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 Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 10:06 AM
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Then what will you do when LRB6 comes out....switch to 5, or stay with 4?
My point is, you need to evolve with the game. When the original 4th edition came out my league was totally against it and we played with 3rd edition with a bunch of house rules added in for a long time. Then we when started playing with other people and in tournaments, we felt like beginners. Since then we have always played the newest rules set, sometimes even before they are official! |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 10:29 AM
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jpeletis wrote: My point is, you need to evolve with the game.
Actually the game needed to evolve with us not us to the game. That's how we got LRB4. The LRB5 isn't evolution. Evolution would have been to allow the tournament scene to grow into it's own. Instead we're slapped back to square one with new rosters, skills, costs, cards, etc. All of which need to be tournament balanced all over again. |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 10:43 AM
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What's better? A 36-man LRB 4 tourney, or a 20-man LRB 5 tourney
If LRB5 is the current rules set then I would say that a 20 man lrb 5 tourney is better way to go.
If you get right down to it you need to realise that the rules has changed/evolved and we need to move on with them. This happenes in all the GW based games and you hear the same bitching everytime. I bet if I took the time or even cared to I would see the same people who are bitchin' now be the ones who bitched when lrb 4 came out.
Anyway try and rememebr its a game and if you do not like the rules then don t play the game.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 02:04 PM
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Instead we're slapped back to square one with new rosters, skills, costs, cards, etc. All of which need to be tournament balanced all over again
Back to square one? What cards? Are you kidding me? The differences from LRB 4 to 5 in respect to tournament play are so minimal these kind of statements just show the kind of blind hatred and ignorance some people have to this switch over. If you want to bitch about LRB 5 in respect to league play, I m fine with that. There are radical changes there (some I think are good, some I think are awful). But for tourney play you re talking a few much needed roster changes and a handful of new skills. For the most part, unless you re keen to play Ogres, DEs or Norse (none of which are particularly popular tourney teams) the change will be largely transparent.
Go play 1st edition if you are so blindly against change. This is GW s game... every single system they have does this... new editions come... players adapt and you move on. The ones who d rather hold their breath until their faces turn purple than stay current can be left behind. No big loss. |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 04:50 PM
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bampf wrote: If you want to bitch about LRB 5 in respect to league play, I m fine with that. There are radical changes there (some I think are good, some I think are awful). But for tourney play you re talking a few much needed roster changes and a handful of new skills. For the most part, unless you re keen to play Ogres, DEs or Norse (none of which are particularly popular tourney teams) the change will be largely transparent.
Actually I've stayed pretty far away from any league discussion of the PBBL rules for the simple fact that I havn't played league in years. It's really not a form of the game I'm interested in and I've said many times that these rules are probably fine for league play. Tournament play though is a different game.
Norse aren't a popular tourney team. You're kidding right?
Fan Favorite, Fend, Grab, Sneaky Git, Titchy, Wrestle, to but name a few of the new skills, never mind the modified ones, are more than a hand full of new skills. That's like saying we'll remove block and dodge from the game and nothing will change.
bampf wrote: Go play 1st edition if you are so blindly against change. This is GW s game... every single system they have does this... new editions come... players adapt and you move on. The ones who d rather hold their breath until their faces turn purple than stay current can be left behind. No big loss.
Actually it's not GW's game but that's a whole other discussion. When GW decided to abandon BB for a decade I guess those of us who still played the game were pretty darn stupid and should have just followed the shepherd and done the same. Man what were we doing thinking for ourselves. Boy were we blind. Maybe there's a few amongst the crowd who like to think for themselves instead of being lead around blindly for no better reason than whim and fancy. |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 05:37 PM
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It's our game. f*&k gw.
I'll go wherever snew, xtreme, phil, omm, mrinprophet, karl, and the rest of my boys are. Hell, I don't even have to play. I'd prefer to, but it's not the real reason. |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 06:46 PM
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GW had very little to do with this latest rules change.....
