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Darkson - May 08, 2005 - 12:31 PM
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Results are in, and the winners are posted on the Specialist Games blog:
http://www.specialist-games.com/default.htm

At least it wasn't a Blackshirt! Wink

Yavatol - May 08, 2005 - 02:35 PM
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Congratz Dan Titan!

Ryan - May 08, 2005 - 03:27 PM
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Took amazons and came 178

Only mananged to score 3 TD's ALL weekend
I only managed to pick up the Ball 4 times
4 NUFFLE DAMM HIS NAME TIMES

I got outscored By Necromatic's, Orcs and Chaos and Out Casulited them

Does anyone think that strange

Lycos - May 08, 2005 - 03:28 PM
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Darkson wrote:

At least it wasn't a Blackshirt! Wink

You didnt know he is now in the ECBBL then Darkson! Check the site!! hehe.

I have had too many people asking me for the next lottery numbers..... on Saturday night in the bar, having played Dan on table 4, I confidently said to Indigo in Bugmans, "Dan Titan's name is on that trophy. I was next to him playing Del last round and having just played him, I tell you, his name is on that trophy".

Spooky. Shocked

And well done Dan.

DarthBLU - May 08, 2005 - 03:44 PM
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Congratulations Dan Titan :DDDDDDDD and Emi :DDDDDDD

Mordredd - May 08, 2005 - 04:24 PM
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Congratulations Dan! There are few people I'd rather hand the trophy to. Very Happy

(except myself of course Laughing

)

TiMuN - May 08, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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Ole Ole Ole, pisha!! qué grande ereh!!
Congrats mate, you were about to have a major one this time, and here it is!!
Don't forget your mates down here when you climb to the olympus .. lol

TiMuN - May 08, 2005 - 04:34 PM
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I also want to congratulate Nacho Cort, first appearance in an international tourney, and send some high-five to Olaf Stober, for getting on the league throphy .. And while i'm there .. congrats Emi for yet another magnificient paint display ..

Man, I can hear the whole spanish team celebrating at Clarence in the distance !!!

Doubleskulls - May 08, 2005 - 05:07 PM
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Congrats to Dan. A nicer guy couldn't have won it.

3 Blackshirts in the Top 5. I'm proud of you boys! Very Happy

TuernRedvenom - May 09, 2005 - 12:21 AM
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Congrats Dan, always good to see a nice, sporting guy lift the throphy! Worship

Darkson - May 09, 2005 - 02:33 AM
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Lycos wrote:

Darkson wrote:

At least it wasn't a Blackshirt! Wink

You didnt know he is now in the ECBBL then Darkson! Check the site!! hehe.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil

Right, that's it! If I ever get my tournament off the ground, you lot are banned! Wink

Still, having played Dan at Spiky last year, I can honestly say I think he deserves this one.

Congrats mate, definetly don't want that re-match now! Wink

Emberbreeze - May 09, 2005 - 03:03 AM
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and I can say I've beaten the Bloodbowl champions Smile

(at Carnage last year)

3 wins with vampires this year is a great result, however only 1 was V NAF oposition Sad

Rodders - May 09, 2005 - 05:05 AM
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great tourni only 2 wins with my vamps but both against naf opposition Very Happy

the pro vamp who rolled a total of seven ones when he tried to pick up the ball didnt help Evil or Very Mad

those dice now live under the warhammer world helms deep (at least thats where i think they landed after i launched them) Shocked

Pipey - May 09, 2005 - 05:24 AM
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Well done Dan and congratz to all the other prize winners!

Managed a 4/0/2 and finished on the first page of the results sheet so I was pretty happy with that (only dampener being that 3 out of 4 wins were non-NAF Crying or Very sad

).

All in all a quality tournament. The game scheduling was at times slightly odd (waiting 90 minutes between games 5 and 6 after having to get up at 8am to make game 4!!) and I'm still not convinced sportsmanship scoring is needed in BB (probably a GW hangover from running WFB/40k events where there is a need for it). But otherwise I had a top time and played 6 great games.

