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Melifaxis - Jun 21, 2003 - 06:52 AM
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Ok, I was on TBB and read about the whole Legacy team thing and thought it was tremendously cool. I know there is a lot of overlap between the TBB and NAF (and if I'm stepping on any toes just let me know), but is there enough interest in painting a NAF legacy team?

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Fanatic has graciously sent us some vamps for this project/contest! We've got the Vampire Lord, the Six Vamps (two sets of two and two unique ones), Count Luthor (see below), and Three Thralls (two are the same) for the team. Cool

That means there were ten randomly drawn painters, plus the Vamp Lord going out to Anthony! Ok, all eleven miniatures are on the way! In fact, two of you have already received them!!

The rest of us, myself included, will be doing conversions.

I'll be honest with you up front, there were two Vampire Lords in the package!!! I threw in Luthor to the mix to replace the second Vampire Lord, who now has a permanent home in my collection.

I'll be asking Andy to draw the random winner when all is said and done. Sound good? That being said let's talk specifics...

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BASE COLORS:
NAF Colors - Red (Red Gore), White (Skull White), and Black (Chaos Black)

List of Participants
Those in bold have arrived safe and sound in MA, USA:

Indigo (Random Winner - Vampire)
Melifaxis (Conversion - "Plazma Boy")
Traveller (Thrall Female)
McDeth (Random Winner - Vampire)
Torpor (Conversion - Turn Markers / Re-roll Counters)
Tim (Random Winner - Vampire)
Torg (Thrall and Cheerleader)
joker-BBBL (Assistant Coach)
BlanchPrez (Random Winner - Vampire)
Thrudd (Conversion - Cheerleaders)
Deathwing (Random Winner - Vampire)
Xtreme (Conversion - Apothecaries)
GalakStarscraper (Conversion)
aerofool (Random Winner - Thrall)
AnthonyTBBF (Golden Demon Props - Vampire Lord)
SkinkFury (Random Winner - Thrall)
Grasshopper (Random Winner - Vampire)
Squiggoth (Conversion - slutty skeleton cheerleader)
SBG (Random Winner - Count Luthor)

Darkson (Conversion - thrall or a.coach) Lost in the mail/post Sad

Skummy (Random Winner - Thrall)

Photos:
http://www.geocities.com/greedov/NAFlegacy.html

SBG - Jun 21, 2003 - 08:30 AM
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I really think this could be fun! On a selfish note though: I don't have a lot of minis to spare. I would go for Skaven, Human, Orc, Halfling, Goblin, Chaos Dwarf. If the board chooses otherwise, I,ll respect that and skip a turn !

Fred

hoxworth - Jun 22, 2003 - 01:16 AM
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I'd be in for it, definitely. I never seem to be around when the first posts are made on TBB, so I always miss out on participating.

Indigo - Jun 22, 2003 - 04:06 AM
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I'm up for it

Darkson - Jun 22, 2003 - 09:13 AM
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Hox_ii wrote:

I'd be in for it, definitely. I never seem to be around when the first posts are made on TBB, so I always miss out on participating.

Well, you can still partcipate in this (next) years TBB side. It's been narrowed down to a chaos team, probably either in slaanesh or nurgle colours.

http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6791

Holleran - Jun 23, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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New guy wants in, too!

Indigo - Jun 23, 2003 - 07:31 AM
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Again borrowing heavily from the TBB one, I think we should base it on a team that can pull of a lot of variation in terms of the individual minis, like Chaos, Skaven or Goblins. That way when different painting styles collide it won't look as out of place as it would on a more conventional team.

I'm currently doing a nurgle chaos team for myself, so I'd be happy to continue that theme over onto the NAF team. Then again, I've always wanted to do skaven...

One thing I think we should do, an idea shamelessly nicked from Deathwing, is make sure we paint the NAF logo somewhere onto the mini. At least the simpler logo helps with that!!

or we could do 'flings?

One idea I had - we each try to convert the fling to look like ourselves. In my case I'm 6'4" with ginger hair, so I could be a treeman with orange leaves Cool

whaddya think? I think we should try and specify a start date and an end date, sticking to them, to avoid the problems TBB had. Once we have everyone onboard someone can volunteer to look after them (preferably with a digital camera too so they can take loads of pics!)

I'll start a list of interested parties now:

All we need to do now is agree on a team...

Melifaxis - Jun 23, 2003 - 07:40 AM
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We need a few more folks on board first so that they can also have input. Then we should vote on the team, and then on the color scheme.

I don't think we should do Nurgle Chaos as that seems to be the way the TBB is going for 2004. They just did Goblins in 2003. Maybe we could get an advanced copy of the Vamps...that would rule! Anyone have any clout with GW?

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HOLY CRAP! Ask and you shall receive. Fanatic/GW has generously agreed to send us some vamps!

SkinkFury - Jun 23, 2003 - 09:00 AM
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Add Grasshopper to the list please, he still is having issues accessing the Forums.

Indigo - Jun 23, 2003 - 09:17 AM
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If we are doing the vampires, then all we need to decide now is a colour scheme.

I personally reckon they'd look good in a dark cherry red, perhaps with gold trim...

we should do a random draw to see who gets to paint the lord, the thralls and the others...

Melifaxis - Jun 23, 2003 - 10:43 AM
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Indigo wrote:

we should do a random draw to see who gets to paint the lord, the thralls and the others...

Already thought of that too. Once they arrive I will dance around with glee, randomize, and ship them out. I'm surprised we don't have more volunteers yet though...

SkinkFury - Jun 23, 2003 - 11:01 AM
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My humble skills are also at your disposal, and that team looks cool!

skummy - Jun 23, 2003 - 11:44 AM
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Add me to the "Hell, Yes!" category. Will they be the new vampires and thralls? This has the potential to be really awesome and original!

BlanchPrez - Jun 23, 2003 - 12:15 PM
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Vampiers! Hell ya! I'm in on this one, and I'll paint whatever. Honestly, I think I'd rather stay away from the Lord, as my skills are not that good, but I'm up for a vamp or a thrall. Smile

Chris

aerofool - Jun 23, 2003 - 02:09 PM
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hey, count me in if you have any openings! I'd love to get involved in this project!

skummy - Jun 23, 2003 - 02:35 PM
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What's the upper limit on this team? I figure 6 vampires, 10 thralls, one Luthor (freebooting), one head coach, and some cheerleaders and assistant coaches.

Maybe 24 people? Perhaps more?

Melifaxis - Jun 23, 2003 - 02:38 PM
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A good question. I don't know how many they are sending me (could just be 11, heck it could be less) but conversions are always fun, especially for coaching staff/cheerleaders. I guess I'll find out when the package arrives, I don't want to be a pest and ask them since they have already been so generous.

Indigo - Jun 23, 2003 - 02:51 PM
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I'm sure we can make up the "empty" slots with human linemen conversions. Or plunder the WFB range - Lahmian cheerleaders Wink

skummy - Jun 23, 2003 - 03:41 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Yeah, Head Coaches and Thralls will be fairly easy to convert. Count Luthor isn't hard to find. Human Cheerleaders would do nicely.

Oh, and we should also send series of final pictues to them when we finish. It would be really cool to see that turn up in a BBmag someday.

Darkson - Jun 23, 2003 - 04:18 PM
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Well, as my painting skills not up to much I'll volunteer to do a thrall. If we don't get enough (any? Wink

) thralls from Fanatic, then I'm quite happy to convert one from the Mordheim/Marauders plastic sprues.

Thrudd - Jun 23, 2003 - 04:43 PM
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Count Me In. When and Where can I sign up?

Coach Thrudd

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 23, 2003 - 05:13 PM
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These Vamps are sweet, I saw the greens at the BB.

Sign me up!

Deathwing - Jun 23, 2003 - 05:19 PM
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Put me in too.
I reckon Ant should do the Lord if he's willing. Seems right that the guy who won Best Paint at both Resurrection and the Blood Bowl should look after the centerpiece.

hoxworth - Jun 23, 2003 - 09:58 PM
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I agree that Anthony should do the Lord. He's always been able to push a good paintjob with a good conversion.

I'll be happy painting whatever someone throws at me. I've only been painting about 6 months now, but have quickly learned the tricks of the trade and feel I could contribute.

Indigo - Jun 24, 2003 - 01:18 AM
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shall we decide on a start date as soon as we receive the figures then?

what about colours?

hoxworth - Jun 24, 2003 - 01:24 AM
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As for colors, I think a dark red/silver or a dark purple/gold mix would be excellent.

Squiggoth - Jun 24, 2003 - 01:30 AM
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When does the team have to be finished and everything?

Indigo - Jun 24, 2003 - 01:34 AM
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gold'n'purple would be good
but I REALLY like the idea of very dark cherry red for the main armour with slightly brighter red piping.

remember we need a NAF logo on the players though so when it's printed in WD and the BB mag everyone will ask "What's that?" then investigate and join up

muahahaha

Melifaxis - Jun 24, 2003 - 06:08 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

When does the team have to be finished and everything?

I was thinking of 12/31, but it's open to general discussion. That would give us plenty of time, but would it be too much time? Let me know what you prefer.

Indigo - Jun 24, 2003 - 06:29 AM
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it seems like a long way away

what if we set the deadline for joining in at 15th July? When you get the figs Melifaxis you can send them to the people already signed up so they can start working on them before the after-summer tourney season starts. If we don't get enough people signed up to paint a fig before 15th July then I'm sure people will be willing to paint more than one - I certainly would.

If we set a deadline for getting them painted nice and early, say 1st September, that means when people get dealyed painting them there is plenty of room for slippage before the end of the year. I know it's tempting fate asking this, but can it really take over a month to paint one or two minis?

Alternatively you can just send them out to people who are signed up at the time, then ship out any extra as and when people finish painting or new bods sign up for it. I think setting a relatively close finish date should provide the impetus to get on with it.

Holleran - Jun 24, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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I like Indigo's idea of dark red and silver. Another question is how to seal them. Gloss vs. semi-gloss vs. matte, or matte with selected gloss applications to detail.

Indigo - Jun 24, 2003 - 07:10 AM
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I'll always go for a matt sealant with gloss only used for gems and the like.

I've tried gloss followed by matt but it never seems to look as good

I reckon some kind of protection will be needed since they are flying backwards and forwards across the Atlantic!

aerofool - Jun 24, 2003 - 07:34 AM
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Well, here's my spare change...

Colors: I like red and black, or red and purple (with gold trim). Red and silver may work, but the silver may clash with the pale vampire skin.

Sealants: I prefer using a matte sealant.

As for model, I'll take whatever I can get, although I'd prefer a vamp.

Traveller - Jun 24, 2003 - 08:22 AM
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Well, some people will knew me by now, as i did also one of the gobbos for the TBB Legacy Team 2003. Wink

I will buy those Vampies anyway for my Web archive collection and these minis seems worth to be painted as fast as possible Shocked

...and i got some minis in waiting status Embarassed

... so why not paint another one for this event ? Wink

When the deadline will be later this year (31th of December ?), it will be great, as i´m converting a big Orcteam for the German GD end of August right now.

But, if there are to many new painters want to join, i can stay back, too.

Maybe this slayer girl will be out until then, too ? A hired freeboot killer for a vampy team playing against another vampy team... ? Twisted Evil

Hm, just saw, my avatar dont blink here... have to change that here at NAF, too. Wink

Traveller

drowgamer - Jun 24, 2003 - 08:26 AM
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me too me too... even tho they arnt dark elves. Perhaps a dark elf vampire lineman.... hmmmm Smile

Indigo - Jun 24, 2003 - 08:32 AM
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it's probably worth pointing out for people who may not know - this will involve some cash expense on your side. You'll receive the mini to be painted then you'll have to do it using all your own stuff, then post it away possibly to the USA at your own expense.

Just so you know Wink

Xtreme - Jun 24, 2003 - 02:19 PM
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I would like to paint a mini if there is still room.

Tim - Jun 24, 2003 - 02:34 PM
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Book me in as well!

Colin - Jun 24, 2003 - 05:23 PM
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Me too, I want in on this.

Squiggoth - Jun 25, 2003 - 05:00 AM
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I actually wanna convert a skeleton cheerleader if I find the time... A slutty one! Wink

Indigo - Jun 25, 2003 - 05:59 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

I actually wanna convert a skeleton cheerleader if I find the time... A slutty one! Wink

lol why am I not surprised Very Happy

BlanchPrez - Jun 25, 2003 - 07:53 AM
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I like the idea of red and purple or purple and gold for the colours. Anything with purple, as I have a bunch of purple paint laying around. Wink

As for time frame, before the TBB '04 team is due, yes, but not TOO soon. I want to put in my best effort on this.

Chris

Traveller - Jun 25, 2003 - 08:47 AM
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I just wondering, is there any reward from GW/Fanatics to paint a kind of promotion team like this for GW ? As i knew, there a no painted vampies right now. So the NAFs here will do the work of the ´heavy metal team ? Rolling Eyes

Well, i think, they will paint the vampies, too. Hm, but, if i remember the painted new elves... Rolling Eyes

Or its again for the honor ? I read some very old WDs about the old Gamesdays. In the " old times " you got a quite a nice present ( GW items worth some BPs) if you won. If i visit the GD now i spent quite a lot for my showed object(s) and have to pay not little for entrance. And only the first three of each category will get a award ( trophy), but no more...

I´m just asking myself, if i´m alone with this thoughts. Dont missunderstand me, i like this hobby and i like the GWminis, but the last time i got the feeling, the company politics sucks my blood (money) stronger than before. (p.e. BB archive prices)

Traveller

SBG - Jun 25, 2003 - 08:50 AM
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Wow! So many developments since I first signaled my interest!

It's great that Fanatic is taking part in this! I'm glad I'll be part of this project!

Here's my only complaint though: I can't convert! I'm just highly unsecure about it, and don't want to mess up! So what I can do is provide a regular human lineman (metal or plastic) or Count Luther. I am also willing to paint a thrall from Fanatic if there are enough of them. This is great!

Now, I need two things: find a camera to show you my work so you don't think I do total crap and find some time and some cash to attend a tourney so that we can both put faces on names!

Fred

Melifaxis - Jun 25, 2003 - 09:00 AM
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I'm trying hard to get to the Chaos Cup for the same reason Fred. I think the wife is going to grant clearance (it's tough because I have a one year old - who is the best kid in the whole damn world!). Converting is fun, just start off doing it to some mini's you care nothing about. By a cheap, out of date regiment, or some bargain bin item at your local hobby store.

I REALLY like the idea of crimson worked into the armor. Also, for you BTVS fans, what do you think about making the vamps look a bit like The Master in coloration? I'm thinking really palid vamps, of course they could each be different too.

Traveller, I think the reward is that we get to paint em before everyone else and that one of us will walk away with the team Very Happy

Squig, how exactly do you make a skeleton look slutty?

Squiggoth - Jun 26, 2003 - 03:18 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Squig, how exactly do you make a skeleton look slutty?

I have no clue whatsoever right now, but it can't be harder than making an Orc look sexy, right? Rolling Eyes

Thrudd - Jun 26, 2003 - 08:42 AM
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OK, when do we start?

BlanchPrez - Jun 26, 2003 - 09:14 AM
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Do we have a list of who's in? I suppose we're waiting for the figures to arrive from Fanatic before we decide who paints what, right?

Chris

skummy - Jun 26, 2003 - 09:22 AM
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The list of who's in is being updated at the beginning of this topic. We're up to 20+ coaches now - that's one helluva team!

Melifaxis - Jun 26, 2003 - 11:00 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

Melifaxis wrote:

Squig, how exactly do you make a skeleton look slutty?

I have no clue whatsoever right now, but it can't be harder than making an Orc look sexy, right? Rolling Eyes

But some would argue that you didn't succeed at that Wink

We'll start once the mini's are in hand unless you definitely want to do a conversion off something else, in which case no need to wait.

Darkson - Jun 26, 2003 - 11:45 AM
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Don't we need to decide on colours first, or have I missed that? Rolling Eyes

Indigo - Jun 26, 2003 - 11:54 AM
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I think we do...
For the record I don't think silver & red are a good combo - I'd prefer dark cherry red/crimson for the main armour, with brighter red piping for contrast. No real need for metallics?

Melifaxis - Jun 26, 2003 - 12:59 PM
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Darkson wrote:

Don't we need to decide on colours first, or have I missed that? Rolling Eyes

That's what I get for posting while on a conf. call.

A valid point, while you could prime them we may need to decide that first Embarassed

Tutenkharnage - Jun 26, 2003 - 02:29 PM
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Metallic red would look very cool on the armor bits.

-Chet

BlanchPrez - Jun 26, 2003 - 02:39 PM
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I'm with Ingido, no metallics.

Chris

AnthonyTBBF - Jun 26, 2003 - 08:25 PM
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I've been painting Iron Warriors for weeks. Please, for the sake of my mental health, no metallics Wink

Squiggoth - Jun 27, 2003 - 05:55 AM
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Well, metallic pompons don't look good anyway Wink

So what will it be? I think red, black and white'll look nice...

Indigo - Jun 27, 2003 - 07:58 AM
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would tie in nicely with the NAF colours too...

MattRobson - Jun 28, 2003 - 05:39 PM
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hi guys just got back from me hols in sunny aiya nappa (?) v hot.
but on with the post i would love to be in on this i have loads of minis goin spare so could paint pretty much anythin Razz

Colin - Jun 29, 2003 - 08:46 AM
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Anything happening with this idea? Are we waiting on getting the minis from GW? I think we could decide on a colour sceme before that. I think the traditional Vamp colour of black and red might be a bit boring and cliche, but not sure what would be a good combo. I think purple was suggested, I have painted on of my converted vamp teams in that colour, though I think that if we want this team to look good I think that there should be red used on the muscle textured armour (as suggested before), but I certainly wouldn't want to see red and purple used together. (hey there's no puking smiley Evil or Very Mad

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Darkson - Jun 29, 2003 - 10:00 AM
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Purple and Yellow

Tim - Jun 29, 2003 - 02:02 PM
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I like the idea of using NAF colors, red, white an black.

