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skummy - Feb 21, 2003 - 11:25 AM
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The worst one I've yet seen is having your frenzy player run back and forth so that you blitz your opponent on your last point of movement. This keeps you from having to make a second block at disadvantage.

Can anyone else top this with legal beardiness?

Apedog - Feb 21, 2003 - 12:05 PM
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In a word 'no'. I've seen some bad things in my time but I think that takes the biscuit.

The closest I come is outright cheating in our old 2ed league, albeit accidentally by the players involved. It involved a scam whereby they didn't pay their players and thought they could get away with this because they misinterpreted the rules, pretty beardy even so.

Dave - Feb 21, 2003 - 12:13 PM
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Allowing a Star Player (Lucky Luke in this case) to eearn SPP's and bugger about it when comments come in Evil or Very Mad

Khankill - Feb 21, 2003 - 12:18 PM
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skummy wrote:

The fact that this is totally legal within the rules has it way atop anything I have seen. Although I have seen many the missed comma or period cause some pretty beardy stuff.

fe2mike - Feb 21, 2003 - 12:59 PM
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Although not nearly as bad, last night I had a beastman dodge away from me in order to blitz the same guy to get the +1 ST for horns Evil or Very Mad

AnthonyTBBF - Feb 21, 2003 - 01:37 PM
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Although not nearly as bad, last night I had a beastman dodge away from me in order to blitz the same guy to get the +1 ST for horns

What's so bad about that? There is a risk involved in that play. The other one is just pure cheese.

Pyrius - Feb 21, 2003 - 01:50 PM
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skummy wrote:

Can anyone else top this with legal beardiness?

I guess I can...

Anyone ever heard of a Dwarf headcoach who did not want to use Thick Skull , because he wants to concede the game without getting a penalty

I have...

spindex - Feb 21, 2003 - 03:11 PM
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There are quite a few of frenzy playrs where I play at and I've never heard of this being a trouble. Most coaches would rather you don't hit there player a second time.
spindex Shocked

Apedog - Feb 21, 2003 - 04:34 PM
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Sometimes a push can force the frenzying player into an unfavorable block where he pushes away from his own guards and/or into his opponents.

Marcus - Feb 22, 2003 - 04:26 AM
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Yeah, it's beardy as all hell, and I have to admit I've done it Embarassed

There's no problem with the beastman bit tho, he makes the dodge to get a runup, makes sense to me. Fits flavour and maintains a risk:reward aspect, as Anthony mentioned.

Poul_Piepgrass - Feb 22, 2003 - 04:49 AM
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As a norse player i have to admit that i have used it as well Embarassed

Poul

Dave - Feb 22, 2003 - 05:36 AM
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As a norse player I admit that I don't.

That's just too much out of Norse - Style.

Thadrin - Feb 23, 2003 - 02:33 AM
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I would never do a deliberate run around to avoid teh second frenzy, and anyone who does it against me (that I notice) I will avoid playing again.
Plan the damn blocks better if you didn't want to frenzy into disadvantage.

As said, no probs with the beastman thing though. I'd do it.

Grumbledook - Feb 23, 2003 - 04:54 AM
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Max did it against me at the dutch open, I really couldn't care less.

Mestari - Feb 23, 2003 - 11:53 AM
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I'd be really irritated if someone used that against me. It's the very reason I think that not forcing the frenzying player to GFI to get that extra block is a bad rule. If he would have to gfi twice in order to avoid that extra block, then there'd at least be the risk of failing. The same as with the beastman dodging to get a blitz with horns. No problem as it carries a risk.

Darkson - Feb 23, 2003 - 07:08 PM
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Hadn't thought of that one. Thanks Guys. Twisted Evil

Nah, not really. If I was that worried about the 2nd block I probably wouldn't throw the first.

Sputnik - Feb 24, 2003 - 03:12 AM
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Strange enough!
Shocked

I think the worst thing that can happen when getting blocked is that your guy gets blocked to death! Now, if the opponent's player has frenzy it's his advantage to get a second block if he only pushes my player. If he already knocks my player over with the first block I won't like it anyway. Crying or Very sad

However, if he waives his second block with tactics like this and moreover my player remains standing why should I complain?? Wink

If I can avoid being pushed into the crowd well done!