Brendan

KaduC - May 09, 2005 - 05:51 AM
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Gratz Dan ! Very Happy

And also to Pedro (naf name: maitre tactac) who won the Most TD Award ! Wink

Mordredd - May 09, 2005 - 06:41 AM
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On the subject of sportsmanship I'm afraid that it really is needed. There was a German there who would constantly cheat if you didn't watch him. And I mean on the level of walking through tackle zones and not making the rolls unless told to by his opponent or moving further than his MA, that sort of blatant cheating.

Even without that guy I think it is a good thing to generally keep it in players' minds during the tournament by having a score for it.

I finished joint first on game points alone but was knocked down to joint third overall purely by sportsmanship points.

Indigo - May 09, 2005 - 10:48 AM
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I think the way sportsmanship was used in this tournament was a shambles though. There is a need to have a way of penalising people for poor sportsmanship but not for rewarding good games.

The trouble is, sportsmanship and exciting games are two different things but GW gets them confused. It gives the impression that if a game is exciting and your opponent was friendly you should give it a classic, yet also says if you have a fun game it should be "great" only. Too wooly, too subjective. What makes it worse is that these points have a vast effect on the overall rankings and the match pairings too.

What is sporting in BB? Not using IP is sporting, not using 4mins is sporting - both these things are concessions to improve the game, to play your opponent and compare skill rather than trying to trip them up on technicalities. Same holds true for allowing usage of the pass template at any time for example.

What isn't sporting is a great game between two coaches who have fun - that's just an exciting one!

I saw a good few coaches look at each other and then give max sporting points. THAT is cheating and not sporting, rather ironic IMO.

Indigo - May 09, 2005 - 10:52 AM
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worth adding too - the rules pack clearly stated anyone give a Classic or Scrap result would have to justify to a ref.

That didn't happen once. What's the point of having a clear rule like this without enforcing it?

Aramil - May 09, 2005 - 10:57 AM
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Sportmanship IS subjective!

That's why in Italy we don't have it (as a prize, I mean Wink

) or at least we have it separate from the tournament points.

Sportmanship shouldn't influence the ranking in a positive way... but only penalize unsportive players.

Mordredd - May 09, 2005 - 11:29 AM
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Indigo wrote:

Now this I totally agree with. They should have had the refs get justifications from at least some of them.

I guess what they should do as a minimum is set up their database so that it flags up the second time a coach gives out a Classic/Scrap and prompt the refs to go and get a justification.

At the moment the points system gives you more for being good than it takes away for being bad. Perhaps that should be reversed so if you're good you get a pat on the back and if you're bad you get beaten with sticks.

Squig87 - May 09, 2005 - 02:23 PM
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I'll agree that the there is a problem with sportsmanship points at the BB. There was blatent cheating with the sportsmanship points, I saw it myself.

It was confusing what to give. 4 of my games were truely classic in my eyes, and I gave out 2 classic games for the "sporting" opponents. I however recieved 4 classic games. My games were certainly unique and exciting (for all 3 undead vs undead brawls I was out cas'ed but still managed to push for a result) but I felt I was sporting... but shouldnt everyone be sporting?

I mean all of my opponents were nice guys, and all didnt like illeagal procedures and turn time limits. I think there should be only 2 options, sporting and unsporting. I dont expect any of my opponents to be unsporting, so why should they get extra points for it? Only minus points for being unsporting I think.

As a sidenote, I finished 12th which I basically robbed because of sportsmanship points.

@Mordredd did you play the German in question? I was the guy sweating and swearing at my luck in the Undead brawl a table down from you at game 5.

IceStella - May 09, 2005 - 04:25 PM
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Wouldn't it then make more sense (when adding up the game points) to put the sportsmanship points in after the grand total, along with the most cas/td's?

That way the points earned for sportsmanship can go towards the Sportsmanship trophy (like the cas/td trophy) but don't have an effect on the grand total, and therefore the tourney ranking?

If that wouldn't work please tell me, cos I'd love to learn more.

