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 Posted: Mar 07, 2004 - 09:07 PM
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Alright so if a player with Dump off is blocked it is pretty basic, but my question is when they are blitzed.
Do you make the throw as soon as your opponet anounces the blitz or just before he actually makes the block. Do Tackle zones affect this? Because if you can throw as they are running at you you could avoid another tackle zone. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 02:27 AM
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| Just before the block, because you don't know who is getting blocked in the blitz until they declare the block. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 02:49 AM
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Couple more questions,
Can it be combined with strong arm to dump off short passes?
and do you get a Comp point for a completed dump off? |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 03:14 AM
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| IIRC you CAN'T use strong arm and you do get the SPP for a completion |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 03:38 AM
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pass block .. does it work / not work on a dump off pass ??
I have read it somewhere but can't really recall the truth ... |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 03:47 AM
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found it .. RR2002 ...
fun if the blitzer has pass block as well .. gives him 3 xtre squares .. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 05:47 AM
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| On the contrary, it takes away MA from him, since if he uses pass block, he'll have to use normal MA after that to get back into blitz position and finish the job. Oh wait, the block is optional... |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 06:07 AM
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I think a sensible interpretation is the you can Pass Block a Dump Off, but not with the blitzing player.
You do get the SPP for a completion (assuming its accurate & caught). |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 07:18 AM
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Quote: Oh wait, the block is optional...
Yes, but you can only use dump off when you get blocked (after the block is declared but before the dice are rolled) so that would never happen. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 09:01 AM
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| What would never happen, the block? |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 09:04 AM
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if the blitzer has PB then that could indeed be the case ... I guess  |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 09:15 AM
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Quote: What would never happen, the block?
No the pass block. If the blitzer doesn't block then there can be no dump off, and therefore no pass block. As the dump off is resolved before the block then there is no pass for the blitzer to pass block once his block has been resolved and he is free to carry on moving. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 09:26 AM
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I bought this up on tbb last year,
personally the player who is doing the blitz shouldn't be able to passblock because then it stops the block from taking place thus the dump off can't be done which in turn negates the option to passblock
other players are free to passblock though |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 10:55 AM
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Mordredd wrote: Quote: What would never happen, the block?
No the pass block. If the blitzer doesn't block then there can be no dump off, and therefore no pass block. As the dump off is resolved before the block then there is no pass for the blitzer to pass block once his block has been resolved and he is free to carry on moving.
You said it yourself, the dump off is resolved before the block, and pass block along with it. So the blitzer could indeed pass block, then after that's over with, carry on with his blitz, which may or may not contain a block according to the rules. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2004 - 11:13 AM
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It has seldom happened, but I think you're wrong here Zombie.
In that case, for the DO to happen, the Blitzer must have announced the Block. Before your roll your Block die (dice), DO happens, then possible PB. It's kind of like just before the thrower gets it in the chin that this happens.
If we take for granted that you can forfeit your Block on a Blitz action, turning it into a movement only, there could not be any DO, since you can only DO when a Block is announced. Once it is announced, you must complete the Block.
That's the way I see it.
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