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 Posted: May 07, 2003 - 02:28 PM
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I think your sequence is correct in the last post, but earlier, it looked as if you were recommending it as a way of saving the team reroll for later in the turn. If I'm following you correctly, wouldn't the team reroll already have been used during this sequence and therefore be unavailable? And if so, it may be a high price to pay unless the particular move for that player is critical.
The idea would be to use 'pro' as an alternative to using a Team Reroll, but in the unfortunate circumstance of Pro failing you can still save yourself from a turnover... |
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Posted: May 07, 2003 - 07:42 PM
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dwarfcoach wrote: The idea would be to use 'pro' as an alternative to using a Team Reroll, but in the unfortunate circumstance of Pro failing you can still save yourself from a turnover...
Exactly. Finally got the time to program team reroll use on the Pro skill into the PBeM tool.
But yup ... use Pro to save the reroll ... the reroll can save you if you really need to use to on the Pro roll. But the point was that Pro would have saved your team reroll to begin with.
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Posted: May 07, 2003 - 08:52 PM
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But the point was that Pro would have saved your team reroll to begin with.
Yes, but this long thread began with a discussion of what could take place when a Pro roll was failed.  |
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Posted: May 12, 2003 - 05:02 PM
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Well not exactly, it began with a guy (NodrogN) double checking his understanding of the rules for Pro:
"I take this to mean that I can't try to use my pro skill and, when it fails, use a team re-roll instead. Can I, however, use a team re-roll to take the 'coach' roll again, which might then lead to getting the pro re-roll... "
To cut a long story short, he was right!!! |
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 01:14 AM
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I still think that you can't re-roll coach rolls, which the roll to see if the pro can re-roll his roll IMHO is. After all, can you use TRR for any other coach roll? No. Wizards are members of the coaching staff. Can they use TRR? I say no. In light of this discussion people probably think that they can. I very strongly support the idea that TRR can only be used to reroll something A PLAYER has done, not something a member of the coaching staff has done. But then again, maybe I'm just making a simple game more complicated by thinking like this and should just remain silent.
Thought that one again... naah..I'll keep on going... |
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 05:49 AM
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jejaatin wrote: I still think that you can't re-roll coach rolls, which the roll to see if the pro can re-roll his roll IMHO is.
Pro is NOT a coach roll. Its no different than Dauntless or Hypnotic Gaze and you can reroll those.
Arguing the call, apothecary use, and wizard spells are coach rolls. Pro is a player skill roll ... there is no doubt at all about this.
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 07:46 AM
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jejaatin wrote: I still think that you can't re-roll coach rolls, which the roll to see if the pro can re-roll his roll IMHO is.
i see your point because the wording of the skill does say that the "coach must roll" but i think you're missing the point because of yet another example of bad wording in the BB rulebook(hey galak, any chance we can add clarification of this to the hotlist?).
pro is a skill. PERIOD.
a skill is something done/used by a player. all things done/used by a player can be rerolled(except armour/injury as galak pointed out). PERIOD. |
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 11:21 AM
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mikeyc222 wrote: (hey galak, any chance we can add clarification of this to the hotlist?).
I doubt it for this reason, its not just Pro.
Dauntless say coach rolls, so do Shadowing, Tentacles, and Sprint. ie, its not special wording just on Pro, it just a player being too dang literal for his own good.
If jejaatin was correct ... than I cannot reroll a GFI roll from using Sprint because Sprint says the coach rolls the dice for the 3rd GFI when using Sprint. This is BEYOND the edge for trying to slice hairs with the rules wordings.
Bottom line .. no its doesn't need to be on the Hot List. Pro is a skill with its own special dice roll and as such that special dice roll can be rerolled when used just like Dauntless, Leap, and Hypnotic Gaze.
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Posted: May 16, 2003 - 11:50 AM
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yep, good point galak.
all you guys got that now?!
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Posted: May 19, 2003 - 05:39 AM
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| Okay, I see your point. I was too fixed on the pro skill only, so I didn't see the big picture. Now I just have to humble myself and contemplate my sillyness. It's difficult to admit being wrong, but... "sigh", yeah all skills are rerollable. |
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Posted: May 20, 2003 - 03:52 AM
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amen to that
now, who thinks forgetting to roll a bonehead should be an IP?
only kidding, please dont hurt me |
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