Edit - Just read Aramil's post...that's the kind of thing I meant. Sorry for repeating.

Dysartes - May 09, 2005 - 05:14 PM
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Side note - can anyone explain how the League was worked out, as the guy who won overall seems to be second in it (if I'm not mistaken)?

Emi78 - May 09, 2005 - 05:19 PM
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Congratulations Dan and Nacho!, you are great!..., and thanks to everybody for the painting contest votes, i'm very happy with this prize...

Dave - May 10, 2005 - 12:01 AM
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the grand final stands apart from that last league prize ..

Doubleskulls - May 10, 2005 - 12:06 AM
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Dysartes wrote:

Side note - can anyone explain how the League was worked out, as the guy who won overall seems to be second in it (if I'm not mistaken)?

Dan who won did so on game score alone (i.e. only the results of his matches counted). Olaf who won overall made up the difference with sportsmanship and painting scores.

cluster - May 10, 2005 - 01:15 AM
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The sportsmanship thing is an issue in all the tourneys, I do alot of Warhammer and 40k ones and it's either rubbish game, ok game, great game as with BB. I think you can have a rubbish game with sporting opponents, and it is easy to fudge it. The last 40k Doubles winners had 6 or 7 great games for them which basically pushed them from 10th to 1st.

Mordredd - May 10, 2005 - 04:35 AM
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Squig87 wrote:

@Mordredd did you play the German in question? I was the guy sweating and swearing at my luck in the Undead brawl a table down from you at game 5.

No I didn't. He had ticket 101; the German I played was a great guy (ticket 102). I heard about him from one of the Danes I know and I think he or one of his friends played him early on but I'm not sure. He told me about him after the first round and again after the fourth.

Rodders - May 10, 2005 - 06:07 AM
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Indigo wrote:

I think the way sportsmanship was used in this tournament was a shambles though. There is a need to have a way of penalising people for poor sportsmanship but not for rewarding good games. .

THE WAY SPORTSMANSHIP IS DONE IS CHANGING

i was reliably informed by the events team when we questioned them how sportsmanship is done that its going to change.

they are going to trial with a warhammer tourni that you automaticly get full marks for sportsmanship and then can be marked down if you're a bad sport. if it works it will be used at next years bloodbowl

Maitre_tactac - May 10, 2005 - 06:37 AM
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Please tell games workshop to change vocabulary!!!

as a foreign player ans as my english is not as fluent as i would like it to be!!!
i misunderstood the classic and great game, counfoud them and use one at the place of the other!
i believed classic game was a normal game and great game was the highest ranking for a game at this event

I played 4 really funny and attractive games and two others who where just nice!
so I'm really sorry for those players who deserved these points and don't get them!!!

Longshot - May 10, 2005 - 06:47 AM
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well done to all the winners !
about sportmanship:
During the first day , i confused between classic and great game... yes i am french..

The second day, i even got a crappy game... apparently this player was like that against some other players during the tournament and even last year... any ref comes to me? nah..
Sportmanship shouldnt count in the ranking cos i know some friend that just check the boxe even before the game... it is IMO too subjective.

Painting?.. ok, let me see.. got only 5 point on 6... why ?
And better than me... Longfang (Del) got also only 5 point on 6 !!!
do you find that normal ?

at least no background needed this year but..

Still a Coin and not a mini..
less and less non-english players...
Seems that the BB in itself (the tournament) is becoming more about money for GW than about the players..
Enjoyed myself cos of the people i know and i met but not about the organisation.

Slinky78 - May 10, 2005 - 06:53 AM
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Agree with much of what Indigo has said. The sportsmanship issue was a farce last time, and it sounds like they've done nothing to clear it up this time around. I remember long discussions on TBB about this last year and many sensible improvements recommended as feedback, all of which must have been ignored. One of the factors that made me less sorry about not making it this time, as I remember standing around at the end last time trying to work out how we'd moved so many places in the final standings relative to what we'd expected.
In one of the GW games least open to power gaming and cheating they then bundle in a 'sportsmanship' system which is scaled high enough to have disproportionate effects on the rankings and be open to all sorts of abuse...

