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Post subject: Blitzing
 Posted: Jan 30, 2006 - 09:40 PM
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| Have a question about blitzing for the newest rule updates. I've always played that when you blitz, and you start off next to the person and let's say that you roll block and you both have block then you would have to dodge then as a blitz needs movement to be a Blitz? However in the new group i play in, they say that you can declare it a blitz, but if that situation happens, you don't have to move, you just end your turn? |
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Post subject: Re: Blitzing
Posted: Jan 30, 2006 - 10:06 PM
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| Yea, you don't have to move after a biltz. So, if you roll a both-down after you declared the blitz, and don't feel that its worth risking the dodge roll, you don't have to move. It does use your blitz for the turn though, since you called a blitz. |
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Posted: Feb 08, 2006 - 04:52 PM
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| You don't have to move even if you declare a Blitz, but it does burn your one Blitz. So you declare the blitz, always done before moving the model or rolling dice, and you get a "bounce" (both have block). Nothing happens. It isn't a turnover. You can, at that point, stop moving that model and go onto a different model. That ends that model's turn. You don't HAVE to try to keep moving, dodge out, trip, break armor, kill yourself, drop the ball, and cause a turnover (don't look at me like that!). Thats purely optional. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 03:05 AM
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Likewise you don't HAVE to do a block as part of a Blitz action. Many people use movement blitzes to keep wild animals moving. Especially if by some accident they have ended up with the ball.
So on a blitz action you can move AND/OR block as opposed to only haviing the option of one of the two, but you do not have to de both. (Or in fact either, but that would be dumb!) |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 07:17 AM
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antipixi wrote: Likewise you don't HAVE to do a block as part of a Blitz action. Many people use movement blitzes to keep wild animals moving. Especially if by some accident they have ended up with the ball.
So on a blitz action you can move AND/OR block as opposed to only haviing the option of one of the two, but you do not have to de both. (Or in fact either, but that would be dumb!)
I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but if this is in fact legal it is a serious bending of the rules in my opinion. Especially if you are doing it to keep a ball-carrying wild animal moving.  |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 11:32 AM
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It is a massive bending of the rules... but Blitz says may make a block during the move, doesn't say must. 'Tis a rules fudge  , but technically its legal unless someone shoves it in a FAQ that it isn't.
Obviously I'd never stoop so low as to have ever used this one... well, more than once anyway 
 look the guy was a rules lawyer, 'twas a joy to see him beaten at his own game!  should also point out that I was not scoring with the wild animal, just moving a block/claw minotaur in to position on his best player..... |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 12:00 PM
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Igor_Tahavanale wrote: It is a massive bending of the rules... but Blitz says may make a block during the move, doesn't say must.
Then this is probably a misreading of grammar. I would have to re-read the rules to be sure. But when it says may it is not always a choice. It simply means that you can, when circumstances would sometimes say that you cannot.
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 12:11 PM
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Quote: Blitz: The player may move a number of squares equal to their
Movement Allowance. He may make one block during the move.
The block may be made at any point during the move, and
???costs??? one square of movement.
right below it is the rules on passing...
Quote: Pass: The player may move a number of squares equal to his
MA. At the end of the move the player may pass the ball.
We all know that you do not have to actually pass the ball when you declare a pass action, so, by that logic, you do not have to throw a block when you declare a blitz action. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 12:13 PM
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 01:04 PM
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AnthonyTBBF wrote: You don't have to move at all during a Blitz. It's been that way since the dawn of time.
That point is not in question, it is whether or not you actually have to hit. Especially as it pertains to declaring a blitz with a wild animal just so you can move it (but have no intention of hitting). |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 01:09 PM
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Paul wrote: We all know that you do not have to actually pass the ball when you declare a pass action, so, by that logic, you do not have to throw a block when you declare a blitz action.
I disagree. If you refer back to what I had said before, "may" can be used to say that is now allowable, whereas in some circumstances it may not be.
A pass is a pass hether you move or not. A block can only be a block if you do not move, if you move it is a blitz. The point of calling the blitz is stating your intention to move and hit or hit and move (or any combination of moving and hitting). Therefore in a blitz you "may" lay a block at any point in your move, because in normal block or move circumstances you could not.
I would think that anyone trying to get around this rule by highlighting the "may" in their rulebook, deserves a serious smack in the head. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 01:30 PM
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| Summarized: You may Blitz without moving, but you shouldn't Blitz without hitting. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 02:00 PM
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Spazzfist wrote: I would think that anyone trying to get around this rule by highlighting the "may" in their rulebook, deserves a serious smack in the head.
I think anyone who would argue over the semantics of the rule's description when the intent is so obvious deserves a smack too |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 02:12 PM
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Hey guys, I said many people do, not that I do! I wouldn't want to waste the opportunity to hit something with my minotaur!
Having said this I personally don't have a problem with people who do just use it to move wild animals. It stops them hitting me somewhere else! 
There was a discussion about this a while ago in the vault pages and from what I remember most people seemed to think that it was a reasonable use of the action. Anyway, like I said I do use it to hit things! |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 02:46 PM
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I don't think we're trying to slam you for being a cheesy rule manipulator, I think its a pretty cheese thing to do and I'm like you.
My Rat Ogre gets the ball, he once ran down the sideline his full move, did a go for it to hit a guy and then went for it to score. (it worked out too, Cas and a TD on the same move  ) |
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