 26, 2007 - 12:06 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

I think I did lose sight of the fun with the assist rule. Although, the new assist rule really would have helped your ogres Spazz Wink

The Luchadores don't need help! Those other teams will need help to get off the field after I break their backs like so! On my knee!

Dwarfrunner wrote:

Thanks teach, do I get an A+?

Sure you do...... but that is a modified grade, because you take the short bus into school. You special boy you! Laughing

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 12:13 PM
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[quote="Spazzfist"]

Notorious_jtb wrote:

I think I did lose sight of the fun with the assist rule. Although, the new assist rule really would have helped your ogres Spazz Wink

The Luchadores don't need help! Those other teams will need help to get off the field after I break their backs like so! On my knee!

[quote="Dwarfrunner"]
Thanks teach, do I get an A+?

Quote:

Sure you do...... but that is a modified grade, because you take the short bus into school. You special boy you! Laughing

Is that a height joke? Just because I am short I have to ride a short bus. Does that mean you ride a garbage truck cause you smell? Or do you ride a toilet since your full of sh!t? ROFLMAO

My mom says I am special, that why I had to ride the short bus.

Daggers - Sep 26, 2007 - 12:35 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Taxal wrote:

Here's a suggestion, how about the year of the Eric? Laughing

There is not enough bonuses we can give to make that fun. Very Happy

Unless we give the wooden spoon as first prize

Cramy - Sep 26, 2007 - 06:13 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Taxal wrote:

Here's a suggestion, how about the year of the Eric? Laughing

I like it

Spazzfist - Sep 29, 2007 - 09:47 AM
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So any word on how many people plan on showing up for this Ogre-fest?

The Luchadores need to know how many victims that they can expect to stomp on as they pummel their way to Blood Bowl god-status! Very Happy

Eric.R. - Sep 29, 2007 - 11:59 PM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Taxal wrote:

Here's a suggestion, how about the year of the Eric? Laughing

There is not enough bonuses we can give to make that fun. Very Happy

Unless we give the wooden spoon as first prize

I love you guys to . . . Sad

But to be soo well known around the NAF is better than being some unknown mid-ranker.

Daggers - Oct 02, 2007 - 07:52 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

I love you guys to . . . Sad

But to be soo well known around the NAF is better than being some unknown mid-ranker.

I think that's debateable. Being at the bottom means you can't make fun of anyone, since you are at the bottom. And when you show up with a big lump on your forehead, that just gives us more fodder to make fun of you with. I mean really, you might as well show up in a tutu, and just get it over with.

Spazzfist - Oct 02, 2007 - 07:58 AM
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Don't listen to whatshisface, Eric! He will never receive the love that you get from the NAF! (Or the love that your MOM gets!)

So Ottawa b!tches, any word on how many are attending? I want to know whether my victory is going to be something memorable and a real accomplishment, or a cheap gimme tourney like somebody's win at one of the Spikes! Smile

Clan_Skaven - Oct 02, 2007 - 08:35 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

At least I won the real SPIKE & not the warm up one!

Rod

(Still & forever the 2006 SPIKE Champion! Oh yeah it was a MAJOR all right!)

Notorious_jtb - Oct 02, 2007 - 09:38 AM
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Not sure on the numbers yet.

A few people are definite maybes, but I think we should have 20 and I hope a bit more but it depends.

We have 3 odd men out too, to make sure we have a number divisible by 4.

Quite a lot of the folks who went last year have let me know they are coming or would like to come.
I havent heard anything from a couple of the guys though.

BB_Babe - Oct 02, 2007 - 09:39 AM
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The odds of my making it are looking grim right now. We just got a $10,000 estimate for fixing the roof....

Mo

Notorious_jtb - Oct 02, 2007 - 11:26 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

The odds of my making it are looking grim right now. We just got a $10,000 estimate for fixing the roof....

Mo

sorry to hear that Mo. good luck with the roof!

Spazzfist - Oct 02, 2007 - 12:10 PM
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Yeah c'mon Maureen! You have to come out - Los Tornados cannot know that they are the inferior ogre team to the Luchadores unless they have their backs broken like so! On their knee!

Besides, in the year of the ogre we need all the ogre teams we can get out there! Ben is already making excuses!

Eric.R. - Oct 02, 2007 - 05:51 PM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Eric.R. wrote:

I love you guys to . . . Sad

But to be soo well known around the NAF is better than being some unknown mid-ranker.

To be remembered, regardless for what reason, is the true path to immortality. History remembers Charles the Bald, Richard the Fat and Paris Hilton not for what they achieved but how terrible they were to society. And, they will remember Eric.R. the Master of the Spoon and not Dwarfrunner the Midcarder . . . .

Eric.R. - Oct 02, 2007 - 05:54 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Don't listen to whatshisface, Eric! He will never receive the love that you get from the NAF!

Thanks for having my back Spazzfist. Props my <<Censored>> . . .

Daggers - Oct 02, 2007 - 06:37 PM
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Spazz's praise is raining down upon you....WAIT...that's not rain

Spazzfist - Oct 02, 2007 - 07:54 PM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Don't listen to whatshisface, Eric! He will never receive the love that you get from the NAF!

Thanks for having my back Spazzfist. Props my <<Censored>> . . .

No problem, now get on those kneepads... Laughing

Eric.R. - Oct 02, 2007 - 08:15 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Eric.R. wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Don't listen to whatshisface, Eric! He will never receive the love that you get from the NAF!

Thanks for having my back Spazzfist. Props my <<Censored>> . . .

No problem, now get on those kneepads... Laughing

I might if Yo' Mamma wasn't currently using them . . . oh snap . . .

Spazzfist - Oct 03, 2007 - 06:27 AM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Eric.R. wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Don't listen to whatshisface, Eric! He will never receive the love that you get from the NAF!

Thanks for having my back Spazzfist. Props my <<Censored>> . . .

No problem, now get on those kneepads... Laughing

I might if Yo' Mamma wasn't currently using them . . . oh snap . . .