If the white is used carefully, the colors could look great on the vamps. And the muscular structures really need to be red Smile

Squiggoth - Jun 30, 2003 - 02:10 AM
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Come to think of it... My orcs are red, white and black! We can call these dead guys PSV as well Cool

Melifaxis - Jun 30, 2003 - 08:46 AM
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NAF colors I think seem to be pretty well accepted by the group. As well as avoiding metallics.

I just got an e-mail letting me know that they have been shipped out. Start thinking of thrall conversions, base ideas, etc Very Happy

BlanchPrez - Jun 30, 2003 - 09:05 AM
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NAF colours work well. Thralls can be made from human lineman without any converting.

Question, are we going to make this an "official" NAF team? Meaning, besides the colour, do we paint the logo on as well? Also, we need to discuss what colours go where, as this should look like a unified team.

Chris

Indigo - Jun 30, 2003 - 09:05 AM
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Squiggoth wrote:

Come to think of it... My orcs are red, white and black! We can call these dead guys PSV as well Cool

Pretty Scared Virgins?

Pleasantly Soapy Virgins?

Cool

Darkson - Jun 30, 2003 - 01:13 PM
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With my painting skill I'd have to vote against adding the logo.

BlanchPrez - Jun 30, 2003 - 01:39 PM
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Depends on where we're adding it, I suppose, and I don't think the new logo would be that difficult to pain, but I see your point, Darkson. Maybe only on the Lord? Guess that's up to whoever's painting the Lord.

Chris

Darkson - Jun 30, 2003 - 01:58 PM
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Unless there's transfer's on the way? (Hint, hint!) Wink

Colin - Jun 30, 2003 - 07:24 PM
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Just was wondering about something today. There will be 11 - 16 people (depending on how many minis GW has sent) who will get to paint the official minis and then the rest who will have to do conversions. Is this really fair as the minis from GW are free and therefore most of the people will only have to pay out postage costs, while the others doing the conversions will have to actually buy a mini as well as paying for postage (to send to whoever is collecting the team together). In the other legacy teams on TBB, everyone had similar expenses (mini and postage), so I think that there is an unbalance issue as far as cost goes. And BTW, how are the people who get to paint to official team minis get picked?? Is it going to be random or is someone (WHO??) going to pick them??

GalakStarscraper - Jun 30, 2003 - 08:05 PM
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What the heck ... I'm in ... I just got 20 new paint brushes today ... need to break them in.

Galak

I'm decent at conversion so I'm willing to do one if something falls in that category.

Indigo - Jul 01, 2003 - 12:44 AM
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Once we know how many official minis we have I'll happily create a random list of coaches and get someone to pick "names out of the hat" like they did at TBB.

Although I'd like to paint one of the new minis, I'll gladly convert a mini at my own expense for this project. I'll say those two words again - Lahmian Cheerleaders!

McDeth - Jul 01, 2003 - 05:44 AM
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Count me in, Only just read the thread but i'll definitely contribute

AnthonyTBBF - Jul 01, 2003 - 06:32 AM
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Hmm, actually I may be able to make transfers of the logo, I've made them before. They aren't quite the same quality as GW's but they are close.

Indigo - Jul 01, 2003 - 07:12 AM
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you can do a search on google for waterslide transfer paper and you buy them and make them using a decent inkjet printer.

Melifaxis - Jul 01, 2003 - 08:30 AM
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I'm glad to see that the interest in this idea has taken off, but I think we need to cap things off at this point. We have 23 volunteers. That means that we're looking to create a squad of 16 players + 7 support staff (Head Coach, Luthor, Slutty Skeleton Cheerleader, etc). That's a pretty large squad.

Torg has a valid point about expenses, they aren't going to be even. If you aren't one of the ones that randomly gets a mini that has been graciously donated by Fanatic then you will have higher expenses. The good new is we're not talking big bucks here. Likewise, I'll be absorbing the cost of sending the mini's out initially to those painting them. If you have volunteered to do a conversion on the thread then I will take your name out of the random draw to paint a free mini. If you're not ok with this, then please speak up over the next couple of days.

At the same time, I think it's important that everyone has an equal shot at winning the team (conversion or no conversion), which we will have Andy draw from a hat once completed.

Colors:
NAF Colors

Bases:
??

Vampire Lord:
One last thing I added a new thread with a quick poll. Could you please answer the question when you get a second. The old poll got screwed up when I tried to change it on this thread so just ignore it.

Tim - Jul 01, 2003 - 10:04 AM
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GW won't send the minis to 16 different people. One has to distibute them, ending up with 15 times shipping cost.

I'd say if you want a free mini, pay shipping to the "distributor", if you want to buy a mini or use one you have, you have payed for that. That should equal the cost out.

BlanchPrez - Jul 01, 2003 - 10:31 AM
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I agree, that makes the most sense. I'm up for either, as I have to buy some new paint and brushes anyway.

Chris

Darkson - Jul 01, 2003 - 11:47 AM
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Like I said, with my limited painting ability, I'd rather stay away from one of the new figures, so remove me from the draw. I'll put my name down for a Thrall or a Asst. coach (thrall who's been bitten 1 to many times Wink

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Of course, when the completed teams drops through my letter box I won't complain Wink

Darkson - Jul 01, 2003 - 11:50 AM
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And on the transfer thing, if it is possible, would it make more sense for Melifaxis (or someone else) to do them in one go, rather than some models having it and some not?

Tim - Jul 01, 2003 - 02:46 PM
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I would love to go for a vamp, so please include me in whatever mechanism you use for sorting out who does what ...

MattRobson - Jul 01, 2003 - 02:46 PM
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i think this would look cool:-

Naf colours (Black and white stripes / red trousers???)
Naf Logo (Should be pretty Easy)
ANd this las one ive just tryed on a few of my new human team, u should paint you loggon name on you mini that way the Team will be made up of the 23 painters Cool

paintin an average 6/7 letter loggon is pretty easy.

So is it vamps? if it is i should be able to cobble t gether a nice conversion out of spare minis Wink

EDIT: sh*t just noticed my loggon is 10 letters long!!! my player might have to have an extra large shoulder pad!!!! Razz

GalakStarscraper - Jul 01, 2003 - 03:01 PM
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I've got an interesting idea for a set of 3 assistant coaches for Melfaxis ... don't worry about sending me a free Vampire fig.

If my asst. coach idea doesn't pan out ... I'll convert GW Part #020703003 into a cheerleader for the team.

Galak

Tutenkharnage - Jul 01, 2003 - 03:07 PM
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Which one of you will create the turn marker? I think you should go with a cross-shaped stone grave marker on a patch of ground, but that's just me.

-Chet

Melifaxis - Jul 01, 2003 - 03:08 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

Cool

Melifaxis - Jul 01, 2003 - 03:10 PM
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MattRobson wrote:

u should paint you loggon name on you mini that way the Team will be made up of the 23 painters Cool

paintin an average 6/7 letter loggon is pretty easy.

EDIT: sh*t just noticed my loggon is 10 letters long!!! my player might have to have an extra large shoulder pad!!!! Razz

How about underneath the base for the NAF Logon? I think it would be cool if everyone signed them. If you fill the base underneath in with wall joint compound, or something similar you can easily paint or transfer a signature or your avatar onto the underside.

Darkson - Jul 01, 2003 - 03:16 PM
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Why not "name" all the players/coaches/cheerleaders woth the painters logon name, and write it on the base edge?

I can see it now.
"And there's asst. coach Darkson trying to give instructions to Tim the Vampire. Oh, and yes, Tim's taken offence at the way he was spoken to, and defence coaches Galak's I, II and III are dragging Darkson away for a needed transfusion. Back to the pre-game.." Laughing

aerofool - Jul 01, 2003 - 04:06 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

I'm already going to do that! I'm signing it underneath the base and placing my login there as well. I'm not putting anything around the edge of my base, I'll number (and maybe name) the model somewhere on the model itself.

Colin - Jul 01, 2003 - 08:04 PM
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The TBB legacy team had the painter's login name around the base and looked OK.

Indigo - Jul 02, 2003 - 02:25 AM
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MattRobson wrote:

i think this would look cool:-

Naf colours (Black and white stripes / red trousers???)

I knew you'd see sense and ditch those other stripes mate Wink

It was inevitable...

Indigo - Jul 02, 2003 - 02:31 AM
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as for my preferences, I'll be happy to convert something but I'd prefer to be in with a chance of painting a "real one". And I think Melifaxis should have first pick of what he wants to paint, after the lord has gone to Anthony.

I'm easy, is all I'm saying Smile

Are we getting some tranfsers printed then, or are we trying are hand at painting the logo? I don't think we need to wait for the transfers as they are generally one of the last stages anyway.

Bases - I normal glue sand to the bases, , undercoat the mini & base, paint the mini, then drybrush the base Scorched Brown, then Bestial, then Bleached Bone. Finish it off with static grass and the occaisonal white pitch marking. Don't see any reason to deviate from this "grass" theme but again, I'm easy.

Coloured rings (oo-er). I'd prefer not to, but we could have a standard coloured ring, then a coloured square on the front and back where we can also paint the player's number? And sign the base too Smile

EDIT: A word of warning though - my team is painted in black and white stripes and to be honest they don't look THAT good. Maybe small sections in black and white, but then people think they look like referees Rolling Eyes

Torpor - Jul 02, 2003 - 02:48 AM
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I have a collection of grave markers, piles of skulls and such from GW mail order and would be happy to make up a turn marker or perhaps reroll markers as it looks like there are enough people painting the team and staff.

MattRobson - Jul 02, 2003 - 11:59 AM
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BLACK AND WHITE STRIPES LOOK GREAT, I REMEMBER SEEIN THIS GREAT ORC TEAM AT THIS YEARS BB TOURNEY THAT WAS PAINTED BLACK AND WHITE IT WAS GREAT IF ONLY I COULD REMEMBER WHO PAINTED IT...... Embarassed

MattRobson - Jul 02, 2003 - 12:03 PM
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But Seriousley... the naf loggo has the three classic colours for vamps white (pale flesh) black (clothing) Red (cloak trim, Armour).

oh how are we going t do the flesh? very pale 'normal' flesh - or - GW's pale blue????????

Indigo - Jul 02, 2003 - 01:42 PM
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normal pale flesh IMO

Indigo - Jul 02, 2003 - 01:53 PM
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MattRobson wrote:

lol here's me thinking you were a mackem all of a sudden Embarassed

joker_BBBL - Jul 03, 2003 - 05:20 AM
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hum 23 painters ...

let me know if u search a 24th painter, if yes count me in
if no, was my fault not to login so often on NAF website Confused

Indigo - Jul 03, 2003 - 05:49 AM
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just thought - a vamp team is 6 vamps and a lord so most people are going to have to do conversions for the thralls Confused

and the head coach is a PLAYER too!

Darkson - Jul 03, 2003 - 08:10 AM
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All the more reason for plenty of thrall Asst. coaches then.

Trust me, I run a vamp team in the MBBL, and as many of my permenant SI and deaths to the thralls have been caused by my vamps as by my opponents.

For some reason the opposistion pick on the vampires! I've no idea why, they play like elves!

"Oh, a 1, re-roll, oh, another 1, what a shame."

GalakStarscraper - Jul 03, 2003 - 10:21 AM
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Well you need:

Vampire Head Coach
6 Vampires
10 Thralls

The team can freeboot a wizard, so if someone could do like a Necrach Vampire with the spellbook or such (I just like the Necrach wizard best) ... that would be very very cool. That's 18.

Apothecary model that would be 19.

I'm going to do 3 assistant coaches on one stand (ie still kinda one fig, but 3 asst. coaches). That's 20.

Add in a custom turn marker and that 21.

Then you have 2 cheerleaders and bam that's 23 painters.

A team like this would be well worth the group effort. Get a volunteer for each item and you'll have the team.

Anthony = Head Coach
Tim = Vampire (if allowed)
Galak = Asst. Coach
Squiggoth = Cheerleader
Torpor = Turn Marker

Get a volunteer for the wizard and apothecary and life is pretty good for the team.

Galak

Darkson - Jul 03, 2003 - 10:52 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

Darkson = anything that doesn't need conversion Very Happy

No, no, no, no, no, no! I think I can manage a conversion, just the painting might be a bit dodgy Wink

That's why I said I'd go for a thrall (or better still, a asst coach). Nobody will be looking at them if Anthony's painted up the lord Laughing

GalakStarscraper - Jul 03, 2003 - 11:19 AM
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Darkson wrote:

No, no, no, no, no, no! I think I can manage a conversion, just the painting might be a bit dodgy Wink

Sorry ... my bad ... but you get the point about the division of labor being organized.

Galak

Holleran - Jul 03, 2003 - 12:11 PM
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I'd love to try a vampire. It makes my teeth quiver thinking about it.

Xtreme - Jul 03, 2003 - 03:01 PM
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I wouldn't mind doing the Wizard or apothecary. Unless someone is already doing these.

Colin - Jul 03, 2003 - 05:52 PM
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Well, I would like to try a Vamp, but would settle for a thrall, not great at converting so I would hope if it's a thrall that it's one of the GW ones.

Melifaxis - Jul 03, 2003 - 06:54 PM
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Conversions should probably all be based on GW stuff so it can be a Tourney legal team for the winner.

MattRobson - Jul 04, 2003 - 04:26 PM
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didnt think vamps could have an apoth??

I'll do a thrall, got a nice conversion lined up (using a plastic human line man, and a zombie sprue + LOTS of greenstuff)

Darkson - Jul 04, 2003 - 04:41 PM
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The current roster being tested can have an apoth, but can only be used on the thralls.

GalakStarscraper - Jul 04, 2003 - 09:45 PM
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Darkson wrote:

The current roster being tested can have an apoth, but can only be used on the thralls.

Correct ... I think this will be what becomes official ... especially with the new OFAB rules.

Galak

Darkson - Jul 04, 2003 - 10:23 PM
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heh, another one right, I'm getting good at this Wink

Colin - Jul 06, 2003 - 12:56 PM
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You better have gotten that right, you play vamps in MBBL!

Any news on when the vamp minis will be coming in??

aerofool - Jul 07, 2003 - 09:33 AM
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yeah, I'm looking forward to getting mine so I can start work on it right away!

Indigo - Jul 07, 2003 - 09:46 AM
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They're coming out in December, but I've got my sweaty little paws on some preview ones as tournament prizes Twisted Evil

Darkson - Jul 07, 2003 - 11:00 AM
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Torg wrote:

You better have gotten that right, you play vamps in MBBL!

Hey, don't give all the secrets away Wink

Melifaxis - Jul 08, 2003 - 07:57 AM
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Torg wrote:

You better have gotten that right, you play vamps in MBBL!

Any news on when the vamp minis will be coming in??

Nope, still waiting...luckily SWG is making the wait easier. I am so f#$%ing addicted already.

aerofool - Jul 08, 2003 - 12:47 PM
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yeah SWG rocks! What's yer server and character name Melifaxis?

Melifaxis - Jul 09, 2003 - 11:25 AM
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Khellyk on Bloodfin, how about you?

MattRobson - Jul 09, 2003 - 01:14 PM
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Live in part of uk were u cant get broadband so dont think ill b playin SWG any time soon Sad

Melifaxis - Jul 09, 2003 - 02:53 PM
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MattRobson wrote:

Live in part of uk were u cant get broadband so dont think ill b playin SWG any time soon Sad

Um................MOVE!

Wink

Melifaxis - Jul 09, 2003 - 07:20 PM
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Ok, last call for comments before I randomize things. If you are listed in the first post of the thread as something specific, then you will not be in the random paint draw. I have an extra Luthor, so I'm going to throw him into the draw.

I will randomize tomorrow at 12 noon EST and then post results here.

skummy - Jul 09, 2003 - 07:22 PM
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I'd like the thrall who's got his hand up to his head, if that's possible.

Melifaxis - Jul 09, 2003 - 07:38 PM
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skummy wrote:

I'd like the thrall who's got his hand up to his head, if that's possible.

That won't be possible unless you can get your hands on the mini somehow. We don't have that thrall...

Thrudd - Jul 10, 2003 - 06:56 AM
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I will take anthing save a Luthor...I would prefer to paint up one of the new thralls, though.

Coach Thrudd

SBG - Jul 10, 2003 - 07:59 AM
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Anything would be fine for me, even Luthor (in fact, Id' like it!).

Just let me know!

Fred

skummy - Jul 10, 2003 - 07:59 AM
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Okay, I'll go for pretty much any Thrall. They look neat.

BlanchPrez - Jul 10, 2003 - 08:22 AM
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I'm not picky, I'll paint whatever you give me. Wink

Chris

Indigo - Jul 10, 2003 - 08:28 AM
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I'll paint a beastman.

only kidding, I can tell the difference between the NAF and TBB legacy teams now Wink

Melifaxis - Jul 10, 2003 - 10:58 AM
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Indigo wrote:

I'll paint a beastman.

No, you'll be painting a vampire you lucky git! For the results of the random draw please go to the first post....
Cool

Now I just need to figure out what my conversion will be...

BlanchPrez - Jul 10, 2003 - 11:22 AM
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Woo Hoo! I got a vampire! Very Happy

Melifaxis, for those of us you are shipping figures to, how do you want us to give you our shipping information? And how do you want us to pay for shipping?

Chris

Melifaxis - Jul 10, 2003 - 12:00 PM
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PM me your shipping info. I'll just absorb the cost of shipping them.

Darkson - Jul 10, 2003 - 12:11 PM
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Nice to see some recognized painters have got the vamps, will make them look even better in my display case Wink

So, now we have the team shared out, can we have a definitive list on the following :-

Team colours
Basing (coloured rings, numbers, painters name etc)
NAF logo or not?
Um...anything else?

Melifaxis - Jul 10, 2003 - 12:21 PM
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I guess one question would be if logo transfers would be possible. Did the vote on the new logo take place yet? I'll go check that thread...

Indigo - Jul 10, 2003 - 01:12 PM
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I'm all for painting the new logo, but the minis are quite small and lacking in suitable areas to paint the logo on (I know cos I've got some too Wink

)
It is possible to paint the logo on, but it might be fiddly. I'm up for trying it though Smile

Could all UK based people getting one of the new minis (as opposed to a conversion) PM or email me with your town - it might be cheaper for melifaxis to mail all UK stuff to me than to send many packets himself.

