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 Posted: Jul 10, 2005 - 07:31 AM
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I think Catch may be used.
LRB4, pg 14 about Bouncing Balls: "...the player in the square must attempt to catch it, as described above..."
And the rules above (Catching the Football) imply that you can use Catch, hence Catch being allowed on scattered/bouncing balls.
But don't take my word on it. |
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 - 08:03 AM
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Spazzfist wrote: I still disagree. The hard and fast rule is that a turnover is when the ball or a player hits the dirt. I will look into it more tomorrow, but perhaps somebody more geeky than myself (i.e. who has memorized the rulebook) can help me out on this one! 
 If they can, they are playing it wrong. A failed pickup is always a turnover regardless of where the ball ends up.
A failed catch is not, in itself, a turnover - its the loss of possession that's a turnover. |
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Post subject: Re: Handing Off oops, Handing Off oops... etc, etc..
Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 08:14 AM
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So the concensus is what?
Is it a turnover?? |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 08:48 AM
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No. What you described with the hand off is not a turnover.
I was wrong (after being so thoroughly corrected) about the pick up roll. My bad. |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 09:09 AM
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And I must have been right with Catch, as even Ian didn't contradict me  |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 09:47 AM
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If you fail a pick-up, it's a Turnover, regardless of where the ball ends up.
If you fail a Catch roll, it's a Turnover unless the ball ends up in the possesion of one of your players. |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 10:29 AM
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Darkson wrote:
If you fail a Catch roll, it's a Turnover unless the ball ends up in the possesion of one of your players. If you fail to catch a pass or hand off. Failing to catch the ball after is has been dropped by a player that you blocked or after you pushed a player onto the ball is not. |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 11:02 AM
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When the ball scatters on the ground it is a Turnover, I know that.
- but -
A bobbled ball that is handed off is still catchable.
Now, over the weekend I played against one of our League Players, <cough-cough Bamph our commish- cough-cough>, he said the Hand Off not caught is a Failed Action.
I beg the differ.
Pages 8, 14, and 20 are the paragraphs that cover this.
We need to get Bamph into this discussion.
OT - Extended my account again, "Now them sweet Blue Block dice will be mine, yes they will be mine."
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 01:47 PM
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SuM wrote: When the ball scatters on the ground it is a Turnover, I know that.
Just to be clear, a bobbled ball that comes to rest on the ground is a turnover. Just hitting the ground doesn't necessarily make it a turnover. It can bounce to another of your players (or even the same one) and if caught play will continue if it was initially a Pass or a Handoff. If it was a pick-up, though, it would indeed be a turnover. |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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What snots said.
If the ball goes into the crowd, gets thrown in, lands in an empty square and bounces into the hands of one your players it is not a turnover.
Whatever happens - you only turnover if once the ball has stopped moving and none of your players are holding it. |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 05:37 PM
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snotsngrots wrote: SuM wrote: When the ball scatters on the ground it is a Turnover, I know that.
Just to be clear, a bobbled ball that comes to rest on the ground is a turnover. Just hitting the ground doesn't necessarily make it a turnover. It can bounce to another of your players (or even the same one) and if caught play will continue if it was initially a Pass or a Handoff. If it was a pick-up, though, it would indeed be a turnover.
For clarity sake can you give an example of when the ball may bounce on the ground and then end up in the hands of a player? |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 06:46 PM
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Spazz...
Doubleskulls wrote:
If the ball goes into the crowd, gets thrown in, lands in an empty square and bounces into the hands of one your players it is not a turnover.
right above you man.
Ok, just on another side note, I never really considered this until now, but say Player A on my team does not catch the ball thrown to him, it scatters to player B (my team or the opponents, doesn't matter.) Player B has the Catch skill, so, from what I've read here, he can use that to reroll his chance at getting the ball should he fail the first try.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 07:15 PM
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| yep..the catch skill can be used on bouncing/scattering balls... |
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Posted: Jul 12, 2005 - 07:59 PM
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| Basically you can use catch on any attempt to get the ball - other than a pickup. |
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 - 05:13 AM
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Yes, with the catch skill, you get to re-roll a failed catch roll. So if the ball comes into your players square, he may attempt to catch the ball with the re-roll.
Just to pre-empt the next question, you can use catch on an interception, as you are attempting to catch the ball in mid-flight. |
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