Mordredd - May 10, 2005 - 07:28 AM
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From what I remember from last years discussions the majority of complaints stemmed from people either not reading the sportsmanship section or somehow not understanding it. Most people's problem seemed to be that they had one or two "great" games but got no points when, like this year, you had to get three or more for you to get any.

I do agree that this year the effect was disproportionate. You could get more points for sportsmanship than you could for a blow out win.

McDeth - May 10, 2005 - 07:50 AM
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The only way to get them to listen is through the wallet, while you keep paying and going they'll keep thinking there doing the right thing and carry on.

Dont go and they think again.

Its a shame really because its supposed to be the premier event but iyts now just a running joke. maybe next year they'll let the NAF run it. Then i'd attend, but certainly not anyhting run by GW

sproutman - May 10, 2005 - 07:51 AM
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Longshot wrote:

Painting?.. ok, let me see.. got only 5 point on 6... why ?
And better than me... Longfang (Del) got also only 5 point on 6 !!!
do you find that normal ?

Now that really is weird. Those Necro's were really, really, gorgeous. I had my first game against them and it was highly enjoyable just to play against models painted that nicely, even if I lost... Confused

I agree with the idea of marking down for sportsmanship as opposed to marking up, i.e. starting with a set score which you can lose points from. I think playing in the spirit of the game is the norm to be expected, but rules-lawyering etc does need to be discouraged in some way.

Hangus - May 10, 2005 - 08:01 AM
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not only that but they where voted one of the best 10 painted teams so how on earth did Del only get 5 as did Woody

Emberbreeze - May 10, 2005 - 08:04 AM
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I wouldn't call this years event a farce. It had a couple of issues, but over all I had a good time and enjoyed the weekend. I can recalculate where I would be in the ranking without sportmanship (joint 72nd with vamps! Smile

).

It may seem like alot of money, but I bet an independant couldn't provide a venue for upto 200 coaches, 3 meals, comemortive coin for much less than £40 a ticket and they wouldn't be paying staff costs and all sorts of other overheads.

Yavatol - May 10, 2005 - 08:11 AM
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maitre_tactac wrote:

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Please tell games workshop to change vocabulary!!!

i misunderstood the classic and great game,

I can see the ambiguity, 'classic' as in very great is a slang word? Easily mistaken for 'classic' as in traditional, standard or even simple. Don't think GW considered that.

Levinas - May 10, 2005 - 08:50 AM
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I second (or third or whatever) most comments here about sportsmanship points - I found the whole process rather embarassing, I enjoyed all of my games, everyone played in good spirits but there was no real way to work out which were classic and which were great. I do know none were awful so marking down seems like the way to go to me too. I haven't seen the results yet (so I don't kniw if I lost places for painting/sportmanship) but I'd rather judge people by gaming results.

This said, there were lots of complaints last year and GW did listen. Better tables, more space, a BB display in one of the cabinets, Human team available, coin on time. All things that I remember us asking for a year ago. So maybe there's hope yet. I'll be emailing the events team again this year with my comments (both positive and negative) and hopefully things will be even better next time.

Mordredd - May 10, 2005 - 08:55 AM
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McDeth wrote:

The only way to get them to listen is through the wallet, while you keep paying and going they'll keep thinking there doing the right thing and carry on.

Dont go and they think again.

That's not going to work at all. If everyone stops going they'll just stop putting the event on. Surely that's not the result we're after is it?

Besides I'm pretty sure that for every NAF member that stops going there'll be 2 non NAF coaches to take his place.

From my experience they do listen to feedback from those that attend. As Levinas has pointed out most of the complaints from last year were addressed.

rambo_skeleton - May 10, 2005 - 09:32 AM
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After talking with various members of the GW staff at the tournament, they have already identified the sportsmanship award as an issue, and it will be changed for all GW tournaments next season (the tournament season starts in July).

