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 Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 04:49 AM
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[quote="Ancalagon so maybe this year having a spanish champ will be impossible....[/quote]
Thank goodness for that. Am I right in saying that all the "Grand Slams" have been won by Spanish coaches? Everyone knows that the Spanish team is overpowered. GW are obviously trying to give the UK players a not-so-subtle helping hand. Well done GW.
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 04:51 AM
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I'm sorry, but in all the hysteria you people seem to have missed the obvious. I think that I have pointed it out twice already, but I'll do it again.
Last year the BB winner did it on strength of games alone. His painting and English skills had NOTHING to do with winning the cup. The only thing that mattered was that he was one of the top two placed coaches after round 5. I imagine it will be exactly the same this year, or does it say otherwise in the rules pack? I have yet to receive mine so I can't check this.
If this is the case then it hardly seems unfair that the Warhammer World league winner should also need to have scored well in painting, knowledge and sportsmanship as well. The BB is unique in GW GTs in that it is the equivalent of the Warhammer/40K 'Best General' who is remembered as winning the tournament. All this complaining about how painting etc. should not be a part of it is just whinging BS.
As for reading the background peace, I doubt anyone will really have time to. I doubt anyone will care about word counts or spelling and grammar, or what language it is written in. Also, please remember, that just because a team is nicely themed does not make it a candidate for best painted. It could be a great idea done with lots of enthusiasm, but little skill. It is therefore worth rewarding that coach for their effort separately. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 04:58 AM
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 05:16 AM
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We MUST write 200 words minimum, according to the rules, or we lose points. Also, since it says that a head coach model is not needed to argue the call, it implies that one is not needed for theming purposes.
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Orks could get away with writing 'ere we go 70 times. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 05:21 AM
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Torpor wrote: To be pedantic, there is nothing that says that the theme has to be written in English... Give the judges something to think about Then again, you probably would just annoy them and get lower marks. Probably best not to do that.
Hell yes. Everyone should write theres in a different language! That would empasise how the appeal is wider than just the UK and US! |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 05:24 AM
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Of course, you can always go and get your team done proffessionally.....
as for painting and that not being a part of it - damn straight! I hate painting, BB should be about playing the game, and the winner should be the best coach, not the best know it all who either has the time or the cash to produce a brillent team. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 05:54 AM
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| I know GW refuses to produce non-English tourney packs, but maybe they could be persuaded to do non-English quizzes. They should be able to work out rough numbers from where they had to post the tickets. Alternatively, as an example, team Spain could do a quick headcount and then write in to ask GW's Spanish department to do a translation for them. Just a suggestion which I hope might be helpful seeing as the whole format seems to be fairly set now. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 06:16 AM
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Chris wrote: Of course, you can always go and get your team done proffessionally.....as for painting and that not being a part of it - damn straight! I hate painting, BB should be about playing the game, and the winner should be the best coach, not the best know it all who either has the time or the cash to produce a brillent team.
If Blood Bowl teams came fully formed out of the box, pre-painted, I'd agree with you. But they don't. I can't stand playing against people who insist on using unpainted figs, paper markers on their bases, Monopoly pieces, and so on. I'm not alone. This creates an unenjoyable atmosphere of neverending "who's he" questions.
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 06:27 AM
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Mordredd wrote: I'm sorry, but in all the hysteria you people seem to have missed the obvious. I think that I have pointed it out twice already, but I'll do it again.
Last year the BB winner did it on strength of games alone. His painting and English skills had NOTHING to do with winning the cup. The only thing that mattered was that he was one of the top two placed coaches after round 5. I imagine it will be exactly the same this year, or does it say otherwise in the rules pack? I have yet to receive mine so I can't check this.
The most contentious issue is that they have not tailored the tournament for Blood Bowl and have clearly regurgitated the 40k/WFB stuff, As a result there are a number of inconsistencies in there which are hard to swallow, such as theming, "force numbering" and background.
While it's a valid point to say that the winner of the BB should be the person with most gaming points and the WW champion should be the person with most points from all sources combined and who wasn't in the final, it's the sources of these points and how they've simply been added to the rules without thought to the implications.
If 40k GTs do indeed attract a number of foreign players (and none of the GTs I've been to had any) then I doubt it is anywhere near the 40% - 60% mark. Even if it is, the fact the 40k is a core game means that all nations have a fully accurate version of the rules in their native languages. We only need to look at the differences between the old german rules and the english ones to see rules differences between the specialist games translations.
It would have been simple to take the 40k GT template, do a proper check of the wording to remove inappropriate references then simply remove things like theming, WYSIWYG and force backgrounds. At the very least it will prevent unscrupulous players from abusing the system by awarding no points across three categories rather than just one.
For the biggest BB tournament in the world, and the main GW official one, it should be striving to be a beacon of tourney running rather than trying to get by using another systems rules and ideas. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 06:39 AM
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Tutenkharnage wrote: I can't stand playing against people who insist on using unpainted figs, paper markers on their bases, Monopoly pieces, and so on. I'm not alone. This creates an unenjoyable atmosphere of neverending "who's he" questions.
-Chet
So you have a minimum painting/presentation standard for all entrants to a competition. It doesn't need to be included in the points. |
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Quote: I know GW refuses to produce non-English tourney packs, but maybe they could be persuaded to do non-English quizzes. They should be able to work out rough numbers from where they had to post the tickets. Alternatively, as an example, team Spain could do a quick headcount and then write in to ask GW's Spanish department to do a translation for them. Just a suggestion which I hope might be helpful seeing as the whole format seems to be fairly set now.
I volunteer translating the text of the questions into German!
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 06:54 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote: Tutenkharnage wrote: I can't stand playing against people who insist on using unpainted figs, paper markers on their bases, Monopoly pieces, and so on. I'm not alone. This creates an unenjoyable atmosphere of neverending "who's he" questions.
-Chet
So you have a minimum painting/presentation standard for all entrants to a competition. It doesn't need to be included in the points.
... which is ignored. No, I think that including it is the right thing to do and if everyone makes just a little effort (remember no points for a brilliant paint job - only basic paint job needed), then it becomes standard and we all benefit (in points AND aesthetically pleasing games). |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 07:02 AM
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| I don't really see why they changed the rules so badly from last year. the ruleset is still online and it worked very well, so i would like to see it again, maybe with a fix that a tie does get more points than a loss by one. |
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| it may be the case that last year the system had a lot more input from Andy Hall as it was a "proof of concept" scaling up from resurrection, whereas now it's an established tourney so it falls under the remit of GW Events. That'd explain why we're having the issues we are... |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2004 - 07:16 AM
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And there was me thinking it was because the Events mob know squat about BB, being standard GW "WFB/40K/LotR" flunkies rather than people who actually care about the rest of us?
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It's hard being a Spanish... we just wanted to recover our "armada".
