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Post subject: Buzzing and Interceptions
 Posted: Apr 23, 2004 - 08:38 AM
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Buzzing "... will automatically fail any attempt to pick up or catch the ball."
So how does this effect interceptions?
Can I even try?
If I try do I automatically fail - so the ball passes safely over my head?
Or can I roll, and if I make it, the ball scatter from the square I'm in?
This came up during a FUMBBL game, and I think Ski's got it right in that you effectively can't attempt the interception. |
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Posted: Apr 23, 2004 - 09:09 AM
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Since you can use the "Catch" skill in order to re-roll an interception, we can understand that an interception is a catch-action.
Starting from that I would say that you can try to intercept with that player, but the result is in every case a 1, so the ball will pass over your head without being touched.
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Posted: Apr 23, 2004 - 10:46 AM
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| Yep, I'd agree with that. I wonder what the BBRC think though? |
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Posted: Apr 26, 2004 - 04:50 AM
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Doubleskulls posted the same question on TBB and a longer discussion arose about that.
I was the same opinion as Aramil until Galak posted that:
1) interception is not a catch-roll
2) the buzzing player may try to intercept but the ball scatters form his square if he should be sucessfull
I'm still thinking about that but can't get it right, it contradicts the FAQ that NoS can be used for interceptions IMHO. |
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Posted: Apr 26, 2004 - 06:45 AM
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Narkotic wrote: I was the same opinion as Aramil until Galak posted that:
If Galak said that, I just raise my hands and shut up... never contradict Mr. Blood-Bowl.net!  |
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Posted: Apr 26, 2004 - 03:32 PM
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| Well, i do contradict Galak, and in this case i think he's wrong. |
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Posted: Apr 26, 2004 - 03:34 PM
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I would say that Galak is right according to the letter of the rules, an interception is clearly not a catch and vice versa.
The NOS ruling I would think is due to the intention in the rules. For a lot of the time interceptions seem to be treated as catches so I guess maybe the intention was always that NOS should be used for an int.
I would rule that the Buzzing player should not be allowed to int as it seems clear that he's not interested in the ball and that was the intention behind the rule but thats not how the rule is written and so would be a change/clarification rather than technically correct IMO. |
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Posted: Apr 26, 2004 - 03:45 PM
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Apedog wrote: I would say that Galak is right according to the letter of the rules, an interception is clearly not a catch and vice versa.
According to the letter of the rule, an interception IS a catch. So is catching a bouncing ball. That's why you can use the catch skill on both! |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2004 - 08:25 AM
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I have to agree with Zombie here: if it's not a catch action, how come NoS and Catch apply?
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 04:57 AM
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| Galaks interpretation would seem like a house rule to me, and automatically failing the interception roll would be in line with the other rules (such as the use of catch-skill) concerning this issue. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 07:16 AM
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I'm mixed on this one.
SBG wrote: I have to agree with Zombie here: if it's not a catch action, how come NoS and Catch apply?
Fred
I think the same reason you can use the dodge skill when being blocked.
Though in the real world you catch an interception this just may be a game mechanic. I read and reread Interceptions in the current LRB P22 and it only says you roll for interception. When succesful you place the ball on the players base to show that they caught the ball. At which point I guess it would scatter.
Personally I would have ruled the buzzing player can make no attempt to intercept the ball. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 10:15 AM
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| Wrong. Dodge has two uses according to the rules. Catch has only only : rerolling a catch. The fact that interceptions and catching boucing balls are catch rolls should not even be disputed. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 05:34 PM
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Okay here's my deal.
Interception is not meant to be the same as catch IMO
Very Long Legs and Extra Arms work on one but not the other.
An interception is worth SPPs ... a Catch is not.
The above is the basis for my belief that they are not the same.
The easy solution here is to clarify Buzzing in the LRB and to include the word interceptions in the LRB 3.0 for Nerves of Steel.
IE have any skill that references a Catch roll specific Interception or not with it ... then there is no question of what effects what.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 05:36 PM
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Zombie wrote: Apedog wrote: I would say that Galak is right according to the letter of the rules, an interception is clearly not a catch and vice versa.
According to the letter of the rule, an interception IS a catch. So is catching a bouncing ball. That's why you can use the catch skill on both!
Actually Zombie Catch can be used on an interception because the skill Catch says it can. Not because an interception is a Catch roll.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2004 - 06:45 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote: Very Long Legs and Extra Arms work on one but not the other.
IMO extra arms can be used on interceptions and scattering balls. In fact, it has been suggested before that very long legs + extra arms make for a pretty potent intercepting combo. |
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