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Post subject: Help: Shadowing and Diving Tackle
 Posted: Nov 29, 2004 - 08:57 AM
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Can I use Shadowing and after missing the D6 (and therefor not following the opposing palyer) use Diving Tackle?
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Posted: Nov 29, 2004 - 09:44 AM
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I would say no.
To use shadowing your opponent has to have already left the square adjacent to your player. He can't have successfully left that square until the dodge has been resolved fully, which would include the use of the diving tackle skill.
A slightly more obvious example by way of a comparison would be shadowing and tentacles. Obviously you can't go back and make the tentacles roll to stop the dodge once you have allowed it and used shadowing to try and follow. |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2004 - 10:07 AM
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why woudl you use shadowing if using DT would cause them to turnover
use shadowing if DT isn't going to make any difference not the other way around |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2004 - 11:22 AM
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Oh my dear, you are right, first DT and then S! Stupid question...  |
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Posted: Nov 29, 2004 - 07:29 PM
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It wasn't a stupid question. If i could succeed both, i would use shadowing over diving tackle. With shadowing, you force more dodges (and can use both shadowing and diving tackle on those as well). With diving tackle, you end up on the ground and all the opponent has to do is use the dodge skill or a reroll to get clear of this ubber-annoyance.
Of course, the question then comes back to are you allowed to use shadowing first. |
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Posted: Nov 30, 2004 - 04:26 AM
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if the other guy can just use a reroll to suceed at passing the dodge again then i consider that as diving tackle having failed
if using diving tackle guarenteed the turnover I would use it in a second |
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Posted: Nov 30, 2004 - 09:07 PM
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| It may have failed but you're still on the ground, so you can't shadow anymore. I'm still interested in finding out the answer. Can you try to shadow first? |
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Posted: Dec 01, 2004 - 02:45 AM
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Quote: Can you try to shadow first?
I don't think so. There's the timing question.
As I see it, there's a time when an opponent tries to dodge (when you can choose to Diving Tackle), and there's another time, later, when he succeeded in dodging (when you can choose to Shadow).
So the order is: He tries to dodge. I can Diving Tackle him. If I do, he rerolls the dodge roll and with any luck he will fail again and it will be a turnover. If it isn't a turnover, then I am prone and he keeps moving. Only if I choose not to Diving Tackle him, I can Shadow him. If I succeed, then he will have to dodge again.
I think the definitive combo is Shadowing and Tackle. |
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Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:27 PM
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I think the definitive combo is Shadowing and Tackle
shadowing, tackle and prehensile tail  |
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Posted: Dec 21, 2004 - 02:28 AM
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| What about Tackle, Diving Tackle and Prehensile Tail? |
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Posted: Dec 21, 2004 - 02:55 PM
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| They combined as you'd expect - i.e. if you use DT you'll get a -3 modifier on the dodge. Also PT would work on the reroll too. |
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Posted: Dec 21, 2004 - 03:06 PM
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| Since last week I have a gutterrunner with shadowing and prehensile tail, 3TD away from the next upgrade. I'm now looking for side step and than for diving tackle. |
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Posted: Dec 22, 2004 - 02:01 AM
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Quote: Since last week I have a gutterrunner with shadowing and prehensile tail, 3TD away from the next upgrade. I'm now looking for side step and than for diving tackle
For what? Diving tackle and Shadowing isn't any combo. You have to choose which one you use. |
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Posted: Dec 22, 2004 - 09:14 AM
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Tio_Luiso wrote: For what? Diving tackle and Shadowing isn't any combo. You have to choose which one you use.
Sure enough, but if/when a player tries to dodge away from the GR, then Banelord can look at the dice roll, if it will make the player fall he will use his DT and PT, if not then he will shadow and watch again for the next roll, and so on. If this is not a scary combo, I don't know what is! (Unless of course you just thump the weedy rat!)  |
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Posted: Dec 22, 2004 - 02:36 PM
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Zombie wrote: It may have failed but you're still on the ground, so you can't shadow anymore. I'm still interested in finding out the answer. Can you try to shadow first?
sorry Zombie ... I didn't see that question several weeks ago.
No the order of operations would be ..
Dodge attempted ... use Diving Tackle or not.
Player successfully moves away ... now you can use Shadowing or not as you choose.
And yeah ... A Diving Tackle, Tackle, Shadowing, Prehensile Tail Gutter Runner would be almost impossible to get rid of without going through them (ie blitzing) ... add in Side Step and Pass Block and you have a true menace to society ... and you only need one doubles roll in 6 skills to obtain such a defender.
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