I totally agree. You want to run and pass, play elves, you want to hit play orcs or dwarves. I don't agree with some of these proposed changes, especially what is planned for ogres. I mean, they are the biggest players in Blood Bowl (with the exception of treemen) why should they be so lousy?

Why not make a 0-8 ogre team with a lower agillity player. Maybe even make the ogres the primary ball handlers with a small race with a 2 str and 1 agillity. I know it sounds weird, and why would you want to play a team with such crap agillity. It would keep the team a true ogre team with the ogres not outnumbered by the secondary lineup, but would make the team less of a scoring force. They would be similar to khemri with the concern of ball handling, but would be able to take punishement with the ogres to offset the many rerolls wasted on picking up balls and or moving the ball around. I know this is probably a moot point but it would be nice to see what other people think. I'm just thinking of the coaches.

However due to massive and I really mean massive amount of screaming by a lot of coaches (not just a handful of loud ones), these 2 teams were not deleted from the game.

I'm not even going to run another poll to see. I know the tide has turned ... and a lot of folks would like to see some teams trimmed. But to be honest ... you'll find a very mixed bag of folks that would MUCH rather see the Khemri or Necro team deleted than the Undead who were supposed to go in the first place.

Ok! It´s an arguement if you say: They pay for their Ogres, so they want to play with all of them. I understand that it is very frustrating paying a lot of money for the Minis and the rulesupdate don´t allow to use them. But the question is: How can it function? Too many Ogres are damned bashing force and together with Gobbos an experienced Team is hard to stop. Your suggestion to use a small race with 2 str and 1 ag is a nice idea, but can´t be realized, because there is no race in the warhammer world with such attributes. So there is no other way to handle it like the way the new rules do, I think.

Hmmm I thought they were keeping warhammer and blodbowl worlds sort of seperated.

But never forget the background of the game and there are no great Khemri teams in Bloobowl history.

Apart from the Champions of Death, a Khemri team if ever there was one.

A Khemriteam where Ghouls and Vampires play (1st and 2nd Edition stuff told so ..."Did you know" stuff)? In these days only "Undead"-Teams existed. There was no difference between Khemri, Nekromantic and Undead, they were all the same.

well, you can also argue that the 2nd Ed Undead was all Skeletons, which pretty much screams Khemri

The LRB Ogre team is horribly broken in the long run. Since the new rules are supposed to work perpetually they had to be changed.

I'm sorry people got screwed by the change - but the LRB roster was ill conceived and need fixing. IMO it should never have become official.

plus the goblins now painted that are to be useless under vault rules.

But minis purchased should not be the driving force for making rules for a team especially when said the rules around the team have changed and playtesting has shown the team to have serious long term issues.