If I put up a formation to get him into trouble with his second block in case he doesn't knock me over and he avoids it by declaring his biltz but running to his dugout for refreshment drinks he seems to know enough about his frenzy guy. Laughing

If you give your wild animal piling on in order to get him to the ground not to have to block next turn do people complain about not getting a free chance for a turnover or about a big guy with piling on smacking your players?? Shocked

I think it's beardy for an opponent to share my dice during the match and then trying to take them home because I may not realize immediatly....and only because you can't buy blocking dice!! Evil or Very Mad

Sputnik

Max_Horseman - Feb 24, 2003 - 04:14 AM
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Yeah, I do it now and again - and obviously against Grumbledook! I have never ever considered it beardy or anything else. To do it you are giving up the rest of your potential move after the hit, the chance of a second block, and it can only be done on a blitz move as well. It is just a mechanic with disadvantages like Sputnik has mentioned.

Max Cool

Lucy - Feb 24, 2003 - 05:00 AM
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He Max, wasn't moving other peoples fig's and scorecounters pretty beardy. A definite must remember tactic when I'll be playing Sputnik in the final next week. Laughing

Not letting me smoke during a game is pretty beardy to, as well as playing Thunderstruck or Any other sickening metal during a game Very Happy

Lucy

Sputnik - Feb 24, 2003 - 05:32 AM
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Lucy, just to let you know I won't leave the table at all costs during the match. Laughing

Especially not against Max should it happen we play again against each other. Laughing

And for insurance I will have a digital camera with me and make a snap shot before leaving. It will surely take a while to get settled down again for I am not the fastest but I won't make it that easy for my opponents this time. Laughing

I also tried out multiple score markers but I won't tell you the trick now. Wink

But what worries me most is the distraction Woody might cause with his crusade to save blood bowl. I fear the worst already and it's still one week to go.... Laughing

Sputnik

P.S.: S.B.B.L.S.W.

Redfang - Feb 24, 2003 - 05:38 AM
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Wow, I never felt the need to try that one with one of my slayers.
If ever I was afraid of a 2nd block I'd either use a different player for the Blitz, use a re-roll on the 3rd block or only notice that the second block is a problem after making the first block (guess which happens most often)...

That being said, I don't think I would make any trouble about this tactic being used against me at all. I think it's legit, and not too beardy either. (Although it does look stupid)

R

Deathwing - Feb 24, 2003 - 05:51 AM
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Sputnik wrote:

But what worries me most is the distraction Woody might cause with his crusade to save blood bowl. I fear the worst already and it's still one week to go.... Laughing

Sputnik

P.S.: S.B.B.L.S.W.

Typo there mate, you missed out the 'D'. Very Happy

If this had been TBB I could have edited it for you... Wink

I wouldn't worry mate, you won't hear the barracking from the bottom tables... Razz

Sputnik - Feb 24, 2003 - 05:56 AM
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Typo there mate, you missed out the 'D'. If this had been TBB I could have edited it for you...

Oh, I guess you rather WOULD have edited it for me! Wink

Sputnik

Thadrin - Feb 24, 2003 - 06:00 AM
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OK...This has been bugging me for a couple of weeks now. What on EARTH does the DLSW stand for? The best I can come up with is Deathwing Loves Secret Weapons (a few Gobbo secret weapons in the BB line up?).
I'm sure all you other perverts can come up with better than that though...

Sputnik - Feb 24, 2003 - 06:04 AM
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Deathwing Loves Secret Weapons

I really fear the worst now...

Sputnik

Max_Horseman - Feb 24, 2003 - 06:49 AM
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You'll be telling me scoring lots of TD's is beardy next!

S.B.B! D.L.S.W!

