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Post subject: Pushing players off field  PostPosted: May 07, 2003 - 06:27 AM



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I was wondering if there was any official ruling on the matter that if a player pushes another player off field and the crowd causes a casualty to the player pushed off, does that count as a casualty that is worth 2 SPPs or not. The LRB simply says : "If a player kills, seriously injures, or badly hurts an opposing player then they earn 2 Star Player points. The points are only earned if the player blocks an opponent or is blocked by an opponent himself. Casualties inflicted in any other way do not count for Star Player points."

Pushing a player off field is after all always a result of a block. I know it says that "if a player" but I was just wondering if there was any official ruling on this matter.

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My understanding is that no SPP's are gained.

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Correct...no casualty points are gained and no skills can be used to modify the armor or injury rolls.

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However it does count for end of game FF roll modified by casualties caused.

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Actually, that's in the hotlist to go under review by the BRRC. A lot of players (including myself) think that only casualties that gave SPP's should count for the FF modification rolls.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: May 07, 2003 - 01:14 PM
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yeeeaaaah way to go skummy!!!

only cas caused by the team, not the rest

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Nah, all cas I "cause" coount. Blocks, pushes into crowd, fouls.

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(All comments below should be prefaced by the warning that I am completely pissed at the moment.)

How about when a Trollslayer trips and kills himself? Should you get the fan credit for that?

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In my opinion the Player that blocks another player and pushes the opponent off the field (and causes a CAS) should gain a CAS for this as it was caused by a block.
 
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How about when a Trollslayer trips and kills himself? Should you get the fan credit for that?


I hope you feel better now, for I ...

..believe that these cas shoould also go into the count for ff etc! Shocked

Your opponent kind of 'forced' you to make your slayer slip (why would you have done this then if you could have avoided it?). The crowd will appreciate these cas as well since it was good team effort to make you risk that, even if no SPP are earned. Laughing

Another example: a player in scoring position gets blitzed and the rsult is a pushback. Next turn the player tries to dodge for the TD and fails, causing a cas. The fans will LOVE that, although no SPP for anyone... Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post subject:   PostPosted: May 08, 2003 - 03:07 AM
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thats true sput.

the block didn't do it, the crowd did (for Wadedidit)

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Post subject:   PostPosted: May 08, 2003 - 04:27 AM



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True, it was the crowd that did it, but it was the blocking player that put him there so surely some credit is due?

As the LRB currently reads only injuries resulting from blocks are casualties, and only casualties give a bonus to FF rolls. That 'sprinting' Trollslayer is just an injury and doesn't count towards you casualty number.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: May 08, 2003 - 07:01 AM



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In our league we currently count it for FF purposes.

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I was quite loaded last night. The bar down the street from work had a dollar beer night, and I was a bit too wobbly to drive home after. Posting here and on TBB was a way to get sober, though I felt obligated to give warning that my advice might not be 100%. Looking back, I can see how the "pissed" part could be taken either way... Embarassed

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