Indigo - Jul 10, 2003 - 01:12 PM
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and thanks for the "recgonised painter" status darkson Wink

Traveller - Jul 10, 2003 - 01:21 PM
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As usual... no luck ! Not with dices, not with random minis. Shocked

Well, maybe better... if i paint this new nice mini, maybe it would ended in my collection ?! Better a single mini for sure than maybe a whole team ? Wink

Tim, you are lucky one again !

Hm, have to get some background about vampies.

Traveller

Melifaxis - Jul 10, 2003 - 01:27 PM
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Darkson wrote:

Nice to see some recognized painters have got the vamps, will make them look even better in my display case Wink

You mean MY display case Wink

Ok, I came up with my conversion idea. I'm going to do a "blood boy"...you know a water boy, but obviously he won't be giving the players a refreshing cup of H2O... Twisted Evil

Indigo - Jul 11, 2003 - 01:50 AM
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lol that's an inspired idea.

SBG - Jul 11, 2003 - 08:30 AM
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Great! I got Luthor!

Now, excuse me if your repeating yourselves, but I don't want to go back and read 10 pages of posts and I don't remember the color scheme.

What is it ?!?!

Fred

Indigo - Jul 11, 2003 - 08:51 AM
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IIRC dark red/black with red trim and the NAF logo on it somewhere.

I think.

skummy - Jul 11, 2003 - 08:59 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

PM me your shipping info. I'll just absorb the cost of shipping them.

I'm moving to the west coast (3,000 odd miles away) in a little under 3 weeks. As a result, I may need you to hold off on actually shipping this out to me for a month or so.

AnthonyTBBF - Jul 11, 2003 - 09:04 AM
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Crap I better get the logo voting up... completely forgot about it. I have 3 to choose from, I will get them up this weekend.

Melifaxis - Jul 11, 2003 - 09:27 AM
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skummy wrote:

Melifaxis wrote:

PM me your shipping info. I'll just absorb the cost of shipping them.

I'm moving to the west coast (3,000 odd miles away) in a little under 3 weeks. As a result, I may need you to hold off on actually shipping this out to me for a month or so.

Just let me know. I can ship it out as early as tomorrow from MA if that helps get it to you in time or I can just wait until you have moved. Up to you Very Happy

Melifaxis - Jul 11, 2003 - 01:02 PM
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Torpor wrote:

An excellent addition to the squad, thanks! I apologize for missing this post earlier Embarassed

EDIT:
Saturday's update:
Mailed out figures to those who had provided me their addresses. Keep an eye out for them in the mail.

Colin - Jul 13, 2003 - 06:35 PM
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So what are those of us who didn't get picked for any official minis supposed to do?? If were supposed to do thralls what are we supposed to use?? Using regular BB humans wouldn't really fit with the official thralls.

Darkson - Jul 13, 2003 - 10:13 PM
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Don't see why not. Paint them pale (as if they're regularly drained of blood), or else convert from any plastic WFB sprue.

Colin - Jul 13, 2003 - 11:16 PM
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What I am saying is that we are trying to get a cohesive team look here and I think that judging by what I've seen of the thrall minis, BB human minis or converted WH ones would really look out of place, they don't really fit with the look of the official thralls. Don't know how to make that any clearer.

Indigo - Jul 14, 2003 - 02:51 AM
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the 3rd ed humans might fit in if their armour is painted red (although not BRIGHT red!) with a gaunt, plae complexion - shade purple under the eyes.

Remember they are supposed to be regular people under the dominion of the vamps, so using regular human players would be fine. Even using the human blitzers etc. would be ok.

either that or maybe get some of the WFB plastics?

hoxworth - Jul 14, 2003 - 02:09 PM
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What is the timetable for this team, by the way?

As I was not fortunate enough to be hand-picked, I'll be doing a conversion. However, I have no money at the current time to even get any supplies, so it will be a couple of months probably until I can get a figure set.

skummy - Jul 14, 2003 - 04:12 PM
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My thrall has arrived in today's mail! He's the guy on the far right, with the ball. He's currently sitting primered and ready to go on my table in the basement. I'd like to finish him by the end of next week, but how to proceed?

We're using Red, Black and White, but what color should I paint the armor? What color the gloves, boot, and undershirt? Should the towel on his side be white with a NAF logo?

Indigo - Jul 15, 2003 - 02:51 AM
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good idea for the towel.
we still need to decide a major/minor/trim(?) scheme to follow though.

what about dark red trousers/sleeves, with lighter gloves? the NAF logo would go well on either the knee pad or the chest guard...

skummy - Jul 15, 2003 - 06:40 AM
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What color should the armor be? I think the vampires are going to have a segmented red armor, but should mine be metallic?

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 07:32 AM
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Hox_ii wrote:

I'll create a poll and we can vote on the timetable. We have a few other variables that we should nail down as well. So you may see more than one poll.

skummy - Jul 15, 2003 - 07:35 AM
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If we want to get them in the BB mag that promotes the Vampires, we should probably finish them up by October, what with all the shipping they're likely to go through.

Indigo - Jul 15, 2003 - 07:36 AM
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doubt we'll get them into BB mag unless we really hustle. the lead time is 6 months...

BlanchPrez - Jul 15, 2003 - 07:51 AM
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I came home yesterday to find my Vampire in the mail. WOW! Can't WAIT to start painting this one. But, what colours are we using (specifically.... red and black, yes, but blood red, some other red?). Also, what is getting coloured where? I assume that the Bram Stoker's armour on the vamps is red. Black pants? And how are the helmets being painted? We should try to make this team look cohesive.

Chris

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 07:54 AM
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skummy wrote:

Item of note: aerofool also has the same thrall. We only got 3 and two were identical, so you might want to discuss things with him so you can give each of your thralls a unique look while staying within the color scheme.

I appluad your work ethic, but the end of next week may be premature. Voting for the NAF logo has yet to take place, we have some outstanding questions still, etc - so don't feel the need to rush. Very Happy

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 08:02 AM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

The US Postal Service is coming through for us! Maybe we should give everyone a couple of days to receive them so we can all be on the same page?

I was thinking of "Red Gore" as the base red, as it seems the closest match to the NAF red bordering this page. "Blood Red" is closer to the red inside of the current logo itself though. I'll throw up a poll to see what people think.

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 08:07 AM
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Torg wrote:

I'm not sure they all have to be the same. What's to stop vampires from creating thralls at various locations as they travel?

I started my "blood boy" and he's not human, but I figured a cheerleader or assistant coach didn't matter as much. I'll create another poll Smile

skummy - Jul 15, 2003 - 08:14 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

I appluad your work ethic, but the end of next week may be premature. Voting for the NAF logo has yet to take place, we have some outstanding questions still, etc - so don't feel the need to rush. Very Happy

More than anything, it's that I'm going to be at loose ends for the next three weeks, and I was hoping to get it done early. Waiting for the logo and the colors makes entirely too much sense though, as I belatedly realized after priming my guy.

SBG - Jul 15, 2003 - 08:59 AM
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HI guys!

I might be offline for a couple of days/weeks (no more than 2 though).

Shit happened at home and I have to move out Sad

Anyways, just to warn you that I'm still on this; I just need a couple of days to get my act together and I'll be back on track.
I'll keep in touch with the nuts n bolts for this painting session.

Fred

skummy - Jul 15, 2003 - 09:03 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Voting for the NAF logo has yet to take place

Has anyone else considered that the whole legacy team thing might influence the NAF logo contest? I know that I'm going to be voting for whatever logo is easiest to paint. Laughing

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 09:10 AM
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SBG wrote:

Shit happened at home and I have to move out Sad

Sorry to hear Sad

Don't worry a few days/weeks still gives you plenty of time even if we adopt an aggressive timing decision. Obviously, many things come before painting mini's!!

Oh, just make sure you get your mail forwarded to your new address though Smile

Melifaxis - Jul 15, 2003 - 09:10 AM
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skummy wrote:

Has anyone else considered that the whole legacy team thing might influence the NAF logo contest? I know that I'm going to be voting for whatever logo is easiest to paint. Laughing

Hehehe

aerofool - Jul 15, 2003 - 11:28 AM
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Now that I've seen the models, this is what I have in mind for my thrall....

Red shirt, black and white striped pants, maybe a chainmail colored shoulderpad. Gloves, helmet etc will all be colored accordingly to what I think looks best. I'll be looking at my model and doing some test swatches soon and see what I like the most. I can't wait to go home for lunch to see if my thrall has arrived yet!

PS: Vote for one of my logo designs!!

skummy - Jul 15, 2003 - 11:59 AM
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Don't you think that black and white striped pants (Okay, trousers!) are going to make him look too much like a miniature ref?

aerofool - Jul 15, 2003 - 12:54 PM
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well, a little...

but not as much as black and white striped shirts!

The black and white stripes are a major part of the old and current NAF logo, more-so than the colors black and white in general.

Besides stripes along with checkered patterns were quite common during the 2nd edition days among GW's house painted minis.

Colin - Jul 15, 2003 - 04:51 PM
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I was thinking more along the line of red armour (for everyone, not just vamps), black gloves, boots, and shoulder pads, and white trousers (no stripes).

Darkson - Jul 15, 2003 - 10:28 PM
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Just o say I won't be painting any NAF logo on mine, I wouldn't even attempt it with my skill.

Tim - Jul 16, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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Traveller wrote:

As usual... no luck ! Not with dices, not with random minis. Shocked

Tim, you are lucky one again !

Hurrah ... seems to be my week! Gotta play the lottery as well!

How about white pants with one black stripe on each leg (cp. my Ref in the avatar)? Looks great if you put a thin silver line into the black stripe.

BlanchPrez - Jul 16, 2003 - 08:25 AM
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Torg wrote:

I was thinking more along the line of red armour (for everyone, not just vamps), black gloves, boots, and shoulder pads, and white trousers (no stripes).

I was actually thinking something simmilar, but with black and white reversed, but thinking about it, I like this idea better. I vote for this scheme.

Chris

SkinkFury - Jul 16, 2003 - 10:31 AM
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I thought we just chose base colors and then had the freedom to paint with those colors as we chose?

aerofool - Jul 16, 2003 - 01:43 PM
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SkinkFury wrote:

I thought we just chose base colors and then had the freedom to paint with those colors as we chose?

I agree. This is supposed to showcase our individuality as well as talents. I say we each do it as we see fit as long as we keep the black, white and red theme!

aerofool - Jul 16, 2003 - 01:46 PM
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Oh btw, what are we going to do about assigning uniform/roster numbers? I know if someone doesn't bring this up we'll probably have several models with the same number.

PS: I want #6 for my player if possible!

skummy - Jul 16, 2003 - 01:59 PM
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Can I have #11? (It's really easy to paint... Laughing

)

McDeth - Jul 17, 2003 - 02:51 AM
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Mine arrived this morning, is there an agreed consensus on colours yet as i can started on this straight away.

Plus does anyone else thing these mini's are quite small, i was expecting something a little bigger for a ST4 Model.

Indigo - Jul 17, 2003 - 03:05 AM
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yeah, the woman seems especially skinny, but I still love 'em!

Melifaxis - Jul 17, 2003 - 07:42 AM
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The strength of undeath does not require a massive frame Twisted Evil

Good enough reason? Wink

Yes, base colors are decided. Red Gore, Skull White, Chaos Black. Shade/highlight as you desire.

Melifaxis - Jul 17, 2003 - 08:25 AM
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Hey, we are a sticky thread now Very Happy

There are postings on TBB today about that Legacy team and not excluding anyone...should it be the same deal here?

If so, I need to PM joker as I thought we were capping things off.

Grasshopper - Jul 17, 2003 - 06:56 PM
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Hey Lookee here... I'm finally able to get into the forums... Very Happy

Um.. GO TEAM ! ! ! Twisted Evil

Grasshopper - Jul 17, 2003 - 07:03 PM
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Traveller wrote:

I just wondering, is there any reward from GW/Fanatics to paint a kind of promotion team like this for GW ? ... Dont missunderstand me, i like this hobby and i like the GWminis, but the last time i got the feeling, the company politics sucks my blood (money) stronger than before. (p.e. BB archive prices)...

Traveller

Well given the team, that is a pretty fitting feeling. Laughing

Grasshopper - Jul 17, 2003 - 07:10 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Also, for you BTVS fans, what do you think about making the vamps look a bit like The Master in coloration? I'm thinking really palid vamps, of course they could each be different too.

Squig, how exactly do you make a skeleton look slutty?

1)The pallid skin will come out reallllly nice against the dark colors (black, gore) as long as it's next to/surrounding it.

2)By the pose and how she handles her bones of course. Twisted Evil

Melifaxis - Jul 18, 2003 - 02:10 PM
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Grasshopper wrote:

2)By the pose and how she handles her bones of course. Twisted Evil

Why did I know that YOU would be able to answer this? Wink

Shadewe - Jul 18, 2003 - 05:22 PM
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So what do I need to get on the team?

Melifaxis - Jul 21, 2003 - 12:59 PM
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We need feedback from the people participating. I capped it off at 24 people based on some earlier feedback, but then there were postings on TBB about not limiting participation for Legacy Teams.

Joker and Shadwe are looking to get in, but I need to know what everyone thinks. Let me know.

skummy - Jul 21, 2003 - 01:07 PM
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I'm certainly fine with more people involved. It might be very interesting if someone did a Thrud model in team colors. He is technically a freebooter for the team, after all.

Darkson - Jul 21, 2003 - 01:31 PM
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More the merrier. At the end of it someone will get lucky.

skummy - Jul 21, 2003 - 01:34 PM
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Darkson wrote:

At the end of it someone will get lucky.

Yet another reason why Legacy Teams are like the bar scene...

Grasshopper - Jul 21, 2003 - 05:35 PM
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skummy wrote:

Darkson wrote:

At the end of it someone will get lucky.

Yet another reason why Legacy Teams are like the bar scene...

And the other reason is because you end up by yourself... alone... in a room painting?

Twisted Evil

Indigo - Jul 22, 2003 - 03:07 AM
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heh we don't need no "geek test" to prove anything Wink

Tim - Jul 24, 2003 - 04:37 AM
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My vamp arrived yesterday! Melifaxis, how much do i owe you (and do you have PayPal?)

Thanks for sending me the female one, great mini Shocked

, so much extremly fine detail Confused

This one will be tough to paint, i think i'll need a new 10/0 brush, meditation music and a very calm afternoon to get the face (esp. the fangs) and the other fine detail right.

Still thinking on where to put the white, don't like to do white pants does not look dark and vampire-like for my taste (together with black and red it looks like an old police or army uniform Razz

). I think I'll go for a gothic and seductive look with tight black or red pants and the other color on the upper body. Black and white stripes could either be used on the muscular structures or the shoulder pads ... What do you think?

Melifaxis - Jul 24, 2003 - 05:04 AM
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Tim wrote:

I think I'll go for a gothic and seductive look with tight black or red pants and the other color on the upper body. Black and white stripes could either be used on the muscular structures or the shoulder pads ... What do you think?

I think that sounds excellent! You don't owe me a thing. The mini's are a gift from Fanatic, and the postage was less than $1 Very Happy

Shadewe - Jul 24, 2003 - 09:57 AM
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So will a Thrall be sent to me along with my membership?

Melifaxis - Jul 24, 2003 - 10:00 AM
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The figures that Fanatic generously donated for this team have been mailed out to those who randomly got to paint them. Everyone else has to do a conversion of some kind.

Are you still interested?

Shadewe - Jul 24, 2003 - 10:06 AM
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I am still interested. I can do a conversion if needed.

Melifaxis - Jul 24, 2003 - 10:08 AM
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Ok, because no one posted to the contrary joker and Shadewe have been given the nod, so to speak.

Grasshopper - Jul 24, 2003 - 12:01 PM
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... NOD...

Twisted Evil

Grasshopper - Jul 24, 2003 - 12:09 PM
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... NOD...

Twisted Evil

Tim - Jul 25, 2003 - 09:36 AM
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Damn it ...

i primed the my female vamp yesterday with some other stuff and she immediatly started seducting me ... i couldn't get her out of my mind, so i started painting. Now i'm pretty far and she's already looking good after just 2h of painting, which is a sign of an awesome model!

Now one question ... eyes! What does a vampires eye look like? red pupil or black iris/pupil? on black or white eyeball? Quick, answer it ... must ... go ... on .... painting! ARG!

I must also say that including white was maybe a bad idea Very Happy

I'm not perfectly happy with the white shoulderpads ... we'll see how it works out with some detail.

kalten - Jul 25, 2003 - 10:10 AM
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Ok - so I just started reading this. Do you lot need another team member? What sort of player could I convert if allowed in?
Would I need to give updates to this page or could I just post links to my site where I can upload images of the player.

I think that covers it... Smile

Melifaxis - Jul 25, 2003 - 10:50 AM
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Tim wrote:

I'm not perfectly happy with the white shoulderpads ... we'll see how it works out with some detail.

I'm not surprised at all. I almost couldn't mail them! Seductive eyes? Try this:

http://www.elizadushkuonline.com/img/galleries/fullshots/01_magazines/2002/unknown/maxim-online/eliza001.jpg

Melifaxis - Jul 25, 2003 - 10:51 AM
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kalten wrote:

Thralls are most needed. Other options are cheeleaders, assistant coaches...take a look at the first post and see if you see a gap. Updates here would be nice, you could also post them on your page or e-mail them to me. up to you.

Tim - Jul 25, 2003 - 11:44 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Seductive eyes? Try this:

Naaah ... sweet, but not the evil seductiveness i'm looking for.
Tried red on black and it looks good.

Just managed to paint a little simplified NAF logo on 3x3 mm. Thanks for the new one ... way easier Smile

... now i need a break ...

Darkson - Jul 25, 2003 - 03:10 PM
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Pictures, dammit, pictures!

Grasshopper - Jul 25, 2003 - 04:04 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

I'm not surprised at all. I almost couldn't mail them! Seductive eyes? Try this:

http://www.elizadushkuonline.com/img/galleries/fullshots/01_magazines/2002/unknown/maxim-online/eliza001.jpg

...
...
...
I need a moment.