Man, you are so lucky that you are not coming out to the Deathbowl! "Cuz I would give you such a skoolin' as to teach you sum respeckt! It worked for your momma, and it would work for you too!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 03, 2007 - 12:04 PM
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Location for Deathbowl V is The Bronson Centre, 211 Bronson Ave, Ottawa.

Hurrah for locations!

JTB

Spazzfist - Oct 03, 2007 - 12:27 PM
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Hurrah for Joe telling us about locations!

Tell us more Joe, what is the location like? and more importantly how close is it to the bars? Very Happy

P.S. I'm gonna win!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 03, 2007 - 12:57 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Hurrah for Joe telling us about locations!

Tell us more Joe, what is the location like? and more importantly how close is it to the bars? Very Happy

P.S. I'm gonna win!

Its less than a mile west of Glen's place. Its not in the market, but its near some bars i reckon.

I havent seen it myself Glenn is dead happy about it though.

The trophies are coming along nicely and the dice/prizes have been ordered.

ah, big sigh of relief.

Rules have been reshaped, and assists are back, but turn etiquette is a big thing stll.

jtb

angryrob - Oct 03, 2007 - 04:16 PM
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You could walk to the Dominion in about 20-25 min from the bronson centre if you had to.
Nice to hear there is a location. Looking forward to a weekend of DeathBowl thats for damn sure!

Cramy - Oct 03, 2007 - 06:10 PM
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Oh yeah, it's for sure. Looking forward to seeing Spazz crying in the corner because his Lost Ludicruses got creamed 4 times in a row. Haaaaa.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 03, 2007 - 06:39 PM
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The website is up with the registration page,

http://www.rubli.ca/deathbowl/

A few finishing touches need to be added but it does stuff.

The rules are pretty much final.

We will add a payment function soon, and there will be a nifty prize draw for pre payment
As well as a semi decent prize draw for registering

JTB

Spazzfist - Oct 03, 2007 - 06:44 PM
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Yes.... crying......

Tears of joy b!tch! The only way that Los Luchadores will be compared to cream is their fantastico ability to rise to the top in each game against the lesser scum!

After my Deathbowl victory, forget French and English as the official languages of Canada! News of the domination of los Luchadores will ring around the nation's capital and people will be clamoring to learn the language of victory which is the Spanish. Parliament will pass a bill in record time declaring October 21st as Los Luchadores Day - a national holiday of celebration, paid vacation and mucho back-breaking. Children will parade in the streets in Mexican wrestling masks, and fireworks displays shall abound. A film shall be made honoring the mighty Luchadores, and their incredible accomplishments and it shall be starring Tito Ortiz as El Asso Wipo.

October 21st shall mark a new day in Canadian history! October 21st will be a day of reckoning for all who oppose me! October 21st shall be a day that belongs to LOS LUCHADORES!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 03, 2007 - 07:35 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

I wish I wasn't a slow painter and had actually painted the ogres I sold to Dwarfrunner Smile

I'd teach teacher a thing or two about pain Smile

whilst the game would be a tie Sad

Spazzfist - Oct 03, 2007 - 09:16 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

I wish I wasn't a slow painter and had actually painted the ogres I sold to Dwarfrunner Smile

I'd teach teacher a thing or two about pain Smile

whilst the game would be a tie Sad

Nah, you would be the odd man out just wishing that you could get into the ring! This way you have removed all temptation! Very Happy

But still, you are a mere pequeño niño. Leave the bloodshed to the grown-ups!

But one day this tie streak will end Byers....... and I think we all know who the victor will be! Twisted Evil

Clan_Skaven - Oct 03, 2007 - 11:25 PM
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On the team registry page there is no Halflings ......

I know they suck, but they still deserve to be a choice, no?

Rod

Cramy - Oct 04, 2007 - 06:27 AM
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Ben, will you be bringing some of those nifty orange dice for people who renew their NAF membership?

Spazzfist - Oct 04, 2007 - 06:29 AM
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Joe,

Just want to clarify a couple of points here:

1) What exactly is being dfone with the blocking? It sounds like the players will have free choice as to who they are going to assist in the blocks now, is that right?

2) What is being done if two ogre teams have the same star player? That point was never clarified, that I noticed.

Ben - Oct 04, 2007 - 07:16 AM
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Cramy wrote:

Ben, will you be bringing some of those nifty orange dice for people who renew their NAF membership?

YES!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 04, 2007 - 07:39 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

On the team registry page there is no Halflings ......

I know they suck, but they still deserve to be a choice, no?

Rod

You thinking of bringing halflings Rod?

I will mention it to our wonderful webmaster Eric.
But if anyone wants to register as a halfling coach, please leave it as to be determined for now Smile

cheers

JTB

Notorious_jtb - Oct 04, 2007 - 07:41 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

1) You are correct. The blocking is remaining as it was in DBIV, except the declaration rule that maureen suggested will be in use. I.e. once a block is declared the coaches declare assists in order clockwise from the active player. Just to speed things up.

2) It is mentioned in the rules doc on the website that there is no problem with multiple star players of the same type being on the field on different ogre teams. So no fear about the stars being outed.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 04, 2007 - 07:42 AM
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Ben wrote:

Cramy wrote:

Ben, will you be bringing some of those nifty orange dice for people who renew their NAF membership?

YES!

Nice

Spazzfist - Oct 04, 2007 - 07:56 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Ben wrote:

Cramy wrote:

Ben, will you be bringing some of those nifty orange dice for people who renew their NAF membership?

YES!

Nice

Yeah, sweet! Because the Deathbowl is my time for renewal!

Cramy - Oct 04, 2007 - 10:59 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

Ben wrote:

Cramy wrote:

Ben, will you be bringing some of those nifty orange dice for people who renew their NAF membership?

YES!

Nice

Yeah, sweet! Because the Deathbowl is my time for renewal!

Spazz, I don't want to see you blame the dice when you pick-up your dismantled Loose Leaches team. It's your team's poor performance fault, not the dice ... Laughing

Spazzfist - Oct 04, 2007 - 11:43 AM
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Yuck it up Cramy!

