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 Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 02:01 PM
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SolarFlare wrote: generaljason wrote:
I'm been advocating for Vegas the whole time because I think it's the best location in North America for this kind of tournament.
Not sure how you could say it's the best. Vegas certainly has some strong points, but other North America locations have already demonstrated they are very good for large tournaments. (Note: This is not a vote against Vegas.)
That is quite evident by all the large tournaments that are successfully run in NA. Vegas seems to have an edge simply because of costs for everyone to get there and stay there. And that is the major hurdle we are trying to avoid with this tournament. Lots of tournaments have a strong local contingent, but its hard to get to tournaments outside our region that aren't in driving distance. I would love to go to the Spike someday, but the flight and hotels to stay there would probably be close to double that of Vegas. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 02:02 PM
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Warpstone wrote: generaljason wrote: DarkOrk20 wrote: Does this mean that we have a plan? It sounds ok to me. I just wouldn't want our northern neighbors to feel slighted if it is always hosted in Vegas.
Not at all Tom but thanks you for your consideration. I'm been advocating for Vegas the whole time because I think it's the best location in North America for this kind of tournament.
I'd feel thrilled to have it in Vegas.  It's is probably one of the cheapest destinations for us to fly to in the states. Flight+hotel packages are numerous and competitive.
But most importantly for those of us with a ball and chain that's not a gobbo fanatic, Vegas is as easy a sell to the wife and family as you're going to get.
You get to go geek out for a few days on blood bowl, she gets to spend your money on the strip...
Very good point. Would make my job a million times easier if I could mix this tournament with a vacation. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 03:21 PM
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And the added touch is that this consideration applies to the numerous Europeans who might want to participate as well.
As for the year - fall 2013 would be my vote. Then 2017, 2021, ect. ect. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 07:21 PM
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| i second that vote. Then I can still hope to go to WCIII in 2015. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 08:15 PM
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generaljason wrote: And the added touch is that this consideration applies to the numerous Europeans who might want to participate as well.
As for the year - fall 2013 would be my vote. Then 2017, 2021, ect. ect.
Fall does not work for 3 reasons
1) Vegas is hotter than hot (Hard to enjoy the evening if you are dripping in sweat and then going into a frozen smokey casino)
2) Conflicts with Spike and Chaos Cup
3) Feb, March,April into May are traditionally the cheapest times due to lack of conventions (Vegas is the convention capital of the world)
4) Airfare is "usually" cheaper during that time |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 - 09:35 PM
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daloonieshaman wrote: generaljason wrote: And the added touch is that this consideration applies to the numerous Europeans who might want to participate as well.
As for the year - fall 2013 would be my vote. Then 2017, 2021, ect. ect.
Fall does not work for 3 reasons
1) Vegas is hotter than hot (Hard to enjoy the evening if you are dripping in sweat and then going into a frozen smokey casino)
2) Conflicts with Spike and Chaos Cup
3) Feb, March,April into May are traditionally the cheapest times due to lack of conventions (Vegas is the convention capital of the world)
4) Airfare is "usually" cheaper during that time
1. Did not realize that.
2/3. I was thinking November but fair enough - good point. Feb - April work for me as well but I'd be paying real close attention to tournament conflicts from Europe like Dungeonbowl and the Blood Bowl.
4. Good to know. |
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Posted: Apr 20, 2011 - 12:42 PM
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If looking at travel distances (not counting Vegas), middle of either country (ie Chicago and Toronto) is also worth considering rather than going to one coast over the other.
Pretty much with 10 pages of discussion on this site...at this point someone is just going to have to step up and say "Ok, I'm doing this, and it's at location____________. " knowing that they can't please everyone but will try and do the best event possible given all the previously discussed issues.
Unfortunately, I can't put it together just due to running Chaos Cup, 2 other annual tourneys and this little podcast that's slowing taking over the world.....but I'm more than willing to help promote it!  |
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Posted: Apr 20, 2011 - 05:19 PM
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| Where ever it is going to be the time to elect a board is "now" as 2 years comes up quick. |
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Posted: Apr 21, 2011 - 09:02 PM
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Again Jon I'm only for Vegas because flights should be roughly the same for all involved with the exception of those who live there. If Vegas was more central to North America then all the better but unfortunately it's on the West Coast. But Vegas is still a good sell no matter where it is in North America for this sort of thing, again cheap flights and the added appeal of Vegas itself.