...
...
Damn it... too much white. Twisted Evil

Melifaxis - Jul 25, 2003 - 10:48 PM
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Darkson wrote:

Pictures, dammit, pictures!

I can host them if you need me to Very Happy

Melifaxis - Jul 25, 2003 - 10:49 PM
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Grasshopper wrote:

...
I need a moment.

...
...
Damn it... too much white. Twisted Evil

Eliza is gorgeous. Hey, my six 2nd Edition teams came in the mail today!!!! Twisted Evil

Colin - Jul 25, 2003 - 11:11 PM
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Did that include the one with all the 2ed chaos minis??

skummy - Jul 26, 2003 - 01:59 PM
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Yup, he snapped those guys up.

Tim - Jul 27, 2003 - 12:37 PM
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Here's a preview of my vamp #2: "Buffy Lost"

Still gotta do the base, redo some highlights, add some details (face, belt, helmet, boots. Not too happy with the logo ... it's very fine, but the paint built up a little too much. hope some varnish will smoothen it.

A little too much red for my taste as well. i'll try to put some white pattern onto the gloves and the belt.

Darkson - Jul 27, 2003 - 03:24 PM
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Nice

Like the knky boots to Wink

kalten - Jul 28, 2003 - 07:31 AM
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so, for the thrals we could use the human players right? could you also use other races for the thralls - I have a nice idea for an orc...

Nice vamp Tim - those lacey leggings are cool. Got to admit I don't like the helmets on the new models, but thats just my preference. I would'nt worry too much about the red - It ofsets the black nicely and will look more striking on the board I think

Melifaxis - Jul 28, 2003 - 10:34 AM
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skummy wrote:

Yup, he snapped those guys up.

I snapped them up, but on eBay so they are coming from someone else...they should be here any day.

Melifaxis - Jul 28, 2003 - 10:36 AM
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Tim wrote:

Here's a preview of my vamp #2: "Buffy Lost"

5x5!

Colin - Jul 28, 2003 - 11:01 AM
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kalten wrote:

so, for the thrals we could use the human players right? could you also use other races for the thralls - I have a nice idea for an orc...

I believe the thralls are all supposed to be human thralls, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Melifaxis - Jul 28, 2003 - 11:26 AM
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I don't think we ever clarified it. Technically a vamp could bite just a bout any race.

I was working on a non-human myself, but he's an off field support character. Should I change?

Shadewe - Jul 29, 2003 - 10:20 AM
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I found a good GW thrall counter part that I am going to convert. I am deciding what changes to make to the left arm and adding some chains to the body.

Indigo - Jul 30, 2003 - 02:24 AM
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I don't really think we need to worry about what is allowed for the thralls - if we use non-humans then it will only add to the overall impression of the team!

Going to start painting my vamp tonight I think

kalten - Jul 30, 2003 - 05:21 AM
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if thats the general view then I think I will start on my orc idea....let me know please guys.

Traveller - Jul 30, 2003 - 05:57 AM
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Hm, have to check, where i paint this NAF logo on my Mordheim Middenheimer Youngbloods girlie... i dont think i will put a shoulderpad on this mini. Have to think about it...

Traveller

Melifaxis - Jul 30, 2003 - 07:28 AM
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Keep in mind that the logo vote is still pending too...

Traveller - Jul 30, 2003 - 07:53 AM
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Quote:

Keep in mind that the logo vote is still pending too...

ups, where is this poll to find ?

Traveller

Torpor - Jul 30, 2003 - 08:33 AM
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Quote:

ups, where is this poll to find ?

Traveller

Anthony hasn't posted it yet so you haven't missed anything.
I have completed most of the markers. My icon to the left is the score marker with the old logo. The current logo is on the score marker. I do have space for the new logo on a marker, but am not too worried if it doesn't get decided upon.
The total number of re-roll markers is 8 in the end (7 team re-rolls, plus a leader re-roll). I couldn't see the point of making more than that. Will try to get proper pictures posted soon.
Cheers,
Torpor

Melifaxis - Jul 30, 2003 - 06:49 PM
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Check out Anthony's post in the General area about merging the NAF and TBB Forums

Torpor - Jul 31, 2003 - 04:45 AM
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Quote:

Check out Anthony's post in the General area about merging the NAF and TBB Forums

He means the announcement in the 'Comments' area...

Traveller - Jul 31, 2003 - 05:58 AM
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thanks a lot... i just read all last posts at " general ".... Shocked

and didnt find it !

Traveller

Melifaxis - Jul 31, 2003 - 06:01 AM
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That too

Melifaxis - Jul 31, 2003 - 06:02 AM
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Nice job on the markers Torpor!! Well, I'll see you all on the TBB thread...I moved the main stuff from this thread to TBB under the Miniatures section...feel free to bring over anything I missed between now and the 15th.

Torpor - Aug 01, 2003 - 03:18 PM
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Not sure where I should be posting this so will post it both here and on TBB and see what happens. The link below is where I stashed pictures of the team markers. I hope that people like them.

http://www.geocities.com/faintlym/nafmarkers.html

I didn't post the pictures themselves here as I didn't want to have a dozen photos clogging up the thread.

Grasshopper - Aug 04, 2003 - 09:55 AM
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Excellent freaking job. Twisted Evil

Melifaxis - Aug 04, 2003 - 01:54 PM
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Looks like we're keeping the NAF forums so let's keep it over here...

Sorry about that, I jumped the gun Embarassed

Indigo - Aug 05, 2003 - 01:51 AM
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s'ok, every man gets a little premature at some point in his life Wink

(allegedly)

Grasshopper - Aug 05, 2003 - 12:42 PM
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Hey, here's a question for y'all. Anyone finding that the tab Twisted Evil

on the figs is much bigger than the slottabase will take?... or is it just me?

BlanchPrez - Aug 05, 2003 - 02:35 PM
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Grasshopper, I had the same problem. I did two things... used a file to file down the tab on the figure, and an xacto knife to widen the slotta base. Took some doing, but he's firmly in the base now.

Chris

Torpor - Aug 05, 2003 - 02:40 PM
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Grasshopper said

Quote:

Anyone finding that the tab on the figs is much bigger than the slottabase will take?... or is it just me?

I would take that situation over the new elf team... The tabs on the elves are very small and are a pain to superglue into a slottabase. Shaving off metal is not a problem, adding green stuff to the tab to bulk it up is. Good luck with the vampires.

Torpor

Melifaxis - Aug 05, 2003 - 03:11 PM
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Grasshopper wrote:

Hey, here's a question for y'all. Anyone finding that the tab Twisted Evil

on the figs is much bigger than the slottabase will take?... or is it just me?

For someone who's getting to paint a vamp I sure hear a lot of whining... Wink

Grasshopper - Aug 05, 2003 - 07:06 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

For someone who's getting to paint a vamp I sure hear a lot of whining... Wink

All right you... shut your cakehole. Razz

Thanks, Blanch Twisted Evil

Melifaxis - Aug 07, 2003 - 08:34 AM
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Did you even make the HBBL playoffs? Surprised

Deathwing - Aug 07, 2003 - 10:35 AM
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Hey..I've started! Very Happy

Logo came out ok (I used the entire shoulderpad to give me a little more room than Tim had, it's shield shaped, right?), but suffering from pretty much the same problem Tim faced (and I usually suffer with when painting detail) i.e paint build up. What I think I'm gonna try is to use some of that new 'ardcoat vanish to smooth it over before I apply the usual matt varnish.
Nice detail on the fig though, a real pleasure to paint so far.

BlanchPrez - Aug 07, 2003 - 03:08 PM
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Deathwing wrote:

Hey..I've started! Very Happy

Logo came out ok (I used the entire shoulderpad to give me a little more room than Tim had, it's shield shaped, right?),

I was thinking of doing the same thing, how did that work?

Chris

Deathwing - Aug 07, 2003 - 04:40 PM
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Just painted it on, looks ok..unfortunately no camera here right now, but I'll try an get a WIP pic up over the next few days..(or possibly even some finished pics).

Shadewe - Aug 08, 2003 - 11:36 AM
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Is it okay to paint the current logo on the player I am converting?

Torpor - Aug 08, 2003 - 12:17 PM
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Shouldn't be a problem as several people have already finished their entries with the current logo...

Torpor

BlanchPrez - Aug 08, 2003 - 01:02 PM
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I think the current logo will probably be easier than the ones featuring the spiky ball, really. But, I'll hold off on saying that until I see what the final logo will be.

Chris

Melifaxis - Aug 08, 2003 - 02:02 PM
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I think any of the logos are fine. The spirit of them is all the same. It looks like #2 is going to win, but who knows...

BlanchPrez - Aug 08, 2003 - 02:20 PM
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OOops... I ment to say easier TO PAINT. My bad.

Chris

aerofool - Aug 09, 2003 - 03:20 PM
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Just an update, I'm almost done with mine, just another day or so to get the details right!

aerofool - Aug 18, 2003 - 09:59 AM
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Hey Mel, any word on how many total submissions for the team have arrived? How many whom you sent models out that have not turned it back in?

Just wondering...

I'm going to base mine and get it clear-coated tonight. I'll finally be done!

Melifaxis - Aug 18, 2003 - 10:57 AM
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None have arrived yet, although I think a couple of folks are done.

Has anyone mailed one? Should I be concerned?

Grasshopper - Aug 19, 2003 - 12:11 PM
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Hey Guys, looks like GW's finished their figs first.

http://home.comcast.net/~reddog10/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-865468.html

Tim - Aug 20, 2003 - 10:56 AM
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Hurrah, mine is done. No major changes to the preview, just some detail work.

more pics are in my gallery

Grasshopper - Aug 20, 2003 - 11:58 AM
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Nice butt shot. Mr. Green

Nice Job TIM, I've got this sudden urge though to paint up the new Zara the Slayer figl and have a catfight. Vampire

grrrrrr..

Melifaxis - Aug 27, 2003 - 08:09 AM
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Ok, I spent a few hours grinding XP in SWG and working on the conversion of the team's Plazmaboy. Experimenting with a few different things to make Red Cross style blood collection bags of the appropriate size....

Still waiting for some bitz in the mail. May have to just sculpt them at this point.

Xtreme - Aug 27, 2003 - 05:59 PM
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So is the forum moving or not?

Indigo - Aug 28, 2003 - 12:36 AM
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no, it's staying here now

Traveller - Aug 28, 2003 - 02:39 AM
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Hm, after finishing my Orcteam i got time for the next minis Wink

Can someone please tell me, where i can find this new NAF logo or the poll about NAF logos.

BTW... i will do a female thrall conversion for the NAF Team ... a girl of the Mordheim minis.

Traveller

Torpor - Aug 28, 2003 - 04:32 AM
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Traveller-

http://www.bloodbowl.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=730&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

about the middle of page 2 is a picture of what was agreed upon when last I looked...

Cheers,
Torpor

Traveller - Aug 28, 2003 - 08:12 AM
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Thanks for the information about the logo poll. Interesting!

So its number 2 or the one, posted by Thadrin ?

Traveller

BTW... i´m Graphicdesigner, too. Wink

Melifaxis - Aug 29, 2003 - 07:32 AM
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Considering the circumstances surrounding the 2003 TBB Legacy Team I just wanted to post this info:

Grasshopper and SkinkFury are good friends of mine and both live nearby. God forbid anything should happen to me, I'll make sure they know what to do with the NAF Legacy Team so we have no issues there.

Melifaxis - Sep 02, 2003 - 09:16 AM
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Hey Guys,
It looks like some folks are starting to mail things out. Please don't feel pressured we still have until Nov 30th. For those of you that I have an e-mail address for I will e-mail you my address. If anyone else needs it, just PM me Very Happy

Thanks,
Rob

Ancalagon - Sep 03, 2003 - 01:14 AM
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Traveller wrote:

BTW... i´m Graphicdesigner, too. Wink

Erm... me too

Melifaxis - Sep 03, 2003 - 04:28 PM
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The markers arrived in today's mail. I'll update the 1st post to mark things that are received as well as PMing the folks that sent them that way we keep track.

Torpor - Sep 04, 2003 - 02:54 AM
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Am glad that the markers made it and in less than a week from the UK to the US. Very Happy

Thank you for the PM to let me know that they arrived. I just hope that the team doesn't need to use all of the re-rolls.

Cheers,
Torpor

Tim - Sep 16, 2003 - 10:13 AM
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quite a dead topic ... no progress made by anyone?

I'll wait until November before mailing my mini out ... so i can keep it in my display case for another 2 months Smile

Deathwing - Sep 16, 2003 - 10:26 AM
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Actually my vamp is about done. Just a little more work on the base and he's ready for varnish. No pics yet though.

Melifaxis - Sep 16, 2003 - 12:08 PM
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I need to order some bitz to finish the conversion of the "Plazmaboy". I plan on ordering them this weekend (wanted to combine with my league playoff prizes to get free shipping). Once the bitz show up it should only be a few days before I start painting.

I know SkinkFury had primed his and started, but don't know where he stands. I'll check with him tonight as he doesn't post often.

BlanchPrez - Sep 16, 2003 - 01:22 PM
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I'm almost finished with mine, just some details (NAF logo & number) and basing and I am ready to ship. BTW, anyone know where I can get decent Static Grass online? All my local store carries is flock.

Chris

Indigo - Sep 17, 2003 - 03:01 AM
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mine isn't anywhere near done, been spending too much time on the tourney although I will try and do it when I get back from holiday...

Deathwing - Sep 17, 2003 - 04:21 AM
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Indigo wrote:

I voted September - it's 1 mini.....

Indigo wrote:

mine isn't anywhere near done, been spending too much time on the tourney although I will try and do it when I get back from holiday...

LMAO!

Indigo - Sep 17, 2003 - 05:04 AM
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I know

consider me suitably humbled Very Happy

Darkson - Sep 17, 2003 - 08:57 AM
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Haven't even started mine yet Embarassed

Plan on making a start after CamCarn (and the TBB player, and the Spiky team [gulp Neutral

]

aerofool - Sep 17, 2003 - 09:47 AM
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The poll and logos are located in the comments page of the forum.

I am currently working with Anthony on all the alterations which are being made. I have been "deathly ill" the past couple of weeks and have found myself severely behind on the logo work. I have since gotten better and am finally caught up enough on everything else work related to get my set of corrections turned in to Anthony soon.

Melifaxis - Sep 17, 2003 - 09:58 AM
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Darkson wrote:

Haven't even started mine yet Embarassed

Plan on making a start after CamCarn (and the TBB player, and the Spiky team [gulp Neutral

]

The TBB player is due after this one Very Happy

Melifaxis - Sep 17, 2003 - 09:59 AM
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aerofool wrote:

Glad you're feeling better! Someone must have hit you with Morley's Revenge Wink

BlanchPrez - Sep 17, 2003 - 01:11 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

The TBB player is due after this one Very Happy

Thank the Gods for that, because I haven't even BOUGHT the figures for my TBB figure. Rolling Eyes

Chris

joker_BBBL - Sep 26, 2003 - 04:07 PM
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let me show u the preview of the coach

sorry for the bad pic, highligh on black doesnt appear and shadow on white too ....

need to found the color of the snake, anyone have an idea ?
and for the dress, did i put the NAF logo ?

SBG - Sep 27, 2003 - 10:54 AM
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Hi guys !

I haven't started on Luthor yet, but I'll make it on time, don't worry.

Just one thing I wanted to let you know : I don't think I'll try to paint the NAF logo. I'm not good at doing things that aren't on the minis, so instead of ruining the (possibly) good job I could do, I won't do it. If anybody wishes to paint it afterward, no offense taken.

Fred

Melifaxis - Sep 29, 2003 - 08:53 PM
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joker-BBBL wrote:

let me show u the preview of the coach

sorry for the bad pic, highligh on black doesnt appear and shadow on white too ....

need to found the color of the snake, anyone have an idea ?
and for the dress, did i put the NAF logo ?

Nice figure!! Assuming her arm will be very pale, what about a nice deep red for the snake, mottled with black? Too much red and black?

I don't know if I would use the logo on the dress. Up to you Very Happy

Melifaxis - Sep 29, 2003 - 08:54 PM
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SBG wrote:

Don't sweat it. The whole point is to get a team representative of a group of NAF members. We can't all be Squiggoth-like in our painting abilities (especially me), but we're all part of NAF and this project Very Happy

Melifaxis - Sep 29, 2003 - 08:56 PM
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McDeth wrote:

Your vamp not only arrived safe and sound today, but Zara arrived from GWUS MO as well!! Coincidence? I think not!

Worship

p.s. The bitz for the plasmaboy arrived as well so after I make sure I have a tournament ready team for Death Bowl I will get to work and post WIP pics on the site.

Indigo - Sep 30, 2003 - 01:45 AM
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go with a green snake, perhaps pale green. Will contrast nicely with the red.

BlanchPrez - Sep 30, 2003 - 01:27 PM
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Indigo wrote:

go with a green snake, perhaps pale green. Will contrast nicely with the red.

Yeah, I'm with Indigo. Besides, it will make the figures tand out in the sea of Red and Black this team is shapeing up to be. Wink

Chris

Indigo - Oct 01, 2003 - 02:11 AM
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Going to start mine tonight, then move onto my next team... Goblins Very Happy

Deathwing - Oct 01, 2003 - 04:58 AM
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(Apologies for the repeated post from TBB.)

Horrid pics...what is actually a very deep red came out pink in the photos.. Surprised

!
I tried to do what I could with gamma correction but it didn't really work....
(there's something very wrong with needing natural light to take a pic of a vampire... Laughing

)
Anyway...just so you get the idea of the uniform etc...(but there's really none of the shading or highlighting shown here..lost all definition..)
Better pics will follow...

Melifaxis - Oct 01, 2003 - 08:37 AM
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Excellent!

BlanchPrez - Oct 01, 2003 - 09:06 AM
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Hey, I got a question. Is someone writing up an article on this team, to post somewhere on this site? That would be pretty cool.

Chris

Indigo - Oct 01, 2003 - 09:30 AM
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I'll do it. I'll need submissions from people about how they painted their figures though, unless you just want a "glorified picturebook" in which case I'll just need decent sized hi res pics.

