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 Posted: Feb 19, 2004 - 07:39 PM
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Hello all - as Commissioner of a local league, this is one of the few questions that I am having difficulty with. The scenario is this: a player carrying the ball goes down, due to a successful block or a failed dodge attempt.
Question: does the ball scatter (a) from the square where the ball carrier was last STANDING, or (b) from the square where the player is now on the ground? And if the answer is (b), I then assume that if the player is pushed off the field, the crowd would throw the ball back into play.
Thank you in advance for clearing this up for me.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2004 - 07:44 PM
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| (b), and your assumption is correct. Remember however that throw-ins are always made from the square where the ball left the filed, not the potential imaginary square in the stands where it ended up. This is one thing that so many people are playing wrong that it's often worth mentioning. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2004 - 07:50 PM
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| Fabulous - it's nice to know that I got this one right. Thanks Zombie! |
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Posted: Feb 19, 2004 - 08:31 PM
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| No problem. And welcome to the NAF! |
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Posted: Feb 19, 2004 - 10:33 PM
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On a related note:
We have the throw-in right in our league, but there is a little confusion
when it comes to a scattered pass going out.
I have always explained the 3d8 scatter as a mechanisim to randomise the
landing square of an inaccurate pass --- which of course it is.
(eg) a ball is inaccurate, first scatter is rolled & it goes into a square with
a player in it --- he cant catch it because it hasnt even come down yet.
But if this first square is off the pitch, what do we do?
We used to use imaginary sqaures to work out if the ball was coming back in on the 2nd or 3rd scatter, but I am not sure that this is correct.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 02:25 AM
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| If its off the pitch, don't roll further scatter - just chuck it back in normally. |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 06:19 AM
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| Wrong. Keep rolling until you get the final landing square. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 06:29 AM
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| No, once it's off the pitch it's off, there is no further scatter and the crowd does throw it back in. |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 06:34 AM
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I can't find a reference in the rule book or the 2003 RR. Was this in the 2002 RR?
I'm 90% sure I've seen a comment along the lines of "there are no imaginary squares". |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 06:55 AM
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| The ball hasn't even travelled there. You're still in the process of figuring out where it will land. There's no reason for it to go in the crowd until you've rolled the three scatters and know where it's going. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 06:55 AM
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Mordredd wrote: No, once it's off the pitch it's off, there is no further scatter and the crowd does throw it back in.
True, but it's not off the pitch yet! |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 07:03 AM
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Zombie - I'm sure I've seen an official clarification that you don't continue to scatter once its off the board. I just can't find the reference - which makes me think it was in the 2002 Rules Review.
Anyone got a copy of it handy to check? |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 07:27 AM
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Doubleskulls wrote: Zombie - I'm sure I've seen an official clarification that you don't continue to scatter once its off the board.
I would agree with that if it were off the board, but it's not!
If such a clarification exists, it's stupid and i would never accept it. "Clarifications" that go against the rules as stated in the book are just wrong. If there's a contradiction between what the book says and the "clarification" says, then the book should have priority. |
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 07:29 AM
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| I just checked my copy of the RR 2002 FAQs... it ain't there. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2004 - 07:41 AM
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Although i do understand Zombie's arguments, I'm amost 100% sure that Ian is right there and this has been officially ruled differently.
I remember the line of argument, that there are no squares outside the pitch, so as soon as the ball leaves the field squares DURING the scatter, it's treated as landing OOP. |
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