But mark my words, you will have to be eating your words when this is all over and you bow to me as the new King of Deathbowl!

My strategies are so sound and my Blood Bowl abilities so amazing, that not even Bongo dice could affect my chances of victory!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 04, 2007 - 11:48 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Ah but what about the new Jone..s.. I mean DBV dice?

I reckon they will cause a few endzone tears Smile

Spazzfist - Oct 04, 2007 - 12:13 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Ah but what about the new Jone..s.. I mean DBV dice?

I reckon they will cause a few endzone tears Smile

Jones dice???? Shocked

Guaranteed to roll 1's on any GFI that takes you into the endzone, eh?

Cramy - Oct 04, 2007 - 01:15 PM
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Spazz rolled a "JONES". And another "JONES". Yeeeeyyyyy.

Spazzfist - Oct 04, 2007 - 01:58 PM
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Cramy wrote:

Spazz rolled a "JONES". And another "JONES". Yeeeeyyyyy.

Yeah, luckily it was just for your injury roll. So no big problem there! Wink

Spazzfist - Oct 06, 2007 - 09:27 PM
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Guess by the lack of chatter on this forum means that you other saps have finally conceded that I will be the ultimate victor in this contest! Twisted Evil

Will get some pics up soon - have a lot of painting and other artsy fartsy stuff to do for the team yet.

Spazzfist - Oct 08, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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If anyone is looking to get more in the hype of Deathbowl, watch the opening scene of the Jackie Chan movie "Dragon Lords"! Really cool!

KarlLagerbottom - Oct 08, 2007 - 10:13 AM
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This what you're talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ

Clan_Skaven - Oct 08, 2007 - 11:21 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

This what you're talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ

That was ummm, yeah.....

......

hmmmm......

Spazz you dolt, that was Leonard Nemoy not Jackie Chan, & besides what does that useless clip of crap have to do with the Death-Bowl Exclamation

Rod

Spazzfist - Oct 08, 2007 - 12:55 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

KarlLagerbottom wrote:

This what you're talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ

That was ummm, yeah.....

......

hmmmm......

Spazz you dolt, that was Leonard Nemoy not Jackie Chan, & besides what does that useless clip of crap have to do with the Death-Bowl Exclamation

Rod

What the hell was that???

Sure Rod, blame me for something that KL puts up - the only way that has anything to do with Deathbowl is that it makes me want to hurt someone! Put those freaks in the middle of the four-way field and let all the teams rush forward and beat the crap out of them! Very Happy

Spazzfist - Oct 08, 2007 - 12:58 PM
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Here try this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYyiv_ND7Zc

KarlLagerbottom - Oct 08, 2007 - 01:31 PM
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Yeah Spazz...You DOLT!

HeHeHeHeHe...

angryrob - Oct 08, 2007 - 02:56 PM
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Great now all I need is a team of 4ag linemen with the Chinese
Acrobat skill

Nice clip

Notorious_jtb - Oct 09, 2007 - 02:43 PM
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Don't forget to register for the Deathbowl http://rubli.ca/deathbowl/ (its built on the Bongo Bowl template so don't worry if any references to Bongo come up he can't hurt you, its deathbowl baby!)

There will be a nifty prize draw for everyone who preregisters more than 48 hours in advance.

There will be a smaller prize draw for those who register later than 10pm EST on the 18th, including all the non winners of the "nifty" prize draw.

This is to help us get an idea of numbers for the catering.

cheerio

JTB

p.s. Trophy pictures soon!

Talons - Oct 09, 2007 - 10:44 PM
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Guys, I don't know if I will be able to make it as of yet. I just had hernia surgery today and the 6 hour drive may be too much for me to handle. I hope you all have fun, and I hope all goes well. If I can make it, It will be a last minute decision.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 10, 2007 - 12:59 AM
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Rob if you can go, theres a ride with me Poynter & April, oh & I guess the cat's out of the bag, I'm now going, just not sure what I'm taking yet....

Rod

Cramy - Oct 10, 2007 - 06:18 AM
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Talons wrote:

Ouch. Hope you recover quickly.

Spazzfist - Oct 10, 2007 - 06:52 AM
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Cramy wrote:

Ouch. Hope you recover quickly.

I'll be saying the same thing to your team after I play you Cramy! Laughing

Cramy - Oct 10, 2007 - 09:24 AM
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Looks like if it will be Ogres vs. Skaven and Wood Elves. Poor Ogres.

Can I play against three Ogre teams please? Not Spazz though, that would be way too easy. And I don't want to hurt his feelings ... when I finish killing all his Snotlings. Laughing

Notorious_jtb - Oct 10, 2007 - 09:40 AM
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Talons wrote:

Good luck with the recovery. Fingers crossed you feel better in time. almost 2 weeks might be enough. Especially if you don't have to do the driving!
Thanks for letting us know your "day to day".

jtb

Ben - Oct 10, 2007 - 11:32 AM
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Talons wrote:

Dude, your such a wimp!!! Why would you admit that? Like a hernia operation is such a big deal Laughing

My Grandma and dad both had hernia surgery and were back to WORK (not as hard as playing bloodbow) within 2 days.

So suck it up and start packing.

Ben

BB_Babe - Oct 10, 2007 - 12:58 PM
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Alas the roof budget has won the day, and I shall not be making the trip.

Qué dolores están Los Tornados....

Skull

Spazzfist - Oct 10, 2007 - 01:19 PM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Alas the roof budget has won the day, and I shall not be making the trip.

Qué dolores están Los Tornados....

Skull

Yo quero Taco bell

Talons - Oct 10, 2007 - 01:59 PM
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Rod, where are you guys staying???? Give me a call, I'm at Terri's

Notorious_jtb - Oct 10, 2007 - 02:50 PM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Alas the roof budget has won the day, and I shall not be making the trip.

Qué dolores están Los Tornados....

Skull

Sorry to hear that Maureen!

Spazzfist - Oct 11, 2007 - 06:24 AM
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BB_Babe wrote:

Qué dolores están Los Tornados....

