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Post subject: Hail Mary and Diving Catch
 Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 11:36 AM
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I can't find a proper answer to the question so I post it as a new item:
How does the Hail Mary Pass work in conjunction with Diving Catch?
Hail Mary asks for the ball thrown to any square in the field (inaccuratly).
Diving Catch asks for the ball being thrown to the person having DC-Skill.
Which of the following is correct:
a) Does that mean I declare a HMP to be thrown to the DC person and after scattering the ball (assuming it wasn't fumbled) the ball is about to land (before bouncing the ball) in of the 8 squares around the DC guy?
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b) is it possible to have a bunch of DC guys standing nearby and the HMP is thrown into an empty square in between these DC receivers and when it "lands" close by any of the DC receivers I can use him to catch it?
I think a) is correct, but b) isn't. Could anybody (besides Zombie  ) give their comment. |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 12:00 PM
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| a) is correct - only the intended target of the pass can make a DC move. |
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Post subject: Diving Catch
Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 02:43 PM
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The correct answer (that Zombie would give if permitted) is that Diving Catch can only be used by the player the ball was thrown to, so no other player with Diving Catch can Dive for it. The fact that Hail Mary Pass is always inaccurate does not alter the fact that you have to nominate a square that you are aiming at, so we know who is eligible to dive for it.
However, what is often overlooked is that the Diving Catch player can dive for the ball even if it is not landing adjacent to him (or her). After working out the 3 scatter squares the Diving catch player is permitted to move 1 square in any direction (not necessarily towards the ball). After the Diving Catch player has made this move the ball lands and any player in that square can try to catch it. If there is no player there it will bounce once.
The rule allows the DC player to move towards the ball even it it is out of reach (on the 3rd scatter roll) because it could still bounce back in that direction. However, the dive could be used just to get the player out of trouble since it does not require a dodge roll.
You could still use DC even if the ball was landing on another player of the same team, but not if the Hail Mary happened to scatter back to the target square. |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 04:41 PM
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Quote: The correct answer (that Zombie would give if permitted)
Why do you say that? He didn't get banned, did he? |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 05:14 PM
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Because Tojurub said:
Quote: Could anybody (besides Zombie ) give their comment.
It's humour  |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 05:46 PM
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aww, he wrote that at the end of his question... who reads that far?  |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 08:07 PM
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Darkson wrote: Because Tojurub said:
Quote: Could anybody (besides Zombie ) give their comment.
It's humour
I didn't forbid him to answer, but he's usually the first to answer and I wanted to make sure I get more opinions...maybe I phrased it wrong, hope I didn't hurt his feelings 
@Bevan: Thank you for your answer with that additional insight...didn't think about that  |
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Posted: Mar 04, 2004 - 08:14 PM
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| No harm done. Anyway, Bevan was there to give the proper answer, and in more details than i would have. I don't think i've seen a single post by Bevan in the last 3 or 4 years that i didn't agree with, so i guess when you see something from him, you know i support that statement. Whether that's good or bad for him, that's for you to decide! |
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Posted: May 04, 2004 - 10:08 AM
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Old topic, I know, but I still have 1 more question on the Diving Catch Skill:
As Bevan said - and I read it in the Rules - you don´t have to reach the square where the Ball ends after the scatter. So, if there is an opposing player in the square where the Ball ends after the inaccurate pass, can you "Diving Catch" in his Tackle Zone to give him a -1 Modifier to catch the Ball? The Skill description of DC says: "...a player using a Diving Catch ends up on the ground for a moment (...) he will almost instantly regain his feet."
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Posted: May 04, 2004 - 04:28 PM
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| Yes. |
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They will slowly add bits of the vault in on each RR leading up to 2007, starting with LRB 4.0, so it will be a slow and agonising death for BB.
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Posted: May 05, 2004 - 08:31 AM
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Thanx for this quick answer. But one more question: Say players are standing like in the following diagram:
XXX
XTX
YYY
XCX
where T=Thrower and C=Catcher with Diving Catch. Then the Thrower fumbles while passing to the Catcher. The Ball Bounce from the Thrower to one of the 3 squares marked Y in the diagram. Can the Catcher still use Diving Tackle and try to catch the Ball? Of course it´s a Turnover because of the Fumble, but I think it is still better if one of your players has the Ball than it lies somewhere on the field.
And to top it all another example (because I think it is an interesting tactical move worth to think about):
XXXX
XTXX
XBAX
XXXX
XCXX
XXXX
Say T=Thrower with Ball and Dump-Off, B=Opponent player blocking the Thrower with one Assist=A. C=Catcher with Diving Catch of same Team as the Thrower.
Now B blocks the Thrower with one Assist and assumed they both have equal strength with 2 Dice his favor because the assist. Now the Thrower make a quick pass to C and the pass is inaccurate, so the Catcher with Diving Catch moves one square to end like this:
XXXX
XTXX
XBAX
CXXX
XXXX
and it is a Block with only one Blocking Die. And what if the Catcher would have Guard and the Blocking Assist (B) wouldn´t? Then it could end with two dice your favor like the following:
XXXX
XTXX
XBAX
XCXX
XXXX
No matter where the Dump-Off-Pass goes!
Or am I wrong?? If I´m not wrong then a "Dump-Off/Diving Tackle" Combination could be more useful than I ever imagined...
(And sorry about my English - it´s not may native language) |
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Posted: May 05, 2004 - 09:22 AM
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"The player may use this skill if the ball was thrown to him and missed."
So you can't use it on a fumble, only inaccurate passes.
The dump off example looks correct. |
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Posted: May 06, 2004 - 08:00 AM
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the LRB says:
"The player may use this skill if the ball was thrown to him and
missed."
I assumed up to now that by rolling the dice to see the outcome of the throw, this would actually mean that the thrower performs a throw. Thus, the ball is 'technically' thrown. Consequently, I regarded a fumble as a miss (since the intedned target wasn't hit properly). -->the player with diving catch may use his skill.
So a fumble is NOT a miss? 
Sputnik
P.S.: referring to the diving catch/dumpoff example: so a player with diving catch and guard could, in case the dump off is targeted towards him and a miss, even turn this into a two dice-defenders choice scenario?? |
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Posted: May 06, 2004 - 09:43 AM
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 Lets find a better ruling.
pp 34 "It allows the player to move one square after the ball has scattered."
A fumble results in a bounce, not a scatter - so you can't DC a fumble 
I quite like the DC/Guard/Dump Off idea - that's one tricky combo. |
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