PM me for email address.

Grasshopper - Oct 01, 2003 - 11:31 AM
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joker-BBBL wrote:

let me show u the preview of the coach

sorry for the bad pic, highligh on black doesnt appear and shadow on white too ....

need to found the color of the snake, anyone have an idea ?
and for the dress, did i put the NAF logo ?

NOICE JOB ! ! ! I'd certainly drop and give her 20!!! Wink

Grasshopper - Oct 01, 2003 - 11:35 AM
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Deathwing wrote:

(Apologies for the repeated post from TBB.)

Horrid pics...what is actually a very deep red came out pink in the photos.. Surprised

!
I tried to do what I could with gamma correction but it didn't really work....
(there's something very wrong with needing natural light to take a pic of a vampire... Laughing

)
Anyway...just so you get the idea of the uniform etc...(but there's really none of the shading or highlighting shown here..lost all definition..)
Better pics will follow...

I LIKE IT ! ! !

Great Job DarkWing. Wink

Indigo - Oct 02, 2003 - 02:53 AM
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Grasshopper wrote:

Great Job DarkWing. Wink

lol ffs I hope you're kidding.... Rolling Eyes

Deathwing - Oct 02, 2003 - 03:53 AM
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On another thread a while back, Grasshopper wrote:

Deathwing wrote:

Grasshopper wrote:

...Darkwing...

Whoops, eh sorry about that DW... I'll get Gyro over here to fix that glitch right away. Smile

Indigo - Oct 02, 2003 - 04:14 AM
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just checking Wink

Melifaxis - Oct 02, 2003 - 08:31 AM
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Indigo wrote:

I can help out as well. Hopefully, we can get it published in BB Magazine. This goes without saying, but it's key to thank Andy/Specialist Games for donating the figures. King

GalakStarscraper - Oct 02, 2003 - 08:46 AM
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I finished all the green stuff conversion of the assistant coaches. Need to finish my Underworld Cup team first.

Shouldn't take long to paint the assistant coaches though.

Galak

Indigo - Oct 02, 2003 - 09:01 AM
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I've already had a couple of people PM with requests for my email address to send stuff to.

Shame we won't make it into the vampire release issue but any coverage would be good Smile

Grasshopper - Oct 02, 2003 - 03:29 PM
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Indigo wrote:

Grasshopper wrote:

Great Job DarkWing. Wink

lol ffs I hope you're kidding.... Rolling Eyes

But of course. Vampire

Traveller - Oct 06, 2003 - 11:04 AM
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well, ok, after painting Zara it´s time to start to paint a opponent girlie for her...

http://www.ruediger-rickassel.de/picts/NAFteam_thrall.jpg

It will be quite a differents between the colorschema Wink

Traveller

Grasshopper - Oct 06, 2003 - 02:57 PM
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Nice job trav. Only thing with the Zara fig is we need a full 360 view to actually see all the features instead of just front and back like most others.

Melifaxis - Oct 07, 2003 - 05:25 AM
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Traveller wrote:

Traveller

Cool, looking forward to seeing the finished prodcut Very Happy

I have all my bitz and will snap some WIP photos as I go. Probably won't really focus on it until after the Death Bowl though.

King

Traveller - Oct 07, 2003 - 03:57 PM
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Quote:

Only thing with the Zara fig is we need a full 360 view to actually see all the features instead of just front and back like most others.

http://www.ruediger-rickassel.de/picts/bb5_zara03.jpg
Thats a pict of the different sides of Zara i posted already at TBB.

and yes, i thought about a small 360 degree gif animation just a few days ago. I did one already on my website, which can be seen at my " Zinnfiguren " section... this one i build quite difficult at my job on a Quantel Paintbox with Camera, with DigiBeta, conversions,.... just to test it... years ago... Rolling Eyes

Now, with a own digital camera should be much easier. Wink

BTW.. just gave the little Thrallie some small shoulderpads, too Wink

Traveller

Grasshopper - Oct 08, 2003 - 12:00 PM
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Niiiiiiiiiiiice. Ya know it';s just a shame that you don't put a little more effort into your mini's. Mr. Green

Colin - Oct 11, 2003 - 07:14 PM
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I just realised that the due date is the end of Nov., geez I better get them finished ASAP (barely even started). I hope to have them finished by the end of this week. Rolling Eyes

aerofool - Oct 12, 2003 - 08:47 PM
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yeah, it really sneaks up on ya! I've been looking at mine for the past month trying to figure out how to do the base. Mine's all ready aside from that, and trust me I prolly won't have the base finished until the end of the month!

Indigo - Oct 13, 2003 - 03:10 AM
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just to check - we send them to melifaxis when we're done right?

Melifaxis - Oct 14, 2003 - 03:01 PM
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Yup, just PM me for my address Very Happy

Xtreme - Oct 15, 2003 - 01:33 AM
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Got my team for the Underworld jsut about done, and my NAF mini is on deck, I should be done early. Yeaaa me.

Indigo - Oct 15, 2003 - 01:50 AM
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I should have mine done by the end of next week.
will welcome the break from painting elves & gobbos!

Melifaxis - Oct 15, 2003 - 11:27 AM
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FYI
I just PM'ed the three of you (Xtreme, Indigo, & Torg) who think you'll be done in the next week or so with my address. That way you're not waiting for it while I'm away this weekend just in case. Have fun painting.

I can't wait to see the team as a whole!! Someone is going to be very lucky come the end of November Very Happy

Indigo - Oct 16, 2003 - 01:58 AM
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Although mine is almost finished, I am not 100% satisfied with it. Still, it's a fairly good paint job despite the huge lump of metal beside her nose that looks like some unusual growth...

Melifaxis - Oct 16, 2003 - 08:19 PM
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Threw 2 pics of the bitz I'm using onto the website. I'll take WIP pictures as I go along.

joker_BBBL - Oct 20, 2003 - 09:32 AM
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ok i make 2-3 correction and the fig is done, send me the adress, thx

did u varnish them or not ?

Melifaxis - Oct 20, 2003 - 10:02 AM
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That is superb!!

p.s. Gave Andy a brief status update and he is looking forward to seeing the completed team and choosing the random winner come the end of November.

Fondu77 - Oct 20, 2003 - 11:40 AM
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euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.....F..... good one

mosalva - Oct 21, 2003 - 06:14 PM
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Nice one! Beautiful vampire coach!
Now, can someone tell me how to post pictures of painted figures in these messages? I haven't figured it out yet!

Melifaxis - Oct 21, 2003 - 07:44 PM
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Sure... the best way to explain it is to tell you to hit the quote button on someone who has posted a picture Very Happy

Indigo - Oct 22, 2003 - 02:58 AM
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Will be flocking mine tomorrow and getting it in the post on Friday. still not 100% happy with it, but hey...

mosalva - Oct 22, 2003 - 11:13 AM
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Quote:

Sure... the best way to explain it is to tell you to hit the quote button on someone who has posted a picture

Sorry Melifaxis, don't quite understand what you said. I'm not sure if you are being serious or only playing.

Grasshopper - Oct 22, 2003 - 11:27 AM
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If you QUOTE someone who has a pic in their message, it'll show you the syntax for the image tag to put pictures in. Mr. Green

joker_BBBL - Oct 23, 2003 - 01:53 AM
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1st u have to upload the pic on a server

then open the tag img like this (remove * between []) : [*img*]http://target of the pic.jpg[*/img*]

and voila Smile

Darkson - Oct 23, 2003 - 08:39 AM
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Can someone remnd me which one's due first, the TBB Legacy or the NAF one Embarassed

Melifaxis - Oct 23, 2003 - 08:48 AM
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NAF = Novemeber 30th
TBB = January 31st

Very Happy

Traveller - Nov 01, 2003 - 01:28 PM
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Hi again... i´m working at the female converted thrall right now... after the 3 rotters i posted at TBB Wink

Well, nearly finished. Just face and base... and the number on the shoulder pad ? Any numbering until now ? I saw Tim´s Vampy got the Number 2 ? I dont wont to read a 22 pages posting ... please tell me someone... if not, i will take Number 5 or 9.

Traveller

Melifaxis - Nov 01, 2003 - 02:33 PM
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5 and 9 were both claimed already

http://www.bloodbowl.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=680&start=15

You previously chose 7, but can choose any open number you want to.

p.s. Welcome to November...30 days to go

Traveller - Nov 01, 2003 - 02:41 PM
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argh, tooooo looooong ago.... i just forgot . Thanks, i will stick on #7.

Hm, i saw , Tim s base is black and got this grey dust on it. I will paint my base the same way... and will finish the mini tomorrow and post a pict, too Smile

Melifaxis... can you please PM me your adress ?

Traveller

Traveller - Nov 02, 2003 - 04:36 AM
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http://www.ruediger-rickassel.de/picts/NAF_legacy01.jpg

OK, finish ! With Number 7 and the NAF Logo.

Thanks to Tim for pointing out this Mordhem mini, which i converted l little. Wink

As you can see, some Vampire got his/her " off for a bite " on her already... Wink

I just can tell, i really, really hope to be the lucky man, who will win this team. This mini is real nice and i like the colorschema. If i get the BB Vampires minis i will use it, too.

Traveller

Melifaxis - Nov 02, 2003 - 05:40 AM
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Wow! Another excellent figure. Great work Traveller!

I have said it before, and I will say it again. The winner of this team is going to be one lucky SOB!

Very Happy

Colin - Nov 02, 2003 - 09:24 AM
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Wow, that looks F'n awesome! I'm only about halfway finished mine and it won't look even close to being that good (I'm sure no one's surprised at that).

SBG - Nov 02, 2003 - 02:17 PM
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Holy Sh*t ! I just saw Trav's fig and I'm not sure I'm at that level! But anyway, it shouldn't bring the overall quality of the team too low either !

Fred

BlanchPrez - Nov 03, 2003 - 03:08 PM
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SBG wrote:

Holy Sh*t ! I just saw Trav's fig and I'm not sure I'm at that level! But anyway, it shouldn't bring the overall quality of the team too low either !

Fred

I know I'm not at that level! But, my figure isn't bad, either. Smile

I just need to base it and paint the logo and the number on it, and I'll be set.

Chris

Traveller - Nov 04, 2003 - 01:24 AM
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hm, i dont want to frustrate any other painter. Sorry !

I just want to show my finished mini, because I like to see good painted minis, too ... and there are a lot of painters out there better then me, too ! But i try to learn from these picts, too. Thats also the reason i read the White Dwarfs Masterclass articles. Sometimes i dont like the painting, but sometimes you see something new like a combination of colors to get a special effect.

BTW, you dont want to see my first minis... no, you really dont want to do this ! Wink

And... i´m older than the most of the people here Embarassed

... so maybe lot of more training. Wink

But i tell you, to get some compliments feels good , too. Very Happy

OK, back to the topic. The thrall is on the road !

Traveller

SBG - Nov 04, 2003 - 09:58 PM
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No offense taken Trav!

I'm sure I'll get a couple of compliments as well !

Fred

Colin - Nov 04, 2003 - 11:26 PM
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I'm trying to get mine done this week and sent off (I hope), should be able to as I am off this week so have plenty of spare time. The only thing I am worried about is that my sub-par paint job will not fit in with the rest of the well painted team. Sad to say, but I was trying to paint black and white striped pants and couldn't get them to look any good so had to paint over them with black. To make up for my mediocre painting ability, I am doing an extra mini (a converted cheerleader). Quantity over quality. Rolling Eyes

Darkson - Nov 05, 2003 - 11:18 AM
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Well, my paintjob will be below your's, so don't worry.

BlanchPrez - Nov 05, 2003 - 01:43 PM
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Wow, the amount of confidence in the painting skill of this group is outstanding... Wink

Chris

Xtreme - Nov 05, 2003 - 05:47 PM
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Quote:

Quantity over quality.

I know how you feel there, I almost starting planning for this from the begining. With every pic that is posted my confidence gets lower, whoever takes the team pic has my permison to put mine in the back behind some big model or something.

Colin - Nov 05, 2003 - 06:24 PM
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Well it's kinda good to know that mine won't be the only one that sucks. Wink

Melifaxis - Nov 05, 2003 - 06:24 PM
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This isn't about all of us being Frazetta or Van Gogh. It's a fun contest in the spirit of the hobby. Enjoy painting your mini. The team will be a cool cross representation of a bunch of NAF coaches. Do your best, and just hope you're the lucky SOB that Andy pulls from the hat. Very Happy

My painting skills are only mediocre too, but the more you paint the better you get...

Deathwing - Nov 05, 2003 - 06:30 PM
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I wouldn't sweat it guys...this is about participation and contribution rather than ability or experience....gotta say that I saw the TBB Legacy Gobbo team 'in the metal/plastic' at Spiky, and although there was some differences in painting levels (if you're gonna be picky), they looked damn awesome as a team and I'd be proud to own any one of the models in it!

Traveller - Nov 06, 2003 - 01:13 AM
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Quote:

this is about participation and contribution rather than ability or experience

I agree with DW. And i would paint a mini just for fun, too, if i couldnt paint half so well.

BTW ... I just put picts of some minis online at " Cool Mini or Not "page. Just to see, what a even larger community of painters will say...
http://www.coolminiornot.com/browse.php?submitter=traveller

Quote:

I saw the TBB Legacy Gobbo team 'in the metal/plastic' at Spiky

DW,any response of the viewers of the team ? Any picts ?

Traveller

Indigo - Nov 06, 2003 - 02:41 AM
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completely missed the TBB team at spiky, dammit

anyway, my vamp should be going in the post today - I remembered to bring her into work EVENTUALLY... Rolling Eyes

Darkson - Nov 06, 2003 - 08:36 AM
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You mean McD brought the TBB team to Spiky? And I missed it? Bugger! Sad

Colin - Nov 06, 2003 - 04:24 PM
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I'm sending the figs off to Mel today, so they should arrive before the deadline. They don't look as bad as I expected but not as good as I hoped (if that makes any sense).

Deathwing - Nov 06, 2003 - 07:14 PM
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Didn't take any TBB legacy pics at Spiky, sorry Trav.
And Indigo and Darkson...lol...wake up guys... Rolling Eyes

(I'm sure Steve'll bring them along again, I expect you'll see them sooner or later...)

McDeth - Nov 07, 2003 - 05:23 AM
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Sorry Guys i've been really slow taking pics, crap weather limits decent daylight for the digicamera.

Hoiwever for a quick fix you can try this http://www.freewebs.com/mcdethsbb/teampicturezips.htm

Tim - Nov 07, 2003 - 05:41 AM
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Btw: are the minis from Anthony and lightningbug still missing???

McDeth - Nov 07, 2003 - 06:47 AM
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Tim wrote:

Btw: are the minis from Anthony and lightningbug still missing???

Yep. Spoke to Antony a month or so ago, when he advised they were still coming, but Lightningbug didn't respond to my PM

Grasshopper - Nov 07, 2003 - 09:57 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

This isn't about all of us being Frazetta or Van Gogh...

But if you want to cut off your ear for the extra credit then by all means... Mr. Green

Melifaxis - Nov 10, 2003 - 07:13 PM
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Trav, she has arrived safe and sound. She is even more breathtaking in person! Surprised

Traveller - Nov 11, 2003 - 02:34 AM
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Uff, good to knew...

now i can go for holidays without to be worry about the Legacy mini. Very Happy

And when i return from Cuba 8th of December i will be quite courius who won the team ... Wink

Traveller

Indigo - Nov 11, 2003 - 03:38 AM
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bugger forgot to post mine - i'll get her off today (oo-er)

GalakStarscraper - Nov 11, 2003 - 07:26 AM
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Conversions done ... will take me one day to paint my three figures. Will get it done after the Underworld Cup.

Galak

SBG - Nov 11, 2003 - 10:29 AM
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Count Luthor looking sharp so far !

Should complete him soon and ship him.

(Although his Highness mentionned something about flying there, I don't trust him... Shocked

)

Fred

Djengis_kahn - Nov 11, 2003 - 11:47 AM
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When is the expiring date ??

Djengis Khan.. Razz

Melifaxis - Nov 11, 2003 - 02:50 PM
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Djengis_kahn wrote:

When is the expiring date ??

Djengis Khan.. Razz

November 30th is the due date Very Happy

aerofool - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:20 AM
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Ok, here's the long awaited pics of my Thrall.
Exclamation

Sorry if some of the detail is kinda dark.. It looks much better in person!
Cool

I've had this guy sitting on my desk the past 2 months painted (base not done) and 1 week completed base and all. Very Happy

I must say that I've grown attatched to the lil guy! Embarassed

If I dont win the team... I'm surely going to get my own Vamp team painted up myself. Otherwise I'm going to really miss this lil bugger! Sad

longfang - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:24 AM
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Did it come with that ball under it's arm or did you add it?

(Checks first before slagging off)

aerofool - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:25 AM
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The ball was part of the model.

longfang - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:29 AM
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That ball is the worst I've ever seen! Look at the shape and size of it. I can't believe they paid someone to sculpt it.

aerofool - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:32 AM
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So you're saying I should be glad I didn't add the ball to the model?

lol

Deathwing - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:36 AM
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I dunno, some green stuff on those Skaven (including a ball to be fair) and LF's suddenly expert enough to be slagging off Steve Buddle....

(Looks alright to me, and don't forget it's hugely scaled up.)

Melifaxis - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:55 AM
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Another awesome mini!

longfang - Nov 13, 2003 - 09:55 AM
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Deathwing wrote:

Just wait and see Wink

LouisX - Nov 13, 2003 - 10:04 AM
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Ho la Del, you're puting pressure on me...The ones i've sculpted look like that Laughing

Djengis_kahn - Nov 13, 2003 - 10:37 AM
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is this a referee team.. ???? Laughing

looks great !! Mr. Green

the models looks realy cool too !! and the ball doesn't look that bad !! and no bad words about Steve Buddle !! He made the nurgle rotters too !! Worship

Traveller - Nov 13, 2003 - 10:56 AM
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hm, where is male thrall looking at.... maybe my female thrall ? Shocked

Good, at last the minis are dropping in ! Very Happy

Quote:

I must say that I've grown attatched to the lil guy!