Max Cool

Indigo - Feb 24, 2003 - 07:42 AM
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I think the crime of people "forgetting" to roll for ageing is pretty bad, then just lying outright when confronted. For me though, the biscuit was taken by the guy who I beat 3-0 with 3-0 CAS for me - not one of his players earned a SPP other than the MVP, yet he then claims FOUR players were elgible for skill rolls after the match!!

Apparently he "forgot" to roll for them - how many people forget skill rolls, it's one of the highlights of the game?!?

Still, I knew we were restarting the league the following week so I let it go Wink

Redfang - Feb 24, 2003 - 08:38 AM
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I forgot a skill-roll once,

I found out I had a 18 SPP Dwarf Blitzer (6 TDs) with only one increase while I was busy removing him from my team roster as a casualty... Crying or Very sad

skummy - Feb 24, 2003 - 08:51 AM
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Apparently he "forgot" to roll for them - how many people forget skill rolls, it's one of the highlights of the game?!?

I forgot to record a skill roll very recently, but it was with a team that participated in the BB championship game, so everyone got an MVP. I picked up about 5 skills in the game, and got so distracted by my lineman aging on his first roll (doubles) that I forgot to note that my blitzer took guard.

Squiggoth - Feb 25, 2003 - 03:44 AM
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A few weeks ago I totally trashed a Dwarf Team while one of my Line-Orcs was standing next to the Dwarf's end zone with the ball. The Dwarfs needed at least 3 turns to reach my ball carrier (which meant it was pretty save for my Line-Orc) and his 7 surviving stunties were systematically knocked out by my 10 players, one by one... I scored in the final turn.
Isn't that really cheesy? Twisted Evil

Marcus - Feb 25, 2003 - 08:25 AM
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S.B.B! D.L.S.W!

Grotemuis - Feb 25, 2003 - 08:52 AM
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I think all these s.b.b! D. L. S W. Is very depressing. I am sure with all them english attending, no auslander will take the title.

I hope he wins though, just to see all those faces when a german ascends the stage as champion

Deathwing - Feb 25, 2003 - 09:32 AM
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Grotemuis wrote:

Hey! It's D.L.S.W.!

Don't you dare try and usurp the campaign and turn it into a nationality issue. Do I have to explain the humour..oh wait....
Razz

Deathwing - Feb 25, 2003 - 09:34 AM
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Grotemuis wrote:

....just to see all those faces when a german ascends the stage as champion

Hey Grot. How come you're not on my list of attendees?

Aristodeimos - Feb 25, 2003 - 10:00 AM
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Personally, I don't understand why Frenzied players don't have to go for it? I realize that is the rule right now, but it seems wrong. He's frenzied! He's out of control! Of course he's going to go for it...the bugger didn't fall down! We used to have this as a House Rule until the LRB was published.

Squiggoth - Feb 26, 2003 - 01:27 AM
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Yeah, I guess it's in the spirit of the game to GoForIt with a frenzied player when he's got the chance...

Indigo - Feb 26, 2003 - 06:35 AM
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Deathwing wrote:

Don't you dare try and usurp the campaign and turn it into a nationality issue. Do I have to explain the humour..oh wait....
Razz

Er yes...

Could it be Sod Blood Bowl! Deathwing Loves Sexy Women?

skummy - Feb 26, 2003 - 07:40 AM
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Skaven Bully Boy? Death Likes Stunty Warriors?

Xhilong - May 27, 2003 - 01:17 PM
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I get coaches doing the extra movement on blitz's aginst my mummies all the time. never really gave it much thought. Confused

Tutenkharnage - May 27, 2003 - 03:24 PM
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skummy wrote:

In my local league, the GFIs are mandatory. So the only way to avoid a second block is to run around and burn all but one of your potential GFIs. This forces you to roll a pair of GFIs anyway, which isn't to your advantage.

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Can anyone else top this with legal beardiness?