Of course I'm only advocating for Vegas if it's the only tournament in town. If Quake is already using it instead then I'd advocate for alternating cities hosting it every 4 years. |
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Posted: Apr 22, 2011 - 08:19 AM
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As I read through this thread, I just want to be clear: When you say Team Championship, you are referring to having a bunch of coaches (say 4...whatever) show up together with roster, and then match up against other 4 man teams, taking the team's W/L as a whole, and then working swiss style through the team standings. Or something like that?
Or are you talking about having a 2 man team event?
I know I am not well known here and a little late to the discussion. I am part of a 16 team Blood Bowl league in Boston, MA, and I have been working both on trying to find ways to expand our community (read: find more players) and to potentially organize a teams tournament in our area (2 man team format). I'd love to be able to network with you folks, help out with this process and gain some insight on building up a tournament.
It's also possible that if there were such a tournament that I could get a (2,4,6, whatever) man team out of my group to travel for this event.
I'll keep an eye on this thread.
If an outsider's perspective matters with respect to venue: Kick it off in Vegas. It's an easier sell to wives, because they will consider coming along and doing their thing while boys go and play their *ahem* silly games. Nothing wrong with rotating the venue, and nothing worong with rotating it to smaller cities. Niagra Falls is a nice place to go for a weekend, albeit somewhat expensive. I think it would be a good idea to focus on rotating the event to places that have some kind of draw outside of getting together for Blood Bowl.
In any event, consider me an ally in the New England region to help promote something like this. |
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Posted: Apr 22, 2011 - 07:35 PM
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The Quake is in Vegas only for 2012 (and maybe 9 or 10 years later) as we have many more west coast cities to visit
The team concept is a wanttabe of The World cup. We have narrowed it down from 6 coaches to 3 or 4 on each team. Your team plays my team and the scores are somehow averaged out (This needs to be spelled out clearly)(Drop highest and lowest and take an average of the other 2?, Average all scores? There are so many sports examples of team scoring.). A total points system may be used but it is the weakest way to do the scoring. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: NORTH AMERICAN TEAM CHAM
Posted: Apr 24, 2011 - 08:32 PM
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I don't know why total scoring would be the "weakest." Drop high/low and keep the middle could result in a team with one weak player doing as well as or better than a team with three strong players. I appreciate the fun with math that can come from finding creative ways to average scores, but before determining the average, you will total scores in some way. Why not cut out the process in between and go with the number most indicative of how many successful coaches there are on a team? This way while you won't be able to have the fun math formulae that produce counter-intuitive results, you also won't have the counter-intuitive results themselves, like the team that went undefeated coming second to the team with 4 losses.
I appreciate the concern that this might draw away from the NAFWC, and as such it should never be run the same year, but keep in mind too that this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If North Americans are not going to the NAFWC anyway (or at least not in significant numbers), then there's no conflict to worry about. I just wanted to get that said; I still think this event should never occur in the same year as the NAFWC.
I like Vegas for 2013. Let WCQ keep its event for 2012, and have every event and club start promoting this idea for the next year. If you want it every 4 years, as a boost to the existing well-run tournaments already in place, then I say do that, and start in 2013. I think 4 years is best, given the expense of travel and hotels. Let's look to our European allies for guidance here: even with cheaper flights, shorter distances, and a greater pool of players to draw from, they still only hope to run this every 4 years. Their tournament scene is far more active than ours, and they know a thing or two about a thing or two. I say 4 years is plenty.
If you still want to do it every 2 years, then I say start in 2012, but have the second 3 years after the first, or preferably 1, to stagger it from the NAFWC. OR start it in 2014, and go every 2 years after that, but honestly if the only reason to wait until 2014 is some scheme to have an event like this every two years, I say start in 2013 and see how it goes first. I think if this is going to happen it should happen sooner rather than later, before it just dissolves into mere pipe talk. |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 05:51 AM
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Update your signature Mike - Spike! 2011 is September 10th and 11th
But I agree that every 4 years is plenty. |
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Posted: Apr 25, 2011 - 12:51 PM
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I am for:
Every 4 years
Vegas first time out
GJ being on the committee
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| I second that. But does anyone want to volunteer to head this monster up. I would gladly help out, but I have never dealt with organizing a tournament in another city and would probably miss something important. |
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