Same here with my little lady !

Traveller

SBG - Nov 13, 2003 - 11:31 AM
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Wow guys! I really have to get a hold of my dad's camera, then the Count can be shared with you all! This weekend maybe???

Fred

McDeth - Nov 14, 2003 - 08:36 AM
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I cant wait to win this team Wink

Hopefully it'll arrive just in time for me to open it Christmas Morning Wink

Melifaxis - Nov 14, 2003 - 01:37 PM
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If you win this one to you'd really have too many Legacy teams and need to sell one to me, right? Wink

Melifaxis - Nov 14, 2003 - 04:13 PM
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Torg's minis have arrived safe and sound!! Very Happy

Colin - Nov 14, 2003 - 09:26 PM
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Yay!!

Melifaxis - Nov 19, 2003 - 03:16 PM
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Just a reminder that there are 11 days left in November...

King

SBG - Nov 20, 2003 - 08:01 AM
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It's rough for me right now, but I'll send it FedEx if I have to to make the deadline! For you guys interested in hockey, don't forget to watch the outdoor game on Saturday between the Edmonton Oilers and the (insert prank here) Montreal Canadiens! I know, I shouldn't bite the hand that feeds me, but hey! We do kind of...well, have some difficulties right now... Shocked

Fred

Melifaxis - Nov 20, 2003 - 01:47 PM
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That game will be classic!! I for one will be tuned in Very Happy

Don't worry about FedExing it. Just send it regular mail it's only a couple of days longer. Same goes for everyone else. Smile

Please, at the very least let me know your status by the 30th. I can't have your name in the hat when Andy draws if you decided to opt out. I know SkinkFury is painting his up this week now that he has finished his wood elf squad for our league.

Indigo - Nov 21, 2003 - 02:51 AM
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Mine's in the post already, should be with you early next week I expect.

Sorry I couldn't manage any pics...

Grasshopper - Nov 21, 2003 - 11:42 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

I know SkinkFury is painting his up this week now that he has finished his wood elf squad for our league.

What?... You mean I get to play a team that's actually painted besides yours? Now there will be more than jsut 2 entries in best painted comp? Mr. Green

Melifaxis - Nov 21, 2003 - 08:26 PM
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Grasshopper wrote:

What?... You mean I get to play a team that's actually painted besides yours? Now there will be more than jsut 2 entries in best painted comp? Mr. Green

My skaven will be done soon. Stop posting here and get your vampire painted!! Very Happy

Melifaxis - Nov 21, 2003 - 08:27 PM
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Tim, the package arrived safely!!! Even better in person. Surprised

Galak, thank you for remembering my prize. The mini looks excellent!

Indigo - Nov 23, 2003 - 03:00 PM
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have you got a camera? if so, can you get a pic of mine online when it arrives.

When's the closing date again and how many/who are we waiting for?

Darkson - Nov 23, 2003 - 03:11 PM
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Still waiting on mine, and to be honest, I don't think it will be finished in time, but I'm still trying.

Melifaxis - Nov 24, 2003 - 09:46 AM
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The first post has those received in bold font and those we are waiting on in regular font.

Currently, 6/26 have been received.

I worked on the Plazmaboy some this weekend. He will be done after a few more hours of effort. Had some trouble with the greenstuff (first time using it) but I think we're in good shape now.

Indigo, no prob. I'll snap a few photos once it arrives.

Melifaxis - Nov 24, 2003 - 09:52 AM
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Darkson wrote:

Still waiting on mine, and to be honest, I don't think it will be finished in time, but I'm still trying.

Just give it your best shot Very Happy

From the get go, I figured we would have a few trickle in after 11/30.

We should probably discuss a SOL (Sh*t Out of Luck - do you use that expression in GBR?) Deadline. The SOL deadline would mean that if I haven't heard from you and don't have your mini in hand, then you will not be in the hat that Andy draws the name from.

Deathwing - Nov 24, 2003 - 10:06 AM
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Heh..mine's been done for ages now...had no varnish for the last coupla weeks...I'll get him off tom.

BlanchPrez - Nov 24, 2003 - 10:21 AM
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Deathwing wrote:

Heh..mine's been done for ages now...had no varnish for the last coupla weeks...I'll get him off tom.

Same here. I'm buying varnish today. Anyone have any recomendations? I was just figuring on getting the GW spray varnish at my local game store (I believe they have it). But if not, what do you guys recommend?

Chris

SBG - Nov 24, 2003 - 12:56 PM
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Mine will be in next week. FedEx-ed on Monday, in by Tuesday...

Mel, pm me your address please.

Fred

Indigo - Nov 25, 2003 - 01:23 AM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

Same here. I'm buying varnish today. Anyone have any recomendations?

Dunno if you have it abroad but the Winsor & Newton Matt Acrylic Varnish is a pot for about £4 and it's superb. Totally matt finish and the protection seems to be better than the old GW gloss varnish - I tried dropping a couple of minis in both onto the floor (bored, yes...) and the matt survived whereas the gloss chipped after 4 or 5 goes.

BlanchPrez - Nov 25, 2003 - 09:35 AM
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I actually bought a can of GW's spray mat varnish.

Mel, I need your address. I just want to get my roomate to take a few pictures of the figure with his digital camera, and then Its in the mail. Smile

Chris

Melifaxis - Nov 25, 2003 - 10:14 AM
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PM sent

SBG - Nov 25, 2003 - 12:31 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

PM sent

Got it! Paint, flock, varnish and send!

Fred

BlanchPrez - Nov 25, 2003 - 01:09 PM
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SBG wrote:

Got it! Paint, flock, varnish and send!

Fred

Sounds like a work flow to me. Smile

Chris

Melifaxis - Nov 25, 2003 - 02:56 PM
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Ok, if I didn't know where you stood (either because I'm tired and missed it or becuase you haven't posted) you should have received a PM today.

If anyone needs my address, just PM me Smile

Traveller - Nov 27, 2003 - 04:37 PM
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Aha, the minis dropping in at last... i will check end of december again. Very Happy

Traveller < on travel again ...observing the whole progress from cuba ... while drinking a Mojito cocktail Wink

Deathwing - Nov 27, 2003 - 05:32 PM
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Mine's still here. Embarassed

Got distracted with some lizzies, thought I'd varnish the lot together, y'know how it goes. He'll definately go out Monday with the next batch of European membership packs.

Indigo - Nov 28, 2003 - 01:13 AM
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is mine there yet? I sent it over a week ago now...

Melifaxis - Nov 28, 2003 - 08:10 AM
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Indigo wrote:

is mine there yet? I sent it over a week ago now...

It was not there as of Wednesday, but I will PM you the day it arrives.

Melifaxis - Nov 28, 2003 - 08:11 AM
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Deathwing wrote:

Mine's still here. Embarassed

Got distracted with some lizzies, thought I'd varnish the lot together, y'know how it goes. He'll definately go out Monday with the next batch of European membership packs.

No problem at all Smile

Worked on mine some more Wednesday, but then I used a Holocron in SWG and got distracted...he will be done on time though Very Happy

Melifaxis - Nov 28, 2003 - 01:35 PM
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Indigo, she looks great! Arrived safe and sound today Very Happy

GalakStarscraper - Nov 28, 2003 - 04:30 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Indigo, she looks great! Arrived safe and sound today Very Happy

Mel/Rob ... need your address again ... the 3 assistant coaches are finished and ready to be mailed on Monday to you.

Galak

Colin - Nov 29, 2003 - 01:23 AM
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I take it the Nov. 30 deadline is going to be extended to enable people to get there stuff in to you, just want to know when you will be making the draw (after all stuff is finally received or do you have a new deadline for the draw?). Just wondering (not that I think I will win this team or anything, but it would be nice) Wink

Melifaxis - Nov 29, 2003 - 09:48 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

Melifaxis wrote:

Indigo, she looks great! Arrived safe and sound today Very Happy

Mel/Rob ... need your address again ... the 3 assistant coaches are finished and ready to be mailed on Monday to you.

Galak

PM sent

Melifaxis - Nov 29, 2003 - 09:55 AM
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Torg wrote:

The reason I wanted a 11/30 (as opposed to 12/31) deadline is I knew there would be a little slippage and wanted the team to be in the lucky winners hands by the end of the year. After all it is the 2003 NAF Legacy Team. Cool

There are still a few folks I haven't heard from for quite some time. I'd like to give them a few more days to respond to the PM's I sent before we choose a hard deadline that will keep them out of the draw. Many figures are in the mail right now as well, and I like to give them time to arrive.

Why don't we give it until Friday, 12/05 and then discuss hard deadline options. Sound fair?

Rob

SBG - Nov 29, 2003 - 11:44 AM
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SOunds fair to me. Mine will be in by Friday.

Fred

Djengis_kahn - Nov 29, 2003 - 03:07 PM
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I think the team will look great together ! Worship

Next time I'm in ! Orc

Melifaxis - Nov 29, 2003 - 03:38 PM
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aerofool's Thrall has arrived in today's mail and looks excellent!

Xtreme - Nov 29, 2003 - 07:17 PM
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Mine will be going out Monday. Had a little delay, I just got a new job and then my car dies. Rolling Eyes

GalakStarscraper - Nov 29, 2003 - 08:14 PM
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Mine is finished and ready to mail on Monday. I did the Assistant Coaches for the team. VERY bad picture. Hope you can get the joke from this ick image. Took me a lot longer to do the conversions than I thought it would.

Galak

Indigo - Dec 01, 2003 - 06:47 AM
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are you going to be able to take any pics of the assembled team melifaxis?

BlanchPrez - Dec 01, 2003 - 08:15 AM
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Okay, due to various issues, my figure will be in the mail today, and I will put in in priority, to make sure it gets in before Friday. I have pictures, but no place to host them. If someone can host them for me, I'd appreciate it. Smile

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 01, 2003 - 08:19 AM
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Indigo wrote:

are you going to be able to take any pics of the assembled team melifaxis?

Yup, hopefully the quality will be ok. I will snap some pics of mine by Wednesday. (I have class after work on Mon/Tues so there will be no sunlight to work with).

I also had a pleasant surprise waiting for me this morning at work. Photos of Grasshopper's finished vamp Smile

I will add them to the web at lunch.

BlanchPrez - Dec 01, 2003 - 08:26 AM
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Thanks, guys, I'm sending the pictures to Mel. Very Happy

Gotta say, this was a blast, I'm sorry to see the little guy go.

Chris

aerofool - Dec 01, 2003 - 08:39 AM
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I'm really looking forward to seeing pics of the finished team. It's going to be great!

Melifaxis - Dec 01, 2003 - 09:11 AM
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Any of you guys know Hox ii, Holleran, Drowgamer, Shadewe, or MattRobson?

None of them have e-mail addresses listed and they haven't responded to my PM yet (MattRobson hasn't opened his PM yet).

My PM box became full this morning, but I just cleaned half of it out.

Indigo - Dec 01, 2003 - 09:21 AM
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I know *of* MattRobson, saw him at the blood bowl. Try contacting him via PM.

All you can do is tell them the deadline over PM and if they don't get onboard then it's their loss. It's not like you haven't given them time and warning.

Not wanting to sound too harsh though after my "IT MUST BE DONE BY JUNE" episode Smile

Melifaxis - Dec 01, 2003 - 09:38 AM
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They all have been sent PM's and I even posted on TBB and PM'ed Hox ii on TBB (the others may not go there or have different handles).

We'll stick with the plan and give it until Friday to hear from them, then name a hard deadline for receipt of the mini's and if they are not in then it's their loss Sad

Indigo - Dec 01, 2003 - 09:42 AM
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what minis do they have?

Melifaxis - Dec 01, 2003 - 10:04 AM
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Indigo wrote:

what minis do they have?

Whatever they had decided to convert. They were not one of the random folks that got to paint a mini that Fanatic provided.

drowgamer - Dec 01, 2003 - 10:47 AM
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Im sorry all, after my long stay in the hospital (over a month) I have returned. Sad to say that my mini is but a few bits on my dust covered desk at the moment. My friend John wanted to know my password to look around the site and see if he wanted to Join the NAF, he didnt tell me about the PM. I am sorry about not havin a figure as i promised. I will however make it up for the next NAF team. I will submit an awsome mini but also a case/ stadium. I am finishing working out the protype of mine an will post pics soon. Please do not be upset.

~Rob

Melifaxis - Dec 01, 2003 - 12:38 PM
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drowgamer wrote:

Not upset at all. Hope you're doing ok though! A month, wow! Obviously your health comes before Blood Bowl Very Happy

Thanks for letting us know, and I look foward to seeing pics of the case.

Indigo - Dec 02, 2003 - 01:39 AM
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yeah, getting a figure done for something like this is definitely a lower priority than getting back on your feet Smile

Melifaxis - Dec 03, 2003 - 11:29 AM
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Galak, I love the mini, but I don't get the joke Embarassed

aerofool - Dec 03, 2003 - 01:24 PM
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I think I know what he meant...

See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil...

at least that's what I got from the image.

BlanchPrez - Dec 03, 2003 - 02:57 PM
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This may have been posted before, but I don't remember. When are we doing the drawing?

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 03, 2003 - 03:27 PM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

This may have been posted before, but I don't remember. When are we doing the drawing?

Chris

Soon. I just want to give folks until the end of the week to respond to my PM's, then we'll discuss a hard deadline and have Andy do the draw.

Also, we have had our first mini casualty. SkinkFury's thrall was inadvertantly thrown out by a family member. Good thing there's no death penalty in MA Wink

He purchased another thrall from GW and is cranking it out. I should have it in my hands within a week.

BlanchPrez - Dec 03, 2003 - 03:44 PM
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No rush, I was just wondering what the date of the drawing was.

And when are you going to post my pictures? Wink

Chris

Xtreme - Dec 03, 2003 - 04:24 PM
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I don't have a camera to take a picture of mine so when it arrives i would love a pic if someone could send me one.

Melifaxis - Dec 04, 2003 - 07:33 AM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

No rush, I was just wondering what the date of the drawing was.

And when are you going to post my pictures? Wink

Chris

They were up the night I said they would be. Click the WWW under my posts Smile

Sorry, but it's only Yahoo so if I tried to show them in the forum we would have red X's Embarassed

Melifaxis - Dec 04, 2003 - 07:34 AM
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Xtreme wrote:

I don't have a camera to take a picture of mine so when it arrives i would love a pic if someone could send me one.

Consider it done. I need to get home before nightfall and snap pictures of mine too. I leave when it's dark and get home when it's dark....kind of depressing really.

BlanchPrez - Dec 04, 2003 - 08:44 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

They were up the night I said they would be. Click the WWW under my posts Smile

Sorry, but it's only Yahoo so if I tried to show them in the forum we would have red X's Embarassed

Ooops... sorry, my bad, didn't see them there... guess I should have thought of that. Embarassed

Man, this team is looking good! Can't wait to win them. Cool

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 04, 2003 - 12:00 PM
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No worries Very Happy

And your mini has arrived safe and sound!

BlanchPrez - Dec 04, 2003 - 03:48 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

No worries Very Happy

And your mini has arrived safe and sound!

Nice to know, thanks. Smile

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 05, 2003 - 10:24 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Well, December 5th is here. So here's a quick status update:

10 NAF members' miniature(s) have been received.
9 NAF members' contributions are currently in the mail.
2 NAF members may be a little late but I would expect no problems.
4 NAF members have not responded to PM's or posted here.

I propose that we make the hard deadline for the draw next Thursday, December 11th. As of now it's only the 4 that I have not heard from that I am concerned about. Figures in the mail, and those that need a few extra days but have been in communication with me should be included in the draw as far as I am concerned. Then we can have Andy do the draw on Friday the 12th (if that works for him). Does this sound fair?

Damn, I hope I win this team... King

p.s. It's almost 2004...guess we should start talking about the next team Very Happy

aerofool - Dec 05, 2003 - 03:15 PM
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I would gladly give my free membership I got for doing the new logo in order to bring this team home, lol! Seriously, the winner of this team is going to be one lucky guy/gal. I'm already looking forward to giving ideas for the next up and coming legacy team. Surprised

)

Melifaxis - Dec 05, 2003 - 04:37 PM
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Galak and Xtreme's contributions arrived today Very Happy

Xtreme - Dec 05, 2003 - 05:56 PM
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Guess they travled most of the way together.
This team is really going to be something glad I got to be part of it.

Colin - Dec 05, 2003 - 08:50 PM
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So is there a decision on when the draw for the team is going to be made?

Xtreme - Dec 05, 2003 - 10:26 PM
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Quote:

I propose that we make the hard deadline for the draw next Thursday, December 11th.

If we pull it off by then this may be the closest to a deadline a legacy team is done.

SBG - Dec 07, 2003 - 09:09 AM
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Hi guys !

I have no valuable excuses, but, things being what they are at the job and the fact that I must move within the next two weeks, I am willing to send the COunt directly to the winner, if I don't win. He is almost completed, but I don't want to rush it and do a bad job.

To prove my good will, I can even include a pair of tickets to the Canadiens. I know: not everybody is around Montreal, but if that can be a motivation for a little field trip, the tickets would be there for sure.

SO, if the community doesn't mind, I'd like to be included in the draw. I'll do my very best for the mini to be at Melifaxis' place by the deadine though.

Thanks !

Fred

Traveller - Dec 08, 2003 - 02:25 AM
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well, i´m back from my cuba trip.... and ready to see, who will win this team Wink

So, this next thursday will be THE day...

Hm, a 2004 NAF Team ? .... i got so much to convert and paint the next months... lets see. Rolling Eyes

Traveller

Melifaxis - Dec 08, 2003 - 08:22 AM
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SBG wrote:

Hi guys !

I have no valuable excuses, but, things being what they are at the job and the fact that I must move within the next two weeks, I am willing to send the Count directly to the winner, if I don't win. He is almost completed, but I don't want to rush it and do a bad job.

To prove my good will, I can even include a pair of tickets to the Canadiens. I know: not everybody is around Montreal, but if that can be a motivation for a little field trip, the tickets would be there for sure.

