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 Posted: May 20, 2004 - 03:20 PM
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slup wrote: Modification means all modifiers: very sunny, foul app, TZ, accurate and range modifiers.
We know that. We know that ours is a house rule, and has been ever since we started playing that way 10 years ago. |
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Posted: May 20, 2004 - 03:23 PM
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slup wrote: A professionel Blood Bowl thrower (accurate and strong arm) also only fumbles at any range on a pure 1 (with no other modifiers than range).
He will fumble on a 3 with two tackle zones, while a short pass with the same two tackle zones would only have him fumble on a 1. Doesn't make sense at all. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 12:02 AM
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Zombie wrote: slup wrote: Modification means all modifiers: very sunny, foul app, TZ, accurate and range modifiers.
We know that. We know that ours is a house rule, and has been ever since we started playing that way 10 years ago.
I was explaining the rule to Squig87 who asked for it, hence the quote. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 12:12 AM
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Zombie wrote: slup wrote: A professionel Blood Bowl thrower (accurate and strong arm) also only fumbles at any range on a pure 1 (with no other modifiers than range).
He will fumble on a 3 with two tackle zones, while a short pass with the same two tackle zones would only have him fumble on a 1. Doesn't make sense at all.
Defenders trying to sack a quarterback are doing their best to knock the ball out of the hand of him increasing the risk of a fumble.
If you are going to make a pass 2/3 down the field you are going to have the ball in a very vulnerable position, whereas a quick pass can be made with a flick of your hand under your belly. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 04:40 AM
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Zombie wrote: Well, show me an instance where a professional quarterback ever fumbled a long throw with no pressure whatsoever and i'll be impressed. If this happens more than once every million throws, i'd be surprised. Fumbling with pressure, now that's common.
My view of it wasn't so much for the specialist throwers who have the skills to ensure that they don't drop the ball very often, if ever. but the differnce between a high elf thrower with accurate/strong arm and an unskilled halfling is huge. The halfling trying to go for a long throw would stand a much higher chance of fumbling (especially when you consider that the size of the ball doesn't change but a halflings hand is much smaller than that of a normal sized player). so a 50% fumble chance would seem reasonable. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 05:18 AM
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Zombie wrote: Well, show me an instance where a professional quarterback ever fumbled a long throw with no pressure whatsoever and i'll be impressed. If this happens more than once every million throws, i'd be surprised. Fumbling with pressure, now that's common.
Professional quarterbacks don't have to throw balls with spikes on. Blood Bowl throwers do. I reckon that would pretty much account for the increased fumble rate. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 05:47 AM
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 07:49 AM
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slup wrote: Defenders trying to sack a quarterback are doing their best to knock the ball out of the hand of him increasing the risk of a fumble.
If you are going to make a pass 2/3 down the field you are going to have the ball in a very vulnerable position, whereas a quick pass can be made with a flick of your hand under your belly.
If there's nobody around you (no tackle zones), then the ball is not in a vulnerable position. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 07:50 AM
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BenArd wrote: My view of it wasn't so much for the specialist throwers who have the skills to ensure that they don't drop the ball very often, if ever. but the differnce between a high elf thrower with accurate/strong arm and an unskilled halfling is huge. The halfling trying to go for a long throw would stand a much higher chance of fumbling (especially when you consider that the size of the ball doesn't change but a halflings hand is much smaller than that of a normal sized player). so a 50% fumble chance would seem reasonable.
Then an ogre throwing the ball should never fumble at all.
Keep the player's size out of this. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 09:00 AM
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This is just getting ridiculous. I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a forum where people were able to express their views and opinions and discuss them in a mature and sensible manner.
As i have said in almost all my posts on this subject, these are my opinions. I'm not suggesting that because you have house ruled it a different way that you are wrong and should change it. That is the whole point of huose rules, they allow you to modify the generic rule set to suit your leagues.
My previous comment was merely supposed to be an indicative example and I am not saying that the size of a player is 'the' deciding factor for throwing a ball.
In effect what your saying is that a Halfling/Goblin/Saurus throwing a longpass/long bomb would have no more chance of fumbling the football than an Elf thrower with Strong Arm and Accurate and an AG of 6. I just happen to disagee with this.
Zombie wrote: If there's nobody around you (no tackle zones), then the ball is not in a vulnerable position.
I would agree that 99% of the time there is not a vulnerability when performing this play but surely you must concede that in some situations there would be a chance that the ball may be fumbled. i.e. wet ball slipping out of your hands, sweaty hands (could be a last ditch play trying to avoid defeat in a final) and in the above examples then the distance would you are trying to throw would increase the chances of dropping the ball as a little dolly holding a wet ball is far easier than launching it miles upfield. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 09:24 AM
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Zombie wrote: slup wrote: Defenders trying to sack a quarterback are doing their best to knock the ball out of the hand of him increasing the risk of a fumble.
If you are going to make a pass 2/3 down the field you are going to have the ball in a very vulnerable position, whereas a quick pass can be made with a flick of your hand under your belly.
If there's nobody around you (no tackle zones), then the ball is not in a vulnerable position.
Then we are back at square 1 in which a professionel Blood Bowl thrower (accurate and strong arm, similar to a qarterback) is passing at any range with fumbles at only natural ones which was my initial post.
I am beginning to suspect that you only read things outside the quote box  |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 10:44 AM
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 10:56 AM
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BenArd wrote: In effect what your saying is that a Halfling/Goblin/Saurus throwing a longpass/long bomb would have no more chance of fumbling the football than an Elf thrower with Strong Arm and Accurate and an AG of 6. I just happen to disagee with this.
This about it. Those players know they're not as good at throwing the ball. Their primary objective will probably be to get it down field, and they won't be too serious about their accuracy. In the same vein, in real football, non-quarterbacks attempting a pass rarely if ever fumble the ball, but they're rarely accurate either.
BenArd wrote: I would agree that 99% of the time there is not a vulnerability when performing this play but surely you must concede that in some situations there would be a chance that the ball may be fumbled. i.e. wet ball slipping out of your hands, sweaty hands (could be a last ditch play trying to avoid defeat in a final) and in the above examples then the distance would you are trying to throw would increase the chances of dropping the ball as a little dolly holding a wet ball is far easier than launching it miles upfield.
Maybe we should add in our house rules that under "pouring rain", there's a -1 to fumbles. Other than that, i really can't think of another situation where you're likely to fumble without an opponent near you. But if you could name more, i'd like to hear them. |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 10:57 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote: slup - don't argue with Zombie. He never surrenders!
I've been known to surrender when presented with an irrefutable argument! |
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Posted: May 21, 2004 - 11:00 AM
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slup wrote: Zombie wrote: If there's nobody around you (no tackle zones), then the ball is not in a vulnerable position.
Then we are back at square 1 in which a professionel Blood Bowl thrower (accurate and strong arm, similar to a qarterback) is passing at any range with fumbles at only natural ones which was my initial post.
Then we're back to my argument that non-quarterbacks should only fumble at a 1 in the same circumstance. |
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