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Post subject: Stunned and Stupid
 Posted: Sep 24, 2004 - 06:46 AM
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Do big guys with bonehead (or extremely stupid) have to take a stupidity check before just rolling over when stunned? I mean, it says they have to check before performing an action, is just rolling over considered an action? I mean it's not like they're literally "rolling over"!
I encountered this for the first time during the Spike! and am wondering how other people deal with this, and if there is a more clear intereprtation of the rules.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2004 - 08:01 AM
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| That's how we've always done it, I don't think there is an official ruling on this (at least that I'm aware of). |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2004 - 09:39 AM
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I just re-read the rules on bonehead which says that the player has to
"roll a d6 after declaring an action for the player, but before taking the action with the player".
I then looked up "stunned" on the injury chart which reads:
"....all they may do for their next action is turn face up".
I guess this answers my question!  ooff! |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2004 - 11:19 AM
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| The official ruling is that you must roll to unstun. The official ruling is pretty dumb and will probably be overruled in November. |
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Posted: Nov 09, 2004 - 03:25 PM
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| i thought in an older rule set it was stated that even the dummest creatures had enuff smarts to roll over |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 02:15 AM
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Strangely enough, rolling over is considered an action, as Spazzfist rightly said, but standing up is not.
The paragraph on pg 12, Standing up, doesn't say it's an action.
So a Bonehead is too stupid to get on his back, but not to stand up? Gosh, these Big Guys really ARE morons |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 02:27 AM
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| Isn't Standing part of a move, or Blitz action? |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 02:53 AM
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Call me picky, but it only says "a player can stand up at a cost of three squares from his movement", nothing more.
It doesn't say standing up counts as the players movement for that turn anywhere.
Now,if he had Movement left and intended to move, THAT would be the Action called Movement. But ONLY standing up, and not moving afterwards? A smartass or rules lawyer might object these aren't the same (call me smartass on this one, I deserve it  ).
Anyway, no serious Coach would object to rolling over without a Bonehead roll.
The rule is badly written,and the Rules Review will probably make it clear rolling over is ot an Action in the common sense and doesn't necessitate a dice roll (I hope the Vamps will finally become official, and they too would have to roll for Bloodthirts/OFAB when on their backs, so I'm all for skipping the dice roll) |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 04:31 AM
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Zombie wrote: The official ruling is pretty dumb and will probably be overruled in November.
The official ruling is not dumb, being based on an accurate reading of the rules I would say it was perfectly intelligent. They are not proposing to overrule it either; they are proposing to change the rule.
Graf_Arnhelm wrote: It doesn't say standing up counts as the players movement for that turn anywhere.
It doesn't have to as you can only use MA when taking an action that involves moving (you know move, blitz, pass or foul).
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 06:13 AM
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Graf_Arnhelm wrote: Call me picky, but it only says "a player can stand up at a cost of three squares from his movement", nothing more.
It doesn't say standing up counts as the players movement for that turn anywhere
You're picky...... and a smartass!
I think that is getting awfully lawyerish of you Graf. Three squares of movement is movement. Moving is an action and actions require rolls. I don't like it either, but I plays by the rules.
Maybe they are so entranced by the clouds and cloud-animals that they forget to stand. 
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 07:42 AM
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Guess I'll have to change my name to Graf_Smartass then  |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 02:58 PM
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Graf - not only rules laywery but wrong too.
pp12 "While prone the player loses his tackle zone and may do nothing
except stand up at a cost of three squares of his movement when he next takes an action." |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 05:11 PM
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| So Stand up is part of an action. Thus for a big guy to stand he would have to make the Roll to determine whether or not he is smart enough to stand. |
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Posted: Nov 10, 2004 - 05:18 PM
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yep!
but the whole rollover thing is changin' in a couple days....the only reason it was silly was because wild animals did it for free but not the others. And the answer was in a FAQ from one of the Rules reviews. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2004 - 01:27 AM
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That's "Stupid_Graf_Smartass" then 
I thought there was something in the FAQ, too, but couldn't find it, that's how I assumed my explanation was right.
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