What pains are The Tornados? Confused

Why? Did your ogres break your roof?

Clan_Skaven - Oct 11, 2007 - 09:05 AM
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for accomidations, I heard you mention last year of a hostle that used to be a jail that was cheap, is that close to the venue?

If not suggest somewhere else please.

Rod

Daggers - Oct 11, 2007 - 10:09 AM
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It's not far at all. Drive = 15min, walk = 45 min.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 11, 2007 - 10:10 AM
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This is the website of the jail hostel.
I havent been inside. It is not too far from the venue, an almost walkable mile and abit. and really close to the dominion tavern for day 2

http://www.hostelz.com/hostel/2107-HI---Ottawa-Jail-Hostel

Alot of my friends stayed at the Cartier place suites hotel
http://www.suitedreams.com/english/index.html
which is well placed for the bronson centre and pretty close to the dominion tavern

Eggball - Oct 12, 2007 - 05:53 PM
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I have a question about upgrades. In an earlier post, someone said there's a max of six skills per player - is that six in total or just six new ones, not counting the ones they start with? I can't find it in the rulebook....

EDIT: Never mind! I found the answer - six new skill rolls.

Cramy - Oct 12, 2007 - 06:36 PM
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Mike, looking forward to seeing the player that you'll give six skills to ...

Notorious_jtb - Oct 12, 2007 - 07:20 PM
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Me too. think that could be one crazy ulfwerner

Spazzfist - Oct 13, 2007 - 08:29 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Me too. think that could be one crazy ulfwerner

Or one bad-a$$ snotling! Laughing

Notorious_jtb - Oct 13, 2007 - 12:19 PM
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True dat spazz.

An additional request for a couple of people to bring timers. We will have enough for 1 per table but it would be nice to have 2 or 3 per table to speed things up.

Also, Glenn has some crash space at his apartment if anyone is stuck for a place to stay. It will be alot quiter than last time no tables being moved this time. and Glenn isn't working either night this time too Smile

Spazzfist - Oct 13, 2007 - 01:50 PM
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I imagine that Glenn will be getting the UFC fights on the Satuday night? Even more incentive for Rod to stay over! Razz

Talons - Oct 15, 2007 - 08:17 AM
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Can someone let Glen know that I am in need of a place to crash.........I hope I will be making the Deathbowl......still sore but hoping a week of relaxation will rest me up enough for the journey.

Daggers - Oct 15, 2007 - 08:22 AM
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A week should be fine, my friend had the same thing earlier this year. He said he took a week, but could have gone back after 3-4 days. Hope to see you there Talons. Rest up til then.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 15, 2007 - 09:39 AM
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Talons wrote:

Can someone let Glen know that I am in need of a place to crash.........I hope I will be making the Deathbowl......still sore but hoping a week of relaxation will rest me up enough for the journey.

Noproblem Rob. I am sure Glenn will be happy to offer some pain medication.

I suspect the UFC might be on at Glenn's although we do play pretty late on saturday.

Don't forget to register folks to be eligible for the nifty prize draw!

JTB

Spazzfist - Oct 15, 2007 - 09:27 PM
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Woo hoo! Mrs. Spazz and I just closed the deal on a new house tonight - one with a room in the basement big enough to house a Blood Bowl tournament! The only problem is now the pressure is on to clean and prepare our house to be sold - which means that I am going ot get dirty looks when I want to try and get the Luchadores finished for this weekend!

Cramy - Oct 16, 2007 - 07:00 AM
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Congrats on the new house.

Talons - Oct 16, 2007 - 09:09 AM
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Congrats Spazz.......but I would be very careful about trying to push Monica's buttons right now!!!!!!! Cause we all know, she wears the pants in the family Laughing

She might decide for you that the Deathbowl is out of the question......LOL LOL LOL LOL
Now be a good boy and grab the toilet brush and head to the bathroom. Scrub a Dub Dub!!!!!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 16, 2007 - 11:47 AM
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Hahaha.

Good banter, can't wait for the weekend.

Just a reminder to those who are coming and haven't registered, to do so before thursday night at 10pm.

Prizes for the draw include, Impact Gnome team (sculpted by Alex Garrett), $20 Impact Gift Voucher, Impact Hausian Cyclops

Spazzfist - Oct 16, 2007 - 12:09 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

So has Alex's gnome team been picked up by impact!? That's awesome!

The only thing I can say for you though Joe, is that you had better hope that you are not called in to play, because Los Luchadores would turn our tie streak into a messy smear of your orcseses all over the pitch!

Talons, the onyl reason that I don't wear pants in my home is because my wife wants me ready for action at all times! Cool

But I'll leave you to do whatever it is that you do with that toilet brush (in and out of the Leaf's dressking room!) Laughing

Spazz

Notorious_jtb - Oct 17, 2007 - 10:31 AM
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A little picture of the trophies this year.

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/2007/10/90-complete-trophies-for-deathbowl-v.html

Spazzfist - Oct 17, 2007 - 10:48 AM
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Look great! They will look fantastic in the mantle of my new home - and I mean ALL of the trophies - 'cuz you know that they are coming home with me!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 17, 2007 - 11:44 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Look great! They will look fantastic in the mantle of my new home - and I mean ALL of the trophies - 'cuz you know that they are coming home with me!

I'd be interested to know how you plan on finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd Spazz........

Not to mention being the best and worst sportsman.......

Spazzfist - Oct 17, 2007 - 01:51 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Look great! They will look fantastic in the mantle of my new home - and I mean ALL of the trophies - 'cuz you know that they are coming home with me!

I'd be interested to know how you plan on finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd Spazz........

Not to mention being the best and worst sportsman.......

I have my ways...... Razz

Spazzfist - Oct 17, 2007 - 07:16 PM
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Bad news....

We just had the real estate agent in to look at our house, and she is not very positive in her thoughts about what it is going to take to sell our house. What we can do however, is put a LOT of elbow grease into the de-cluttering and repainting to make it more presentable.

Long and short of it is that there is no real way that I can make it out to the Deathbowl. I am needed here.

