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Post subject: BB Annual 2003 and the Chaos Pact mixed race teams rules
 Posted: Sep 25, 2003 - 10:36 AM
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Hi!
So this may well have been cleared up AGES ago, but please humour me.... 
In the rules for the Chaos Pact Team in the allied experimental rules article in the BB annual 03 (specifically page 21) the Dark elves seem to have disappeared from the list of races in the Chaos Pact Team. It is in the original article in BB Mag #3.
As the Annual takes precedence it is important to know if this is just a typo or if it is a 'rules update'.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2003 - 12:31 PM
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It's an update. Further updates...umm, I can't remember what was in the Annual off the top of my head, so I'll post the current versions here from the NFL:
Chaos Pact
0-12 Norse Lineman
0-2 Beastman
Allowed races: Orc, Skaven, Goblin, Chaos, Norse
Big Guys (2): Ogre, Minotaur, Troll
Re-rolls: 80,000 each
Old World
0-12 Human Lineman
0-2 Longbeard
Allowed races: Human, Dwarf, Halfling, Wood Elf
Big Guys (2): Ogre, Treeman
Re-rolls: 80,000 each
Lustrian
0-12 Linewoman
0-4 Skink
Allowed races: Amazon, Lizardman, Norse
Big Guys (2): Kroxigor
Re-rolls: 80,000 each
If two Big Guys seems a bit much to you, I suggest you run with 1 Big Guy per team and drop the re-rolls to 70,000 each. But the team will lose quite a bit of flavor, IMO.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2003 - 02:34 PM
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Oh right, thanks alot for the clarification.
Aww, so you can't have Dark Elves in the Chaos Pact team now then, right? Bit of a shame ( and makes Jervs example of a chaos pact team at the end of the article seem a bit silly now). |
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Posted: Sep 25, 2003 - 04:00 PM
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Ahhh, the joys of GW cut-and-paste   |
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Posted: Sep 25, 2003 - 04:26 PM
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As Chet said except:
You may hire 1 of each big guy.
Chaos Pact TRR are 90k.
Lustrian Pact TRR are 70k, and they can hire an Ogre. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 06:25 AM
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What Doubleskulls has posted is a copy of the Annual rules. The "current rules," if you feel like using them, are as I posted earlier:
* 2 Big Guys total
* 80,000 re-rolls for everyone
* Big Guy lists as written
Life will get easier when GW opens the rumored "Playtesters Vault." But that's not going to happen soon if I'm reading the signals properly.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 07:29 AM
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| Hmm, I reckon them chaos guys should pay 90k per re-roll, I know evil never works well together! Why else has Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman never been two evil chaps in a film together? |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 07:44 AM
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Well I think it's a shame that the Chaos All-stars can't be re-created 
They had a Dark Elf in the team and I had planned to include a couple in my own pact team...
Oh well. So are there any NAF'ers who are runing a Chaos Pact team at the moment? how's it going? |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 08:25 AM
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Tutenkharnage wrote: What Doubleskulls has posted is a copy of the Annual rules. The "current rules," if you feel like using them, are as I posted earlier:
I was under the impression you were posting your own house rule variant on the Annual list.
AFAIK the annual rules are the last ones published by fanatic.
Or are you giving us a sneek peek at a new experimental list?
Unless something is happening to tone down Big Guys, I'd rather 1 per team. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 11:14 AM
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Consider it a sneak peek.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 03:52 PM
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Tutenkharnage wrote: Consider it a sneak peek.
-Chet
Footnote ... from the playtesting in the MBBL ... I'm really not sure about the Chaos Pact and Old World teams. I'm thinking 90k rerolls for both teams and even then I question the teams.
The stats these two teams have posted in the MBBL are kinda scary to be honest.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2003 - 04:03 PM
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Hmm, really? Yeah I did think you could kinda make a pretty unstoppabblel Chaos team (Dark Elf or not).
Well (getting out the fake facial hair which hooks over the ears) if they are made offical then you will see my Chaos Pact team in a couple of tournys next year.... |
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Posted: Sep 28, 2003 - 05:12 PM
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dwarfcoach wrote: Well I think it's a shame that the Chaos All-stars can't be re-created
They had a Dark Elf in the team and I had planned to include a couple in my own pact team...
Oh well. So are there any NAF'ers who are runing a Chaos Pact team at the moment? how's it going?
Mine is doing pretty well after 7 (or maybe  games; I'm using the 2nd list
with only 2 beastmen & 2 Big Guys, but I kept the re-rolls at 90k as i didnt realise they had changed.
The Minotaur was a liabliity on offence in the early games; the marauders seemed to do everything early on as well.
Now, the other guys in the league dont want to play me as my gutter runner got VLL on his first skill & then +1 MA on his second --- so he is
a one-turner now. I can concentrate on defensive skills from now on.
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Posted: Sep 29, 2003 - 07:54 AM
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MBBL stats to date:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/MBBL/MBBL_RaceStats.htm
The Chaos Pact and Old World teams have the 2nd and 3rd highest winning percentages in the MBBL as a race with both over 70%. The only race beating them is Amazon and that's because of the 4 coaches that have played the team. 3 of those 4 have been hands down 3 of the top BB coaches in the world (Chet Z., Brian H., and Steve M.) (and the Amazons are a good team also ... but I think the 72% win rate for 'Zons in the MBBL is more coach than team related ... not so with the Pact teams).
Then move to TD and CAS averages:
The Chaos Pact and Old World teams are the only 2 races in the MBBL averaging over 2 TDs per a game.
And in case you are wondering about the Lustrians .... the Lustrian team in my league is 4-0 this season and will very likely be playing in the Championship game for the league in 2 months. Also the Lustrian team as a race has posted the 4th highest CAS per a game stat (2.71) ... behind the following teams (Khemri 3.42/Dwarf 2.93/Chaos Dwarf 2.72)
I very much respect Chet and Milo and their great ideas and contributions to the game, but after all the playtesting in the MBBL, I can honestly say my opinion is that none of the 3 Pact teams work.
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Posted: Sep 29, 2003 - 12:50 PM
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The Old World team record is almost entirely the result of one coach...and most of his games were played as a Human team that converted to Old World, not a pure Old World team starting from scratch.
I don't put much stock in the MBBL angle for these teams, sorry. Especially since no one on the MBBL listserv has said, "By Nuffle, these teams are too hard!" Seems to me like good coaches playing good teams...IOW, put Lou and Anthony Watts behind any other bench and you get the same results.
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