The new system will be based on the fact that everyone is expected to be sporting in all their games, and so will recieve their full sportsmanship points at the start of the tournament. There will then only be 2 possible choices as far as sportsmanship is concerned, a great game, or a poor game. Players will then lose points based on the amount of poor games which they have recieved over the weekend. This will obviously mean no most sporting opponent award, but they feel that a fairer system overall is more important.

Pipey - May 10, 2005 - 09:40 AM
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Bravo! That looks like it would solve the whole problem.

Can't agree with those who whine about GW tournies and talk about boycotts. Apart from a few minor things, BB2005 was an excellent tournament.

Ryan - May 10, 2005 - 12:06 PM
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Oh there was one thing missing from this year that I know at least 40 other Coach's asked for

A FREE BEER

I mean how are you supposed to get into the Mad Capped Spirit of things if your not drunk enough to try those Crazy things that if you were sobber would never be though of and never tryed Cool

Deathwing - May 10, 2005 - 12:41 PM
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Well I had a good (but busy Smile

) time, lot of issues that were raised last year were addressed, I think it just gets better.
Agree about the sportsmanship tho', there was an awful lot of marking each other up type of thing going on, it's a little more than ironic, it actually specifically hurt those who were honest enough to mark a great game as exactly that and not participate in cheesy back scratching. (I gave 4 great and 2 classic btw). That said, I couldn't give a stuff about final standing (just W L D), but the rounds (inc the final) should have gone on Points/TD/Cas/Sports and not Points/Sports/TD/Cas. (Apart from anything else, that was naturally going to match up the people prepared to dish out max points!!!! Rolling Eyes

). If they fix that then I'd be happy enough with the scoring system.

Chris - May 10, 2005 - 01:02 PM
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Darkson wrote:

Results are in, and the winners are posted on the Specialist Games blog:
http://www.specialist-games.com/default.htm

At least it wasn't a Blackshirt! Wink

Ooh, a low comment? Smile

Chris - May 10, 2005 - 01:07 PM
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I have no problems with the sportsman ship system Smile

As it meant my goblins came 21st!!!! Clearly the little lads thought it up Smile

However even without it I would have been 50 something. So perhaps somthing wrong with Goblins? Secret weapons a little cheap? I lost 1 game out of 6.

Doubleskulls - May 10, 2005 - 05:27 PM
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What lineup did you take? I reckon the gobbo SPs are relatively cheap (Nobbla in particular is a bargain for 80k).

Doubleskulls - May 10, 2005 - 06:19 PM
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Deathwing wrote:

That said, I couldn't give a stuff about final standing (just W L D), but the rounds (inc the final) should have gone on Points/TD/Cas/Sports and not Points/Sports/TD/Cas. (Apart from anything else, that was naturally going to match up the people prepared to dish out max points!!!! Rolling Eyes

). If they fix that then I'd be happy enough with the scoring system.

If the TD difference is already factored into the initial score (as it was at the BB) then you should not have TDs as the next tiebreak as you are giving an advantage to high scoring teams.

McDeth - May 11, 2005 - 01:37 AM
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Emberbreeze wrote:

It may seem like alot of money, but I bet an independant couldn't provide a venue for upto 200 coaches, 3 meals, comemortive coin for much less than £40 a ticket and they wouldn't be paying staff costs and all sorts of other overheads.

£8K, Easily be used to hire a hall give you your three meals and probably give you a sculpted figure and better prizes.

£8k goes a hell of along way

rambo_skeleton - May 11, 2005 - 02:15 AM
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Quote:

What lineup did you take? I reckon the gobbo SPs are relatively cheap (Nobbla in particular is a bargain for 80k).

On a related subject to this, what are peoples opinions regarding star players at tournaments like the BB. Should they be allowed or banned? How much should they cost etc?

Dan_Titan - May 11, 2005 - 02:27 AM
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Thanks to all the compliments i have received.