However, I would like to ask if there is anyone who can do Los Luchadores proud and use the team at the tourney. I put a lot of time and effort into getting the team together, I would like to see them used in the Year of the Ogre. I am sure that I can get Ben or someone to take them up, LMK if you are interested.

Joe, I will call Glenn myself and let him know.

Sorry to miss it guys - hope that all goes well.

Spazz Sad

Notorious_jtb - Oct 17, 2007 - 07:33 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Thats terrible news. Who's going to be the bottom feeder now?

Wink

Seriously, that is bad. Especially with the number of ogre teams being drastically reduced!
Can you get someone to bring the ogres? Maybe I'll use them as the odd man out?

Eric.R. - Oct 17, 2007 - 08:49 PM
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Gah! I am soo cheesed I cannot make it . . .

Damn marriage ruining my life . . . I would have owned . . . the wooden spoon that is . . . .

Notorious_jtb - Oct 17, 2007 - 09:48 PM
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Eric.R. wrote:

Gah! I am soo cheesed I cannot make it . . .

Damn marriage ruining my life . . . I would have owned . . . the wooden spoon that is . . . .

Yeah a people have been dropping like flies today, particularly bottom feeders like Dwarfrunner and Spazz Wink

Your path to glory was clear!

Hope you can make the CCKO

The website that is Wink

teehehe

Clan_Skaven - Oct 17, 2007 - 11:51 PM
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Spazz, Chris poynter said he will play you're Mexican Ogre "Los Losers" or whatever they are called. So instead of borrowing you're Woodies he will play them.

Rod

Spazzfist - Oct 18, 2007 - 06:34 AM
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Awesome man, now I's just gotta get a hold of Ben and make sure I can get the team to him so that he can get it up there.

I'm so bummed.....

Cramy - Oct 18, 2007 - 07:27 AM
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That's really too bad Spazz. Hope you make it up here for the CCKO.

Daggers - Oct 18, 2007 - 07:41 AM
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That is too bad Spazz. I was gonna bring my Mexican wrestler mask for you to wear during the tournament.

Spazzfist - Oct 18, 2007 - 08:18 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

That is too bad Spazz. I was gonna bring my Mexican wrestler mask for you to wear during the tournament.

Cool, why don't you see if Poynter will be willing to get in role for it! (This isn't one with the zippers in the eyes and mouth holes is it? The kind that I get Eric's mom to wear?

Daggers - Oct 18, 2007 - 09:37 AM
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Who ever plays your "Los Losers" must wear the mask of humility. The zipper one I am saving for when I see you wife next!

Spazzfist - Oct 18, 2007 - 11:06 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Who ever plays your "Los Losers" must wear the mask of humility. The zipper one I am saving for when I see you wife next!

Sorry dude, even if my wife was bi, she would not be interested in a girly man like you!

Daggers - Oct 18, 2007 - 02:49 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Dwarfrunner wrote:

Who ever plays your "Los Losers" must wear the mask of humility. The zipper one I am saving for when I see you wife next!

Sorry dude, even if my wife was bi, she would not be interested in a girly man like you!

Actually, she's a lesbian. It's just yout unit is so small, she can easily picture you as a woman, since everyone else does.

She is gonna wear the mask so she doesn't accidently scream out her girlfriends name.

Eggball - Oct 18, 2007 - 05:10 PM
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So I've registered. Just under the wire for the cool prizes....

Sorry to hear you can't make it Spazz. It's hard to argue with a real estate agent, house and wife!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 18, 2007 - 05:52 PM
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Good work Eggball, nothing like dealines to inspire people Smile

Bluebeards of unhappyness eh?
So they have yellow facial hair then?

see ya saturday

JTB

Clan_Skaven - Oct 18, 2007 - 10:22 PM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Dwarfrunner wrote:

Who ever plays your "Los Losers" must wear the mask of humility. The zipper one I am saving for when I see you wife next!

Sorry dude, even if my wife was bi, she would not be interested in a girly man like you!

What would that be?....

"Oh TALONS oh TALONS!!!"

Oh wait no that was .....

""Oh GALLONS oh GALLONS!!!"

& that was from the Maple Leaf dressing room!

Spazzfist - Oct 19, 2007 - 09:49 AM
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Well four hours and one sore back later, and I am done painting the team! (Well as much as they are going to be done, anyways).

Thanks to Ben for taking the team up , and thanks to Chris for playign them. Still can't believe that I am not going..... grumble grumble.....

If anyone has a cell phone that is going to be there and doesn't mind giving me the number, I would love to get updates of what is happening, and how things are going.

Have fun guys!

Spazz

Notorious_jtb - Oct 19, 2007 - 10:42 AM
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You can call me Spazz. number is in a pm.

THose who are coming, please bring timers if you can.

cheers

Joe

Daggers - Oct 19, 2007 - 11:02 AM
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All the timers are for Joe ironically. Even when he doesn't play, we still ask him to use them.

Spazzfist - Oct 19, 2007 - 11:26 AM
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Dwarfrunner wrote:

All the timers are for Joe ironically. Even when he doesn't play, we still ask him to use them.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 19, 2007 - 11:49 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Dwarfrunner wrote:

All the timers are for Joe ironically. Even when he doesn't play, we still ask him to use them.

If you guys were turning up I might rise to this ribbing, but as your both a pair of big girls blouses I don't need to say anything.

Daggers - Oct 19, 2007 - 12:58 PM
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Oh wait, let me get the timer out to see how long it takes him to think of an insult! Oh, never mind, I can tell by the glazed look on his face he won't think of one.

The thing about taking the high road is you just fall deeper in the sh!t when we pull you back in.

Eggball - Oct 19, 2007 - 08:42 PM
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Hey what time does the carnage start tomorrow? I seem to remember seeing 9:00 am somewhere??? Thanks!

