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 Posted: May 10, 2005 - 06:47 AM
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well done to all the winners !
about sportmanship:
During the first day , i confused between classic and great game... yes i am french..
The second day, i even got a crappy game... apparently this player was like that against some other players during the tournament and even last year... any ref comes to me? nah..
Sportmanship shouldnt count in the ranking cos i know some friend that just check the boxe even before the game... it is IMO too subjective.
Painting?.. ok, let me see.. got only 5 point on 6... why ?
And better than me... Longfang (Del) got also only 5 point on 6 !!!
do you find that normal ?
at least no background needed this year but..
Still a Coin and not a mini..
less and less non-english players...
Seems that the BB in itself (the tournament) is becoming more about money for GW than about the players..
Enjoyed myself cos of the people i know and i met but not about the organisation. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 06:53 AM
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Agree with much of what Indigo has said. The sportsmanship issue was a farce last time, and it sounds like they've done nothing to clear it up this time around. I remember long discussions on TBB about this last year and many sensible improvements recommended as feedback, all of which must have been ignored. One of the factors that made me less sorry about not making it this time, as I remember standing around at the end last time trying to work out how we'd moved so many places in the final standings relative to what we'd expected.
In one of the GW games least open to power gaming and cheating they then bundle in a 'sportsmanship' system which is scaled high enough to have disproportionate effects on the rankings and be open to all sorts of abuse... |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 07:28 AM
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From what I remember from last years discussions the majority of complaints stemmed from people either not reading the sportsmanship section or somehow not understanding it. Most people's problem seemed to be that they had one or two "great" games but got no points when, like this year, you had to get three or more for you to get any.
I do agree that this year the effect was disproportionate. You could get more points for sportsmanship than you could for a blow out win. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 07:50 AM
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The only way to get them to listen is through the wallet, while you keep paying and going they'll keep thinking there doing the right thing and carry on.
Dont go and they think again.
Its a shame really because its supposed to be the premier event but iyts now just a running joke. maybe next year they'll let the NAF run it. Then i'd attend, but certainly not anyhting run by GW |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 07:51 AM
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Longshot wrote: Painting?.. ok, let me see.. got only 5 point on 6... why ?
And better than me... Longfang (Del) got also only 5 point on 6 !!!
do you find that normal ?
Now that really is weird. Those Necro's were really, really, gorgeous. I had my first game against them and it was highly enjoyable just to play against models painted that nicely, even if I lost... 
I agree with the idea of marking down for sportsmanship as opposed to marking up, i.e. starting with a set score which you can lose points from. I think playing in the spirit of the game is the norm to be expected, but rules-lawyering etc does need to be discouraged in some way. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 08:01 AM
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| not only that but they where voted one of the best 10 painted teams so how on earth did Del only get 5 as did Woody |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 08:04 AM
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I wouldn't call this years event a farce. It had a couple of issues, but over all I had a good time and enjoyed the weekend. I can recalculate where I would be in the ranking without sportmanship (joint 72nd with vamps!  ).
It may seem like alot of money, but I bet an independant couldn't provide a venue for upto 200 coaches, 3 meals, comemortive coin for much less than £40 a ticket and they wouldn't be paying staff costs and all sorts of other overheads. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 08:11 AM
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maitre_tactac wrote: ...
Please tell games workshop to change vocabulary!!!
i misunderstood the classic and great game,
I can see the ambiguity, 'classic' as in very great is a slang word? Easily mistaken for 'classic' as in traditional, standard or even simple. Don't think GW considered that. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 08:50 AM
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I second (or third or whatever) most comments here about sportsmanship points - I found the whole process rather embarassing, I enjoyed all of my games, everyone played in good spirits but there was no real way to work out which were classic and which were great. I do know none were awful so marking down seems like the way to go to me too. I haven't seen the results yet (so I don't kniw if I lost places for painting/sportmanship) but I'd rather judge people by gaming results.
This said, there were lots of complaints last year and GW did listen. Better tables, more space, a BB display in one of the cabinets, Human team available, coin on time. All things that I remember us asking for a year ago. So maybe there's hope yet. I'll be emailing the events team again this year with my comments (both positive and negative) and hopefully things will be even better next time. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 08:55 AM
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McDeth wrote: The only way to get them to listen is through the wallet, while you keep paying and going they'll keep thinking there doing the right thing and carry on.
Dont go and they think again. That's not going to work at all. If everyone stops going they'll just stop putting the event on. Surely that's not the result we're after is it?
Besides I'm pretty sure that for every NAF member that stops going there'll be 2 non NAF coaches to take his place.
From my experience they do listen to feedback from those that attend. As Levinas has pointed out most of the complaints from last year were addressed. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 09:32 AM
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After talking with various members of the GW staff at the tournament, they have already identified the sportsmanship award as an issue, and it will be changed for all GW tournaments next season (the tournament season starts in July).
The new system will be based on the fact that everyone is expected to be sporting in all their games, and so will recieve their full sportsmanship points at the start of the tournament. There will then only be 2 possible choices as far as sportsmanship is concerned, a great game, or a poor game. Players will then lose points based on the amount of poor games which they have recieved over the weekend. This will obviously mean no most sporting opponent award, but they feel that a fairer system overall is more important. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 09:40 AM
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Bravo! That looks like it would solve the whole problem.
Can't agree with those who whine about GW tournies and talk about boycotts. Apart from a few minor things, BB2005 was an excellent tournament. |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 12:06 PM
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Oh there was one thing missing from this year that I know at least 40 other Coach's asked for
A FREE BEER
I mean how are you supposed to get into the Mad Capped Spirit of things if your not drunk enough to try those Crazy things that if you were sobber would never be though of and never tryed  |
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Posted: May 10, 2005 - 12:41 PM
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Well I had a good (but busy ) time, lot of issues that were raised last year were addressed, I think it just gets better.
Agree about the sportsmanship tho', there was an awful lot of marking each other up type of thing going on, it's a little more than ironic, it actually specifically hurt those who were honest enough to mark a great game as exactly that and not participate in cheesy back scratching. (I gave 4 great and 2 classic btw). That said, I couldn't give a stuff about final standing (just W L D), but the rounds (inc the final) should have gone on Points/TD/Cas/Sports and not Points/Sports/TD/Cas. (Apart from anything else, that was naturally going to match up the people prepared to dish out max points!!!!  ). If they fix that then I'd be happy enough with the scoring system. |
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Post subject: Re: The Bloodbowl
Posted: May 10, 2005 - 01:02 PM
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