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Post subject: Kick
 Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 10:12 AM
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If you set up a player with the Kick skill in the appropriate zone on the field and declare that he's taking the kick off, are you allowed to choose not to use the kick skill, after rolling for the distance the ball scatters?
I would say yes, but I want more people's opinion. |
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Post subject: Re: Kick
Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 10:28 AM
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Puckohue wrote: If you set up a player with the Kick skill in the appropriate zone on the field and declare that he's taking the kick off, are you allowed to choose not to use the kick skill, after rolling for the distance the ball scatters?
I would say yes, but I want more people's opinion.
All skill use is optional unless otherwise stated. So you can wait to see the D6 roll for the scatter before declaring if you are using kick or not.
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Post subject: Re: Kick
Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 10:38 AM
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GalakStarscraper wrote: All skill use is optional unless otherwise stated. So you can wait to see the D6 roll for the scatter before declaring if you are using kick or not.
Well, while I do not disagree that all skill use is optional, I would think that people should declare whether or not they are using the kick skill before rolling the dice.
In the 'fluff' way it just makes more sense, IMHO.  |
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Post subject: Re: Kick
Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 10:49 AM
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Spazzfist wrote: In the 'fluff' way it just makes more sense, IMHO.
In a Real World sense I agree, but I'm happy to play it as the rules intend. |
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Post subject: Re: Kick
Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 11:00 AM
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Darkson wrote: In a Real World sense I agree, but I'm happy to play it as the rules intend.
I also am happy to play by the way as intended by the rules, I am just not convinced that this was what was intended by the rules, or whether it is a loophole that people are exploiting. (Damn lawayers!) |
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 11:53 AM
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I think that we're going to lose this one. Sililar skills like Diving Tackle, Mighty Blow, Break Tackle, etc. are played with the rolls are made before the decision.
That seems to make it more of a game mechanic and tactic than for fluff/fun...but that is the way folks are playing them.
-Rob
P.S. Besdides...you should just really concentrate on picking up the damn ball.  |
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Post subject: Re: Kick
Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 11:55 AM
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Spazzfist wrote: I also am happy to play by the way as intended by the rules, I am just not convinced that this was what was intended by the rules, or whether it is a loophole that people are exploiting. (Damn lawayers!) It is not a loophole. ALL the skills are meant to be declared after seeing the dice unless its say otherwise.
Diving Tackle ... wait to see if you opponent fails the roll anyway or gets that 6 for automatic success before using it.
Mighty Blow ... wait to see the armour roll before you decide what to do with it.
Vault version of Piling On ... wait to see the armour roll before you decide what to do with it.
I could go one ... but all the skills are roll first declare after (again unless otherwise stated) and it is delibrate ... not a loophole.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 01:54 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote: ...you should just really concentrate on picking up the damn ball.
Shut up!  Just shut up!
...or else I will sick the bunnies on you! (more on that soon!)
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Posted: Nov 12, 2004 - 03:20 PM
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Spazzfist wrote: KarlLagerbottom wrote: ...you should just really concentrate on picking up the damn ball.
Shut up! Just shut up!
...or else I will sick the bunnies on you! (more on that soon!)
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You 2 in the Airport would be a laugh,....
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Posted: Nov 13, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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| well if the player has the kick skill surely he should be better at kicking then most, being able to choose to use the actual roll over the rounded off roll just adds to that image imho |
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Posted: Nov 15, 2004 - 03:14 PM
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| this is a good reason why vault kick off table is so good, as basic early teams do get the brunt from kick skill. I have seen it win games for this very reason. - with wood i tend to kick 3away from edge/side and have so far never given a touchback. |
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Posted: Nov 15, 2004 - 09:56 PM
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I know this is off topic, but I dig the new avatar.
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Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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Depends on your league.
Our league you would need to declare if you are using the kick skill before you roll for scatter.
Same would be true of other skills.
Piling on, you would need to declare whether or not you are going to use this skill before rolling to break armor.
Diving tackle, you again need to declare whether or not you are going to use the skill before the opposing player makes his block roll.
Some leagues are very by the book and others interpret the rules in a manner that they feel is more in keeping with what they feel how the game was intended to be played. |
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Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 03:26 PM
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Disdane wrote: Some leagues are very by the book and others interpret the rules in a manner that they feel is more in keeping with what they feel how the game was intended to be played.
The rules are very clear on the matter and given that the BBRC have had several chances to change the rules you ought to concede that skill use is after the dice have been rolled is the way it is intended to be.
I have zero problem with people house ruling BB to suit themselves, I just don't like it dressed up as "interpretation" when its clear. |
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Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 08:01 PM
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| couldn't have put ir clearer, doubleskulls. |
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