SO, if the community doesn't mind, I'd like to be included in the draw. I'll do my very best for the mini to be at Melifaxis' place by the deadine though.

Thanks !

Fred

I'm ok with it. If no one posts otherwise I will assume the same. Cool

Andy is out of the office on Friday, so I'll send him the names for the draw on Wednesday evening (EST). So, for the 4 of you we haven't heard from that moves it up a bit. Everyone else should be ok. Sometime Thursday we should know who the lucky winner is Very Happy

Please let it be me.....

p.s. Pics of my mini and Xtreme's mini will be up soon. The last week of grad school is busy kicking me in the a$$. Shoveling 20 inches of snow didn't help either...

Traveller - Dec 08, 2003 - 09:15 AM
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Shoveling 20 inches of snow didn't help either...

yeah, and this bad weather in Northamerica made bad weather and big waves at the north coast of cuba, too ... and i wasnt allowed to swim Wink

i think i got still some space in my collection where this nice team would fit quite good... Rolling Eyes

Traveller

AnthonyTBBF - Dec 08, 2003 - 09:42 AM
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Mine is in the mail! Had fun painting it, I really like the Vamp minis.

Darkson - Dec 08, 2003 - 09:45 AM
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Hopefully, if my flu's cleared up by tomorrow (thanks, I'm feeling a bit better) I can get mine finished tomorrow. Else, I'll do the same as SBG and sent it on to the winner directly.

Grasshopper - Dec 08, 2003 - 12:39 PM
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Traveller wrote:

Quote:

Shoveling 20 inches of snow didn't help either...

yeah, and this bad weather in Northamerica made bad weather and big waves at the north coast of cuba, too ... and i wasnt allowed to swim Wink

i think i got still some space in my collection where this nice team would fit quite good... Rolling Eyes

Traveller

BVut did you get to surf? And more importantly, did you get to bring any Stogies home? Smile

BlanchPrez - Dec 08, 2003 - 03:03 PM
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You mean we have to wait until THURSDAY to find out who wins! AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 08, 2003 - 03:11 PM
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Deathwing and Thrudd's packages arrived safe and sound today Very Happy

Great work guys!!

Torpor - Dec 09, 2003 - 01:46 AM
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Any chance of a group photo before they get sent off to their new home?

joker_BBBL - Dec 09, 2003 - 05:07 AM
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yes some pic of full team would be great if u can Smile

monday, tuesday .... damn so long ....

Melifaxis - Dec 09, 2003 - 05:30 AM
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Yes, I will snap photos before I ship them off. Very Happy

Indigo - Dec 09, 2003 - 07:22 AM
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thursday is so far away Smile

can't wait.

Traveller - Dec 09, 2003 - 07:39 AM
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Yes, I will snap photos before I ship them off

thats great. I like to do a similiar page on my website about this team like i did with the TBB legacy team2003. I hope, thats OK with the Copyright of the pict, Melifaxis ?

Traveller

Melifaxis - Dec 09, 2003 - 07:45 AM
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Any pictures I snap of the team are free to be used by the NAF community Very Happy

SkinkFury - Dec 09, 2003 - 08:16 AM
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Sorry about the lost miniature gentlemen. Embarassed

The replacement is now in my hands and will be painted within 48 hours.

Melifaxis - Dec 10, 2003 - 08:34 AM
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No new packages in the mail last night Sad

All the more for today then Exclamation

Tonight I will be sending the list of names to Andy at 5pm EST. For the 4 of you that we haven't heard from this is the LAST CALL...

Tomorrow we know who the lucky winner is Mr. Green

Indigo - Dec 10, 2003 - 08:46 AM
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how are you going to do it? post a password protected copy of the file online (I can do it) then when Andy picks the number you give out the password?

Melifaxis - Dec 10, 2003 - 09:46 AM
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I'm going to send the list of names to Andy and he will choose one randomly. I'm not certain what exact method he will be using. Then, he will be posting the winner right here in this forum Very Happy

BlanchPrez - Dec 10, 2003 - 02:40 PM
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Okay, Andy, how much? Wink

Chris

Melifaxis - Dec 10, 2003 - 03:10 PM
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Ok, time is up. I have not heard from any of the 4, so that means there are 21 contributors.

Gentlemen, you each have a 4.761904761% chance of being the lucky winner. Best of luck to you all, and thanks for giving me the opportunity to work on this project alongside you.

Rob

GalakStarscraper - Dec 10, 2003 - 07:14 PM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

Okay, Andy, how much? Wink

Chris

don't go there ... you don't want to make this a contest of seeing how much traveller and I are willing to raid the piggy banks for ... Laughing

Galak

Old_Man_Monkey - Dec 10, 2003 - 07:56 PM
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Yes, indeed, not a good idea to test some of our willpower so near to the holidays - I usually get at least one gift for myself... Laughing

-OMM

Xtreme - Dec 10, 2003 - 08:50 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote:

BlanchPrez wrote:

Okay, Andy, how much? Wink

Chris

don't go there ... you don't want to make this a contest of seeing how much traveller and I are willing to raid the piggy banks for ... Laughing

Galak

Atleast snots isn't involved here, though I know I couldn't keep up with either of you guys. Good luck to everyone but not as much good luck as me. Very Happy

Traveller - Dec 11, 2003 - 12:50 AM
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BlanchPrez wrote:
Okay, Andy, how much?
Chris

don't go there ... you don't want to make this a contest of seeing how much traveller and I are willing to raid the piggy banks for ...
Galak

Hm, the last time i didnt spent much on ebay... ok, spent a bit "intern".. Galak Wink

... but it´s tempting... Rolling Eyes

But getting in a bidding war with Galak after surviving some BigD battles (btw, where he went to ?) ... no thanks ! Wink

Well, just a few hours and we all will knew more.

I just cleaned my Vampy Team, which i got two days before from local shop. If i dont get the NAF team i ´m quite sure, i will use the same colorschema to paint my own team. Very Happy

Traveller

Indigo - Dec 11, 2003 - 01:24 AM
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thought today would never arrive...
any idea when he'll post it?

joker_BBBL - Dec 11, 2003 - 01:53 AM
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its today the day
who won Smile

Xtreme - Dec 11, 2003 - 01:57 AM
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Indigo wrote:

thought today would never arrive...
any idea when he'll post it?

Not soon enough for the impatient mob I'm sure.
Who won? Wink

Traveller - Dec 11, 2003 - 02:27 AM
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i´m a quite patient person... i just checking every 5 minutes ! Rolling Eyes

haha, and i knew, there are person online, too, which will jump on this post now , too. Laughing

Traveller

Indigo - Dec 11, 2003 - 02:59 AM
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I doubt Andy is out of bed yet Wink

Melifaxis - Dec 11, 2003 - 05:25 AM
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He is indeed awake, and he posted the winner in a new thread!

TiMuN - Dec 11, 2003 - 10:35 AM
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Sorry guys .. but ... is there some url to see the whole team, or mini by mini anywhere?

Melifaxis - Dec 11, 2003 - 12:29 PM
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You can see several at the WWW link under my post. Team photos will be added after the last few arrive in the mail.

Melifaxis - Dec 22, 2003 - 05:06 PM
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The Vampire Lord arrived safe and sound today and all I can say is Shocked

Traveller - Dec 23, 2003 - 01:28 AM
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Hm,because i didnt win THIS team, i bought me my own vampire team. Rolling Eyes

Its online at my BB archives. Unpainted !. Damm, i still need vampire #3. Yesterday i bought a bosterpack to get this mini... at home i saw, no #3, just another #1 Sad

Both minis are quite similiar.

BTW... the female Thrall, i painted for NAF, got some comments at CoolMiniOr Not. Smile

http://www.coolminiornot.com/?id=35473

Traveller

Old_Man_Monkey - Dec 23, 2003 - 04:55 AM
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Super pics of a truly great paint job, Traveller! Well done!

-OMM

Melifaxis - Dec 30, 2003 - 02:52 PM
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Still 4 more in the mail...Holiday mail should be done now, so maybe they'll be there when I get home...

Melifaxis - Jan 04, 2004 - 05:30 PM
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Still not here. Sad

Maybe this week...

Melifaxis - Jan 21, 2004 - 08:48 AM
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It took me over a month of doing everything short of getting on my knees and....nevermind, but last night SkinkFury and I have negotiated a transfer of a large sum of cash and 2e miniatures in exchange for ownership of the 2003 NAF Legacy Team.

I think even snots would have had a hard time keeping up with me on this one. I fell in love with this team as it came together and am quite happy that I was able to negotiate the deal. Vampire

Oh yeah!!! Mr. Green

Traveller - Jan 21, 2004 - 09:42 AM
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At last the team is in good hands... and maybe we will see a all together pict of the whole team.

About selling the team... must be quite a sum, i dont think, if ever, i would sell a team like that cheap Rolling Eyes

... hm, still it feels somehow not right for me, to " make money " with this team. I knew it up to everybody... the winner and the seller, but still... maybe i´m the only one with this " feeling " Please, no offence given, Melifaxis and skinfury. Finaly its your deal. If not you, maybe Galak would has tried sometime later Mr. Green

Traveller

Melifaxis - Jan 21, 2004 - 10:50 AM
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You will indeed see pictures. Grasshopper is bringing his digital camera over this weekend (which is far better than mine). I also got some good advice from Tim on taking digital pics. All the ones I had taken so far were so bad that I couldn't post them in good conscience.

I don't think SkinkFury would have sold it if we hadn't been good friends for over ten years and I hadn't begged him to do so.

No offense taken. I did worry about that sentiment, and hope no one is too offended by my purchasing the team. The project was a labor of love (more so as each mini came in), and the opportunity was too good to pass up.

Torpor - Jan 21, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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Did all of the team make it over there yet? (Last I remember there were 4 minis still in the post.) Well, congratulations Mel, for getting the team in the end.

Melifaxis - Jan 21, 2004 - 12:34 PM
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Nope, still waiting on 4. At least it gives me something to look forward to in the mail each day.

Thanks! Very Happy

BlanchPrez - Jan 21, 2004 - 01:35 PM
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My initial reaction was the same as Trav, but then I remembered that you and Skink are good friends. It's almost the same. Smile

Besides, it's not like the team was sold over eBay. THAT would have really pissed me off, I think.

Chris

Djengis_kahn - Jan 24, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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I also don't like the idea of making money/mini's with the team..

but I didn't make part of this team.

Tim - Jan 25, 2004 - 08:55 AM
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Selling this team gives me a bit strange feeling as well. This case is still acceptable as Mel participated in the painting as well, but it might offer an excuse for the next team popping up on EBay ...

For coming Legacy teams, how about we agree on the following:

If the team ever has to be sold, regardless of the reason, all members that participated in the team have to be contacted and are allowed to reply with one bid for the team within 14 days. The team is sold to the member with the highest bid only. It's not allowed to sell the team to other people than those who participated.

Melifaxis - Jan 25, 2004 - 09:00 AM
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I think that's a pretty good rule, but everyone would have to agree up front. After the choice for the 2004 team is finalized we can pose the question to those who want to participate.

longfang - Jan 26, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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Hmmm !

Glad I haven't bothered with any legacy teams if this goes on. I think some ground rules need to be laid down for the future. If I am to donate time and effort in producing a fig, I do not want to see it sold.
If you really didn't want this team why accept it, why not put it in for a redraw and let someone who would be more grateful own it.You suck Evil or Very Mad

If my fig was in that team I would be demanding that it should be returned to me.
I'll be watching the 2004 team thread closely before committing to painting a fig.

Melifaxis - Jan 26, 2004 - 01:23 PM
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A bit harsh if you ask me. If someone wins a prize in a contest, then it is theirs to do with as they wish unless they have made some prior agreement.

longfang - Jan 26, 2004 - 01:54 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

A bit harsh if you ask me. If someone wins a prize in a contest, then it is theirs to do with as they wish unless they have made some prior agreement.

Would you not feel privaliged to own a part of what will become "BloodBowl History". How ungratefull to not want to keep it. If I had painted a fig for this I would feel very disappointed that the team was sold by someone who obviously cared little about winning it and I would be asking for it back. I would then randomly draw a name from the remaining contributors and give the fig to them. If I won a team like this, the only way I'd part with it would be to donate it to Galak's "BloodBowl Museum". I would not want to see it sold so freely without the consent of all the contributors. I feel that you've both done wrong and some prior agreement maybe is required.

Melifaxis - Jan 26, 2004 - 03:28 PM
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Disagreeing is fine, you have a right to your own opinion. Telling people they suck because you have a different opinion really isn't called for, not that I'm very worried about it.

longfang - Jan 26, 2004 - 03:31 PM
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Melifaxis wrote:

not that I'm very worried about it.

as you've shown by your actions.

Xtreme - Jan 26, 2004 - 09:06 PM
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Mel didn't have to tell us he bought the team at all and we would have been none the wiser. I hope this doesn't put any sour mark on the legacy teams, I don't think it is something that you can really control once the team is in someones posesion it is theirs to do with what they like wither we agree with what is done or not.

Traveller - Jan 27, 2004 - 01:25 AM
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I hope this doesn't put any sour mark on the legacy teams

Well, i did in my case. First: i dont have much time left for Legacy minis this year... but, second: I will not give away more minis without a agreement with all painter, taking part on a legacy team, not selling or exchanging them for other minis. Sorry, but thats not the way i like to give away my minis for.

About

Quote:

Mel didn't have to tell us he bought the team at all and we would have been none the wiser.

Someone would have spot the team or ask for the team sometimes anyway ( i would... for a pict Wink

) And hidding the team is..., well, what use for a team in this case ?

If i remember right, SkinkFury never posted something about the whole story here, or ? Maybe he can explain his position... to be fair to him, we have to hear his reason, too. Or it was just the Retoric skill of Mel ? Wink

BTW... I think, Tim´s suggestion isnt bad, but i like the redraw-idea of Longfang better.

Traveller

Mordredd - Jan 27, 2004 - 04:13 AM
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I find some of the views expressed recently to be a little childish, particularly Longfang's. It is a little like demanding that a lottery winner return their winnings (so a new winner can be drawn from those who played) after the winner has announce their intention to give the money to friends/family/charity.

I did not take part in the 2003 team, but do plan to contribute in 2004. As far as I'm concerned it is the taking part that's fun. The eventual winner can dispose of the team in any fashion they like. They can even repaint it if they want.

Maybe the team should have a buy back clause like an Oscar? If the owner wants to sell the team they must first give the NAF the chance to buy it for $1.

Tim - Jan 27, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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Mordredd wrote:

The eventual winner can dispose of the team in any fashion they like. They can even repaint it if they want.

Legally ... yes. Ethically, NO.

Come on, we are a community and these are not governed by law, but by ethics. If a friend borrows a small amount of cash from you, would you charge him an interest? Rolling Eyes

If the idea of the legacy teams comes down to a pure lottery - donate a figure to get a chance to win them all - i'll drop out. To me the idea is to create something special and unique and have one lucky contributor own it.

Maybe we should agree that the team is still owned by all the participating painters and we redraw the person who may physically have it yearly?

Deathwing - Jan 27, 2004 - 05:41 AM
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Hmmm...
I suppose it is indeed skinkfury's right to do whatever he likes with the team, but it doesn't sit well with me either that something I put effort into went for profit in a private deal either. (If it were to be sold then maybe a Dutch auction between contributors or something would have been a more acceptable way?).
So I'm not going to condemn what happened, but I will think long and hard about contributing in future. It has soured it a little for me. Just my personal thoughts/reactions.

Old_Man_Monkey - Jan 27, 2004 - 05:44 AM
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Hmm, interesting discussion... I see the points of both sides and clearly there are compelling reasons for having a set of guidelines/rules for the named legacy teams. I trust we can put the 2003 team behind us soon - what's done is done and more pointing of fingers will not change it.

Any group of coaches can get together and decide to paint a team with one painter winning the finished team in a drawing; witness the NBA's plans for a team this year. As a NAF officer, my interest is in maintaining the uniqueness, value, and interest in the NAF legacy teams.

If the NAF were to purchase the figures for distribution and then select the painters at random, would this be workable, and would it then give the NAF standing to impose some rules regarding the team? Everything from how many figures to deadlines to the reselling of the team could be addressed with the selected group before the legacy team painting would begin... I think when coaches are asked to submit a mini they've purchased there is potential disagreements that are difficult to resolve with no guidelines in place.

Another thought... I believe I speak for John and Anthony when I say that the NAF officers are committed to a NAF mission that supports all aspects of the game of Blood Bowl, not just tournament play and rankings (as some might think). Since the NAF is one of the few Blood Bowl organizations that generates funds, I would support the NAF funding of the TBB Legacy teams and perhaps other groups. So long as there were guidlines put in place by each group which addressed the questions raised in this thread and other places, I think this would be a great way for the NAF to use the membership's funds to help grow the game.

Just my thoughts...

-OMM

Melifaxis - Jan 27, 2004 - 06:07 AM
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Longfang wrote:

Melifaxis wrote:

not that I'm very worried about it.

as you've shown by your actions.

What I am not worried about is the "You suck" you so eloquently placed in your initial posting. In addition, by quoting a portion of a sentence out of context you can twist the meaning of my remarks to suit your needs. This second action concerns me more, but again not very much.

joker_BBBL - Jan 27, 2004 - 06:44 AM
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whooooo

ok, skinkfury won the team, he can make what he want of it, but i would never see a free job i do on ebay, i prefer sell them by myself and get the money

i know its not the case for this one, but i totally agree with longfang, i paint it for free and fun of the project

ps sorry for my english

howlinggriffon - Jan 27, 2004 - 07:23 AM
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I've no problem with the sale of the 2003 team but, then again, I'm new to all this so it wouldn't affect me the way it would for Deathwing and the others that actually submitted a figure.

I think Old Man Monkey has the right idea - NAF should purchase the figues and select the painters at random. Maybe other NAF members could purchase and supply their own painted miniaturers of support staff for the team and get some kind of prize for the best effort - obviously something other than the miniatures (Free membership renewal for a year?)

Personally, I'd like to see the whole team being shown at NAF sponsored events and maybe a webpage dedicated to the team, each painter being able to add his or her comments on the model for inclusion with the picture of the minaiture. This way the contributing artists would be able to get public acclaim for the models they spend so much time and effort on.