That's easy: the stalling tactic. Legal, and cheesy as ALL get out. *SPIT*

-Chet

Redfang - May 28, 2003 - 01:40 AM
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Frenzy used to be a very good (too good probably) skill

It has already been toned down a lot. I never tried and I never will try the "move around to prevent second block" manouvre, but I think forcing frenziers to make the GFI is a bit over the top in toning down frenzy. Just give coaches who do the moving around manouvre a good whack to the head. That should solve this issue better.

R

Skevan - Jul 16, 2003 - 09:03 AM
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I always try to place my linemen or other players zo that my frenzied player doens have a negative effect on his second block, i dont resort to running back an forth, it sound like me the players that resort to this tacktick don't have much imagination.

Tackledummy - Aug 09, 2003 - 06:29 PM
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Had a guy use two special play cards during the same turn (ones from 3rd edition Deathzone) to make an automatic pass I could not intercept to a player in the endzone for an OT touchdown. I thought it was pretty sad, took all the competition and strategy out of the game which had been a bloody hard fought one.

ponkavitch - Aug 10, 2003 - 11:49 PM
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Hows this for a beardie manuver. Giving another team most/ all of your treasury just before a game so they have a lower teamrating, then have the other team give it back after the match.

noodle1978uk - Aug 11, 2003 - 02:23 AM
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Ah ye - the "quick lower my team rating" trick. Been there, seen that...

As for special play cards - well what goes around comes around...

As commissioner I delighted in fining, punishing players for beardiness anyway Wink

LouisX - Aug 11, 2003 - 05:57 AM
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The beardiest thing i've done was playing completely drunk my last game at the RDV BB in France....and winning 3 or 4 to 0 leaving my disgusted opponent with 3 players on the pitch!

The guy never seemed to use his skills Shocked

like tackle when blitzing my gobbos and stuff. At first i told him but he was really grumpy. Before we even began he grinned at me looking at my roster thinking i'm going to beat the shit out of you! So i must say i didn't really bothered telling him what of his skills he should use after already telling him 3 times.

westonwyse - Aug 23, 2003 - 09:07 AM
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ponkavitch wrote:

Hows this for a beardie manuver. Giving another team most/ all of your treasury just before a game so they have a lower teamrating, then have the other team give it back after the match.

In our league, you can't just transfer funds between teams like that, otherwise, I'm sure someone would be doing a lot of that by now. Instead, our coaches use the Player Fatalaty Bounties to dump their treasuries on one of their opponent's players, hoping to kill the poor slob and get their money back at the end.

Amok - Aug 24, 2003 - 06:40 AM
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The most beardie I've ever done was making one of my throwers assist coach. Loaning my complete treasury to an other team So I had a rating differnce of exactly 99 Twisted Evil

. And to complete the scandal in the following match I'd killed 2 players and kicked one a -1 ? and one niggling.

Am I evil ?

Vampire

Yes I Am

Doubleskulls - Aug 24, 2003 - 12:36 PM
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westonwyse wrote:

ponkavitch wrote:

Hows this for a beardie manuver. Giving another team most/ all of your treasury just before a game so they have a lower teamrating, then have the other team give it back after the match.

In our league, you can't just transfer funds between teams like that

In the ECBBL you can loan/give other players money - but it counts against both teams TR until repaid or the end of season.

noodle1978uk - Aug 26, 2003 - 04:21 AM
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We just don't include treasury in Team rating. Which is a shame cos I have -40k in mine now! (Daft negative rules I invented... Very Happy

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Doubleskulls - Aug 26, 2003 - 05:46 AM
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noodle1978uk wrote:

We just don't include treasury in Team rating.

The reason I don't like that is because it means any freebooting is without penalty. If you save 50k to freeboot a wizard that adds 5 to your TR so you pay a penalty in terms of future money and handicap rolls.

A good example is what I have done with my current team. With about 4 games left it was clear I was going to make the play offs. So I started saving all my money for freebooting during the play offs. By the 1st game I was carrying 16 points of TR just in my treasury. That can make quite a big difference to the game.

noodle1978uk - Aug 26, 2003 - 06:27 AM
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Good point - Of course the last time anyone freebooted in our league was er.... a LONG time ago

But we still allow bought star players.