It is more about the people at this point. I'm gonna miss the mafia and my old league.
My main dislikes in non-league bloodbowl: the new fouling rules, the messing with skaven roster, norse roster, losing bad kick, adding new positionals, messing with big guys...surprisingly the treeman is now the cheapest big guy----- |
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Posted: Jun 21, 2006 - 09:13 PM
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 02:46 AM
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Zinak wrote: Quote:
What's better? A 36-man LRB 4 tourney, or a 20-man LRB 5 tourney
If LRB5 is the current rules set then I would say that a 20 man lrb 5 tourney is better way to go.
Guess that's where we differ then. I'd rather attend a tourney were I can catch up with 35 other guys that I might not see again for a few months, rather than a tourney were only 19 of them turn up, just because it's playing the "official" rules.
Quote: If you get right down to it you need to realise that the rules has changed/evolved and we need to move on with them.
Why? Why do I "need to move on"? I can happily play BB at my club in a league, and I attend 5 or 6 tourneys a year happily playing LRB 4, with many more if I had the time/money. All the tourneys I go to are well attended. Why would I be happy to see a reduction in attendees and/or tourneys, just to be up-to-date?
Quote: I bet if I took the time or even cared to I would see the same people who are bitchin' now be the ones who bitched when lrb 4 came out.
Well, can't speak for others, but I thought LRB 1-4 were improvements, and welcomed them. Can't say the same for LRB 5.
Quote: Anyway try and rememebr its a game and if you do not like the rules then don t play the game.
I do remember it's a game, and I enjoy playig it against friends, which is why I'd rather play a fun version with more mates, rather than a "new" version with fewer. |
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 03:40 AM
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Darkson wrote: What's better? A 36-man LRB 4 tourney, or a 20-man LRB 5 tourney?
Bigger is better  I really couldn't care less about the rules used. |
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 05:34 AM
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I suspect this edition will be like the gold. oops, shouldn't have mentioned it.  |
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 12:57 PM
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Fan Favorite, Fend, Grab, Sneaky Git, Titchy, Wrestle, to but name a few of the new skills, never mind the modified ones, are more than a hand full of new skills. That's like saying we'll remove block and dodge from the game and nothing will change.
Now that s about the silliest statement I ve heard in this discussion yet. In a tourney format where people choose around half a dozen skills you think those additions will make that much difference? Compared to Block and Dodge?
First off two of the skills you ve listed can t even be selected. Add in juggernaut and kick return and that s it. A couple of which you ll never see taken in tourney play. That s a handful.
I m in my fifth league using the new skills (save for some of the later additions like Sneaky Git) with over 560 games played with them! I ve yet to see any one of them to be overpowered. Rarely is one even selected. People will still always take Block, Dodge, Tackle and Guard first because they re still the most powerful and useful skills. The overall impact will be minimal. Coming from 500+ games experience, I assure you of that. The sky is not falling. It s still BloodBowl. Give it a try and you ll see that. |
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 09:19 PM
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KarlLagerbottom wrote: gken1 wrote: ...surprisingly the treeman is now the cheapest big guy-----
I guess the Iron Chefs must have had a coupon. 
You know folks ... if you are going to slam me ... it would be appreciated if you actually read the rules so that you at least slammed me for valid reasons.
The Treeman is not the cheapest big guy. Brian already rolled out his Galak abused this and that with the power of the Halfling team and its background ... at least he used a chair with three legs (although he and I beg to differ if they were shaped like a triangle or a line) instead of the two legged comment I just read.
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On a side note ... I've played dozens of games at TV 100 with the LRB 5.0 rules and they play the same to me in everyway that actually matters ... so I'll go to any tournament I can get to whether LRB 4.0 or LRB 5.0 ... because playing the game is the only thing that matters to me.
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 - 09:34 PM
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CyberHare wrote: Trouble maker
who me? 
you think LRB 5.0 sucks, you just wait until you see LRB 6.0.  |
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