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 Posted: Jun 22, 2003 - 06:13 PM
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GalakStarscraper wrote: I'm thinking about opening a tournament section on blood-bowl.net to host a list of standard tournament formats and rules that are well received ... I know that this site has some of that, but b-b.net is more hit and free so maybe we can help the masses get a little better clue.
Tom
Tom this is exactly the kind of content we want here. I've been thinking alone these lines for a while now, a selection of different rulesets that have been used (e.g. Resurrection and it's variants), but never seem to find the time to get it done. Seriously, it'd be perfect in the 'Sections-Tournaments' (which so far just has the 'How To..' doc; some different tourney rulesets alongside would kick ass). If you do this for blood-bowl.net, submit it for inclusion here too please.
P.S. Only the forums here are members only, pretty much everything else is accessible to all. |
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Posted: Jun 22, 2003 - 11:13 PM
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OK - dedicated IP/cable modem is behaving like 28.8 tonight, so I'll try this once more before I call it a night . . .)
Just returned from Baltimore and trying to catch up - these thoughts first:
a. I don't 'feel' like the champion - I think most of those who were there thought Mike Roswick with his Norse team deserved the championship. Mike was undefeated (3-0-0) headed into the last round and was a superb sportsman during our final match. I'll post more later both here and at house-rulez, but Mike was a gentleman and I am pretty sure he was as mystified as were most of the rest of us at the outcome. I felt pretty helpless and just wanted Mike to know that I believe he was the best overall player this past weekend. No sense of false modesty - just an honest feeling, shared by most, that the scoring did not reflect what we all experienced and witnessed. I talked to the scorers after the awards ceremony and after reading the Rogue Trader guidelines, rule set, and scoring tables, there were lots of possible outcomes, but there was certainly a level of frustration - not 'walk out the door' stuff - from wanting to prepare and understand what was happening, and not being given the information that was needed.
b. It was truly great to meet player and fellow enthusiasts of the game - the camaraderie was just superb. First game was against Jay Deckman(whom Galak had already warned me about!) and his Wood Elves, meeting DaTodfatha and the PSU folk (and swallowing a little humble pie!  ), swapping hotshot one-liners with the "Mad Doctor" John - commish of the NJBBL, Jason, Mike, Cole, everyone seemed to be enjoying the BB weekend. For me, this is so central - if others witness us having a great time, it has to spread.
c. Deathwing: on first glance, the NAF number was four, though there might have been one or two more. The final count was 18 players - which though not too big, is far better than the 5 or 6 I thought might be there (which speaks volumes to the number of pretty serious BB players who aren't aware of NAF yet, much less have signed up).
d. Too many other things that are appropriate elsewhere: impressions of my first Gamesday, interview with Tim Huckelbery on the state and future of BB, conversation with Vince Rospond and Black Library's willingness to publish BB-themed fiction (Dan Abnett mentioned he's considered writing a BB story something like "Field of Dreams" without all the psychoanalysis.), how American players are way behind Europeans in terms of their overall organization and their commitment to tournament play, being ambassadors of the game, etc etc.
Finally, if anyone has pictures of the new BB figures (Jaylazer - I think you said your group might have some) please forward to my email; mine did not turn out well and I think there were some on display that have not been online yet. I will simply echo comments posted elsewhere that the new minis (esp. the Ogre cheeleader and the new Elves side) are superb.
OK, better stop here so I've got something to give to Brian for HR (image of editor in 'Spiderman': "Crap. Crap, Barely passable. Crap. Jeez, kid, you suck!")
To everyone at GD-Baltimore - a parting glass. Full marks to the players since I believe the group made the weekend pretty damn awesome!
Hope to see familiar faces at GenCon and Chaos Cup!
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 07:28 AM
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A tournament is only as good as the man or team organizing it.
GW just saying ... oh a Games Day Event ... better have a tournament does not equal a good event
Just reviewing what I wrote last night for coherency. Still makes sense I trust.
I certainly agree with Tom that the tourney is only as good as the those hosting but I believe it fair to expect that when GW hosts a tournament, they are organized and reasonable. Baltimore was by no means a complete shambles, but the player's lack of knowing what to expect and not giving some allowances when available diminished an otherwise great time.
On first glance, there appears to be a gap of awareness between the Specialist people who engage the BB boards and a large proportion of the GW staff who come to BB from inside WH looking out. This gap has to do with the nature of BB and its community as well as the game's differences from standard RT games.
Unlike the Blood Bowl, GenCon, Chaos Cup (I received a copy of the Cup rules from Tim Huckelbery BTW), et al tournaments, important rules considerations were left until 5 minutes before tournament start - SPs in or out, value of sportsmanship, team building, and painting, whether LRB understandings were to be considered, etc. This affected team choice, results judging (I for one scored all of my opponents as high as possible - if I had know that Sportsmanship would be quite important, I might have been more discriminating, and so others.) Am not at all saying that Sportmanship cannot or even should not be the most important factor - in reading the RTT Guidebook, it is clearly the factor most stressed in this play - just pointing out that knowing this ahead of time would have been helpful. This is where it appears that GW staff are unaware of the communications and interaction (discussions regarding rules and usage, preference of formats and tourney setup, etc.) of the BB community and the Specialist staff.