However now that I've moved wizards from buyable to freeboot only I might reconsider for the reasons you have cited.

JessicaDeJong - Sep 05, 2003 - 02:33 AM
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On the subject of 'lending' money I leant a chaos player money to buy a new greater daemon as I killed his last one and felt guilty! Does this make me beardy?

Indigo - Sep 05, 2003 - 03:28 AM
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nah, maybe just "overly charitable" Wink

beardy is when you exploit known loop holes or flaws in the game to your advantage. Like playing with Chaos Dwarves for example.

Wink

JessicaDeJong - Sep 05, 2003 - 03:36 AM
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how about intentionally throwing gobbos at opposing players?

Very Happy

Doubleskulls - Sep 05, 2003 - 04:10 AM
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You can't. You may only target an empty square with a TTM. Now if you are lucky you'll hit an opponent. Very Happy

Mordredd - Sep 05, 2003 - 04:54 AM
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For a while my league did not add treasury to team rating either. We simply added the value of any freebooters to the TR for working out the handicap. Rather obvious really. Rolling Eyes

westonwyse - Sep 06, 2003 - 11:39 AM
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JessicaDeJong wrote:

how about intentionally throwing gobbos at opposing players?

Doubleskulls is right, you're not allowed. However, until we figured that out, we had one Gobbo team whose coach always managed to bean the guy on the other team with the ball. It was uncanny how he could peg runners left and right.

I'm glad we made him stop. Very Happy

JessicaDeJong - Sep 06, 2003 - 07:37 PM
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yeh, but if you cover the surrounding area with gobbos then they get knocked into the player right? Or is that just when the troll drops the gobbo? I just played a game 2nite and i tried this tactic against a vampire, but my goblin missed everyone and landed in the one empty square! I hadent expected him to land where I had first aimed!

westonwyse - Sep 06, 2003 - 10:24 PM
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Yeah, pretty much. As long as you aim for an empty square (and miss), then you can pack gobbos around your target to try to hit him better. No problem with that that I can see.

JessicaDeJong - Sep 07, 2003 - 01:06 AM
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So not a beardy tactic then? Mind you a spectator to the afore-mentioned match just accused me of being beardy and a "rules-mongerer" for calling a player for not moving the turn marker, so what do people think, is this nasty in frendly play, or is it just an accepted part of blood bowl just like failing that stupid 2+ dodge with a re-roll, stupid gobbos!

Thadrin - Sep 07, 2003 - 03:15 AM
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Illegal procedure you mean? Not beardy in any way. Just weak. I have only ever played one person who played IP and he was also the biggest A***H*** I've ever had the misfortunte to play.

That subject is the proverbial abused equine corpse.

Ratin_Mutants - Sep 07, 2003 - 03:46 AM
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My would be playing against a human team, with a skaven team, the coach of the human team was coming from a birthday party, and was drunk.

I asked him 2 times, if he was fit, so far he had not lost a match in 9 games, and I was the newbie.

At the end of the match he had Griff ??berwald, Mighty Zug, A Blitzer with 4 skills, and Morg´N´Thorg Killed. Never Blood Bowl and drink!

Doubleskulls - Sep 07, 2003 - 05:25 AM
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JessicaDeJong wrote:

No. There is no chain effect. Only the player hit by the flying goblin gets knocked over. Other players just get pushed.

JessicaDeJong - Sep 07, 2003 - 11:01 AM
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There is no chain effect. Only the player hit by the flying goblin gets knocked over. Other players just get pushed.

Ah well, good job that its never suceeded, otherwise I would feel a bit mean!

JessicaDeJong - Sep 07, 2003 - 11:05 AM
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Illegal procedure you mean? Not beardy in any way. Just weak. I have only ever played one person who played IP and he was also the biggest A***H*** I've ever had the misfortunte to play.

Humm, mabie I just play it cos at my gaming club I used to go to every1 plays it! I just moved recently and I seem to be fast learning that its not used here, oh well live and learn, playing again 2night I shall see what my next 'victim' thinks of it!