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 Posted: Nov 28, 2003 - 03:48 PM
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Well, i think it was reduced all right. You can barely use it anymore. You need either someone next to the vampire who's worth hypnotizing more than he's worth blocking (pretty rare when you have ST4), or you need to sacrifice your blitz action.
Sure, it's easier to pull off now, but since it's become useless, that doesn't help. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Nov 28, 2003 - 03:54 PM
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zeuzism wrote: Do you really think BB is supposed to be a sport, and by that smooth and fair? Or do you agree at least a bit and think: hey (!) bring on some more freaky stuff and lets not care about the balancing part.
I think Blood Bowl is meant to be a game, and to be honest I'd much rather play a game that's balanced, where in the main I win or lose by my own skill than where a freak dice roll could cost me the whole game, no matter the relative skill of the players.
I also think that many of the rules tweaks were inroduced to help circumvent boring play. Basing may be fun but taken to extremes being bashed is not when the other player only cares about hitting you andignoring the ball (note i'm not accusing anyone on this thread).
Indigo: I think I'm trying to say the same thing, you said it better 
Tutenkharnage: For the record I don't mind whats been done to Hypno Gaze, I always thought it was a bit good when just Luthor had it, just think with the Pro thing as well it may be a bit too much.
Personally I would prefer to have pro as a skill and the new version of HG.
BTW, any chance of the official reason(s) for changing pro, i'd be interested to hear the reasoning as it kind of took me by surprise. |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2003 - 06:16 AM
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| I think of you could move & gaze people wouldn't be complaining. |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2003 - 01:17 PM
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| Yeah they would. That would be similar to having access to 6 blitzes in the same turn. |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2003 - 08:40 PM
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You can move and gaze. But it's going to cost you your Blitz action. And as Cervidal said...that would be like having 6 blitzes in the same turn. Not cool.
HG is still your best weapon against Side Step and Stand Firm. And if the Vampire team that isn't supposed to be a top-tier team has been stripped of its free blitzes...well, I won't be shedding any tears for it. I know I'm not alone there.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2003 - 09:55 PM
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| Hey, i have no problem with hypnotic gaze having been toned down. What i didn't like is you saying that it hadn't been! |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2003 - 04:08 AM
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Tutenkharnage wrote: And if the Vampire team that isn't supposed to be a top-tier team has been stripped of its free blitzes...well, I won't be shedding any tears for it.
So I take it theres no chance the Bloodlust from#10 will be official then  |
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 06:47 AM
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Zombie69 wrote: Hey, i have no problem with hypnotic gaze having been toned down. What i didn't like is you saying that it hadn't been!
It's a matter of perspective. In a certain way, it's been "toned down": you can no longer move and gaze. Fair enough. But in another way, it has been improved: the gaze functions properly on a roll of 2-6. Against all players whose AG is greater than 2 (i.e., almost every player you'll see on the field), the effectiveness of the gaze has been improved.
Whether you see this as "mostly toned down" or "mostly improved" or "not really enough of either to call it one way or another" depends on your perspective. On a team-wide level, I say it's been toned down; on an individual level, I say it's a little of both. Categorically, it has not been "toned down without question," "absolutely downgraded," "nerfed," whatever else people might use to categorize something that got no improvement anywhere.
That's all I'm saying.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 07:30 AM
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 07:48 AM
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Quote: Against all players whose AG is greater than 2 (i.e., almost every player you'll see on the field), the effectiveness of the gaze has been improved.
Greater than 1 surely, seeing as you had to beat AG to hypnotise, not just equal it. If everyone played it like that I can half see why people thought it was overpowered. I'm still not convinced that it was (at least when you had to use it during the player's action).
I don't particularly like equating it with a blitz either. I think it may just make the trait too unusable. We shall have to wait and see how much it's used by the leagues new Vampire team, but I can see it becoming something that is too easily never used in a game at all. |
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 08:16 AM
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Chet - Even if you don't, I think everyone else believes Hypnotic Gaze has been toned down. The fact its more likely to succeed (especially against Elves) is more than outweighed by the fact you'll rarely ever use it. With S4 vamps are far more likely to hit than gaze - because you don't get SPPs and opponents off the pitch by gazing them.
Does this mean we are going to see a less negative version of OFAB? |
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 11:39 AM
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Sorry, I meant "AG of 2 or greater," not "AG is greater than 2." Regarding OFAB, a new version will be in the Vault. I think Tom and I worked out a pretty good version in another thread; I'd say it's definitely "less negative" than the current on-field OFAB.
And no, that Bloodthirst from BBmag is DOA
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 03:31 PM
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I've only played a couple games with Vamps, both a week or so before the
new rules came out.
I can see the new version being useful, especially when you need to get
through a line to score to get a draw or win late in the game especially ---
1 or 2 vamps use it & then your ball carrier runs through the hole that
the lack of TZ's created.
Later on in the Vamps development, once they have Block/MB/ Tackle &
stuff like that --- perhaps it wont be used so much.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 05:43 PM
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| I guess it can be useful if your opponent is stupid enough to leave his players next to your ST4 vampires all the time. Oh that's right, he won't. Oh well... |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2003 - 06:20 PM
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Well, lets see, your Vamps would Block anyone instead of HG if they could
get 2 dice on them......
So it follows that HG will be useful if they cant get the 2 dice Block --- what type of player will that be ---- yep, you guessed it, Big Guys & ST4 players.
Now what types of player find it hard to get away from other players due to
their low AG & lack of Dodge --- once again, you guessed it, Big Guys & ST4
players......
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