Like last year, I left Warhammerworld happy, but not 100%. Last year I finished 55th (5W 1L) but with no sportmanship points (same happend to Geggster), so after lots of speaking, the revised everything and we got our possition back.
This year I found myself, again, in an strange mess. After the 5th round, we all thought that, Paul and Myself, having the same points, it was Pauls pass to the final, as he was better in TD. But the surprises came when they putted me in the final and left Paul at the gates. After consulting to the Refs and Jervis itself, they did say different versions. One said it was because of Sportmenships points, and the second was that it was the total of TD and CAS... The criteria that they followed is something i was not aware of, and certenly i (or we all) have played far too many tourneys were the rules were different. (Tiebreaker: Points/TD/CAS....)

I cant say more, but would like to dedicate this Trophy

to Paul, as I think, he deserved this. (in our game I tied in a last minute rush with at least 10 succsefull rolls and without this draw, he could be the winner)

Dan Titan

Geggster - May 11, 2005 - 03:17 AM
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That's very kind of you Dan, but too much.

Sure, we had a mighty close game and I was disappointed with not getting to the final, but you got there fair and square. Sportsmanship, right or wrong, was the official tie-breaker and you just pipped me on that.

Congrats for overcoming those scary Undead in what must have been a nerve-racking final.

Just enjoy it. And remember you'll have to beat me next year to retain it Laughing

Longshot - May 11, 2005 - 03:58 AM
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Sorry Pippy, have to disagree for some points about the organisation.
Emberbreeze=> as organisators, Trambi and I found that a lot of money for what we got. (specially for foreigners!)
I still cant imagine that they are still no prices for the winners exept a piece of paper ! Come on !
For foreigners, it is a lot of money for seeing less and less friends and a not 'good' (good tourny imho like: Dutch open, Spicky...) tourny organisation... well, i will be less sure to come next year believe me.

Mordredd - May 11, 2005 - 04:48 AM
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The BB winner gets a free ticket to the next one.

Mordredd - May 11, 2005 - 04:54 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote:

Deathwing wrote:

). If they fix that then I'd be happy enough with the scoring system.

If the TD difference is already factored into the initial score (as it was at the BB) then you should not have TDs as the next tiebreak as you are giving an advantage to high scoring teams.

I'd agree with that. TD and CAS total would work out ok, although that might give teams like Undead who can do both an unnecessary leg up. Sportsmanship is at least team neutral for a decider but perhaps a little too subjective to be ideal. Maybe all three combined would work best?

In any case what is being used needs to be made clear in its own section of the rules pack so that everyone knows how it will work in advance.

Prince - May 11, 2005 - 05:48 AM
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Mordredd wrote:

There was a German there who would constantly cheat if you didn't watch him. And I mean on the level of walking through tackle zones and not making the rolls unless told to by his opponent or moving further than his MA, that sort of blatant cheating.
Even without that guy I think it is a good thing to generally keep it in players' minds during the tournament by having a score for it.

...

No I didn't. He had ticket 101; the German I played was a great guy (ticket 102). I heard about him from one of the Danes I know and I think he or one of his friends played him early on but I'm not sure. He told me about him after the first round and again after the fourth.

I am the one with ticket number 101!

I had 6 really funny games and never heard any complaints from any of my opponents! I didn´t even play against you or any of the Danes. So I can´t see why you´re writing about me in this manner!

Longshot - May 11, 2005 - 05:56 AM
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Mordredd: I give also a free place to the champion of my tournament, as this he can comeback next year..

Have to say that Venomous breath must ask for it between Resurection and BB42, that' s why now they think about it...

Anyway, a lot of money for not so much cos it is GW. That's what an enterprise do, earning money event on that kind of event. quite logical. But maybe too much imho. compared to non gw tourny where of course all the money is for the tourny and the players.

Mordredd - May 11, 2005 - 07:02 AM
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PrinceMoranion wrote:

Mordredd wrote:

Well it is entirely possible that I was told the wrong ticket number, or got it mixed up myself, in which case I apologise for slurring your good name. But I don't believe the coaches were lying about this person's conduct, whoever it was. Their stories were far too detailed and consistent.

