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 Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 04:41 PM
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| A lot. A ST4/AG4 player with access to G/S/A and no negatrait is worth a hell of a lot. |
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Posted: Jun 02, 2006 - 06:17 PM
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The rest of the team is shite.
EDIT: I'm sure that you already know that, but I am just as sure you will keep marching out the same argument over and again so I'm calling it quits.
We will have to agree to disagree. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 04:31 AM
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Well, seeing as one of the rules for BB team design was no ST4 players on the same team as AG4 players, the only way for ST4/AG4 Vamps to exist was to give them:
a) a nasty negatrait, and
b) a team that wasn't upto much.
Ignoring those restrictions to add in a player that has no negatrait, and is totally realiable is asking for trouble. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 05:45 AM
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well, either way, the people than can make the changes...won't, so this thread is moot anyway.
Darkson - I finally got the answer I was looking for regarding the 4/4 and negatraits. Question...answered. Though I would still like to see a Lord character of some form, if for no other reason than fluff (as I see it). |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 06:34 AM
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| Well, there is a Lord for fluff, Count Luthor counts as a Lord when 'booted by a Vamp team (only why a Star can play for 2 sides at the same time). |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 10:22 AM
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Darkson wrote: Well, seeing as one of the rules for BB team design was no ST4 players on the same team as AG4 players, the only way for ST4/AG4 Vamps to exist was to give them:
a) a nasty negatrait, and
b) a team that wasn't upto much.
Ignoring those restrictions to add in a player that has no negatrait, and is totally realiable is asking for trouble.
I'm guessing the Snow Troll or Dark Elf Runner might be close to breaking some guidelines set for the BB Design Team...and I'm not referring to their statlines. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 10:53 AM
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| Dunno, haven't checked them, that was just the reason given when my MBBL Vamp Lord had to be converted to a regular Vamp (I agreed with it, but didn't mean I liked it). |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2006 - 11:04 AM
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My point is that some directives were followed while others, written or otherwise, were apparently ignored.
I don't accept the reasoning, but the fact is they don't care what I as an individual thinks so...its pointless to argue.
That said...I still don't see that a single 4/4 player on a otherwise crap team is that big a deal. (If you wanted to bump down the STR to correct what was seen as a broken player.)
Back to the Wardancer analogy...there is not that much difference, in my mind, between a 4/4 rookie and a 3/4 Block/Dodge/Leap rookie. Sure the Extra STR is nice, but a game breaker? I don't think so...especially when every other player on the team is a liability.
Fine...fine...fine...The Woodelfs are supposed to excel Fluff-wise and the Vamps are supposed to be a weak team...I get it. Must be nice having that token answer to apply to each question of teams that are broken.
EDIT: The Vamp Lord would also include Regenerate and Hypnotic Gaze...both are nice, but are not nearly the impact of starting as a Blodger. |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2006 - 02:42 PM
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Vamps are competative without a Lord.
I don't think its a case of vamps being really poor and a joke team, its more a case of them testing their coaches ability |
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Posted: Aug 07, 2006 - 08:41 PM
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Posted: Aug 08, 2006 - 06:45 AM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote: I'm guessing the Snow Troll or Dark Elf Runner might be close to breaking some guidelines set for the BB Design Team...and I'm not referring to their statlines. You would be guessing wrong. The Runner was changed to better match the running game fluff of the team and the Snow Troll was actually the original Big Guy for the team when the first 3rd edition rules for the Norse team were published.
If a Vampire team has a Lord it creates all sorts of just really bad team design.
1) It creates a player that does almost everything on the team. It make the team uni-dimensional.
2) No team has a 0-1 player that isn't a Big Guy (ie has a negatrait).
3) No team has what is supposed to be the Head Coach as a player.
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Jervis wanted the Vampire team to be bottom of 2nd tier which most leagues stats that I've seen show the team is there and in fact in league play they can be very competitive. I've seen Vampire teams be serious contenders for top spots in leagues over the last 2 years.
However we agreed that the team could use a small boost and we gave it to the team in the form of a more powerful Hypnotic Gaze.
I was either going to play Vampires or Ogres at the Underworld ... might have to try Vampires just to see if I can come away with a winning record.
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