Spazzfist - Oct 20, 2007 - 10:03 AM
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Well being just after noon, confirms the fact that I did not make it. Sorry to ruin the tournament for everyone. I know that they had to cancel seeing as I was not going to make it , and all. Razz

KarlLagerbottom - Oct 20, 2007 - 10:13 AM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Well being just after noon, confirms the fact that I did not make it. Sorry to ruin the tournament for everyone. I know that they had to cancel seeing as I was not going to make it , and all. Razz

Clearly your busy schedule does not stem the tide of inane posting. Smile

Spazzfist - Oct 21, 2007 - 09:55 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Spazzfist wrote:

Well being just after noon, confirms the fact that I did not make it. Sorry to ruin the tournament for everyone. I know that they had to cancel seeing as I was not going to make it , and all. Razz

Clearly your busy schedule does not stem the tide of inane posting. Smile

If by inane, you mean highly relevant and witty, then I would agree!

But nothing can stop the Spazz! On or off the Blood Bowl pitch! Hear me roar!

KarlLagerbottom - Oct 21, 2007 - 05:30 PM
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That is exactly what I meant! Smile

How did Los Lunchadores fare?

Cramy - Oct 21, 2007 - 07:29 PM
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As far as I can remember, they finished somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Joe should be posting the final results soon.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 21, 2007 - 11:06 PM
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Cramy wrote:

As far as I can remember, they finished somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Joe should be posting the final results soon.

I think they were 4th from the bottom......

(but all the Ogre teams did poorly, I mean Ogres just plain suck A$$!!!

Rod

Clan_Skaven - Oct 21, 2007 - 11:44 PM
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Hey guys great tourney, the Death-Bowl has been saved afterall (I was probably the biggest skeptic on if the 4 game system would work) & as much as it erks me to admit that I was wrong, it was an awsome success, well you know! Embarassed

Guys the format worked great, I saw no real problem with the system at all. I am glad the assisting of others blocks was reinstalled (it really made for some great situations!!!)

Are all the newcomers going to register for NAF? (I'm sure a few did not register (like Alex, TD leader)

Thanks to Joe for co-hosting a great tourney & for letting me crash at you're appartment.

Thanks to Marc-Andre for also co-hosting the tourney & having a great program for the stats (I want a copy if possible)

Thanks to Glenn for also co-hosting the tourney & tossing that guy out to the street! (some extra carnage off the pitch!!!!) Very Happy

To anyone else that was also a co-host thanks very much, great job!!!

Thanks to Ben for driving us back to Toronto on such short notice, because of suddon very last minute information on the situation of our return trip Rolling Eyes

*grumble grumble* So thanks Ben for bailing us out.

Thanks to all my opponents (even Glenn's bro Adam (whom he & I never played against one another but we fu-barred each other in two different games into a loss!) I think a rivalry has emerged, next Death-Bowl I want him first game! Very Happy

Sorry to any of my other opponents for being a RULES-NAZI, but what can I say when I'm right, I'm usually right (usually=look at first paragraph) Very Happy

I'm happy with my results. In a 4 way tie for 5th (ended up in 8th with tie breakers) but out of 20 not too shabby)

1Win, 1Loss, 2Ties (both ties vs Joe & Ben, arguably two of the best coaches in Canada)

Congrats to the winners.....

1st..................................Joe Byers (Goblins)
2nd.................................Marc-Andre (Skaven)
3rd..................................Rob Keefe (Necromatic) Way to go Rob!!!
Best Painted.................... Craig Thompsin-Wood
Most TD's........................Alex??? (Wood Elves)
Most CAS......................Rod Davidson "ME" (Lizardmen)
Best defence................"Egg-Ball" Mike? (Chaos Dwarves
Healthiest Opponent......Peter Meers (Necromatic)
Brass Ass & Wooden Spoon.......Steve ? (Orc?)

Did I miss anyone or get any wrong?

Well it's 1:38am I'm a bit tired, gonna crash soon.

Thanks again guys & if I forgot to congradulate or thank anyone, sorry, but thanks/congrats!

CHEERS, Rod

P.S. when are the game results going to be entered, I mean , like whats taking soo long? Wink

Spazzfist - Oct 22, 2007 - 06:20 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Cramy wrote:

As far as I can remember, they finished somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Joe should be posting the final results soon.

I think they were 4th from the bottom......

(but all the Ogre teams did poorly, I mean Ogres just plain suck A$$!!!

Rod

But then goblins are supposed to suck a$$ too, right? So wo' 'appened? See this is what happens, I miss one tournament, and all hell breaks loose!

Cramy - Oct 22, 2007 - 07:13 AM
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The Goblin roster that Joe was using (designed by other people ironically enough, he didn't know what the team was like before he started the first game) was a menace. All 4 secret weapons, some of which had many increases (MV9, AG4 pogo stick, ST8 Ball and Chain, Hail Mary Pass Bombardier ...), with no refs, was a nightmare to play against.

And Joe played them well. Couldn't hit the stupid pogo stick, who really was the key to the team.

And yes, the Los Luchadores finished 17th. Dan's Ogres finished 14th.

One prize that Rod forgot to mention, Baddest Ogre, went to Dan.

Taxal - Oct 22, 2007 - 07:36 AM
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I also got the matching Eagle book end (as Glen put it ) for Best Sportsman.

Glen , Joe , Marc Andre....you guys did an amazing job in hosting the Death Bowl for the first year in Ottawa. I for one will be back for sure.
To all my opponents a big thanks for the games. Had some serious problems trying to figure out who to give the sportsman points to. Felt it was abit harsh to give only 1 point to someone on each table. Personally you all should have gotten 3.
Do not know who made the food on the first day, but it was top notch eats....was also a nice change from pizza.
Congrats to all the winners!!!!!!!
See you all in January for the C.C.K.O. `08.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 09:24 AM
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The tournament went even better than we hoped it would. Thanks to all those who came, and comisserations to all those with various housing related problems which kept them away from what was a pretty unique experience.

The info that Clan-Skaven posted is right for the trophies, with the addition of Taxal as the Best Sportsman and it was Alex Bouchard who got the most TDs and lost 3rd on a tie breaker.