Flix - May 11, 2005 - 07:15 AM
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is there a list online where you can see all positions ?

Longshot - May 11, 2005 - 07:30 AM
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I also had a crappy game on my game 6 (i dont remenber the name of the guy). But i know that Nacho played him also in game 5 in table 2 and it was also a nightmare.. Ancalagon played him one year before and same story... I hope i will never play him again.

longfang - May 11, 2005 - 10:08 AM
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Apparently some guy had a M7 ogre against an inexpeirenced coach. I was shown his name, anyone else aware of cheating like this.

Indigo - May 11, 2005 - 10:18 AM
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None that I'd care to elaborate on in a "public" forum Wink

Though not quite the same as you describe I saw some pretty bad attempts to cheat.

Hoshi_Komi - May 11, 2005 - 10:35 AM
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I'd like know how people tried to cheat, no names required.

hoomin_erra - May 11, 2005 - 11:07 AM
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The only one i had, was a coach who constantly rolled his dodge rolls, and bonehead rolls, and THEN declared blitzes and passes..... Shocked

But it was sunday morning, i was hung over, so i just let him carry on.

And then i beat him Laughing

longfang - May 11, 2005 - 01:38 PM
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Indigo wrote:

None that I'd care to elaborate on in a "public" forum Wink

Though not quite the same as you describe I saw some pretty bad attempts to cheat.

Do not talk about it then. Wink

Chris - May 11, 2005 - 04:55 PM
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Doubleskulls wrote:

What lineup did you take? I reckon the gobbo SPs are relatively cheap (Nobbla in particular is a bargain for 80k).

Chainsaw
Fungus
Bomber
Pogo stick
8 Goblins
2 Trolls
3 Re-rolls

If I was being a bit more serious I wouldn't have taken fungus. He however in the end only cost me two-three touchdowns. Otherwise he was like a guided missile. Terrifying.

I think results were

1 win 3-2
1 win 2-1
1 draw 1-1
2 draws 2-2
1 loss 2-1

Overall I think an Ork team that wanted to rely on luck could do worse than including a troll, chainsaw, bomber (also an excellent thrower lacking stunty and having accurate) and pogo stick (undervalued but with a penalty roll of 10+ only went off twice in 6 games).

I think the umpiring could have been a bit more consentent. Jervis himself giving two different rulings for catching the bomb if you were holding the ball.

Ryan - May 12, 2005 - 02:04 AM
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Well lets see

I took Amazons

Line up was

5 Line women
4 Blitzers
2 Catchers
1 Thrower

3 Re-Rolls
1 FF
1 Apothacary

Skills progression was

Game 1 Block on the Thrower
Game 2 Guard on a Blitzer
Game 3 Guard on a Blitzer
Game 4 Guard on a Blitzer
Game 5 Guard on a Blitzer

Result was 0/1/5 with the loss's being Dark Elves, Orc's, Chaos, Undead and another team I can't remember and the draw was against a Skaven team on my last game

Longshot - May 12, 2005 - 02:57 AM
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Well guys, i dont see the problem in saying who tryed to cheat or who got a bad spirit. This is how we could still have a good environnement in our tournys ! remnber the Dwarf coach in Spiky 1 for example..

There are not a lot but if we can change their ways or kick them out, i ll be fine with that.

By the way i was not clearly but still.. accused from cheating cos i have a lot of dices and cos i was using a shaking cup... so i took only the strict minimum dices to play, and still rolled in the Nuffle shaking cups...3/0 Wink

Face it, some are wrong, and i sadly know we will still see some of them in tourny for crappy games. (at least Nacho , Ancalagon and I gor the same feeling on this guy, want to be the next one ?...)

Djengis_kahn - May 12, 2005 - 03:53 AM
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Congratz dan !!
Nice 1 !!