Maybe I'm just the kind of guy that would prefer the Rembrandt to be shown in art galleries than in a private collection...

Cheers all...

Griffon Lord
www.howlinggriffon.co.uk

Torpor - Jan 27, 2004 - 09:02 AM
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HowlingGriffon wrote:

Quote:

I think Old Man Monkey has the right idea - NAF should purchase the figu[r]es and select the painters at random. Maybe other NAF members could purchase and supply their own painted miniaturers of support staff for the team and get some kind of prize for the best effort

This team had a lottery for the right to paint a 'free' miniature and the rest of the individuals who participated provided their own. Some of those who were given miniatures did not, in the end, submit them for the team (see page 1 of the thread for list of who participated, who got what and what was submitted). I provided my own bits for the markers without expecting anything other than a chance to win the team. I doubt that anyone else who provided their own miniatures expected any more than I did. Though a nice idea, I think that it would detract from the camaraderie of the Legacy Team concept to have competitions within competitions (an extra chance for some people to get things that are not open to others). My painting though servicable isn't Golden or even Silver Demon winning, but as long as my entry is welcome I will be happy to provide one.

Cheers
Torpor

Old_Man_Monkey - Jan 27, 2004 - 09:12 AM
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Ah, thank you Torpor, I couldn't recall how the painters for the team were selected and divided among those who got minis for free and those who provided their own. In my mind, this would also serve, the only potential problem being if a very large number of people wanted to paint.

Still as has been noted earlier, a number of people end up dropping out - I still like the idea of NAF providing then the basic team and orchaestrating the guidelines for how the team is given out and some rules about reselling the team.

Cheers right back!
-OMM

Torpor - Jan 27, 2004 - 09:43 AM
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Has there been any progress on the photography front?
If so, is there a link to where the pictures are?

Torpor

Melifaxis - Jan 27, 2004 - 10:33 AM
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Grasshopper forgot his camera, but a guy in my league showed me how to throw mine into macro mode per Tim's advice. So they (the photos) are looking much better than before. I've taken photos of most of them and should have them posted and distributed in the next few days. Any group shots will be short a few mini's, but I can always add them in and redo the group shots later.

Tojurub - Jan 27, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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Just to give my 2 pence worth regarding the selling/not-selling the Legacy team.

I agree that is basically impossible to completely control what a person is doing with the team. I also agree that certain guidelines have to be set up prior to people commiting on painting.

I had a weird idea which is half way between selling the team and not making profit of it (if something like that exists). I think the team is should be allowed to change ownership within the people who participated (a list of all "team members" aka painters for each year should be kept on this webpage). If somebody decides to give up the team he first must notify the NAF, then the highest bidder of the other painters can submit their bid within a certain time frame. The highest bidder must pay the amount to the NAF and the NAF in return gives a 50% share to the owner, but never more than the value of an unpainted basic team!

As I said....it's a weird idea, but maybe not

[edit] That way the NAF gets some kind of reimbursement for donating the figures each year, but the winner can't make much money out of the team....the current owner should always be posted on the webpage and he has to bring the team (not necessarily to play, but to show) to every NAF sponsored tournament he/she attents.

Grasshopper - Jan 27, 2004 - 01:30 PM
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HOLY CRAP!!! This is retarded... I just spent more time gong back and forth through this thread than I did painting my vamp!

The best comparison I heard was the reference to the lottery winner who decides to give his winnings away... seems fitting since this was a lottery and SF can do what he wants with what he won. It's not a library book, or for lack of another award "The Stanley Cup" where it gets passed around to everyone who took part in it. That in itself would be silly given the number of times the team would have to be mailed. And I'm not just saying this because I'm in the same league as Mel and SF, If Galak won and ended up trading or selling it to Trav... SO WHAT? SF won it in a fair draw done by Andy, it's his team, his property now, his call. We all knew that after our fig was painted and mailed off that, short of pics and the luck of the draw, we'd most likely never see it again.

On the matter of telling people they suck?.. If you didn't even participate in the team, then shut yer pie hole*. You're out nothing anyways and shouldn't be griping.
*No disrespect intended, that's just how I talk*

And a clause saying that the winner has to bring it to every NAF thing they attend, come on now. That's like telling me to bring a Basketball to a hockey game. If it's not going to be played, you shouldn't be made to bring it.

On a happier note, The figs that are in look great, Trav your thrall gave me wood. The counters looked FAN-FREAKIN-TASTIC, and since I can't possibly remember everything else, lemme just say wow. They are in a place will they will be revered and played if that eases anyones miscontent. So now if we're all done maybe we can drop all the garbage and just get on with the '04 theme votes, and maybe see if Squig's finished his Lizardman team? Smile

But that's just my 2 cents.

P.S. Mel... you suck. Vampire

Tim - Jan 28, 2004 - 06:36 AM
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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:

Hmm ... i don't think the NAF would have to provide the minis on a regular basis. It depends. Getting the vampires from Andy was nice because it was a prerelease. But looking at the TBB Slannesh team, the mini selection and modification was part of the fun, actually there are only 2 or 3 Blood Bowl minis in the team, the rest is different stuff. Telling the NAF i need an 1992 Archive Slannesh Chaos Warrior ... well, hardly possible. I got it on EBay for 3 Euros, so no big deal as well.

Old_Man_Monkey - Jan 28, 2004 - 12:53 PM
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Well then, Tim, as one of the preeminent painters in the community, let me ask you directly: would you like to see quidelines established for the legacy teams going forward that cover reselling the team?

Melifaxis - Jan 28, 2004 - 01:56 PM
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Tim wrote:

For coming Legacy teams, how about we agree on the following:

If the team ever has to be sold, regardless of the reason, all members that participated in the team have to be contacted and are allowed to reply with one bid for the team within 14 days. The team is sold to the member with the highest bid only. It's not allowed to sell the team to other people than those who participated.

Here was Tim's initial idea, although he may have additional thoughts to add to it now.

BlanchPrez - Jan 28, 2004 - 02:05 PM
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Wow... this discusion blew up in the last few days.

Here's my take on things. Having done a Legacy Team twice now (one still waiting for the drawing), I can say the we contribuitors put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears into the mini's we contribute. We, as someone said, are trying not to just create a team, but something unique. As such, we all form emotional attachments to our figures, which makes it difficult enough to mail off to someone knowing that we might never see it again. So, when someone says they want to sell the team, it's insulting to us because it says that this person wasn't as emotionally attached as we were, and that all the work we put into this team didn't matter one wit to this person.

Now, in this specific case, I don't think this was the case with SkinkFury. He and Mel are good friends, and see each other on a regular basis. As Mel staited, he begged Skink to sell him the team, and eventually Skink relented. So, two things happened here. The team stayed within the group, and went to someone that cared about the team. Does this mean Skink doesn't care about the team? No, absoloutly not. I think he does, just not as much as Mel does (either that, or Mel is just really annoying, and Skink sold it just to shut him up. Wink

). Am I okay with Mel getting the team? Yes and no. Yes because I know that he'll take good care of the team and care about it the same way I would. No because it makes the point of it being a lottery drawing moot. Why bother, why not just have everyone submit a mini, and then have everyone bid on the whole team, highest bid gets the team? (Please note that I am not mad at either Mel or Skink, just stating my feelings here).

One thing we all need to remember is that all of this is based on emotions, not facts. To the idea that this is the same as someone winning the lottery and giving the money away, I say it's not the same. We dont form emotional attachments to money (well, I don't, anyway). This would be like someone selling their olympic gold medal. It's not about the money, it's about the sentiment that went into making this team.

I think that if someone wants to sell the team, they shouldn't join in the first place. But, if someone, for whatever reason, feels the need to sell the team, I agree with Tim, people that contribuited should have first right of refusal, and should be the only people it is sold to.

My $.02

Chris

Tojurub - Jan 28, 2004 - 02:50 PM
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Amen!

Deathwing - Jan 28, 2004 - 06:49 PM
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BlanchPrez wrote:

One thing we all need to remember is that all of this is based on emotions, not facts. To the idea that this is the same as someone winning the lottery and giving the money away, I say it's not the same. We dont form emotional attachments to money (well, I don't, anyway). This would be like someone selling their olympic gold medal. It's not about the money, it's about the sentiment that went into making this team.

I think that if someone wants to sell the team, they shouldn't join in the first place. But, if someone, for whatever reason, feels the need to sell the team, I agree with Tim, people that contribuited should have first right of refusal, and should be the only people it is sold to.

My $.02

Chris

Chris, excellent post, pretty much with you especially the summary above.

Tim - Jan 29, 2004 - 04:44 AM
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Chris:

100% ack. You expressed my feelings better than i could have done. Thanks!

OMM:

I think setting some basic rules around this issue would be good. I always thought that we could do without, ethics would be sufficient, but opinions like "these are his minis, he can de what he wants, even repaint" prove to me that this is not the case.

That means we need protection from ppl who see it as a lottery. We have to rule out "hey, i enter a 4 Euro miniature and can get a 50 Euro team back" attitude. Maybe the rule i presented (auctioning within the group) is the wrong one, because it still allows business to be made. on the other hand, if we strictly rule out making profit within the group the chances are higher that some weasel will list the team on Ebay. The best thing is that the team would never be sold at all, but i don't think we can outrule that because things happen (unemployment, giving up the hobby, ec.). So the auction would at least make sure that the team ends up in the hands of the guy who is willing to pay most and is most likely not to give the team away again.

Mordredd - Jan 29, 2004 - 04:57 AM
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I think the Olympic gold analogy is a poorer one than the lottery one. In fact I think it is totally inaccurate. The only people who have Olympic golds won them by being the best in the world, not by putting in a bit of money and a lot of effort and then being the lucky one drawn out of a hat. The Olympic gold represents an outstanding achievement.

I can understand the emotional attachments argument, and sympathise with it, but I find it very unlikely that the team could end up being sold to someone who is not a big BB fan. I think that only someone who truly valued the NAF legacy team for what it is would stump up any money for it. Just as long as it is with someone who treasures it that's ok with me.

Mordredd - Jan 29, 2004 - 05:10 AM
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Ethics: moral philosophy or a set of moral principles.

Moral: accepted rules or standards of behaviour, the distinction between right and wrong.

The idea that ethics would suffice was at best naive as what people consider acceptable varies so widely, and there is no widely established code of conduct for the legacy team concept. If you want to impose restrictions above those imposed by law then these need to be made in advance and with the consent and knowledge of all participants.

Quote:

"hey, i enter a 4 Euro miniature and can get a 50 Euro team back"

I seriously doubt anyone had that attitude.

Tim - Jan 29, 2004 - 05:56 AM
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SkinkFury - Jan 29, 2004 - 01:43 PM
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Ethics? You have got to be kidding me Rolling Eyes

I called The Louvre, but they weren't interested in the team so I just sold it for some quick cash to buy a bottle of booze and a crack pipe. Shocked

Olympic Medal...Oscar Laughing

So the effort we put in on our minis is on par with an Olympic athlete that trains for life? If you really believe that, get over yourself! Wink

I respect the skill and care you took in crafting your contributions, but I knew the team meant a lot more to Melifaxis than it did to me, which is why I acquiesced. The trade was made in the name of friendship. It's that simple. Had anyone else approached me besides Grasshopper or Melifaxis, whom I have both known for 12+ years (and took part in the team), I would have declined.

The team was never on eBay so please don???t react like it was. I thought the whole point of this thing was supposed to be F-U-N? If you would like to place guidelines for future teams - by all means do so ??? just do it in advance. Depending on the nature of the guidelines people will choose to participate or not participate.

p.s. Yes, Mel is really annoying BP Very Happy

BlanchPrez - Jan 29, 2004 - 03:34 PM
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Okay, maybe the Olympic medel was a poor analagy. I was just trying to come up with something that held more sentimental value than money, as I didn't like the lottery analagy.

BTW, Skink, as I have already said, I have no problem with you giving the team to Mel for the exact reasons you stated before (long friendship, if it had been anyone else, you would have refused, etc.).

Chris

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 06:12 AM
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A few Plazmaboy pics are now up on the site...more will follow of the other mini's tonight/tomorrow and by Monday you should be able to see everything...sorry this is taking so long. Camera issues are behind me now though Smile

Fair enough Chris, it is somewhere in between, which I think is the distinction that really needs to be made. We don't have to define it exactly. Very Happy

Ok, I guess I need to go to work now Sad

Tojurub - Jan 30, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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The Plazmaboy looks really cool....what miniature did you use to convert it?

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:42 AM
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Thanks

It's a 40K archive "Bad Doc", archive "Giant's Ale Barrel", some greenstuff and the arm of a plastic orc thrower. I tried to sculpt a whole arm, but it came out pretty poorly so I just snipped the plastic arm that was closest to the angle I needed and used a little greenstuff to supplement it.

Tojurub - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:47 AM
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where did you get the Giant's Ale Barrel....meaning how do I find it on the online store.....I'm looking for barrels for my dwarf dugout Very Happy

Grasshopper - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:50 AM
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HOLY CRAP!! Nice job, Mel. You're painting defintely improved along with the Pic taking. I like the dungeon bowl backdrop.

I beleive the Barrel was just an Archive bit from the GW online store.

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:52 AM
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It's a great barrel. I bought several different sizes and was shocked that this was the "Giant's" as it's really what I would call a dwarf sized barrel. All the other ones I got were too small IMHO.

020904605 <--Part number

http://ussearch.games-workshop.com/search/search.asp?Restriction=ale+and+barrel&SearchButton=1&DisplayImages=1

Grasshopper - Jan 30, 2004 - 11:57 AM
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Melifaxis wrote:

Have you seen the Giant?... That's just his hip flask. Mr. Green

And that should be perfect for Dwarves... it's got BUGMANS right in the label.

Melifaxis - Jan 30, 2004 - 02:08 PM
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I greenstuffed in the XXX and tried to scracth in Amber...blood...get it? Vampire

Unfortunately, that didn't come out very well and I had to fill it back in and paint on the word Amber. Should I have used a Dremel or something?

AnthonyTBBF - Jan 30, 2004 - 02:23 PM
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I am a bit disappointed we weren't informed of the trade before it happened, but in the end I don't mind because I know it went to a good place.

In the future though, I don't want want my work sold without my permission. If future painting projects like this are going to have the option of being sold then I don't want to participate.

GalakStarscraper - Jan 30, 2004 - 02:38 PM
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I'm glad Mel has the team ... I really am. I won't be participating in any future Legacy teams. Sorry ... if years had past then I could understand (I own the first Legacy team that Milo Sharp won but I purchased it years after the lottery) ... but for it to trade hands so quickly sours the whole idea to me of the equal odds of winning the team.

I hope the next one is more laid out for the others sake ... I won't be joining. Like the others ... I think my assistant coaches could have helped me pay for my Black Widows I want to order from Phigs.

Again ... Mel ... I'm glad they have a good home. Congrats.

Galak

Tackledummy - Jan 31, 2004 - 02:20 AM
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Got no problems with the selling of the team myself. My belief is, as long as the team stays together and is never stripped down and repainted them sell it as many times as you like. I hope when we are all dead and gone this team is still floating around somewhere, handed down from one of us to our great, great, great, great, great...um...you get the idea...grandson/daughter. Or maybe owned by someone who was not even born or very young when this team was made. I think it just creates more value for the product, generates a somewhat material pride in owning it as well as just the emotional pride. Something like a rare baseball card. Anyway, I'll be contributing to the next team no matter what the rules. As long as I've got a picture of the mini I painted I need nothing else. I don't expect to see any mini I contribute ever again and hence have no emotional attachment to it once it leaves my hands. I also have no problems shelling out the bling bling to contribute as the fun of building and painting the mini then seeing the team come together is more than enough compensation for me.

Anyways, been talking too much...will stop now.

Melifaxis - Jan 31, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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More pics up...more to follow

Torpor - Jan 31, 2004 - 01:41 PM
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Thank you for the photos. Looking forward to seeing the whole team together. Very Happy

-Torpor

Melifaxis - Feb 01, 2004 - 10:31 PM
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Reshot the 4 minis that looked kind of blurry from the last photoshooot I did. Downloading the new ones right now and will add them, and the group shots to the website. Very Happy

EDIT:
Ok, they are up Vampire

EDITED AGAIN:

I just wanted to say a quick thank you to everyone that participated in the team. There's certainly a lot of talent out there! It was a lot of fun to work on the project and I'm very fortunate to have ended up with them. I certainly didn't set out to sour the Legacy experience for anyone by buying the team from the winner. Had I known it was taboo I would not have done so.

I hope you enjoyed taking part in the project overall and enjoy the pictures of the team. If you want additional pics of your contribution (different angles or whatnot), just send me a PM and I'll be happy to take some more photos.

Looking forward to the next team Very Happy

Grasshopper - Feb 03, 2004 - 11:11 AM
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Mutha F'n Brilliant!!!! And I gotta say... that's the perfect backdrop for these guys (nevermind that it makes my base look like it fits! Mr. Green

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Guys... WE ROCK ! ! ! Torp I gotta say again... I really dig the counters. Vampire

Djengis_kahn - Feb 06, 2004 - 09:25 AM
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WOOOOOOW

great team !! Worship

nice work people !!

but what is that "plasmaboy" doing in the team?? Neutral

Melifaxis - Feb 06, 2004 - 09:27 AM
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Bleeding, supplying blood, and whatnot Very Happy

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 06, 2004 - 01:00 PM
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What a cool looking team, great work everyone!

Melifaxis - Feb 12, 2004 - 12:51 PM
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Could a mod please unsticky this thread in favor of the new "2004 NAF Legacy Team" thread?

Thanks Very Happy

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 12, 2004 - 01:01 PM
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Done.

Melifaxis - May 21, 2004 - 10:03 AM
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Another arrival! Count Luthor has joined up with the rest of NAFsferatu! Pictures will be added this weekend Very Happy

Shadewe - Sep 05, 2004 - 05:43 PM
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I am sorry about the legacy team...things became bad at my end. Had to miss majority of the league that was started here and ultimatly failed too.