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Post subject: Handing Off oops, Handing Off oops... etc, etc..
 Posted: Jul 08, 2005 - 11:54 AM
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Riddle me this Batman.
By the LRB - 
Let say Player A hands off to Player B, he fails his roll.
The ball scatters, into Player C, he also fails his catch roll.
Again it scatters again into the other team's Player D.
He fails his catch, and it scatters back to Player C.
A to B, B to C, C to D, then for the good the D back to C. 
The driving team still has possession, the ball has not hit the ground, is it a Turnover? |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2005 - 01:05 PM
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| no it is not. since as it quite plainly says in the rule, as long as the ball comes to rest in the hands of a member of the moving team it isnt a TO. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2005 - 02:17 PM
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| Yup, not a turnover |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2005 - 07:44 PM
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| In your diagram, lets say that A and C are next to the sideline, so that when the ball scatters to D, it goes out of bounds. The crowd would then throw the ball back onto the field. As long as the ball ends up in the hands of one of your players, there is still no turnover! |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 05:35 AM
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Yep...unless you're playing with Female High-Elves at the North Pole. Then it IS a Turnover! 
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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Yeah, I believe the same also works for picking up the ball. If A had attempted and it went throught the described cycle, as long as a player from the moving team ends up with the ball before it hits the ground it is not a turn over.
Unless you're from Philly. Then you just concede the match. 
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 08:31 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote: Yep...unless you're playing with Female High-Elves at the North Pole. Then it IS a Turnover!
-Rob
Well then I guess it is a turnover for my team. I play High Elves from the North Pole. LOL!!!
I get to play the River Raiders tonight. Female High Elves versus Female Pro Elves, gonna be a seriousl Passing Game! I just hope, I bust through that AV 7, "Kmart Blue Light Special Armor".
The Raiders have had problems with the Injury Report and players dying. 12 Pro Elves versus my Healthy 14 High Elves.
http://www.bampf.com/store/bloodbowl3/roster.asp?id=35
vs.
http://www.bampf.com/store/bloodbowl3/roster.asp?id=2 |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 08:34 AM
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 11:37 AM
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 02:53 PM
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Spazzfist wrote: Yeah, I believe the same also works for picking up the ball. If A had attempted and it went throught the described cycle, as long as a player from the moving team ends up with the ball before it hits the ground it is not a turn over.
actually, it is a turn over. According to LRB4 page 9 it says...
Quote: the D6 roll is less than the required total, then
the player drops the ball, which will scatter one square. If the
player drops the ball then his team suffers a turnover and their
team turn ends immediately.
Unless of course, somewheres else in the book says otherwise, which could be possible.
A pass, that is not caught by the target, but scatters to a teammate (in the example above) and is caught, then it is not a turnover. |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 03:50 PM
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| A failed pick up is always a Turnover, regardless of where the ball ends up (unles it ends up in the hands of one of your players who is in the EZ - then it's a TD before the Turnover). |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 08:10 PM
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I still disagree. The hard and fast rule is that a turnover is when the ball or a player hits the dirt. I will look into it more tomorrow, but perhaps somebody more geeky than myself (i.e. who has memorized the rulebook) can help me out on this one!
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 08:35 PM
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LRB wrote: 1. A team is called for illegal procedure and
doesn???t have a re-roll counter or
2. A player on the moving team is knocked
down or falls over or
3. The ball is passed and comes to rest without
being caught by any member of the moving team or
4. A player from the moving team attempts to
pick up the ball and fails or
5. A touchdown is scored or
6. The four minute time limit for the turn runs out.
It's not a pass and it's not a pickup.
And for the record, on a pass, it doesn't matter how many times the ball hits the ground and bounces. The only things that matter are where it finally ends up. Like it was previously mentioned, even the crowd has no effect on it. |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2005 - 08:57 PM
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Spazzfist wrote: I still disagree. The hard and fast rule is that a turnover is when the ball or a player hits the dirt.
Spazz
Nope on both accounts.
A player could 'hit the dirt' in several ways without causing a turnover...a thrown player that fails the landing rol for example (it's only a turnover if the said player had the ball..heck, if the player had not moved yet, he could still take an action), diving tackle, etc.
a failed catch roll is never a turnover. It often leads to events which do cause a turnover, but failing the catch roll is not the cause of the turnover.
a failed pick up roll is always a turnover..even if someone on your team gets the ball.
Note that a catch roll is not a pick up roll..you catch the ball when the ball moves into the square of a player. You make a pick up roll whenever a player moves into a square that contains the ball. |
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 - 07:14 AM
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Gortex wrote:
Note that a catch roll is not a pick up roll..you catch the ball when the ball moves into the square of a player. You make a pick up roll whenever a player moves into a square that contains the ball.
Does that mean if player #1 doesn't catch the ball and it scatters into a square with a player with Catch...Player #2 can use the Catch skill reroll to "catch" the failed/scattered ball?
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