Djengis

Pipey - May 12, 2005 - 03:56 AM
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Longshot wrote:

Hi Longhsot,

OK the BB was definitely nowhere near Spiky/DO but GW have come a long way with their tournaments. Maybe I've just seen lots and lots of very crappy GW events and this one wasn't actually so bad Very Happy

Agree that the prizes were pretty poor (little photocopied certificate) given the money payed out for the tickets.

Pip

Grotuk - May 12, 2005 - 04:43 AM
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Im not sure if they were ignorants or just cheaters but i saw 1 necro team with 3 wrights and a orc team with an Ogre (this one playest the last round with Ancalagon who called to the referee...) but he played 5 games with an ilegal roster... That's just unbeliveable in a Major Tourney.

Anyway, im so happy with my game results 3-0, 2-0, 1-1, 2-2, 1-2, 0-2.. so 2/2/2. considering i was playin ogres without stars just plain 5 ogres 6 goblins 2RR and 2FF. The only thing i was a little disapointed is my 0 sportmanship points. I think all the people playing goblins, halflings, ogres and even vampires choose they teams just to have a good time and make have good time to their opponents too. Even this.. i'll go next year, 'cause i really enjoy it

Cidervampire - May 12, 2005 - 05:05 AM
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I had a good time over the weekend. Did better than last year but not as good as the previous 2 years. Maybe next time. Anyway 2 points of contention.

Painting - Yes I'm happy with how this is scored but I noticed some people had 5 points rather than 6. I would assume this is due to some dummy not ticking any boxes for painting and bringing the average down. I would probably be better if GW checked the paint jobs themselves thus ensuring that nobody got a lower mark due to a coach forgetting to tick any boxes.

Sportsmanship - The which the points were given out for this seemed to vary considerably. The points were supposed to be based on the quality of the game rather than how sporting the opponent was. Sure its generally easier to have a good game against a nice oponent but I'm sure everyone here has had quite dull games against the friendliest of people. Sure Ofal is a friendly enthusiastic person but I doubt if all 6 of his or anyone elses games were "Clasics". All my oponents were really nice people and easy to play against but I only gave one classic out. If I had to choose a single most sporting oponent I would have given it to the guy who played dwarfs against me in game 4 who let me take several moves back as I was too brain dead to think straight at one crucial point. Having sportsmanship as a tie breaker was somewhat silly especially in the earlier rounds when it was impossible to have earned any bonus points. Allowing oponents to be in a position to add or remove bonus points is always going to open to misuse or misunderstandings. I've played in tournaments where everyone gave maximum sportsmanship points to each other which is nice but somewhat pointless at the end of the day. I've had people knock sportsmanship points off me for fouling etc. The only workable method I've seen is voting for a most sporting oponent and an award given to the person with the most points. Even then I wouldn't want to see sportsmanship alter the final tournament points. I've heard various horror stories etc but in all the tournaments I've played I've yet to play anyone who I've felt upset by their conduct. Even Dennis at the Dungeon Bowl was nice to me.....Could do with less geese around though!

Ithilkir - May 12, 2005 - 12:46 PM
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Bit of paper for 31 casualties Sad

Still, happy to actually win something, but pretty sad when Fanatic can supply fan tournaments with prizes but not there own Sad

Firebreather - May 13, 2005 - 02:06 AM
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Ithilkir wrote:

Bit of paper for 31 casualties Sad

Still, happy to actually win something, but pretty sad when Fanatic can supply fan tournaments with prizes but not there own Sad

And to think my elves gave their lives for that bit of paper Crying or Very sad

musicwithrocksin - May 15, 2005 - 10:13 AM
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Happily I can say I really don't care about the results! I went along and played 6 absolutely storming guys. I'd have happily got an absolute shoeing in all 6 and still been happy. I go for the cameraderie that can exist than to win anything. Cheers to the guys I played & well done to the winners. I'll be going next year anyway.

Emberbreeze - May 15, 2005 - 10:35 AM
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can anyone write down their views, stories, interesting points about this years event for inclusion on www.thebloodbowl.com

also if you have any good photos that you wouldn't mind being posted on the site let me know

Thanks