(As an aside - one benefit of getting these things established up front is to assist the newer tournament players as to rules usage and determinings - several players I ran into were familiar only with older rulesets and by posting, sending the players or having a factsheet availble upon sign in would have cleared away any confusion.)
I share DaTodfatha's feelings but for me it's the 'Band of Brothers' (and Sisters' - huzzah Shoshanna and her mighty Humans!) enjoyment. This weekend probably points to the several places that need organization and effort - I look forward to the work because I believe the outcome is going to be awesome - great gameplay, growth in interest in the game, and greater fun for all.
OK, I'll pipe down for awhile
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 02:18 PM
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I totally agree. The players themselves were fantastic. In fact, any lapse of organization was completely compensated for by the enthusiasm of the Coaches.
The US is a big place and there are few enough events that one can make it to, so I was disappointed this one wasn't NAF-sanctioned. though my 1-2-1 record may have lost me points anyway.  hehehehehe
OMM you mentioned a tournament at the RTT in Charlotte in August is that a definite? IS there somebody running it?
I spoke about NAF and TBB to each of my opponents and was surprised at how few know about the "BB Community at Large!" But we are getting the word out. |
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 02:28 PM
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| Todd - I got the impression that Milo, one of the BBRC guys would be going to the Charlotte tourney. It's fairly close to his home base. I wish I had more information on it, though. Out of curiosity, did you play your Orcs again? |
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 03:21 PM
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The link I found was this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/news/us/events/GT-2003/Rules/Rules.htm#SpecialistRules
From talking to the people I met at ConCarolina in May, there will be a Blood Bowl tournament as part of the Charlotte GT, similar to the Baltimore Rogue Trader tournaments. It's just three games - I will try to find out if RTT scoring will apply and any other info.
I have requested the RTT Guidelines be added to the downloads available on their site - this is one way GW can point players in advance to the point system that is planned.
Glad everyone made it home safely.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 06:40 PM
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Well I sent Milo an email, He's my Commish (on sabbatical), and he said that he hadn't heard anything about the Charlotte GT except that it might include a BB tourney. I might be able to make it.
Skummy do I know you or have spoken about my orcs before? Yes, I played them, though not very well. My first game was against Rozman and his blasted Norse. I lost 3-0 and he killed my goblin.
Game 2 was against a fairly inexperienced Skaven coach that I beat 2-1, though a second half blitz really screwed him.
Game 3 was against the aforementioned Shoshanna with her humans. This was a fun game as we realized that we were in the bottom echelons of the rankings and settled in to play for fun. We tied 1-1. Good game.
Game 4 was against the Lizards Tony Stoyanov. Good guy, fun game. Lost 2-0.
not a real good showing of what the greenies can do, but a good time all the same. I am eager to play my experienced Orks in a league match now. In fact I have a Norse team lined up for next weekend. I doubt I'll win any sportsmanship awards in that one.  |
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 07:46 PM
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First, I'd like to say that it was great to meet all the guys (and gal) that I met at the tourney. I had a great time in all my games and everyone was a great sport.
Like the other guys, I wasn't very happy with how the tourney was run. The other guys have pretty much mentioned all the problems so I wont go into that. I'm hoping that if me give them some good feedback they'll be able to run it better next year.
My friend did get some pictures of the new mini's. I don't know how they turned out. I'll check with him and find out. Once I get some copies I'll post them so everyone can see. |
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Posted: Jun 23, 2003 - 10:19 PM
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I just wanted to say what an amazing time I had at the tourney at Games Day Baltimore.
I think most people took the lack of information about the points system/ table assignment criteria/ rankings and ran with it. If you don't know how it's all being measured, you can't waste too much of your time worrying about it 
The only stress I really experienced was fitting a 16 turn game into an hour against Da Todfatha in Round 1, and then trying not to embarass myself in my first exposure to the BBowl community outside of Raleigh.
Well, maybe as the crowd gathered towards the end of my final game with Old Man Monkey I got a little tense, but he was such a great guy to play that it didn't really get to me. Nothing like having most everybody else in the tournament watching your every move as time is running down to make you a bit self-conscious 
On the whole, I'd have to say that while the tournament may only be as good as the man or team organizing it, it's the participants who really make it memorable. Regardless of how well/poorly run it might be, you're not going to have a good time unless there are good people playing, and I know I had a great time with everybody I met.
I hope to make the GT in Charlotte and run into some of the folks again. |
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Posted: Jun 25, 2003 - 11:27 AM
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Deathwing wrote: Tom this is exactly the kind of content we want here. I've been thinking alone these lines for a while now, a selection of different rulesets that have been used (e.g. Resurrection and it's variants), but never seem to find the time to get it done. Seriously, it'd be perfect in the 'Sections-Tournaments'
I plan on doing this ... too much painting to do for the GenCon Bowl ... but I will do this and get it posted on both sites.
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