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Post subject: Wild Animal and Blitzing...
 Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 12:09 PM
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A player in our league has asked this question:
A wild animal has the ball and is within scoring range:
Should a wild animal be able to declare a 'Blitz' action (getting the benefit of a better roll) but then NOT blitz anyone and go in for the score?
He said this was done to him at the Chaos Cup. Is this legal? |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 12:57 PM
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| It is legal. Some players do not like it, though. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 01:15 PM
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SolarFlare wrote: It is legal. Some players do not like it, though.
It still wastes the blitz and the cow just sits there if they roll a 1, so I don't have a problem with it.
I can see why other people would, though.
Never been in that situation, however. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 02:05 PM
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I think I would have a problem with this. It just seems like rule abuse to me. But hey if it is legal I guess it is legal. It just doesn't sound right.
Blitz: The player may move a number of squares equal to their
MA. He may make one block during the move. The block may be
made at any point during the move, and ???costs??? one square of
movement.
That is straight from the rulebook. So the block is optional. Sucks don't it? |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 02:17 PM
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This can come up frequently... say you need to dodge or leap to make a 1 Die block blitz and blow your RR on that roll. You always have the option of backing out of that risky block. Similar situations arise with declared pass or hand-off actions... blow a much needed RR during your movement you can back out.
However, I agree when combined with WA it feels much more beardy, but it is a valid tactic. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 02:36 PM
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Quote: BLITZ MOVES
Once per turn a player on the moving team is allowed to make a
special Blitz move. A blitz allows the player to move and make a
block. The block may be made at any point during the move, but
costs one square of movement for the player to make. The
player may carry on moving after the effects of the block have
been worked out if he has any squares of movement left.
After discussing it on our board we decided that a block must be made during a blitz action. There is nothing (see above) in LRB 5.0 that says a block action is optional. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 04:07 PM
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| Did you miss the whole MAY statement in my quote. May indicates the optionality of the block. I don't agree with it, but reading the rules it is a valid move. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 04:12 PM
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I believe the 'may' you are referring to means during the blitz you may do the block action at any point of your move, ie. not forced to do it on the 3rd square of movement.
Quote: A blitz allows the player to move and make a block.
Doesn't say the player may make a block, does it? |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 04:53 PM
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Primesupreme wrote: Did you miss the whole MAY statement in my quote. May indicates the optionality of the block. I don't agree with it, but reading the rules it is a valid move.
(Putting on his teacher hat) Actually, "may" can be a misleading word, and does not necessarily mean that there is an option there.
For example, if I were to say: "When I break wind I may laugh at myself." This connotes an option, depending on the sophistication of my sense of humour. But if I were to say: "When I break armour I may roll for an injury" means that it is okay for me to do so, but not an option in this case, just finnicky language.
Primesupreme wrote: Blitz: The player may move a number of squares equal to their
MA. He may make one block during the move. The block may be
made at any point during the move, and ???costs??? one square of
movement.
In this case, all it is saying that the block is made at some point during the move. There is one block to be made, and it may be made at any square the player moves to or before the player moves. The whole section on blitzing would need to be added to be clear on this. (And I am too lazy to look it up right now).
Up until now, it has always been the rule that you could blitz without making a block. Unless LRB5 has changes that, then that would still be the case (unless you house rule it out). |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 05:47 PM
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I think that to prevent accusations of "cheese-head", we're going to house-rule a blitz requires a block somewhere along the movement path in our league.
I'm the only guy playing with a Wild Animal right now, anyway. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 06:45 PM
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Maybe it's time we try to get this issue into the Q&A or get a line of text added to the rule stating that a block must be done on a blitz or that a block does not have to be made.
Maybe Galak will show up and make note of it! |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 06:51 PM
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it's been discussed at length here and on other boards. The block is an optional part of a blitz action. Just as the Pass is an optional part of a Pass Action and a Foul is an optional part of a foul action. Heck, even movement is an optional part of the Move action.
I'm a too lazy and sick right now to look up previous threads on it, but they are out there.. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 07:22 PM
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Not actually doing the block seems to go against the intent of the Wild Animal rule. I would hope an official Q&A will fix this one day.
If someone did this while playing against me, I would make fun of them every turn thereafter. This is also a "valid tactic".  |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2006 - 08:56 PM
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It is a beardy move to do it with a wild animal, but I don't think the rule should be changed to require all blitzes to throw the block.
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I have a risky move to get to the blitz but my player has dodge. there are two dodge rolls before I can throw the block, I fail the first dodge and have to use my dodge skill on that. I no longer want to risk the second dodge so I end my blitz action there without throwing the block.
IMO that is not beardy, its only an issue when Wild animal is involved.
In past editons of the rules I know it was clarrified that you did not have to throw the block, not sure if anything has been said about the issue in 5.0 though. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2006 - 03:55 AM
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| As the former ANSWER_MOD on the GW BB forum, I can confirm that a Block doesn't NOT have to be thrown as part of a Blitz action, and that the move used in the original post is completely legal - wheter you think it smells of cheese is entirely up to the individual. |
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