The results are entered but we have to wait until the 3 new NAF members are registered before their games can be put in so once ben has sent the information off we will just be waiting on the approval. This could be a while though as the NAF just organised the 300 player World cup in England.

I will post the full standings soon, including the individual trophy standings so people can see how close they cam to winning in each category, and how important each "Jones" was in determining their destiny. I for one am so happy that JudgeTudge "beat" me by 1 point for the Brass Ass

So thanks again to all those who came, please leave feedback up here so we can tweak things for next year, and thanks to those who already have. We listen, look at the assist rule for example Wink

I hope to see you all next Year at Deathbowl VI : The Year of Chaos

if not before at CCKO 08

Joe

p.s. Cramy, the Pogoer was Agility 5 btw

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 10:49 AM
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Did any of the 20 players not have or join NAF?

If so who?

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 11:02 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Did any of the 20 players not have or join NAF?

If so who?

Rod

3 people did not have NAF and they all joined. I mention above that we will be waiting for them to be registered before the results are up.
It was the first tournament for Alex, Steve and Adam.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 11:06 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Clan-Skaven wrote:

Did any of the 20 players not have or join NAF?

If so who?

Rod

3 people did not have NAF and they all joined. I mention above that we will be waiting for them to be registered before the results are up.
It was the first tournament for Alex, Steve and Adam.

Sweet so all 20 are NAF?

Spazzfist - Oct 22, 2007 - 11:07 AM
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While those ones are being done, howzabout completing the registration for the guy from the Bongo Bowl? Wink

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 11:52 AM
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Now now, no sniping from the peanut gallery Spazz!

The final standings have been posted on the OGBL news blog.

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/

Trophy standings coming soon

Spazzfist - Oct 22, 2007 - 12:24 PM
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So when is the year of Chaos going to kick in? Will that be for the next Deathbowl, or will the CCKO have it as well? Could be the incentive I need to get my chaos team done! Wink

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 12:26 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Now now, no sniping from the peanut gallery Spazz!

The final standings have been posted on the OGBL news blog.

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/

Trophy standings coming soon

Nice job on the Standings Sheet, looks good.

I like how you put the total times you're team won the most TD & most CAS on the table bonuses! (3 out of 4 games more CAS than my combined 3 opponents, My Lizards Rock!!!) Very Happy

Looking forward to the trophy standings.

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 12:31 PM
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anyone know what Rob (Talons) called his pro elf team?
I left my stuff at home and he preregistered with his skaven name. All the trophy standings are ready to go up, but need the right name!
jtb

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 12:38 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

So when is the year of Chaos going to kick in? Will that be for the next Deathbowl, or will the CCKO have it as well? Could be the incentive I need to get my chaos team done! Wink

"The Year of" is a Deathbowl thing.

The CCKO '08 will be very similar to CCKO '07

The two are very distinct tournaments,

The CCKO will keep the draft and allow only a small amount of pre tournament skills (80K)

whereas deathbowl gives lots of freedom and makes Chaos interesting.
We may make it compulsary to convert your chaos models to show the mutations you want to use....if that is workable.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 12:39 PM
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Rob Pharand's team would have been the Far Albion Talons

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 01:00 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Rob Pharand's team would have been the Far Albion Talons

Rod

cheers Rod, just for that I'll post all the other trophy tables for you to look at Smile

Spazzfist - Oct 22, 2007 - 01:03 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

whereas deathbowl gives lots of freedom and makes Chaos interesting.We may make it compulsary to convert your chaos models to show the mutations you want to use....if that is workable.

I would think that it is the best way to go - it can get too confusing otherwise.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 01:20 PM
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Spazzfist wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

whereas deathbowl gives lots of freedom and makes Chaos interesting.We may make it compulsary to convert your chaos models to show the mutations you want to use....if that is workable.

I would think that it is the best way to go - it can get too confusing otherwise.

I agree, although its likely that not too many folks will bring chaos if we force them to model. And we don't make people model block skill...............
I think we should move this discussion to the DBVI thread anon.

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 01:21 PM
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The trophy tables and standings can be viewed here

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/

pyttroll - Oct 22, 2007 - 04:20 PM
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Hi,

Does anyone have photos of the tournament?

Pyt

Notorious_jtb - Oct 22, 2007 - 06:31 PM
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pyttroll wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have photos of the tournament?

Pyt

yeah a bunch, but we will hopefully get a bunch up soon.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 10:29 PM
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My camera went all cooky just at the awards cerimony so I have some

Rod

Clan_Skaven - Oct 22, 2007 - 10:47 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

The trophy tables and standings can be viewed here

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/

What

no little write up on me winning most Casualties 2 straight years !!!! (with 2 different races I might add!!! , DB IV Orc, DB V Lizardmen) Laughing

In fact I do think that there was 2 of us that won the same trophy from DB IV to DB V

Craig Thompson-Wood "Best team"
Rod Davidson "Most Casualties"

Any bets on who has the best chance to win thier prize 3 years in a row?

Ya I know this makes me look conseeded, but hey if ya got it flaunt it! Wink

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Oct 23, 2007 - 07:51 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

The trophy tables and standings can be viewed here

http://thedailyblodge.blogspot.com/

What

no little write up on me winning most Casualties 2 straight years !!!! (with 2 different races I might add!!! , DB IV Orc, DB V Lizardmen) Laughing

Rod

I expect a comment soon from Spazz on this.

I forgot you won the CAS last year and I forgot spazz won the painting.
BTW I have to moderate comments people put on the daily blodge, so it means that there is a lag time between you posting and me approving and thus the comment becoming visible.

Spazzfist - Oct 23, 2007 - 09:17 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

I expect a comment soon from Spazz on this.

Moi?

No, I like to talk the big talk before the tourney, but that's about it!

KarlLagerbottom - Oct 23, 2007 - 10:22 AM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

... conseeded, but hey if ya got it flaunt it!

Rod...what exactly are you flaunting here? Spelling acumen?

Notorious_jtb - Oct 23, 2007 - 11:33 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote:

Notorious_jtb wrote:

... conseeded, but hey if ya got it flaunt it!

Rod...what exactly are you flaunting here? Spelling acumen?

Wow I can't believe Spazz didn't beat you to this crack!

Are you feeling ill Craig?

Spazzfist - Oct 23, 2007 - 12:08 PM
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Being a teacher, people get tired of me picking on their spelling, and I get tired of correcting people all the time.

Very nicely done by Lagerbottom though, I must say! Laughing

Notorious_jtb - Oct 25, 2007 - 09:44 AM
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Did you get your trophy Spazz?

JTB

Clan_Skaven - Oct 25, 2007 - 11:22 AM
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So are we just waiting for the ne NAF members to respond to e-mail's or is the delay in the results on Ben or the button pusher!?

Hey a tourney would not be a tourney, without me whining afterwards as to the results being entered!!!! Laughing

Rod

Spazzfist - Oct 25, 2007 - 01:17 PM
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Notorious_jtb wrote:

Did you get your trophy Spazz?

JTB

No, I imagikne by now, Ben has scratched out my name, and put his own in!

Notorious_jtb - Oct 25, 2007 - 01:53 PM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

So are just waiting for the ne NAF members to respond to e-mail's or is the delay in the results on Ben or the button pusher!?

Hey a tourney would not be a tourney, without me whining afterwards as to the results being entered!!!! Laughing

Rod

no idea.

However, I will say that unless miraculously I am told the 3 new members user names today, and they are all already aproved the results will not be finalised until I return from my honeymoon.

So, prepare to wait is what I'm saying.

Spazzfist - Oct 25, 2007 - 06:29 PM
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Thanks for the trophy guys! It looks great! Ben brought it over tonight.

Eggball - Oct 25, 2007 - 07:21 PM
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Congrats on the best painted, Spazz! Truly awesome sight. Hope you put some pix up sometime.

Your Ogre team has inspired me to try my hand at a display base (although I have absolutely no time for painting these days....). If you don't mind, I'll PM you with a few questions on how to make one.

Clan_Skaven - Oct 26, 2007 - 01:27 AM
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Eggball wrote:

Hey Eggball all you need to worry about is when a desparite for blood Lizardmen Coach tells you to attack the Wood Elves, that you attack the Wood Elves!

Or (if you choose to ignore the request/order) you're poor hobgoblins face the Blitzes, Blocks & Fouls (& most likely to follow Casualties) from that very Lizardmen team!!!

Had you done by my request I would have in turn attacked you're opponent the Dwarves!

So anyway more on topic, sweet paint job on the Chaos Dwarves, I voted for you for the record (Spazz already knows of my vote) the reason I picked you over the other two is despite the fact that Spazz & Taxal had more conversions, the painting you managed was simply "AWE INSPIRING" (pardon my misspelling) for instance I do recall the Hobgoblins having Purple capes or cloaks,,,,,

From what I can remember I saw at least 4 (if not more perfectly blended hues of purple in the paint) & thats not counting the hints of blue I think I saw.

All in all great job!

Rod

Spazzfist - Oct 26, 2007 - 06:07 AM
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Clan-Skaven wrote:

So anyway more on topic, sweet paint job on the Chaos Dwarves, I voted for you for the record (Spazz already knows of my vote) the reason I picked you over the other two is despite the fact that Spazz & Taxal had more conversions, the painting you managed was simply "AWE INSPIRING" (pardon my misspelling) for instance I do recall the Hobgoblins having Purple capes or cloaks,,,,,

Actually Rod, you got that one right! Smile

Thanks for the kudos EB, and I will be glad to share some of the tips about how I made the dispay base - my first go at it, and I am happy with the way it turned out - I knew that if I stood a chance against you for the Best Team award, that I had to pull out all the stops and do something really spectacular! Cool

So thanks for pushing me!

Spazzfist - Oct 26, 2007 - 06:08 AM
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Here are some pictures of the complete team!

http://bloodbowl.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=3837

Clan_Skaven - Oct 28, 2007 - 08:03 PM
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Ok so the new NAF recruits have not yet responded, so to get them moving along do you want the 2 time Death-Bowl Casualty Champ to bust some skulls? Laughing

(Seriously, though whats the hold up guys?) Wink

Rod

Cramy - Oct 29, 2007 - 10:53 AM
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Joe is gone on honeymoon. Have to wait for him to be back before anything happens. Also need to new NAF members to get their accounts. No idea if that's done, or what is required there.

Clan_Skaven - Nov 03, 2007 - 09:55 AM
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fish

fish

why is it when i type f i s h it comes out as cranberry?

Rod

Spazzfist - Nov 03, 2007 - 03:26 PM
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So the last of the fiddly bitz are all sorted out, and the new house is ours fo' sure! No more worries! So now I can rest sound in the knowledge that my missing the Deathbowl was not for nothing!

Best part of it all is that I will be able to hold the Q'ermitt tournament in the basment of the new place!

... and Rod.... dunno dude..... you got issues.

Cramy - Nov 03, 2007 - 07:16 PM
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Good news Spazz. Congrats. I know how that feels.

I just sold my house, finally. Signed the papers and got my check last week, after 6 months of having a bridge loan and maintaining two houses. A huge load off of my shoulders. Now I have to get the basement of my new house in shape so that I can host game nights ...

And Rod, you may want to expand on what you were trying to say. But then again, maybe not Smile

Clan_Skaven - Nov 04, 2007 - 12:05 PM
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it was fixed by slup....

a word filter on NAF was on the word fish, (when u typed it, it came up as cranberry.

Rod

Notorious_jtb - Nov 22, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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I have the user details for the new coaches.
I have also returned from honeymoon.
I will put the data in today
I think Japan is cool

Notorious_jtb - Nov 22, 2007 - 09:26 AM
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results are in.

just waiting for the button pushing of rankings goodness

Notorious_jtb - Nov 23, 2007 - 08:45 AM
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Button of happyness has been pushed!

Clan_Skaven - Nov 27, 2007 - 09:52 AM
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http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/Clan-Skaven/

Better late than never.

Sorry camera started losing memory/power during awards.....

Rod